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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:16 PM Jan 2014

11-year-old girl's cupcake business shut down by Madison County officials

After-school jobs are tougher to keep, apparently, than they used to be.

On Sunday, a Belleville News-Democrat story featured 11-year-old Chloe Stirling of Troy, Ill., a sixth-grader at Triad Middle School who makes about $200 a month selling cupcakes.

On Monday, the long arm of the law — in this case, the Madison County Health Department — put an end to that.

“They called and said they were shutting us down,” Chloe’s mother, Heather Stirling, told the Post-Dispatch.

Furthermore, Heather Stirling said the officials told her that for Chloe to continue selling cupcakes, the family would have to “buy a bakery or build her a kitchen separate from the one we have.”

...

Heather Stirling said she wasn’t looking for special consideration for her daughter and would be willing to get the necessary licenses and permits to run a business.

“But a separate kitchen? Who can do that?” Heather Stirling said.

http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/columns/joe-holleman/year-old-girl-s-cupcake-business-shut-down-by-madison/article_bc209e8a-bb8f-5b6f-b6cc-09852ad2e458.html

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11-year-old girl's cupcake business shut down by Madison County officials (Original Post) The Straight Story Jan 2014 OP
Ordinarily I would think this was overreach YarnAddict Jan 2014 #1
She's conducting a business and should play by the health and safety rules. Shrike47 Jan 2014 #2
get thee to a farmer's market JCMach1 Jan 2014 #3
Depends on local ordinances supernova Jan 2014 #4
As it should be. There is a public health risk involved. Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #5
But her cupcakes only have cute, little germs! FSogol Jan 2014 #7
California relaxed the home baking biz laws last year. displacedtexan Jan 2014 #6
Stupid rule. Buying a bakery, really? LittleBlue Jan 2014 #8
Would you eat dinner at an uninspected restaurant? Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #11
You can inspect someone's kitchen LittleBlue Jan 2014 #12
Anecdote is not data. Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #14
You ignored what I said, which is just a statement of fact LittleBlue Jan 2014 #15
Yeah, I can see the logic of this. She is basically running a business. We would expect RKP5637 Jan 2014 #9
Tell ya what.. sendero Jan 2014 #10
Bingo! 1000words Jan 2014 #17
Oh come on, you know where this one is going, fucking mistletoe all over again Fumesucker Jan 2014 #13
And if one of her custmers gets food poisioning gerogie2 Jan 2014 #16
Sensationalistic news. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #18

supernova

(39,345 posts)
4. Depends on local ordinances
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:25 PM
Jan 2014

But the County health Dept is correct about sanitary conditions and protecting public health. We don't get sick in our own kitchens because we are familiar with our own germs. But when you bring everybody else's germs together....

Here, with some modifications, you can use your existing kitchen for low risk foods like cupcakes. That means using nonporous surfaces, separate fridges and storage areas from your personal food and prep areas. I guess where they are, you can't do that.

And everybody has to take ServSafe, the ARA course outlining federal safety standards for preparing and serving food.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
5. As it should be. There is a public health risk involved.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:25 PM
Jan 2014

Commercial baking in an uninspected facility is an illegal enterprise, matters not how old you are.


displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
6. California relaxed the home baking biz laws last year.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:28 PM
Jan 2014

You get the local biz licenses, and an inspector makes sure your kitchen area meets standards. And they'll teach you how to keep your kitchen area clean.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
12. You can inspect someone's kitchen
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:01 PM
Jan 2014

The only incident of food poisoning in my entire life came from a chain restaurant which no doubt has their kitchens regularly inspected.

Telling someone to buy a new kitchen/bakery is ludicrous and doesn't change the level of food safety at all.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
15. You ignored what I said, which is just a statement of fact
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:38 PM
Jan 2014

Merely buying a separate kitchen doesn't ensure anything. It's about the practices one uses in the kitchen, keeping food warm or cooled, and cooking it thoroughly.

RKP5637

(67,101 posts)
9. Yeah, I can see the logic of this. She is basically running a business. We would expect
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:38 PM
Jan 2014

a business selling for profit to the public to follow established health code rules, so to me at least, this falls under those guidelines. Suppose the age was 56 or whatever.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
10. Tell ya what..
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:43 PM
Jan 2014

.... I bet I could walk into her kitchen and create a clean/sanitary assessment as a baseline.

Then I bet I could walk into 20 local restaurant kitchens and most of them would not even meet that baseline.

I think people who want to do this should be able to make some sort of disclosure "baked at my home" and let the consumer decide. It's not like the people buying these cupcakes think they are being baked at a Hostess bakery.

It's idiocy.

 

1000words

(7,051 posts)
17. Bingo!
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:45 AM
Jan 2014

These regulations and laws are by design. And it is not to encourage small business enterprise.

 

gerogie2

(450 posts)
16. And if one of her custmers gets food poisioning
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:42 AM
Jan 2014

People would be crying, "How could the State allow a 11 yr old girl the ability to sell food?"
The reason you have to have a separate kitchen is because of the danger of bacteria. Before these rules were made many people became sick from vendors selling home made food on the streets.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
18. Sensationalistic news.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:45 AM
Jan 2014

Sensationalist in the way that we're supposed to get in an uproar over this because it's an 11 year old girl. But in reality, I'm siding with the health department.

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