Amanda Knox should surrender to Italian authorities, The EVIDENCE Is Clear Enough- SHE DID IT.
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http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/The_EvidenceHer ex bf was picked up byauthorities today, and released with just confiscation of his passport and drivers license.....why the American media is all so very upset with the Italian justice system and in favor of this twice convicted murderess is beyond me. And I notice that the there is ZERO American outrage over the co-accused Raffaele Sollecito who has gone exactly the same route through the Italian justice system.
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"The family's lawyer (of the murder victim), Francesca Maresca, said: "I hope this is justice for Meredith and for her family."
Raffaele Sollecito Picked Up Near Italian Border After Guilty Verdict, Forced To Surrender Passport
Raffaele Sollecito, convicted with former lover Amanda Knox of the grisly murder of a British student, has been picked up by police near the Italian border and has surrendered his passport.
Police tracked him to a hotel in Venzone, a town in northeast Italy near the Austrian and Slovenian borders, just hours after an appeal court in Florence sentenced him to 25 years in prison, a source at the police station in the nearby city of Udine told AFP.
"Police went to find him in his hotel and he followed them willingly" back to the police station, the source said.
"He is still there now. He is not under arrest. He has to hand over his passport, which can be a lengthy process," he added.
"The Florence verdict is the latest development in more than six years of legal battles which have seen the former lovers convicted in 2009, then acquitted on appeal in 2011 and then, last year, refused a definitive acquittal by the Court of Cassation, which ordered a second appeal, accusing the Perugia appeals court which had annulled the convictions of "numerous deficiencies, contradictions and manifest lack of logic".
There was no "second trial" or "double jeopardy".
"The Florence court began hearing the second appeal in late September. There, prosecutors argued that Knox and Sollecito carried out the murder alongside Rudy Guede, a young man from Ivory Coast who was convicted of the killing and is serving a 16-year sentence following a fast-track trial."
As is standard practice in Italy, the Florence court gave no explanation for its verdict and now has up to 90 days to publish its reasoning.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/31/raffaele-sollecito-passport_n_4701453.html?utm_hp_ref=canada&ir=Canada
"The family's lawyer (of the murder victim), Francesca Maresca, said: "I hope this is justice for Meredith and for her family."
The body of Kercher, a 21-year-old Leeds University student from Coulsdon, Surrey, was found in the bedroom of her shared flat in Perugia on the morning of 2 November 2007. She had been in the first weeks of an Erasmus year in the Umbrian hilltop town.
After the verdict, Knox – whose original sentence was for 26 years – issued a fiercely critical statement, attacking the Italian justice system and saying she had "expected better".
THIS is Knox's teary explanation in 2011: "I did not kill Meredith Kercher, I’m so sorry she’s dead, I’m so sad for her family, I was with Raf all night and I am angry as heck with Rudy Guede who killed her. She should have had some honest indignation about that, if she believes Guede is the real killer who has caused Meredith’s death but also Amanda’s own four year ordeal. Wouldn’t you blame the person who had thrown you in prison for a crime you hadn’t committed? Instead, she chalks it up to the police and their betrayal of her kind help.
If she were innocent, she would rage against Guede. It’s the feelings Amanda doesn’t have that speak the loudest. Same with Raffaele."
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Harken To The EVIDENCE, and the admissible EVIDENCE only, shall we?:
The Evidence of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito's Involvement in the Murder of Meredith Kercher
* More Than One Person Attacked the murder victim Meredith Kercher. From the time of Rudy Guede's final sentencing,[1] the Court has accepted that more than one person attacked Meredith Kercher, with an unusually strong report that pointed towards Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito as the other attackers. Meredith was dressed, awake, and standing for the attack, yet did not defend herself. Unusually, she had no defensive wounds but for three tiny (0.24 inch or 6 mm) cuts on her hand[2], indicating an inability to express normal reflexes, flinch from the small cuts to her neck, or attempt to block the incoming blows with her hands or forearms. Indeed, in addition to wounds which fit two different knife profiles[3], she suffered numerous compression or restraint bruises to her elbows, wrists, and face. At the trial, consultants for Knox and Sollecito each proposed a single-attacker scenario but could not agree whether this lone wolf had attacked from the front (Torre, Amanda's consultant) or from behind (Introna, Raffaele's consultant).[4] At the appeal, under Judge Hellmann, Sollecito's defense team introduced two witnesses to testify first, that Guede had acted with two people other than Knox and Sollecito, and second, that two people excluding Guede had carried out the attack after mistakenly entering the home. The Supreme Court faulted Judge Hellmann for ignoring their sentence of Guede and supporting the single-wolf theory, which they found unsupported by the facts. They direct the new Appeals Court in Florence to see what evidence ties Rudy Guede together with Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito in the cottage at the same time.
* Someone RETURNED To Move Meredith. As is detailed by Judge Micheli (who convicted Guede for his part and committed Knox and Sollecito to trial to answer for the evidence of theirs) Meredith's body was discovered in a position and location different from that in which she died, judging by the lividity reported by the medical examiner and an indentation in her shoulder of a bra strap (with a corresponding impression on the floor). She had died and rested on her shoulder to the right of the room, wearing her bra, and was moved to center of the room and her bra discarded at her feet, soaked through but nowhere near any blood. He notes that the blood droplets on the cups show she was wearing the bra while still breathing, but her chest, which the bra had been covering, remained clean, indicating no breaths were being drawn when or after the bra was removed.
* The bra clasp, cut or torn off from the bra the victim was wearing and originally hidden under the victim, had Raffaele's DNA on the hooks. No plausible argument for contamination was successfully made. Stefano Conti, the independent reviewer who testified to this point, could only suppose that "anything is possible." The Supreme Court strongly rejected that finding, and Judge Hellmann's acceptance of it, stating that the contamination must be proven likely, and not merely presented as a hypothetical possibility.
*** The knife recovered at Sollecito's apartment contained the victim and Amanda Knox's DNA.* In her court testimony Carla Vecchiotti, one of the pair of independent experts who reviewed the DNA evidence at the first appeal, as well as forensic scientists from the Scientific Police, ruled out contamination in the laboratory with respect to the knife, owing to the six-day interval since testing items related to the Kercher case. When confronted with the knife DNA result in 2007, Raffaele responded with a fabricated story about accidentally pricking Meredith's hand while they were cooking together. Meredith had never been to his flat, and they had never cooked together.[5] The Supreme Court ruled the Scientific Police's findings must stand, absent any new proof. Another trace containing human DNA was found on the blade of the knife [6] by the independent reviewers, Stefano Conti and Carla Vecchiotti, who argued the trace was too minute too test, even though renowned forensic expert Professor Novelli argued that newer, more sensitive tests would be quite able to successfully test the sample. This test was performed in October 2013 and found to be Knox's DNA.
* A bare footprint made in the victim's blood was discovered on the mat in the bathroom. Rudy's bloody shoe prints lead from Meredith's room directly down the hall and out the front door. The bathroom print, which could not have been made by Rudy Guede, is highly compatible with Raffaele Sollecito's right foot. His defense expert presented a crudely altered footprint diagram in the Massei court, to try to prove it couldn't be his client's, but the judge ruled it was more compatible with Raffaele, and completely ruled out that it could have been Rudy's.
*** Knox's DNA was found mixed with the victim's blood in the room where the burglary was staged, and in the bathroom they shared; some of this blood was Amanda's. Amanda testified that the bathroom was clean the day before the murder.
* Footprints compatible with Knox and Sollecito's, and made in the victim's blood, were discovered when the forensic investigators tested the crime scene with luminol.
*** The burglary was staged, and there is no one other than Knox and Sollecito who would have any motivation to alter the crime scene that way. Broken glass had fallen on top of the scattered objects, meaning the window was broken after the ransacking, and Luminol revealed the presence of two traces of the victim's blood on the floor, showing conclusively that whomever had tracked it in had done so after the girl was dead. Raffaele knew nothing had been stolen in the course of this supposed burglary, assuring the 112 (911) operator of this fact well before the occupant of the room had come home and verified it for herself.[7][8]
***** Amanda Knox INTENTIONALLY and REPEATEDLY lied to Italian police to discourage them from considering Meredith's locked door suspicious. In her email home Amanda relates a scene of rising panic as she and Raffaele shout for Meredith, climb the balcony to try to see in her window, and Raffaele attempts to force the door open, but only splinters the frame. She says it was then they decided to call the cops. Despite all this concern, they did not mention the door, or their worries about Meredith, to the communications police who arrived unexpectedly to return Meredith's discarded cellphones. Filomena and her friends arrived shortly thereafter, and it was Filomena who said that it was not Meredith's habit to lock her door. Amanda falsely offered that this was not true: Meredith had locked it before, even to take a shower. The Supreme Court rules this is in itself proof of an attempt to prevent the discovery of the body, with all the implications that has for her guilt.
* Knox and Sollecito's alibis are contradicted by each other, by physical evidence and by witness testimony. While this does not directly implicate them in the murder, they have clearly lied about what they did on the night of the murder and the following morning. It is inconceivable that they would risk lying about their activities if they were not involved in Meredith's murder. It is one thing to claim they cannot remember due to the influence of drugs. It is another to knowingly lie. The recent ruling confirms that they lied repeatedly.
* Raffaele withdrew support for Knox's alibi, claiming that he lied at her request. He elected to not testify, and he refused to confirm that Knox was with him the night of the murder, for the entire trial. Confronted with the news that Raffaele had ceased to support her alibi, Knox quickly changed her story, placing herself at the cottage and falsely accusing an innocent man of committing the deed.
* Amanda Knox's false accusation of her boss Patrick Lumumba. The appeals court has been directed by the Supreme Court to seriously consider this as yet more evidence of her guilt.
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/The_Evidence
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Enough to convict? PLENTY.
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That is all.
or when it's your news channel of choice. 
Well, there goes your credibility, except, with this thread, you had none. 
Then Knox is obviously guilty of slandering Lumumba and the cops for her claim that she was hit... right? seeing as he's so honourable?
I suspect Hellman was bought off, and he had no business hearing that appeal as he was a business judge inexperienced in criminal matters.
Knox did defend herself, her lies defending herself were partially what got her convicted and Sollecito wouldn't testify as was his right not to.
Lol, the pro Knox cult still peddling that breadcrumbs chestnut?
He even said at the start of the appeal that the only thing anyone knew for certain was that Meredith had been murdered, which was utter rubbish as both defendants had already been convicted.
Yes there was (and is) lots of evidence against both defendants, hence the reason the Galati appeal was successful and Hellman's ruling annulled. This means that citing Hellman is actually meaningless.
No the entire house was the crime scene with five samples of Knox's dna mixed in with Meredith's blood in three separate areas of the house including Filomena Romanelli's bedroom where the staged burglary (which Knox was also convicted of) took place.
No it wasn't meaningless as Knox had testified that the bathroom was clean the day before. Which means that the blood got there due to Meredith's murder. Which means that in order for Knox's dna to mix with Meredith's blood innocuously, Meredith's blood would have had to have spilled/fallen/spattered in the exact precise same areas of the house where Knox's dna already was and sorry, I'm not buying that.
To clarify, investigating a crime scene would be "A ridiculous waste of time" for you?
No I'm actually informed about this case and I'm not the one making flalse statements that there's "no evidence" or that the crime scene was only Meredith's bedroom or that Mignini was a whacky Satanic conspiracy theorist, you are.
And if their supporters have to continuously make false statements, well, that says it all about their innocence and about the strength of the case against them, doesn't it?
And the dna evidence used to convict Guede lay in the same sealed crime area for the same amount of time as the bra clasp which convicted Sollecito. yet all the dna evidence against Guede is totally spot on, textbook correct, but the dna against Knox & Sollecito is suspect? Really?
Yes Guede would have gotten that fast track trial, as would you or I if we ever were up on trial in Italy as yet again anyone can choose for a fast track trial in Italy. Look it up.
Yes they did as again Guede was tried Separately in his fast track trial which again, Knox & Solelcito could have availed of only they didn't, so it's a it rich complaining about such things now.
No, she was treated more fairly than she would have been in the US as I doubt she would have been even given an appeal based non the strength of the case against her. But in Italy her appeal was automatic.
Again, Knox's supporters attack one of the prosecutors, the country of Italy, the victim's family, an entire judicial system and everything else they can think of to distract attention away from the abundance of evidence against her.
Again, such tactics says it all about their innocence.
Now if you're so sure that this is such a miscarriage of justice, then you've nothing to worry about as they're STILL allowed a final appeal, which is sure to exonerate them as the case is of course so weak against them. So everything will work out fine.
Court of cassation awaits, so I reckon we'll just have to wait and see what happens won't we? Personally, I reckon they're screwed, but again we'll see who's right come their appeal
There's no evidence that places Guede in Romanelli's bedroom either where her supporters insist he climbed a 13.5 foot wall (rather than avail of five easier access points) after hurling a big rock through the upstairs window, despite Romanelli testifying that her shutters had been closed.
Now can you address this discrepancy? If "no evidence" of Knox in the "murder room" equates to her innocence, then surely no evidence of Guede in the "Burglary room" equates to him being innocent? You can't have it both ways, sorry.
How s someone who agrees with the Italian court's verdict a "hater"? Who do they hate and why? How are those showing sympathy for the victim as opposed to the convicted felon a "hater"?
Again it intimates a very weak argument from the Knox cult.
Again there's boatloads of evidence against both and it's her supporters who are engaging in the smoke and mirrors approach with their baseless attacks on anyone who disagrees with Knox's innocence as well as espousing whacky conspiracy theories that she was railroaded or the victim of "confirmation bias" or whatever other baseless shit they burble ad nauseaum.
My apologies but if it wasn't under that particular blog entry then it was under other entries and anyone can simply read her creepy blog to find out for themselves.
No as Meredith's convicted murderer, it was grossly tasteless & offensive for Knox to have any link involving Meredith in her lblog, and for someone who claims that Meredith was her "dear friend" (in sharp contrast to her "shit happens" comment to go with her "at the end of the day I only knew her for a few weeks" comment. Knox's problem is she can't even remember her own contradictory statements) she sure had no problem allowing attacks on Meredith & bher family non her own blog.
And who are you to say they were friends? Again, you're going on the word of a twice convicted sex killer & thrice convicted slanderer. Knox's own flatmates testified that she and Meredith didn't really get on and there were tensions between them.
I'll take court testimony over a convicted killer's and slanderer's lies thanks.
So you're losing patience with the victim's family too huh? And it's okay to attack them because they stubbornly agree with a court of law's verdict rather than Amanda Knox or Steve Moore or whatever other hack Knox's cult peddles? Are you serious here? And since when are the Kercher family obliged to go by your level of patience? Your comments are very insensitive to say the very least.
Knox has been convicted, allowed an appeal and convicted again during a retrial. She is currently regarded by the Italian court as being provisionally guilty. Therefore the onus is upon Knox's cult to disprove the evidence against her and again, citing sources such
as Chrsi Halkides/Greg Hampikian (The sciency guys), John Douglas (the law & order guy) or Frank Sfarzo (the batshit nuts profiteer guy) and expecting the Kercher family to go along with this crap is completely arrogant at best. After reading your comment, I can only imagine what your thoughts on rape victims are btw, especially those who dress "provocatively".
Yes and she only put out her self serving statement after arrogantly demanding that the Kercher's themselves personally contact her and only after she received a backlash over this and if you've read her disturbing blog then you should be well aware of this.
After reading all the relevant reports, do you think she'll be exonerated and her conviction quashed come her final appeal?
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What lies have I told? Only one lying here is you. You're the one who's lying that there's no evidence against them (there's lots), that Mignini was a Satanic conspiracy theorist (he isn't), that he "was up to his eyeballs in the Monster of Florence" case (he wasn't & didn't even investigate that case), that Knox's trial was unfair (it wasn't) and that the crime scene consisted solely of Meredith's bedroom. (it didn't.)
Again, the fact that their supporters have to resort to lies rather than try and rationally (as opposed to engaging in silly conspiracy theories) disprove the hard & circumstantial evidence against them says it all about their innocence.
As for drivel, are you serious with this comment? This coming from the guy who appears to think that the site of wikipedia is actually involved in a conspiracy, apparently in conjunction with the Italian judiciary to deliberately cover up information regarding K & S's "innocence" (for reasons we can only imagine) as Wikipedia is apparently "controlled by haters"? Please.
Response to pnwmom (Reply #250)
As I said, Hellman's ruling was anulled and the fact that you have to keep citing him as if his verdict actually means anything only highlights the amount of straw clutching the Knox cult have to engage in.
Also, she wasn't found inncoent, her conviction was provisionally overturned until her new trial, which Hellman's ruling allowed, so yeah- it pretty much was a continuous trial or at least part of the same process.
yes I can for the sake of brevity as I know you're knowledgeable about this case (hence the reason I pointed out how you're flat out lying as opposed to harbouring a genuine misconception.)
My point was that three courts as part of the same overall judicial process upheld her callunnia charge and was also to highlight your double standard regarding Hellman's ruling- totally awesome provisionally overturning Knox's conviction but totally mistaken upholding her callunnia charge, despite you opining that he was the one judge who got it right.
And I'm not surpised you wouldn't read any more, no way could you counterpoint to any of the points raised, so chose to run away instead and your concession is duly noted, and the reason you're running away is because Knox's account simply doesn't hold up to objective scrutiny. Just make sure you don't trip up over that tail between your legs.
oh and you also lied about reading the nencini report as translated by Cheli as his is just a counterpoint to how much he thinks it sucks, pro Knox acolyte that he is.
You also never answered my question. You think their conviction will be quashed, seeing as the case against them is so clearly flawed? Y/n??
Now iof you don't wish to continue the discussion then fair enough. But don't expect to be taken at all seriously if you have to resort to easily refuted lies in order to back up what laughably passes for your points.
Amanda Knox- guilty as sin and sure to be extradited after her doomed appeal.
Response to pnwmom (Reply #249)
Anne Coulter columns ? Nancy disGrace ?
You do know that the prosecutor at the time was under indictment for fabricating and withholding evidence from other cases, right? You do know that the original statement of Amanda's was thrown out by the appeals judge because of police misconduct, right?
You do know that every theory put forth by the prosecution is without a shred of evidence, right?
^^^^That's the prosecution team.
I wonder though if you could point out to me the section of Italian law which prohibits being "a party girl and sex fiend extraordinaire".
If you do happen to find it be aware you are going to give Silvio Berlusconi a permanent case of sad face.
Response to pnwmom (Reply #73)
But thanks for playing, we have some nice parting gifts for you
But this asshole saw a portal to hell!
Of course it was 2 different trials, the prosecutor presented a whole different theory for the crime different from the last trial, with, I may add, no fucking proof at all, no physical or forensic evidence that she was involved at all.
Unflushed shit in a toilet? Really? That's the best the prosecution could come up with?
she was railroaded, no prosecutor in this country would have ever presented this case in court, it was riddled with errors, police misconduct, prosecutorial misconduct, the original prosecutor was under indictment for falsifying and withholding evidence from other cases, he was busted for bugging journalists, etc., and you want to believe this was a fair trial?
I hope the DoJ or the State Dept. tells Italy to go pound sand up their ass if they ever request extradition.
the prosecution totally changed the theory of the murder to unflushed shit in a toilet that prompted Amanda and her BF to murder the victim.
How fucking stupid is that? And you defend this as a fair trial?
This whole sham of a trial was corrupted from the beginning by the corrupt cops and the corrupt prosecutor.
You're a genius!!!
She's a sex fiend? Really? Or maybe.....She's a WITCH!!!!
(cue the Monty Python clip)
geologists for not predicting an earthquake?
Real fair Italian justice system you're defending there fred.
he's been locked out of his own thread.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024420456#post22
Seeing as you're so certain, you've nothing to worry about, have you?
Not meant literally.
What I meant was though is that you seem to think there's no way that Knox will be extradited. I disagree. We'll see who's proven right.
If you think it does, then I reckon you're in for a nasty shock should Knox's conviction be upheld and an extradition request made by Italy.
A suspect from the US may not be extradited to Italy provided they've already been convicted/acquitted of the same crime in the requested nation...which would be the US. Knox has never even been charged with Meredith's murder n the US, so that's that settled. You're harbouring a misconception in this regard and again, you're in for a rude awakening should that request be made by Italy.
But again we'll just have to wait & see. If you're correct then everything will work out awesome for you and you'll have no worries.
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