Black Women are the Most Educated Group in the United States

[malaise]

http://shine.forharriet.com/2014/03/black-women-are-most-educated-group-in.html
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For the first time in the history of data collection by the National Center of Education Statistics as reported by the US Census, Black women have surpassed every other group in this country based upon race and gender. What does that mean? For the first time in our history, African-American women have surpassed all groups in college entrance based upon race and gender. That's right. African American women enroll in college more than Asian men, white women - you name the group, either race or gender, African American women are number one.

[Heidi]

1. Kick!

Good morning, malaise!

[malaise]

2. Good Morning Heidi

I actually think the article's heading is misleading - I would argue that the data shows that black women lead the pack in college enrollments at this time. Given where we're coming from, it's highly unlikely that we are the most educated group in the United States.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

4. Yes, "becoming" the most educated. A wonderful step forward. nt

[malaise]

7. Agreed

[karynnj]

11. Agree - at first the numbers looked very confusing and too low for all groups

- until seen as representing the current enrollment only.

It is a very good sign for the future.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

3. Take note: Women surpass men in ALL categories.

Note how low the White Male demographic is. That's the Faux Noise and TeaBagger Party base.

[Igel]

19. Yes.

And it's been pointed out that therein lay a bit of hypocrisy.

If it were the other way, we'd be screaming. How can anybody be so sure?

Because it used to be the other way. And we were screaming.


But the other points are worth noting: white female enrollment leads to white female graduation. Black women have a fairly high drop-out rate. Nothing like the black male drop-out rate, of course.

[XemaSab]

23. That's a little classist

Men are more likely to make a living in the trades, or join the military.

[exboyfil]

5. Interesting statistic

Two other sources which I found. The first shows the spread in percentages of degrees conferred by race and gender. The white spread is 12% higher for white women while the spread is 32% higher for black women.

Another important consideration is what salaries come from particular degrees. This study from Georgetown University shows that white men are concentrated in the degrees with the highest earnings. I would counsel those especially from poor and middle class families to concentrate their efforts on those degrees making the highest salaries. The payback numbers do not work when you are borrowing for a wide swath of majors. I think more regional campuses in larger urban areas that offer undergraduate engineering degrees would be a place to start. On the other hand consider some pretty good colleges in urban areas:

From 2012 http://profiles.asee.org/

Wayne State - 38 of 294 engineering graduates are black
Un of Illinois Chicago - 18 of 407 engineering graduates are black
Youngstown State - 0 of 92 engineering graduates are black

You get the idea. The university my daughter will be attending, Iowa State, is 11 out of 1013. At a Scholar's Day event we sat at the table with a very nice young black man from Chicago who is looking at Iowa State for Computer Engineering. He is also considering Mizzou and Hampton. I hope he selects Iowa State.




http://www9.georgetown.edu/grad/gppi/hpi/cew/pdfs/whatsitworth-complete.pdf

[7962]

8. Thats a very good point; for ALL college freshmen.

There are so many degrees you can get today and spend thousands on, and they dont do much for getting you a job that pays well

[Hestia]

12. If it is simply about money, go to ITT Tech or something that doesn't cost as much

My husband has a wonderful well paying career after attending ITT.

Now, if you are interested in an actual education, attend college. THAT'S what college is about.

[brush]

14. Are you sure about ITT TecH?

Isn't that one of those for-profit colleges that are being investigated for saddling students with huge loans while few graduate?

Here's a link about this very school being investigated:

http://election.democraticunderground.com/10024570346


Some of us are not in the dark about this.

[exboyfil]

18. I would take the statement as being true

Would the poster tell a lie about their spouse? ITT does have a bad reputation, but it appears it worked in her family's case. You can't find much good information about for profits out there though. A huge amount of their revenue goes back into advertising. Default rates would be a place to start with shutting down federal support for all post secondaries.

Look at what is going on at the schools on this list for example.

http://money.msn.com/college-savings/11-worst-public-university-grad-rates

Also consider data from this site.

http://www.nslds.ed.gov/nslds_SA/defaultmanagement/search_cohort_3yr2010.cfm

These public colleges have higher default rates than ITT Technical and 50 or more defaults (number is % defaults in 3rd year)

OZARKA COLLEGE 42.1
PARIS JUNIOR COLLEGE 40.7
UMPQUA COMMUNITY COLLEGE 38.5
WESTERN PIEDMONT COMMUNITY COLLEGE 37.2
DENMARK TECHNICAL COLLEGE 36.1
TEXAS STATE TECHNICAL COLLEGE 35.6
FRESNO CITY COLLEGE 35
FRANKLIN TECHNOLOGY CENTER 34.9
HAZARD COMMUNITY AND TECHNICAL COLLEGE 34.4
OTERO JUNIOR COLLEGE 34.2
TEXAS STATE TECHNICAL COLLEGE MARSHALL 33.9
TEXAS STATE TECHNICAL COLLEGE HARLINGEN 33.7
SOMERSET COMMUNITY COLLEGE 33.4
TEXAS STATE TECHNICAL COLLEGE WEST TEXAS 33.4
PALOMAR COLLEGE 33.1
MOHAVE COMMUNITY COLLEGE 33
KLAMATH COMMUNITY COLLEGE 33
LAMAR COMMUNITY COLLEGE 32.7
ANTELOPE VALLEY COLLEGE 32.6
VICTOR VALLEY COMMUNITY COLLEGE 32.6
LANGSTON UNIVERSITY 32.5
MAYSVILLE COMMUNITY AND TECHNICAL COLLEGE 32.4
SEMINOLE STATE COLLEGE 32.3
SOUTHEASTERN COMMUNITY COLLEGE 32.3
MOUNTWEST COMMUNITY AND TECHNICAL COLLEGE 32.1
NORTH ARKANSAS COLLEGE 32.1
EASTERN OKLAHOMA STATE COLLEGE 31.8
WEST VIRGINIA NORTHERN COMMUNITY COLLEGE 31.7
NEW RIVER COMMUNITY AND TECHNICAL COLLEGE 31.7
SOLANO COMMUNITY COLLEGE 31.5
SOUTHERN ARKANSAS UNIVERSITY TECH 31.5
HOCKING TECHNICAL COLLEGE 31.4
CENTRAL STATE UNIVERSITY 31.2
FRANK PHILLIPS COLLEGE 31.1
BIG SANDY COMMUNITY AND TECHNICAL COLLEGE 31
WEST HILLS COMMUNITY COLLEGE 31
NATIONAL PARK COMMUNITY COLLEGE 30.7
LANE COMMUNITY COLLEGE 30.6
UNIVERSITY OF ARKANSAS COMMUNITY COLLEGE AT BATESVILLE 30.6
OKLAHOMA STATE UNIVERSITY INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY - OKMULGEE 30.5
MESABI RANGE COMMUNITY AND TECHNICAL COLLEGE 30.5
YUBA COLLEGE 30.5
NAVARRO COLLEGE 30.4
AMERICAN RIVER COLLEGE 30.3
ASHLAND COMMUNITY AND TECHNICAL COLLEGE 30.3
TRINIDAD STATE JUNIOR COLLEGE 30.3
KILGORE COLLEGE 30.2
PUEBLO COMMUNITY COLLEGE 30.1
BAKERSFIELD COLLEGE 30
GARRETT COLLEGE 30
COLLEGE OF THE REDWOODS 29.9
MT. SAN JACINTO COLLEGE 29.9
SOUTHEAST ARKANSAS COLLEGE 29.9
CORNING COMMUNITY COLLEGE - SUNY OFFICE OF COMMUNITY COLLEGES 29.8
SULLIVAN COUNTY COMMUNITY COLLEGE - SUNY OFFICE OF COMMUNITY COLL 29.8
WESTERN OKLAHOMA STATE COLLEGE 29.8
CHABOT COLLEGE 29.6
GATEWAY COMMUNITY AND TECHNICAL COLLEGE 29.5
NORTHERN OKLAHOMA COLLEGE 29.4
BUTTE COLLEGE 29.4
SAN JOAQUIN DELTA COLLEGE 29.4
BAINBRIDGE COLLEGE 29.4
UNIVERSITY OF ARKANSAS AT PINE BLUFF 29.2
ROGUE COMMUNITY COLLEGE 29.2
PIERPONT COMMUNITY & TECHNICAL COLLEGE 29.2
REND LAKE COLLEGE 29


Here are the schools which do the most damage (number is 3 yr. default rate) along with their default rate (2nd number). The one that interests me is Kirkwood Community College which is in our state.


UNIVERSITY OF PHOENIX 59356 26
ITT TECHNICAL INSTITUTE 11711 29.2
KAPLAN UNIVERSITY 10963 26.2
DEVRY UNIVERSITY 7513 23.4
IVY TECH COMMUNITY COLLEGE OF INDIANA 4269 21.6
COLORADO TECHNICAL UNIVERSITY 4090 22.8
AMERICAN INTERCONTINENTAL UNIVERSITY 4040 23.2
ASHFORD UNIVERSITY 3963 16.3
ART INSTITUTE OF PHOENIX (THE) 3942 26.2
STRAYER UNIVERSITY 3365 15.2
GRAND CANYON UNIVERSITY 3176 19.5
BAKER COLLEGE 3125 19.1
SOUTH UNIVERSITY 3060 23
VIRGINIA COLLEGE 3013 28.2
ART INSTITUTE OF PITTSBURGH (THE) 2774 25.4
INTER AMERICAN UNIVERSITY OF PUERTO RICO 2496 28.9
EVEREST UNIVERSITY 2280 23.2
BRYANT & STRATTON COLLEGE 2276 30.3
ARGOSY UNIVERSITY 2101 15.8
COLUMBUS STATE COMMUNITY COLLEGE 2052 22.6
LINCOLN COLLEGE OF TECHNOLOGY 1663 34
SANFORD-BROWN COLLEGE 1642 22.6
UNITED EDUCATION INSTITUTE 1588 22.5
EVEREST UNIVERSITY 1555 22.1
RASMUSSEN COLLEGE 1466 18.6
LINCOLN COLLEGE OF TECHNOLOGY 1459 38.8
OWENS STATE COMMUNITY COLLEGE 1449 28.4
CAPELLA UNIVERSITY 1394 10.9
KEISER UNIVERSITY 1321 18.6
PENNSYLVANIA STATE UNIVERSITY (THE) 1280 8
CARRINGTON COLLEGE CALIFORNIA 1272 27.2
LINCOLN TECHNICAL INSTITUTE 1248 30.4
LINCOLN TECHNICAL INSTITUTE 1228 32.6
WESTWOOD COLLEGE - DENVER NORTH 1133 20.3
TECHNICAL CAREER INSTITUTES 1121 38.8
WAYNE COUNTY COMMUNITY COLLEGE DISTRICT 1120 27.5
WESTWOOD COLLEGE - LOS ANGELES 1116 22.6
EVEREST INSTITUTE 1107 19.6
UNIVERSAL TECHNICAL INSTITUTE 1105 18.9
INTERNATIONAL ACADEMY OF DESIGN AND TECHNOLOGY 1087 26.8
KAPLAN COLLEGE 1080 29.4
KENT STATE UNIVERSITY 1068 12.9
KIRKWOOD COMMUNITY COLLEGE 1061 22.9
DRAKE COLLEGE OF BUSINESS 1058 29.6
UNIVERSAL TECHNICAL INSTITUTE 1042 20.2
AUSTIN COMMUNITY COLLEGE 1037 22.4
LINCOLN TECHNICAL INSTITUTE 1028 27.3

[exboyfil]

15. It is about the money unless you

are independently wealthy. If you are going to borrow the money, you have to ensure that you can pay it back as well as recognizing the opportunity cost that four years represents. If you husband leveraged a good paying degree out of ITT, then he did receive a good education. Just because you are not attending college, does not mean you cannot continue to learn if that is your choice. Take care of the basic foundation first - making yourself employable. College is not always the answer to that issue. A skilled trade is also an answer. No reason that a skilled tradesman has to suspend learning once that portion of their education is complete (or even any person for that matter). Learning requires little cost except time in today's age. Earning a credential such as a degree does have a cost.

A friend's son is currently at lineman's school. He could easily go to an engineering college, but it made a decision that is the lifestyle he wants. He took absolutely every course he could locally prior to heading off to this school. He is going to make a very good salary when he is done, and he still has the option to do something else later.

People think 18 year olds should not figure out what they are supposed to do with their lives. It is too important not to figure out early. In the past 14 year olds went off to work. It is not unreasonable to expect that 18 year olds have a clear plan where they are going and what they are doing. Plans may change because of circumstances and you can have fun along the way, but your primary goal should be to figure out what you can do to earn a salary.

[7962]

17. Another excellent point. The trades are always looked at as a lesser choice. Terrible

I've seen numerous interviews with CEOs on TV lamenting that they cannot find people that can operate machinery, or do wiring, etc. But they CAN find loads of people with degrees in things that have nothing to do with business.
You cannot outsource heating & air repair, plumbing, electrical work, engine repair, etc. ALL of which are well paying jobs

[malaise]

9. Interesting stats but I'm not sure that the choice of degree affects the data regarding

an increase in enrollments based on race and gender.

[Igel]

20. It doesn't.

Except that the skew in STEM fields hasn't changed much. What's happening is that there's more enrollment in "soft" fields. And because of various economic trends a tendency to stay in school--make that 4-year degree go for 5 years, head off to get a soft master's.

I also have to wonder if this includes community college enrollment and part-time enrollment. (But I don't wonder enough to check.)

[YoungDemCA]

22. The degrees with the highest average earnings tend to be more culturally insular...

...so that's not too much of a surprise.

Engineering is a good example of this.

[yuiyoshida]

6. More Asian women than Asian men..

\O/ woot!

[KansDem]

10. What happened to "White Men?"

Men
...plural form of man.

Male
...a male person, plant, or animal.

[Jackpine Radical]

13. Peter Pan Syndrome.

So many of them just never grow up. Particularly in the area of moral development, which is why so many of them get sucked in by the likes of Glenn Beck.

[Igel]

21. Yes.

It is telling.

There are humans, then there are white males.

Think of it as bashing wit privilege.

[Starry Messenger]

16. OMG male oppression!