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The Russians are determined to keep their bases in the Crimea. As near as I can figure out, most of the people living in the Crimea are Russian. I don't know if that means a 55/45 split or more like 95/5.
The votes from the Crimea have made it very difficult for Ukraine to form a stable government. Again, it seems that most of the people in the Crimea want to stay close to Moscow.
I don't know the history - I think the current borders of Ukraine are based on a Soviet decision at least as much as any historical factor. The borders in that region have been very fluid for 1000 years.
So - here's my question: Would Ukraine be better off ceding the Crimea to Russia? It would make it easier for the rest of Ukraine to turn to the West.
Please excuse my ignorance on all this - I'm hoping for some info.
CTyankee
(63,903 posts)on msnbc...
RKP5637
(67,104 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)It was Kruschchev who fatefully handed the Crimea to the Ukraine 60 years ago - in February of 1954, in fact.
In the old USSR, it hardly mattered which republic "owned" it, seeing as they were all under the thumb of the Kremlin. The fact that the Crimea is part of the Ukraine today is simply an accident of history.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,174 posts)It became Russian only through policies of Russification.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Looks like the Tatars are mobilizing at this point. You can expect the Saudi's to start sending aid.
Thanks Putin!
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,174 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Not to mention other indigenous peoples within the continental USA.
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)hedgehog
(36,286 posts)bleed and possibly lose much more (including its independence) to hang on to territory that was never really part of Ukraine.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)There's no "better off" here.
Pick your poison.
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)IMHO Russia would try to hold on to the Crimea even if the people there were all French.
Strategically, the Crimea is essential to Russia. They can not afford to lose it as it is the hinge of its force projection in the near and middle east, Mediterranean and Africa.
The Soviets "gave" Crimea to the Ukraine because it didn't matter as it was a deal between friends in the Warsaw pact.
Even after Ukrainian independence, Russian force projection in Crimea has always bested that of the Ukraine. The Ukrainian fleet has been dependent on Russia even after independence and that has only begun to change in the last decade. Russia has a grip on the Ukrainian navy and on most forces in the Ukraine even if those are nominally independent. What little force the Ukraine has in the Crimea that is truly loyal is no match for Russian capabilities.
In short, holding on to the Crimea is considered essential to Russian national security. As Americans, we have a good idea of what that means.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Regions whose main output is industrial goods may want to trade with Russia and not the EU which would not provide a substitute market for the goods they produce for a variety of reasons.
Closest EU analogies at present are Catalonia, Venice , Scotland and Spain's issues re. Gibraltar.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)about the geopolitical situation, but you certainly can admit that you are an ignorant ass.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)But I believe you are incorrect. Generally, an ignorant ass is one who refuses to acknowledge the need for learning and/or refuses to learn. Since I requested more information in the OP, I fail to qualify.