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Tue Feb 25, 2014, 04:18 PM

 

Former Tacoma teacher sentenced to sex-offender treatment, home detention.

Former Tacoma teacher Keshia Shaw was sentenced Tuesday to receive sex offender treatment after pleading guilty to raping her middle school student.

The former Gray Middle School teacher was charged in 2012 with five counts of rape of a child in the second degree. She pleaded guilty to two of the charges in October and has been in the Pierce County Jail since then.

Pierce County Superior Court Judge John McCarthy ordered Shaw to complete two more months in home detention with an electronic monitoring device and to begin sex-offender treatment.

Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2014/02/25/3066570/former-tacoma-teacher-sentenced.html?storylink=fb#storylink=cpy


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Reply Former Tacoma teacher sentenced to sex-offender treatment, home detention. (Original post)
opiate69 Feb 2014 OP
CBGLuthier Feb 2014 #1
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opiate69 Feb 2014 #13
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opiate69 Feb 2014 #15
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opiate69 Feb 2014 #19
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LanternWaste Feb 2014 #9
Major Nikon Feb 2014 #35
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tammywammy Feb 2014 #12
Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #23
geek tragedy Feb 2014 #26
opiate69 Feb 2014 #30
dlwickham Feb 2014 #31
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Response to opiate69 (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 04:38 PM

1. Why is the WOMAN not going to prison? Does anyone think a MALE teacher would waltz like she is?

Talk about fucking double standards.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 04:42 PM

2. I see the "men are the real victims of sexism" bat signal has gone up. To answer your question:

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/montana-rapist-former-teacher-released-prison-after-30-days-v20701461
A former Montana high school teacher who has served a 30-day prison sentence for the rape of a teenage student was released from prison on Thursday morning – as the victim’s mother said the teacher is “still skating” justice.

Stacey Rambold left prison after serving the sentence imposed last month for the rape of student Cherice Moralez six years ago, said Judy Beck, a spokeswoman for the Montana Department of Corrections. The 14-year-old Moralez committed suicide in 2010, and her mother Auliea Hanlon has said that she believes the rape was a contributing factor.


http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/12/alabama-man-convicted-raping-teenager-still-avoids-prison-time

The Alabama man who was allowed to walk free after being convicted of rape has had his probation extended by two years, but he still won't have to serve prison time under a new, supposedly stiffer sentence handed down this week.

In September, a jury in Limestone County, Alabama found 25-year-old Austin Smith Clem guilty of raping his teenaged neighbor, Courtney Andrews, three times—twice when she was 14, and once when was she was 18. County Judge James Woodroof theoretically sentenced Clem to 40 years in prison. But Woodroof structured the sentence so that Clem would only serve three years probation, plus two years in the Limestone County corrections program for nonviolent criminals, which would allow Clem to work and live in the community. Only if Clem violated his probation would he be required to serve the prison time.




Notice that she did 2 years in jail. These two men combined did 30 days.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 04:51 PM

3. Um.. last October to now is two years?

 



She pleaded guilty to two of the charges in October and has been in the Pierce County Jail since then

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 04:53 PM

4. ah, okay, I misread. She served merely three times as much jail time as those two men combined.

 

carry on.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 04:56 PM

5. It's not a competition.

 

Every injustice diminishes us all, IMNSHO.

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 05:01 PM

6. whatever you say

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1114&pid=757


I had posted a study by either the FBI or the DoJ (can't remember which) which determined that in the overwhelming majority of M/F DV instances, police were noting that the female was the party that escalated the confrontation to the physical arena. That may have been my first (and last) encounter with the OOPO* I wonder if I can still find it....


*Order of the Perpetually Offended ™


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1114&pid=759

(linking to MRA woman-hating site)

Men who believe that domestic violence is usually the woman's fault are not on the side of justice.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 05:05 PM

7. MRAMRAMRAMRAMRAMRAMRAMRAMRA!!!!!!!!!

 

Jesus, you're nothing if not predictable.

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 05:06 PM

8. if it quacks like a Mens' Right Activist and posts like a Men's Right Activist nt

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 05:12 PM

10. Once again, because it so often gets conveniently ignored...

 

It should be mentioned that the SPLC did not label MRAs as members of a hate movement; nor did our article claim that the grievances they air on their websites – false rape accusations, ruinous divorce settlements and the like – are all without merit.

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/05/15/intelligence-report-article-provokes-outrage-among-mens-rights-activists/

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 05:18 PM

11. you guys should really make up your minds if your talking point is going to be

 

1) "we are NOT MRAs" or
2) "there's nothing wrong with being an MRA"

I see you've gone with (2). Good luck with that.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 05:30 PM

13. No... I've simply gone with Association Fallacy is Association Fallacy.

 

Anything more that you try to read into that is your own cross to bear.

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 05:40 PM

14. Why did you feel compelled to point out

 

that the SPLC doesn't consider MRAs as a group to be the same as the KKK?

No one mentioned the SPLC.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 05:46 PM

15. Well, if you read the entire excerpt, you'd have also seen

 

That even the SPLC acknowledges that at least some of the issues brought up by those evil, wimmenz-hating MRAs actually have merit.

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 05:46 PM

16. so you are defending MRAs. nt

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #16)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 06:00 PM

17. Is the SPLC?

 

nor did our article claim that the grievances they air on their websites – false rape accusations, ruinous divorce settlements and the like – are all without merit.

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/05/15/intelligence-report-article-provokes-outrage-among-mens-rights-activists]

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 06:11 PM

18. No. For one, they're not going out of their way

 

to defend the MRAs. That was written in response to the MRA's collective temper tantrum over the SPLC's expose on the extreme levels of misogyny and violent rhetoric amongst MRAs.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/spring/a-war-on-women
For another, here's some language you did not quote from your link

But we did call out specific examples of misogyny and the threat, overt or implicit, of violence.

Thomas James Ball, for example, who was hailed as a martyr on so many men’s rights forums, called for arson attacks on courthouses and police stations. The Norwegian mass killer Anders Breivik wrote extensively about the evils of feminism. We included as much as we did about Register-Her.com because it is so intimidating to its targets, not all of whom are criminals. When Elam accused Vliet Tiptree, a pseudonymous contributor to RadFem Hub, of “calling for extermination of half the human race; the male half, that is,” he offered a cash reward for her real identity. The names and locations of several candidates were publically aired.


...

I dare say that if social justice and equal protection under the law were all that the MRM were about, then the SPLC would have had no reason to write about it. If the article inspires more self-criticism in this vein, then perhaps it did the Men’s Rights Movement a service.


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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 06:15 PM

19. Yeah.. I've read all that a thousand times.. every time this canard gets trotted back out.. and..

 

Guess what? I agree.. so, let me make this easy and clear.. my position on MRAs is exactly the same as the SPLC's.

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 06:16 PM

20. what canard? no one talked about them being a pure hate group in this thread.

 

you could have just said "I'm not an MRA and I'm not part of that crowd" but you certainly didn't do that.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 06:19 PM

21. Oh, well.. I'll be sure to be more careful with my answers next time, Senator McCarthy.

 

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 06:28 PM

22. you're the one who flipped out at a passing reference to the

 

"MRA woman-hating site" you relied upon for information on domestic violence.

Since you claim to share the SPLC's view on MRAs, can you show us where you've extensively criticized the misogyny that permeates the mens' rights movement?

Better yet, where you called out a misogynist at DU?

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 06:33 PM

24. Sorry. I'm not taking any purity tests today.

 

I was up late playing WoW when I should have been cramming. Can we reschedule? When is the House UnMisogyny Committee scheduled to meet again?

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 06:37 PM

25. DU is supposed to be an anti-misogyny community.

 

Too bad not everyone here agrees with that.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #25)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 06:40 PM

27. No.. what you and yours fail to understand is,

 

The thing that "not everyone agrees on" is what actually constitutes misogyny.

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #27)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 06:42 PM

28. I tend to trust the people who act like misogyny is a problem. nt

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 06:43 PM

29. so you've cherry picked two examples of male sex offenders being given light sentences

good for you

now do the same for females

betting you'll find more than just two

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #29)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 06:47 PM

33. why don't you?

 

you're the one trying to argue that women have it so much easier than men.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #33)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 07:09 PM

34. ok

Mary Kay LaTourneau-7 year sentence; only served 6 months at first

Carrie McCandless-45 days for statutory rape and providing drugs and alcohol to a minor

Gabriela Compton-sentenced to 39 years for having sex with a 14 year old boy and a 13 year old boy-didn't do a day of jail time

Beth Geisel-sentenced to 6 months and got credit for time served;

Adrianne Hockett-180 days for raping a 16 year old special needs student

Rachel Holt-under a plea agreement, she pled guilty to one count of 2nd degree rape and sentenced to 10 years; she was originally charged with 28 counts of having sex with a 13 year old

Amy Gail Lilley-house arrest for sleeping with a 15 year old girl; she was 38 at the time

Angela Comer-sentenced to 10 years for not only molesting a 14 year old boy but kidnapping him to Mexico

Amy McElhenney-grand jury refused to return an indictment against her for sleeping with one of her students; he was 18 but Texas state law outlaws any sort of sexual relations between a teacher and a student

Becci Hill-sentenced to 2 years for molesting a 15 year old autistic boy

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #34)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 07:24 PM

37. You know, you really ought to credit your source, World News Daily.

 

http://www.wnd.com/2013/12/39783/

This conversation has been very revealing.

Off to update my jury blacklist.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #37)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 07:28 PM

38. poor thing

someone proved you wrong and you're just running off



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Response to dlwickham (Reply #38)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 07:38 PM

39. no, I'm just not stuck in WND's 2006 talking points

 

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2006/01/teachers_pets.single.html

and I'm not on the record endorsing extreme misogynist hate group's disparagement of the issue of rape:

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4114148

So, yeah, you and WND and A Voice for Men, not gonna win any debates on rape on a progressive forum

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #39)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 10:05 PM

40. how cute

you're looking up my posts to try and discredit me?

LOL

nothing I've said is incorrect

there have been cases where a woman has falsely accused a man of rape-that FACT is not up for debate

the FACT that some women get lighter sentences then men do for rape, child molestation, sex crimes is also not up for debate

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #40)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 11:01 PM

41. you did more than state the unremarkable proposition that

 

not all rape accusations are true. Or that some women get lesser sentences than some men for the same crime.

you explicitly endorsed the "don't be that girl" meme from an anti-woman hate site. A message not concerned with criminal justice, but at shaming rape victims and women in general.

They belched out misogyny, and you nodded your head in agreement. You expressed your agreement with an anti-woman meme propagated by a male supremacist hate group.

this is the kind of meme you were endorsing:




Which makes your talking points on female sex abusers derived from a birther website all the more revealing.


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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #41)

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 11:47 AM

42. your point would be?

your mistake, among many, is attacking the messenger instead of the message

are you denying that there have been cases where a girl or woman has accused a man or boy of rape when in fact it wasn't true?


are you denying that there have been cases where the girl or woman called rape because she felt bad about having CONSENSUAL sex?



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Response to dlwickham (Reply #42)

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 12:50 PM

43. I am not aware of any cases where a woman or girl reported a rape

 

merely because she regretted having sex.

That pattern of behavior--if it occurs at all--is not anything worth worrying about any more than the war on Christmas is.

There are two groups of people in this world who view false rape accusations as a serious problem facing society: defense lawyers and misogynists.


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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 05:06 PM

9. Yes,

" Does anyone think a MALE teacher would waltz like she is?"

Yes. Recently a Montana judge handed a teacher convicted of statutory rape a 30 day sentence. Although the sentencing was (and is) being reviewed, the same cannot be ruled out for this outcome either. Math teacher John Azabache was sentenced to no jail time after raping a 16 year old high school student in 21013.



So yes, I think many more people get reduced sentences more often than any of us would like to admit.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 07:10 PM

35. If we want to run the gender/race video game difficulty canard, white female is the easiest setting

The vast majority of all criminal cases result in plea deals. Like it or not that's how our justice system works.

I'm certainly not going to go as far as to say that women are never held accountable for their crimes and men always are, but there is a clear and measurable gender disparity. The reality is that men get the shit end of the stick when it comes to sentencing both in the rate of incarceration and in the length of prison stays which are comparable to the rates at which people of color get the shit end of the stick compared to whites.

http://time.dufe.edu.cn/jingjiwencong/waiwenziliao1/004109.web.pdf

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 07:21 PM

36. While all of these assaults are serious betrayal of trust

and involve people in positions of power, they are called statutory rape because they are rapes in the legal sense of inability to give consent as opposed to a sexual assault where force is involved.

An epidemic of these cases in town of late!

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 04:45 PM

44. yes, yes they have

However this is not a god damned competition. Anyone who would use the rape of a child as evidence that women or men get lighter sentences because of their gender is sorely lacking in empathy.

It is the rape culture that enables this. It really sucks when the roles are reversed, but not anymore than if this was a male receiving the same sentence.

It is past time to start taking all rape seriously and to stop using it as points for a mysongenic score card.

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Response to opiate69 (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 05:19 PM

12. WTF? Home detemtion and monitoring for child rape?

Disgusting.

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Response to tammywammy (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 06:31 PM

23. This appears to be a case of statutory rape.

 

The article doesn't make it clear, but I'm assuming that. I'll withdraw the comment if proven wrong.

Statutory rape--consensual sex with an underage person--is something different than what is implied by "child rape."

What is the appropriate sentence for statutory rape in your mind?

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #23)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 06:37 PM

26. The person suffers from MS and wouldn't be able to get her meds properly delivered

 

in jail, per the article.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 06:43 PM

30. Yet, my former guitarist sits in jail for assault, with an inoperable malignant brain tumor

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 06:43 PM

31. boo hoo

she should have thought about that before

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #31)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 06:44 PM

32. I'm just saying what the article says is the reasoning for the sentence. nt

 

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