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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe design for a memorial to the victims of the Utøya massecre in Norway is stunning:
Upon the recent conclusion of Norway's July 22 memorial site competition, Swedish artist Jonas Dahlberg was unanimously selected by the competition jury to be the designer.
Dahlberg's designs will become the two public-art memorials, each commemorating the 77 victims who tragically lost their lives in the Oslo bombing and Utøya massacre on July 22, 2011.
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My concept for the Memorial Sørbråten proposes a wound or a cut within nature itself. It reproduces the physical experience of taking away, reflecting the abrupt and permanent loss of those who died. The cut will be a three-and-a-half-meters-wide excavation. It slices from the top of the headland at the Sørbråten site, to below the water line and extends to each side. This void in the landscape makes it impossible to reach the end of the headland.
Visitors begin their experience guided along a wooden pathway through the forest. This creates a five to ten minute contemplative journey leading to the cut. Then the pathway will flow briefly into a tunnel. This tunnel leads visitors inside of the landscape and to the dramatic edge of the cut itself. Visitors will be on one side of a channel of water created by the cut.
Across this channel, on the flat vertical stone surface of the other side, the names of those who died will be visibly inscribed in the stone. The names will be close enough to see and read clearly yet ultimately out of reach. The cut is an acknowledgement of what is forever irreplaceable."
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More:
http://www.bustler.net/index.php/article/swedish_artist_jonas_dahlberg_to_design_july_22_memorial_sites_in_norway/
Simple and breathtaking.......
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)I also wonder how this will affect the ecology of that chunk of land that people can't get to anymore?
Hopefully any critters trapped on that side can swim?
Alternatively, it might prove to be a great place for animals to hide out and be left alone....
Doremus
(7,261 posts)LuvNewcastle
(16,834 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)K&R
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Not to mention offensive. That's something for people to like to think about other peoples' wounds, not their own. It both trivializes the pain and tragedies we are forced to endure as well as gives offense. As if anyone would say something like that directly to someone who just lost a loved one or survived a tragedy. That quote is nothing more than a more eloquent way of saying "get over it."
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Five years ago I was distraught to the point I could hardly function over personal emotional pain, today I hardly think about the issue.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Something is either true or it isn't. If there are degrees of ''trueness,'' they are certainly in the eye of the beholder. As with the concept of ugliness or beauty. Obviously whether it is likewise ''offensive'' is too in the eye of the holder -- and your pointing this out only serves to illustrate this fact more clearly.
To think that you and you alone know what is in someone else's heart is one of the greatest offenses. And yet we humans seem to perpetrate upon one another, ad infinitum.
- People thinking that they know what someone else should say or think is the cause of all our problems. It's why the world is in this fucked-up place to begin with.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)May. E there until a person dies, there is no doubt truth to the fact that time and distance does allow the pain to recede.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)Destroying nature is something I don't agree with in general, even though this design is clear meant for one to feel as if something is forever gone, out of reach; deep sense of loss. It's so incredibly harsh. Destroying the landscape, to me is a very un-original way of creating a memorial, not to mention its lack of creativity. Point being, there are other ways to evoke what the designer is attempting.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Not only is it ugly as sin it explains nothing and is a horrid scar on nature. I truly believe that the people killed there would never want such a gross remembrance of them. I fail to see how such an ugly desecration of nature is honorable to anyone.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)at one place, which is left forever altered, and usually transported to another where it becomes Lincoln in his chair or MLK, whose marble came from China. Mt Rushmore and the in progress Crazy Horse are hewn from mountains.
I'd say Rushmore, Crazy Horse and this design make use of the alteration of nature directly as part and parcel of the piece and the message of the piece, whereas quarried stones taken from one place and moved to 'the memorial' simply exploit the alteration of nature as an unseen part of the process of making the piece, it is a thing done simply to obtain 'materials'. But it sure as hell is done. The place that gives up it's stone is not honored, acknowledged or even mentioned. But the stone is cut from the earth. The 'harm' to nature is forgotten, the 'materials' might come from any number of places, chosen not for place or future location but for appearance and quality.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)another memorial.
I think its stunning. And I love that the trees, flora and fauna will go to Copenhagen to be incorporated into a memorial there.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)DU has become an unfortunate wasteland of democrats attacking/insulting one another. It's unfortunate that your entire response is based off the assumption that I am pro granite/marble/stone memorials. Maybe you should read my post again.
I'm personally a fan of the components of Flight 93 Memorial that are based off of planted tree's.
Martin Eden
(12,847 posts)Mimicking the act of a deranged killer is not a fitting memorial, IMO.
Breivik was an Islamophobic rightwing extremist who admired the Teaparty movement in the United States. I think the memorial should be something beautiful that extolls peace and the brotherhood of all people regardless of their race or religion.
Don't remember his act of violence with a permanent act of violence on the landscape. Build a monument to what Breivik wanted to destroy.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)It would be better to celebrate their lives, maybe with statues or photos or something joyous.
I have the same feeling about the 911 memorial, beautiful as it is, it represents a void.
Aldo Leopold
(685 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Brickbat
(19,339 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)It is a subtraction rather than addition, and creates a space for experience and emotion to take place without dictating that experience or emotion.
Paladin
(28,243 posts)MineralMan
(146,255 posts)void left by the attack. If there is concern about the habitat, add a small footbridge between the two parts. Bridging the gap is also symbolic.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)I really like it, I think it's a unique and powerful memorial piece.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)Very well done. Even just viewing the rendering really hits me.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Reminds me of the nagative space in WTC memorial with below ground memorial in footprint of towers.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Personally I think its stunning.
hunter
(38,303 posts)Some public officials voiced their displeasure, calling the wall "a black gash of shame."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_Veterans_Memorial
I think this memorial in Norway is a very positive thing, me, a fairly radical environmentalist.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)I remember the strong reaction against the Vietnam Memorial's design at first; now it's one of the most revered (and powerfully moving) monuments in DC.