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Sun Feb 16, 2014, 05:44 PM

 

Did the Gender Wars start when the Hilary Hopefuls came back

Is this what we have to look forward to all through the primary season

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Reply Did the Gender Wars start when the Hilary Hopefuls came back (Original post)
FreakinDJ Feb 2014 OP
DURHAM D Feb 2014 #1
FreakinDJ Feb 2014 #6
DURHAM D Feb 2014 #14
FreakinDJ Feb 2014 #18
DURHAM D Feb 2014 #20
FreakinDJ Feb 2014 #38
Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #24
peacebird Feb 2014 #30
NBachers Feb 2014 #54
Major Nikon Feb 2014 #59
pintobean Feb 2014 #57
Upton Feb 2014 #34
Kurska Feb 2014 #36
FreakinDJ Feb 2014 #40
Major Nikon Feb 2014 #58
opiate69 Feb 2014 #47
zabet Feb 2014 #2
sufrommich Feb 2014 #3
shenmue Feb 2014 #4
alcibiades_mystery Feb 2014 #5
theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #7
VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #8
FreakinDJ Feb 2014 #9
Evergreen Emerald Feb 2014 #10
DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #28
OKNancy Feb 2014 #11
FreakinDJ Feb 2014 #12
OKNancy Feb 2014 #13
FreakinDJ Feb 2014 #15
sufrommich Feb 2014 #19
FreakinDJ Feb 2014 #21
sufrommich Feb 2014 #22
JI7 Feb 2014 #23
boston bean Feb 2014 #31
redqueen Feb 2014 #35
BainsBane Feb 2014 #43
sufrommich Feb 2014 #16
frazzled Feb 2014 #17
FSogol Feb 2014 #27
alcibiades_mystery Feb 2014 #32
Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #48
DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #25
Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #26
LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #29
FSogol Feb 2014 #33
In_The_Wind Feb 2014 #37
FSogol Feb 2014 #39
In_The_Wind Feb 2014 #41
FSogol Feb 2014 #42
pintobean Feb 2014 #45
FSogol Feb 2014 #46
BainsBane Feb 2014 #44
Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #49
LiberalAndProud Feb 2014 #50
ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #56
SheilaT Feb 2014 #51
Beacool Feb 2014 #52
AngryAmish Feb 2014 #53
Lunacee_2013 Feb 2014 #55

Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 05:46 PM

1. Yes, it is all Hillary's fault that DU is full of

MRAers.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 05:52 PM

6. I doubt DU has any more then the general populace

 

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 06:10 PM

14. In case you haven't noticed...

the name of this website is DEMOCRATIC Underground. For that reason alone there should be ZERO MRAers.

otoh- the website owners apparently don't care that they are here thus making the name of this place a big joke.




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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #14)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 06:13 PM

18. Rather large leap of faith there

 

just as when folks around here found out many black men didn't support gay rights

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #18)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 06:17 PM

20. I have no clue what you are talking about. nt

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #20)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 08:17 PM

38. Rather clueless then

 

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 06:54 PM

24. Who are they?

 

I see frequent accusations about this apparently all-powerful "MRA" that I had never before heard about, and now I'm being told DU is full of them. Or, perchance, to you mean people who don't automatically fall in line with the radical feminist ultras? Are all those people who failed to get sufficiently upset with the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue MRAers?

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 07:03 PM

30. Sorry, what is an " mra" er?

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Response to peacebird (Reply #30)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 10:29 PM

54. I dug all the way down to the bottom of this thread, and I still don't know what an MRA'er is.

Guess I'm just not part of the 'in' crowd. *sob*

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Response to NBachers (Reply #54)

Mon Feb 17, 2014, 06:23 AM

59. No worries, neither do most of those who throw the term around

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Response to peacebird (Reply #30)

Mon Feb 17, 2014, 05:47 AM

57. Mens rights something or other.

 

Some evil group that hof discovered on on the internet and decided DU was infested with. It pretty much works like the 'paid troll' accusation. If one really pisses someone off, they're an mra paid troll.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 07:06 PM

34. I see..so anyone who disagrees with HoF is an MRA?

What about the 45 DUers who are banned from there, are they all MRAs too?

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Response to Upton (Reply #34)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 07:18 PM

36. This appears to be the definition n/t

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Response to Upton (Reply #34)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 08:18 PM

40. BINGO: "Anyone who doesn't agree"

 

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #40)

Mon Feb 17, 2014, 06:21 AM

58. That definition includes 3rd wave feminists and RAINN apparently

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Response to Upton (Reply #34)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 08:43 PM

47. I'm beginning to think...

 

They must be on somebody's payroll, getting paid a few cents for every time they post that particular anagram...

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 05:48 PM

2. Really?

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 05:48 PM

3. Rush Limbaugh couldn't have been more obvious.

Next up: " I'm just asking a question".

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 05:51 PM

4. Yeah

Some people can't take it that she's actually popular.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 05:51 PM

5. Ooooof

 

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 05:54 PM

7. Hopefully what we won't have to look forward to...

... are more OPs such as this one.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 05:55 PM

8. Who said that everyone who supports Hillary now were the same ones that railed against her

 

when Obama won the Primary? Who said they all left?

I was for Hillary Clinton BEFORE Pres. Obama BECAUSE I knew then what I still know now...she IS to the left of him and MORE Liberal than he is (a Moderate Liberal). When Obama won the Primary...I supported him.

But for now I support Hillary again...for the same reason.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #8)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 05:56 PM

9. Is she running ?

 

Last I heard she wasn't

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 05:57 PM

10. How offensive.

This is one of the ugliest things I have heard on DU.

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Response to Evergreen Emerald (Reply #10)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 07:02 PM

28. Regardless of where you stand on HRC and the "gender wars" this is a particularly ugly thread./NT

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 06:01 PM

11. I've been here since 2001 and have not

participated in any of those threads, but am a Hillary supporter.
Your post is nonsense

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 06:06 PM

12. The 08 primary season was pretty brutal here

 

Tons of newcomers devoted to Hilary claiming they would vote republican if Hilary lost

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #12)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 06:08 PM

13. Obviously I was here since I just wrote that I've been here since the beginning

I was a moderator as well.
It was a handful. The so-called gender wars have zero to do with Hillary ( spelled correctly) or people who support her.
In fact, I bet if I go look at the signature lines there will be a bunch who support other candidates.

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #13)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 06:11 PM

15. Well then who is this group refferring to "Men as Apes"

 

because that is pretty offensive

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 06:14 PM

19. At least you admit you're trolling.

Good for you.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #19)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 06:17 PM

21. A thread with 575 replies

 

might be a DU record even

So much for your assumptions

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #21)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 06:18 PM

22. Which has what to do with Hillary Clinton? nt

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 06:36 PM

23. isn't it a men's rights activist who is referring to "men as apes" ?

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Response to JI7 (Reply #23)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 07:04 PM

31. well, let's not let the truth get in the way

of a perfectly good feminist call out thread.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #31)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 07:16 PM

35. +1

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 08:29 PM

43. LOL

You didn't actually read that thread did you?

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #12)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 06:12 PM

16. I was here and there were not "tons"

of newcomers claiming they would vote republican. That's a lie. The vast,vast majority of Hilary supporters supported Obama once the primaries were over. The meme that there were ever vast numbers of PUMAs out there was the creation of Rush Limbaugh,sad to see it encouraged here.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 06:13 PM

17. No

I've been here since 2001 as well. I was not a Hillary supporter in 2008, and am not particularly so now. (Though I will most certainly vote for her if she's the candidate.)

The so-called gender wars are here because there have been a lot of issues of sexism that have come up. Or perhaps they started when all the macho libertarian male types came? (Right back at ya.)

The insulting OP is a good example why feminists need to stand up on left web sites. Let's remember that feminism came of age in response to the truly odious sexist behavior of male power power players on the radical left in the 60s. That's a fact, and a sad one.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #17)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 07:00 PM

27. Agreed and LOL at ""macho libertarian male types." In their minds only. In reality, they are the

biggest group of whiny pissants ever to infect a blogsphere.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #27)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 07:04 PM

32. ROFL

 

Zactly.



between them and the gunner shitheads (noting the massive overlap, too), I don't know which is the bigger pack of cowardly douchebags.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #27)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 08:50 PM

48. No kidding!!

 

I have noticed that many folks here who lean libertarian tend to be very sexist as well.

They're so obvious.

Whiny pissants indeed!

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 06:59 PM

25. Supporting Hillary and being opposed to DU gender wars are not mutually exclusive/nt

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 06:59 PM

26. poppy

cock

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 07:02 PM

29. WTH??

No, it has nothing to do with Hillary, but nice transparent try.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 07:05 PM

33. Dear Skinner, Can we please have the unrec button back? Thank you.

Your friend,
FSogol.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #33)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 08:11 PM

37. I almost posted a question in AtA with the same request earlier today.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #37)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 08:17 PM

39. I ask it of the admins all time. Here's Skinner's reply:

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Response to FSogol (Reply #39)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 08:25 PM

41. Ok. I understand his reasoning.

Sometimes I rec a thread because I know it will be controversial. I would unrec those.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #41)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 08:27 PM

42. Some people on DU take themselves and their opinions too seriously. When they

got unrecs, they often flew off the handle. That's why they got rid of the unrec.

I wish it was back since, I'd rather unrec the trainwrecks and move on, rather than dignify them with snarky responses and facepalms.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #42)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 08:41 PM

45. They often complained that it was an effort to silence

 

them. People with tens of thousands of posts being silenced. We see that same complaint about hidden posts now. People with tens of thousands of posts being silenced.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #45)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 08:43 PM

46. True and truly ridiculous.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 08:31 PM

44. I don't know

Do you think you can avoid making sexist comments about her and deal with the issues at hand?

It's darling how much of the context you miss. You could just ask.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 08:53 PM

50. I dunno, but my trash can is full.

Would a plea to knock it off be of any use?

I thought not.

trashing this thread now too.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #50)

Mon Feb 17, 2014, 02:19 AM

56. Me too

Ick

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 08:59 PM

51. Right. Until then everyone everywhere was totally respectful

 

of women.

Have you been living under a large rock until recently?

I am not a Hillary fan. But I'm a woman and a proud, avowed feminist. I have been angry much of my 65 years at how women have been treated. My support, or lack of support, for Hillary is a completely separate issue.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 09:59 PM

52. If you start a thread, you may try to at least spell her name correctly.

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The Hillary hopefuls? Oh, you mean the vast majority of the Democratic party.

This post is divisive and offensive. Sexism has been around here ever since I joined and probably way before that day. As for Hillary, yes she was the subject of sexism, but what does that have to do with the current wave of sexist posts on DU?

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 10:19 PM

53. That's not funny.

 

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 11:57 PM

55. Most of that PUMA crap was a media fabrication.

I voted for Hilary in the primaries and Obama in the general, no problem.

The so-called "gender wars" started, as far as I can tell, because the left still has problems with sexism. See Ed Shultz calling a female right-wing radio host a slut, that horrible cartoon of Ann Coulter being raped by the democratic donkey, and even some posts here, like the one were someone said that almost all young women will cheat on their b.f.s/husbands if they are given
the right opportunity.

When it comes to Hilary, I think what we have to look forward to is people who just cannot stand her throwing everything they've got her way, and a lot of sexism from all sides, including the left. I'm not even a huge supporter of hers, but some of the anti-Hilary crap, just like some of the anti-Obama crap (and please notice I said *some*) just comes across as a bit unhinged.

But I'm not gonna let that hold me back. I've chosen to stop worrying about what some sexist idiot says, either online or IRL. The only thing I can do is speak out against it and try to have a calm and rational debate, or if they chose to be unreasonable, just forget about them and move on. And sometimes, just sometimes, I've gotten other women AND men to change their views. Now most of them are friends and they're liberal/feminist/pro-choice.

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