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Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:07 PM

 

Police shoot man in the back with both hands held High

UNFUCKING BELEIVABLE

and we all know they will claim "I was in Fear" and be cleared of all wrong doing



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Just unfucking believable what has happened to America

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Reply Police shoot man in the back with both hands held High (Original post)
FreakinDJ Feb 2014 OP
Sanity Claws Feb 2014 #1
FreakinDJ Feb 2014 #2
Ed Suspicious Feb 2014 #3
Iggo Feb 2014 #4
PowerToThePeople Feb 2014 #29
Systematic Chaos Mar 2014 #59
Ed Suspicious Feb 2014 #5
Rex Feb 2014 #6
lpbk2713 Feb 2014 #7
giftedgirl77 Feb 2014 #8
Go Vols Feb 2014 #10
questionseverything Feb 2014 #17
ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #9
enough Feb 2014 #14
ladjf Feb 2014 #41
jsr Feb 2014 #21
Baitball Blogger Feb 2014 #11
Brigid Feb 2014 #12
Rex Feb 2014 #13
Ed Suspicious Feb 2014 #18
Rex Feb 2014 #27
Iggo Mar 2014 #58
Rex Mar 2014 #61
Downwinder Feb 2014 #15
Uben Feb 2014 #16
daleanime Feb 2014 #19
AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #20
struggle4progress Feb 2014 #22
AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #23
struggle4progress Feb 2014 #44
AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #46
struggle4progress Feb 2014 #54
AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #57
KansDem Feb 2014 #24
Rex Feb 2014 #26
Glimmer of Hope Feb 2014 #52
chompers Feb 2014 #25
Submariner Feb 2014 #39
Ed Suspicious Feb 2014 #42
Th1onein Feb 2014 #49
nilesobek Mar 2014 #60
Divernan Feb 2014 #28
taught_me_patience Feb 2014 #30
tofuandbeer Feb 2014 #31
chompers Feb 2014 #33
Rex Feb 2014 #34
taught_me_patience Feb 2014 #35
struggle4progress Feb 2014 #50
Liberal_in_LA Feb 2014 #51
struggle4progress Feb 2014 #55
Inkfreak Feb 2014 #32
ReRe Feb 2014 #36
frylock Feb 2014 #37
Blue Owl Feb 2014 #38
Enthusiast Feb 2014 #40
Bonobo Feb 2014 #43
aikoaiko Mar 2014 #63
iamthebandfanman Mar 2014 #64
LiberalElite Feb 2014 #45
Th1onein Feb 2014 #47
ManiacJoe Feb 2014 #48
proudretiredvet Feb 2014 #53
damnedifIknow Feb 2014 #56
Rex Mar 2014 #62

Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:09 PM

1. Daylight too

Unbelievable.

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Response to Sanity Claws (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:10 PM

2. Now watch the Guy who shot the video get harassed

 

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:13 PM

3. Just another day at work for our friendly neighborhood state-sponsored paramilitary enforcers.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:15 PM

4. Yay, Cops!

They're the best!

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Response to Iggo (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:33 PM

29. I'll join the cheer squad

 

Yea Cops!!!

Look at my recent hides to see what I really feel.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #29)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 04:10 AM

59. We can't, because your Transparency page won't show.

But I'm sure I get the idea and I'm probably right there with ya.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:17 PM

5. He fucking dead and they chicken wing him back and cuff him cause you know... he's a threat with his

hands up. Better those hands be in cuffs and his body with bullets in the back.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:19 PM

6. NP. 4 or 5 police state apologist will be along to remind you it is a few bad apples.

 

And to move one...nothing to see here.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:19 PM

7. No worries. There will be an Internal Affairs Investigation.



Which means ...


The Good Ole Boys will go behind a locked door and put their heads together to try and
come up with the most plausible way to put the victim at fault and the LEO in the clear.


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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:20 PM

8. That there ladies & gentlemen is called an EXECUTION...

 

We don't need no stinking due process...

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Response to giftedgirl77 (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:25 PM

10. +1

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Response to giftedgirl77 (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 04:35 PM

17. sadly

it seems you are correct

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Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 04:15 PM

14. My God, how many times will this same story be played out this way?

snip from the article>

Investigators found no weapon.

The Pinal County Sheriff’s Office said it investigated the shooting and found the officer’s use of lethal force justified.

The shooter returned to duty a week later, reported CBS affiliate KPHO.

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Response to enough (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 07:05 PM

41. There's at least one of these on DU every day. nt

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Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 04:57 PM

21. Same ol' shit.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:27 PM

11. Holy crap! That was cold blood!

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:50 PM

12. Shooting an unarmed person in the back is *never* "justified."

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 04:03 PM

13. Wow, watching all those pigs walk around like nobody just got murdered in cold blood.

 

Chills me to the bone.

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Response to Rex (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 04:38 PM

18. Yeah, the casual nature of it in the aftermath. It was sickening. Literally.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:28 PM

27. Why didn't any of the cops try and administer CPR?

 

I guess they knew he was dead before he hit the ground.

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Response to Rex (Reply #27)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 03:00 AM

58. Because CPR is for SAVING lives.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #58)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 02:28 PM

61. Well for all the people that complain we pick on cops

 

I find it funny that they don't go out and find GOOD positive stories about cops and post them! Surely there MUST be some good stories out there.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 04:24 PM

16. I hope his family has access to this video nt

nt

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 04:43 PM

19. ........

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 04:46 PM

20. Shot. In. Cold. Blood.

 

No other way to describe it. Fucking sickening.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:05 PM

22. Around the 0:46 mark, the suspect begins moving; around the 0:48 mark

he is moving towards the front car door; around 0:49 he may reach into the car; at the 0:50 mark he is moving away from the car door; at the 0:51 mark he turns his back; and somewhere around the 0:52 mark he lifts his hands and is shot twice by the deputy's rifle

Questions Surround Eloy Shooting: Deputy was told to abandon chase minutes before fatal confrontation
By ADAM GAUB
... Rankin arrived on scene with other officers, who ordered Longoria to exit his vehicle and fired off five bean bag rounds after not complying with officers. In a cell phone video of the incident, Longoria then appears to straighten and turn his back to the officers with his hands raised in the air–right before Rankin fired the two real shots that killed him ...

Shooting by Pinal County deputy stirs debate
Fatal encounter is captured on videos
By Sean Holstege
Mon Feb 3, 2014 11:14 AM
... At 12:51 p.m., Longoria stopped the car in front of the town library. There, video footage shows, he paused for about 80 seconds, gesturing through the open driver’s-side window at the police. His shouts are inaudible. Six minutes later, an Eloy officer radioed that “he says he wants us to shoot him at Main and 11th” streets, the scene of the shooting. A minute later: “He’s signaling that he has a gun. With his hands” ... Longoria is told to put his hands up. One second later, a series of sharp cracks is heard. Longoria convulses as beanbags and a Taser are fired at him. Jerome said five beanbag rounds were fired. Police believe the Taser malfunctioned, but Eloy Chief Pitman said he distinctly remembers hearing it charge and fire ...

Police radio: Pinal commander called off chase
Posted: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:20 PM EST
Updated: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:27 PM EST
By Morgan Loew -
... CBS 5 Investigates has also learned the deputy who opened fire was involved in at least one shooting in the past. He received the Medal of Heroism but was also arrested for alleged domestic violence in 2011 ...

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #22)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:23 PM

23. There are two gunshots prior to that.

There are clearly a total of 7 shots fired. Two of them BEFORE he turns and moves towards the car door.

If the first 5 were beanbags, that could explain him trying to flee back to the car. You don't enjoy getting hit with them.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 08:27 PM

44. Police say they fired 5 beanbags and a taser before the deputy's two rifle shots killed the man

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #44)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 08:30 PM

46. Right. And the first two beanbags are before he turns back to the car door.

If you got hit with two beanbags from a shotgun you would probably involuntarily flee as well.

If anything they should have just tazed him, by itself.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #46)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 09:41 PM

54. That's plausible. I can't actually tell whether he reached into the car or not.

There are conflicting stories regarding the taser and whether it malfunctioned

It's clear from the video he was shot shortly after turning his back and raising his hands. I can't quite be sure how long after he raised his hands the fatal shots were fired; from the youtube, I would very crudely gauge it as about a second, but mine is an estimate with no real precision

There are some neural delays in conscious detection of an event and in the formation of conscious intent to act; and presumably there are similar delays when forming a conscious decision not to engage in an intentional act that one has already decided to undertake. Unfortunately, I can't speak with any precision on the science there; in one of the links I've provided in this thread, a police chief suggests that the total time required to change one's mind in such a situation might be 1.5 sec; I don't know if that estimate is supported by research

I would assume that conscious detection of an event and conscious intent to act do not involve precisely the same cerebral centers, so if (say) it takes 0.5 sec to perceive an event and another 0.35 sec to form intent to act, it is plausible that combination could require 0.85 sec. And I might expect decision not to act after all, based on changing perceptions, could take at least the same amount of time and perhaps more, since the changed decision presumably requires resolving signal conflicts. So if the deputy saw the man his back to the police but his hands down and out of sight, believed the man armed and erratic, he might have made a decision to shoot based on (say) some hand and body motion that he misunderstood as the man turning to open fire

On viewing the video alone, I wouldn't call it a justifiable shooting -- but under stressful conditions, when one's attention is concentrated on aiming at a suspect thought to be armed and erratic, I don't know how long it takes to form an accurate assessment of a changing situation and make a defensible decision about how to respond. If the shots range out about 3 sec after the man had raised his hands, I'd call it manslaughter; if the shots were fired about 0.5 sec after the man began to turn his back to the officers, I'd probably call it suicide-by-cop; if the shots were fired more than 0.85 sec after the man began to raise his hands, we're in a vast gray area where I lack the knowledge needed to make a call



Ciba Found Symp. 1993;174:123-37; discussion 137-46.
The neural time factor in conscious and unconscious events.
Libet B.
Abstract
Our earlier evidence had indicated that a substantial duration of appropriate cerebral activity (up to about 0.5 s) is required for the production of a conscious sensory experience; this means the sensory world is experienced delayed with respect to real time ... Our experimental finding that conscious intention to act appears only after a delay of about 350 ms from the onset of specific cerebral activity that precedes a voluntary act provided indirect evidence for the theory. In a direct experimental test a signal (stimulus to somatosensory thalamus) was correctly detected in a forced-choice test even when the stimulus duration was too short to produce any awareness of the signal; to go from correct detection with no awareness to detection with awareness required an additional 400 ms of the repetitive identical neural volleys ascending to sensory cortex ...

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #54)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 01:22 AM

57. It looked to me like he reached the doorframe.

I agree, the officer that shot him likely decided at that point, to shoot rather than allow him to get in the car, and begin the chase again. I completely agree with your time delay/decision/action analysis.


With the conditions at that point in time in mind, I think I can understand the shooting justification in his mind to the point I wouldn't slap him with criminal charges, but I think I would retire him from police duty, and this incident needs to become a training tool.

3 officers were close enough to physically close with him and prevent him from getting in the vehicle. Two were so close you could hear them screaming 'crossfire' at each other, because if they had to open up, some of the other officers didn't have a clear shot due to their proximity. I mean, really all it would take is a kick to his car door to prevent him from getting in. Rather than grappling, they opted to hit him with beanbags... Taser may have hit a thick bit of clothing and failed to penetrate his skin. That happens plenty.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:23 PM

24. They kill him then they 'cuff him?

Unbelievable!

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Response to KansDem (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:27 PM

26. But we don't live in a police state.

 

That is just SOP for cops to get away with murder...and this time would just be another IF there wouldn't have been any video footage.

But a few bad apples is all...carry on.

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Response to KansDem (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 08:56 PM

52. Pretty sickening, isn't it?

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:26 PM

25. This is a tough one.

 

I suppose I will be a dissenting voice here to say that it is not as cut and dry as anyone would like. Officers had information that he had a gun. He told officers on scene of the stop that he had a gun and that they were going to have to shoot him. He turns to re-enter the car after a standoff. Officers start peppering him with less lethal rounds. They would have been justified in shooting him here. As he turns around and throws his hands up after coming out of the door of the car, the officer made a decision in less than a second to fire his gun.

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Response to chompers (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:52 PM

39. after coming out of the door of the car WTF

do you gun nuts just make shit up as you go along like the pig that just shot that guy in the back?

He turned towards his car with a slight crouch from bean bag hits, then turns showing his back and stands straight up with hands in the air with NOTHING in either hand. That is not coming out the door.

It might be tough one for pea shooters like you, but not for the normal world.

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Response to chompers (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 07:56 PM

42. It surprises me not that the 5 post-count poster would the poster to argue for murder.

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Response to Th1onein (Reply #49)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 10:50 AM

60. Agree.

Always videotape encounters with police. Even if you are killed your relatives may have recourse like Otto Zehm of Spokane, Wa. There is a rash of these unrighteous murders going on. I just watched a video on DU yesterday where a man was crushed by at least 7 cops.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:32 PM

28. Arizona quickly overtaking Florida & Texas as NOT a good place to visit.

The Pinal County sheriff's office issued a statement justifying the shooting, which statement omits the fact that the man's hands were in the air when he was shot. If it weren't for that citizen's video, those cops would clean get away with cold blooded murder. The article at the link provides an HONEST police officer's interpretation of the video:

But a former DPS and Scottsdale Police Officer Jess Torrez disagreed after viewing the video.

"You have multiple police officers on the scene and only one person makes the shot. That tells me that other officers at the scene did not feel there was justification to use deadly physical force," said Torrez.

Torrez said despite Longoria's behavior during the chase and initial part of the standoff, the only actions that were central to a decision to shoot, occurred right before the deputy opened fire.

"Officers are taught to look at the hands first and foremost. So if his hands are up in the air, he doesn't have anything in them. How do they justify using deadly force?" asked Torrez.
http://www.kpho.com/story/24524429/5-investigates-video-contradicts-pinal-sheriffs-statements

Wonder if the officer opening fire happens to be a vet with PTSD? Vets get preference points for govt. jobs, including law enforcement. If they survived 3 or 4 tours in the middle east, I'd expect them to be quick on the trigger.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:34 PM

30. Que the DU pig apologists in 3... 2... 1...

 

Who will come in with

1) This represents .001% of cops in america

or

2) He turned to his car door seconds before lifting his hands in the air... he could have been reaching for a gun!!!

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:37 PM

31. Can someone describe what happened? I don't want to watch him get shot.

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Response to tofuandbeer (Reply #31)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:40 PM

34. He looks like he is about to get back in his car or grab something out of the car

 

which IMO is when a cop would shoot him. For some reason, he backs away from the drivers side of the car toward police and as SOON as his hands go up in the air (nothing in his hands) - two shots take him down from the left. I don't think he died instantly either because you can see his leg move for a bit then go limp.

Don't watch it, it is disturbing.

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Response to tofuandbeer (Reply #31)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:41 PM

35. here's a play by play

 

suspect was outside the car near rear door/trunk facing police with hands out
shots are heard (could be bean bags)
suspect flinches (looks like he was hit)
suspect starts reaching at the driver door of the car
suspect turns around and puts hands in the air standing near the rear door/trunk of car
one second later shots fired
suspect collapses to ground
police handcuff dead body

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Response to tofuandbeer (Reply #31)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 08:50 PM

50. Here's an extended discussion of the incident:


Shooting by Pinal County deputy stirs debate
Fatal encounter is captured on videos

By Sean Holstege
Mon Feb 3, 2014 11:14 AM

In broad outline, a car was reported stolen 13 February. It was spotted about noon on the 14 February. Police reported around 1P that the driver told the police "he wants us to shoot him at Main and 11th" (where the shooting occurred later) and indicated by gesture he had a gun. There was a high speed chase, ending after about 40 minutes near Main and 11th, where the man's girlfriend lived. The man exited the vehicle and stood facing officers with one hand behind his back. Officers fired five beanbags and a taser at him. He moved towards the front of the car and may or may not have opened the front door of the vehicle to reach inside. He then returned towards the rear of the vehicle, turned his back on police, and raised his hand. About a second later, a deputy fired two rifle shots; one hit him in the back below the left shoulder blade. At about this time, off-duty Deputy Guy Cariño (brother of the man's girlfriend) tried to calm the man; Cariño was forcibly removed from the vicinity and charged with assaulting officers and endangering officers; he was fired the next day for a domestic abuse incident in September, for which he had been served a termination notice in January. The man was sent to a local medical center where he was pronounced dead

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #50)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 08:53 PM

51. thx. i cant watch it

 

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Reply #51)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 09:42 PM

55. although there's video at the link I provided, there's also a long text report

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:40 PM

32. That scares the living shit outta me. (nt)

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:44 PM

36. Police State

It's official: the cop-apologists have gone underground.

What we have now, is a war against the people.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:45 PM

37. fuck tha police

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:48 PM

38. When they said this winter is cold...

They ain't fucking kidding.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:55 PM

40. Just a few brown shirt, fascist, asshole, bad apples.

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Fri Feb 28, 2014, 08:26 PM

43. Male privilege nt

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Sat Mar 1, 2014, 03:07 PM

63. And the jury results are in...



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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #63)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 03:10 PM

64. DU

is pro-trolling apparently.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 08:30 PM

45. WHAT THE FLYIN F-K IS THIS!!!!!!??? nt

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Fri Feb 28, 2014, 08:35 PM

48. Link to last month's thread with more details:

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 09:13 PM

53. Fry the bastards.

 

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 10:41 PM

56. DOJ

Last edited Sat Mar 1, 2014, 01:47 AM - Edit history (1)

Come on, this is way out of hand now. FBI? Somebody???
Social media the hell out of this. This needs to be seen.

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Response to damnedifIknow (Reply #56)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 02:29 PM

62. Sorry but the FBI only gets involved if you vandalize uber expensive houses.

 

nt.

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