HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » Sweet! "Coca Cola-I...

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 01:35 AM

Sweet! "Coca Cola-It's Beautiful-Behind the Scenes"



72 replies, 5020 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 72 replies Author Time Post
Reply Sweet! "Coca Cola-It's Beautiful-Behind the Scenes" (Original post)
Cha Feb 2014 OP
countryjake Feb 2014 #1
Cha Feb 2014 #4
TlalocW Feb 2014 #2
freshwest Feb 2014 #7
steve2470 Feb 2014 #3
Cha Feb 2014 #6
Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #5
Cha Feb 2014 #9
rufus dog Feb 2014 #11
Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #12
rufus dog Feb 2014 #16
Cha Feb 2014 #24
joshcryer Feb 2014 #22
Generic Other Feb 2014 #35
Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #36
Generic Other Feb 2014 #49
LanternWaste Feb 2014 #70
Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #50
Marr Feb 2014 #37
Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #44
mountain grammy Feb 2014 #46
demwing Feb 2014 #48
Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #51
demwing Feb 2014 #52
Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #53
demwing Feb 2014 #54
Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #55
demwing Feb 2014 #56
Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #57
demwing Feb 2014 #59
Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #60
Cha Feb 2014 #63
LanternWaste Feb 2014 #68
Cha Feb 2014 #8
Cha Feb 2014 #10
Cha Feb 2014 #13
joshcryer Feb 2014 #14
Cha Feb 2014 #17
joshcryer Feb 2014 #18
Cha Feb 2014 #21
Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #15
Cha Feb 2014 #19
Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #29
Cha Feb 2014 #30
Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #31
steve2470 Feb 2014 #20
joshcryer Feb 2014 #25
steve2470 Feb 2014 #27
Cha Feb 2014 #32
Cha Feb 2014 #28
Post removed Feb 2014 #64
Cha Feb 2014 #66
alittlelark Feb 2014 #23
joshcryer Feb 2014 #26
Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #45
LiberalArkie Feb 2014 #61
SomethingFishy Feb 2014 #65
alittlelark Feb 2014 #72
Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #33
Cha Feb 2014 #34
joshcryer Feb 2014 #38
Cha Feb 2014 #62
joshcryer Feb 2014 #39
zazen Feb 2014 #40
demwing Feb 2014 #41
CanonRay Feb 2014 #42
Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #43
Gothmog Feb 2014 #47
Cha Feb 2014 #67
randr Feb 2014 #58
rdking647 Feb 2014 #69
Cha Feb 2014 #71

Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 01:46 AM

1. That's a beautiful video!

Better than the commercial.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to countryjake (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 02:07 AM

4. It's so Poignant, countryjake~

It's Wow! So nice they made this one too.. I found it quite by accident.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 01:47 AM

2. Time to go post this on Allan West's blog

I'm messing with them over there.

TlalocW

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TlalocW (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 02:15 AM

7. Ooooh, please give us updates on that... n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 01:53 AM

3. thank you for that, very beautiful video ! nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to steve2470 (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 02:12 AM

6. You're Welcome, steve!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 02:10 AM

5. It's amazing how a shitty company can use diversity in their commercials...

 

and everyone here falls for it.

Have we forgotten how crappy of a company Coca-Cola is? The commercial was trying to sell us sugar water full of empty calories at the tune of American capitalism, and you all love it.



Diversity is awesome, but not when it's used as a selling point for pop.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 02:30 AM

9. Thanks for Kicking the thread!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 02:53 AM

11. Conversely, that shitty company just gave a big fuck you

 

To 30 percent of the voting public, aka the Republican base. That base will continue to piss and moan, but that was just a punch to the gut and they will ponder a bit before making stupid ass racist or homophobic statements.

Coke was going to sell more sugar water one way or another, so even if you don't see it, this is a victory.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to rufus dog (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 03:00 AM

12. Yeah.

 

It's a victory for Coke.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 03:13 AM

16. Was giving Black actors leading roles on television a victory for the networks?

 

Rather than playing servants, they were teachers or government agents. This pissed off the racists so much that some stations in the South refused to air the shows.

If you can't see it fine, but I suggest you step back and look at the forest, rather than planting your face against that big ass tree.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to rufus dog (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 03:24 AM

24. Well said, rufus!

Thank you,

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 03:22 AM

22. I think it's better than Chipotle's commercial.

But then, if Coca-Cola is going to change its image, it's gotta go big. And it did. Now we need to pressure them to stop depleting aquifers around the world to sell people an unhealthy drink.

Here's Chipotle's commerical:

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 04:10 AM

35. They know how to manipulate our emotions

Transfer our favorable associations about ourselves as Americans to their product. Leni Wiesenthal could not have done better.

Minus the coke part, it would have meant a lot more.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Generic Other (Reply #35)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 04:12 AM

36. Who is Leni Wiesenthal?

Did you mean to Godwin your "argument" and mean "Leni Riefenstahl?" Curious.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #36)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 10:09 AM

49. Yes, I spelled her name wrong. Excuse me

and it is not a Godwin argument to note the similarity between two propagandist film makers. There is a very real comparison. Both film makers glorified their subjects, played on nationalist feelings, manipulated emotions with false images (the third reich and coke), created slanted dishonest messages -- one for political purposes and one to sell a product.

Coke has a long history of creating corporate propaganda. DUers are usually quick to see through such finely tuned messages. They pretend they bring us all together in some form of coke worship. They appropriate the symbols of the nationalistic state in order to deflect from the real damage its product does to our health. The company has a history of aggressive tactics the world over. See their behavior in Latin America and in other parts of the world where they engage in environmentally destructive practices, questionable labor practices, etc. Not a nice company at all. Their ad strategies are a joke.

Maybe I am immune to their brainwashing as I do not consume their poison.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #36)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 05:41 PM

70. Even curious-er... people who believe Godwin's Law to be part and parcel of critical thought

Even curious-er... people who believe Godwin's Law to be part and parcel of critical thought and rational thinking. Simplistic and meaningless internet memes seem to be as successful at branding as commercials themselves... regardless of the rationalizations made otherwise.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Generic Other (Reply #35)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 11:09 AM

50. And manipulate they did.

 

Coke doesn't care about diversity. They only care about selling their product.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 04:14 AM

37. I know-- this is blowing me away.

 

Coke is a massive company. This is just advertising. Very expensive, laser-targeted advertising. People can be so naive.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 09:34 AM

44. Do you think it's possible for people to

love the commercial but not love the product?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #44)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 09:50 AM

46. For sure! Thanks.

Nutrition for the mind, not the body. It's a beautiful message and I for one appreciate it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 10:00 AM

48. Yes, we all went and bought cokes to save diversity

 



nobody "falls for it," and you're wrong.

Diversity IS awesome, EVEN when it's used as a selling point for pop. The underlying message in the video was more powerful than any ad campaign, and it's you that has fallen for a line.

You believe that the strength of unity in diversity can be diminished by a Coca-Cola logo.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to demwing (Reply #48)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 11:11 AM

51. Do you honestly think Coke cares about diversity.

 

No. They don't.

It was used as a selling feature and it worked.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #51)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 11:15 AM

52. Who cares if they care?

 

Do their motives change the value of the message at all? No one here is suddenly excited about Coke - it's the message that matters, not the messenger. Abe Lincoln was a Republican. Does that diminish the value of the Gettysburg address?

Really! Are you saying that only good people can do good things?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to demwing (Reply #52)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 11:17 AM

53. Their message was about selling Coke.

 

Nothing more. Advertising 101: manipulate people's emotions so they buy your product.

If it was truly a message about diversity, there would NOT have been one Coke in that commercial.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #53)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 11:21 AM

54. That's YOUR opinion.

 

thanks for sharing.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to demwing (Reply #54)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 11:22 AM

55. It's not an opinion.

 

But whatever.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #55)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 11:28 AM

56. Regardless of what Coke intended

 

do you think the words of the people in the commercial were heartfelt expressions, or marketing plays. When the gay man cried, were they tears of joy, or was he just really excited about Coke's bottom line?

You'll see what you want, I guess.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to demwing (Reply #56)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 11:30 AM

57. It was a marketing ploy that played on people's emotions.

 

Again, Advertising 101: manipulate people's emotions so they buy your product.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #57)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 12:06 PM

59. Cynical much?

 

Despite your cynicism (or maybe because of it) the ad seems to have made you think about Coke much more than it did for me

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to demwing (Reply #59)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 12:28 PM

60. I am highly cynical.

 

I have no faith in the human race.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to demwing (Reply #48)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 05:09 PM

63. Good job, demwing!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 05:38 PM

68. I don't think recognizing a commercial as good or entertaining is equivalent to "failing for it".

I don't think recognizing a commercial as good or entertaining is equivalent to "failing for it". However, I imagine that pretending as such may allow one the pretense of more-clever-than-thou for at least one more day.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 02:24 AM

8. Kick~

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 02:40 AM

10. thanks for recs, kiddos!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 03:04 AM

13. thanks for the rec!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 03:11 AM

14. This video is far more touching, because it shows the problems.

As well as the way Americans overcome those problems.

That's what being an American is about.

America is one of the most progressive states on the planet whether the so called liberals here want to accept it or not.

We'll have gay marriage legalized soon, marijuana legalized possibly sooner, single payer health care a little bit later. Then we'll get a living wage. At that point the so called liberals or progressives will be hard pressed to find something to complain about. Perhaps the security state. But if you go by the UK, probably not, since its security state (the most survalling state on the planet) is mostly ignored.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to joshcryer (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 03:14 AM

17. Exactly, joshcryer~

Stated beautifully

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cha (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 03:16 AM

18. Thanks so much for sharing it Cha!

I actually commented halfway through (when the problems and overcoming them was mentioned, like the gay guys being shunned and the white guy marrying the non-white lady was shunned). I couldn't help but tear up by the end. Wonderful video. Watching it again right now.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to joshcryer (Reply #18)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 03:20 AM

21. You're Welcome, Josh!

I was totally tearing up..

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 03:12 AM

15. Worth recommending.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 03:16 AM

19. It's precious.. who

knew Coke had it in them?!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cha (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 03:36 AM

29. I knew. :)

I had to recommend and comment, because some of the other comments are really irritating.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #29)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 03:37 AM

30. Glad you did, Behind the Aegis!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cha (Reply #30)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 03:39 AM

31. What can I say, "Behind the Aegis" has a soft spot for "Behind the Scenes!"

I bet he is cute!

heehee

(Don't tell my partner! )

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 03:19 AM

20. Thanks again for sharing this

Yeah yeah, evil Coca Cola, OF COURSE they did it for profits ultimately. However, the message in this video and the Super Bowl commercial hopefully will live on in the hearts of Americans. The commercial was a trillion times better than some insipid beach party kind of commercial. If they make an extra penny of profit from the commercial, cool. I'm NOT buying any Coke products just because of the commercial. Forest and trees, nuff said.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to steve2470 (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 03:29 AM

25. Remember, Cherios changed their recipe thanks to outside pressure.

They removed GMOs from their product line. I think we can possibly get Coca-Cola to change theirs, too. Go back to the sugar cane formula. Hell, it could even open relations back up with Cuba if it's done right.

I of course don't drink soda that much at all, and this commercial didn't make me want to, but it's a touching commercial.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to joshcryer (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 03:30 AM

27. agreed ! nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to joshcryer (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 03:43 AM

32. That was incredible that Cheerios removed

[strike]GMO[/strike] from their products.. And, HUGE! I know [strike]GMO[/strike] was furious because of reports I've heard on the Island here about how upset they get when "organic" is mentioned. They want the world.. but, some of the world isn't cooperating.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to steve2470 (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 03:34 AM

28. You're Welcome, steve~ It's the message of the Ad and the Story

Behind the Scenes that are Important, imv.

I haven't had a coke or any soda for a long time but somebody needed to get a beautiful statement out on diversity to the Nation and what better time than the Super Bowl?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cha (Reply #28)


Response to Post removed (Reply #64)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 05:28 PM

66. Hey rusto..

Poor things to think that.. sooo delusional!

Donna~

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 03:23 AM

23. Coke afficianodo here

Loved it in the early 80's.... pre- HFCS

Ur ads are cute, but your product is shit.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to alittlelark (Reply #23)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 03:30 AM

26. See my post #25.

We got an opportunity here to get sugar cane back into the recipe!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to alittlelark (Reply #23)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 09:39 AM

45. Coke in bottles have

Last edited Mon Feb 3, 2014, 01:48 PM - Edit history (1)

have real sugar, not HFSC. I'm not a soda drinker but my husband is and he prefers Coke and I know he prefers the ones in the bottles. I know they manufacture bottled Coke in Mexico and import it into the states. If I can't find it in the regular grocery stores, I can go to one of the grocery stores that specialize in Mexican food ingredients and find it there. A lot of Mexican food restaurants around here (Central California) offer it as well.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #45)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 12:57 PM

61. Most of the Kroger stores in Arkansas have the Mexican Coke. I have found it at Family Dollar also

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #61)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 05:22 PM

65. Yup almost all the Kroeger's have them.. sometimes you have to look in

the ethnic foods section as they are imported from Mexico. I hate Coke, except for those glass bottles. They are the way that shit is supposed to taste.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #45)

Tue Feb 4, 2014, 04:43 AM

72. Costco carries it !!!

Hit Costco every 2-3 weeks.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 03:45 AM

33. That has to be just about the coolest thing I've seen in a L-O-N-G time! n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #33)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 03:50 AM

34. It blew me away

Tarheel~ The America we love~

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cha (Reply #34)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 06:22 AM

38. I know I said it, but it drove me to tears.

The issues those of unique situations face in this country are still challenging, but they face them, and that's what makes them special. And fortunately as they faced them they became accepted even more, which is what it's about.

I'll never forget that "What Would You Do" with the gay couple:



That's America.

Here's another one in Texas, of all places, where a "gay couple" is defended by everyday Texan's:

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to joshcryer (Reply #38)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 05:06 PM

62. Thank you for the Videos, Josh!

I saw the first one and will have to come back for the second. It's so heartwarming to see people standing up for love in the face of outspoken bigotry.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 07:12 AM

39. I can't believe I posted throughout this thread but didn't REC it!

So here's my late REC! Amazing video. Better than than the original by far.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 07:36 AM

40. identity politics isn't as brave as taking on income inequality

And it whitewashes their labor and environmental rights abuses in South America.

There's also a subtle Horatio Alger "if I only work hard enough and get enough education I can have the American dream" message, which makes systemic economic privilege and racism more difficult to combat.

Having said that, I do believe the perfect is the enemy of the good. First, that Coca Cola could and would make a commercial like this is a testament to how hard activists have worked before them to make these conversations acceptable enough to 50% of the population that Coke would risk pissing off the other half.

Second, they're certainly going in the right direction, and even though it's sad that our national conversation is led by 60 minute commercials instead of widespread literacy you even saw with dirt farmers in the 19th century, it's an improvement and an effort at redemption. And I gotta appreciate that. And the obvious sincerity of the people in the commercial.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 08:10 AM

41. k & r for later viewing. / nt

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 09:20 AM

42. We need more media like this

It's a totally positive message. Those reacting negatively point out exactly the hate filled racism and xenophobia we're up against from the right wing. It's like the conservatives drop their human masks for a moment to show the monsters that lie below.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 09:28 AM

43. That was great!

K & R

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 09:53 AM

47. Wow

This is great. Thanks for shRing

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Gothmog (Reply #47)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 05:31 PM

67. You're Welcome, Goth

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 11:42 AM

58. Our country needs a repatriotation movement

A new sense of what being an American means, a new definition of our purpose, and open arms to each other as fellow travelers through this immense universe.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 05:38 PM

69. i wonder if teh knucle draggers are aware...

america the beautiful was written by a lesbian who left the GOP over their increasing xenophobia

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to rdking647 (Reply #69)

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 05:41 PM

71. I doubt it.. But, I found out through

this thread, rdking!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread