Horrible homophobic oligarchs are invading a tiny country!

[sibelian]

Quick, we must send in the Corporatist disaster capitalism shock troops to save the day!

WAIT! THAT MEANS THEY'LL BE FIGHTING ALONGSIDE NAZI EXTREMISTS!

No! That's just shoddy propaganda from treacherous, Snowden-loving spin merchants!

Nonsense! Lies from mouths of imperialist hypocrites!

LULZ! Hair shirt arguments from wussificated enemies of FREEDOM!


la la la

[frazzled]

1. Are you making fun of an invasion?

Are you supporting it?

Are you making fun of homophobia? (which has nothing to do with this geopolitical event, but I guess you felt like throwing it in).

And then your juvenile suggestion that "corporatist disaster capitalism shock troops" are are on the brink of invasion. They're not. You're making it up.

I immediately have to ignore any comment these days that has the word "corporatist" or even "capitalist": because it is just empty-headed sloganeering applied to anything, and a poor substitute for deep analysis.

Are we teenagers here, or adults?

[dsc]

2. gay Ukranians might have something to say about the notion homophobia

has nothing to do with this. I think under the pro Russian politicians their lives became worse.

[frazzled]

4. True, but my point was that the OP thinks it's trivial and laughable

There were indeed gay protesters, and the homophobia arose as a red-herring issue in what was essentially an economic game. But it did play a significant role in the beginning:

Struggling to pay his debts last year, the Ukrainian leader had two options. The first was to begin trade cooperation with the European Union. No doubt an association agreement with the EU would have opened the way for loans. But it also would have meant the risk of the application of the rule of law within Ukraine. The other alternative was to take money from another authoritarian regime, the great neighbor to the east, the Russian Federation.

In December of last year, the leader of this neighboring authoritarian regime, Vladimir Putin, offered a deal. From Russia’s hard currency reserves accumulated by the sale of hydrocarbons he was willing to offer a loan of $15 billion, and lower the price of natural gas from Russia. Putin had a couple of little preoccupations, however.

The first was the gay conspiracy. This was a subject that had dominated Russian propaganda throughout last year but which had been essentially absent from Ukraine. Perhaps Ukraine could join in? Yes indeed: the Ukrainian prime minister began to explain to his population that Ukraine could not have closer cooperation with Europe, since the EU was interested chiefly in gay marriage.

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2014/mar/01/ukraine-haze-propaganda/

[sibelian]

5. I think

you should make a new account called "s1belian", or something, and, using it, respond to those questions yourself, as you are clearly using my post as a springboard from which to discuss your favourite topics.

Also, this:

I immediately have to ignore any comment these days that has the word "corporatist" or even "capitalist": because it is just empty-headed sloganeering applied to anything, and a poor substitute for deep analysis.

.... is an ironic statement.

.oO(Gosh, I'm so clever)

[1awake]

3. I actually understood everything you wrote...

Unfortunately it's kinda based on BS.

[sibelian]

6. Certainly is.

No argument there.