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Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 09:00 AM Mar 2014

Rutgers professors: We don't want Condoleezza Rice at commencement

The Rutgers University Faculty Council has approved a resolution calling upon the university’s Board of Governors to rescind its invitation to Condoleezza Rice to speak at commencement.

"Condoleezza Rice ... played a prominent role in (the Bush) administration’s effort to mislead the American people about the presence of weapons of mass destruction," according to the resolution. And she "at the very least condoned the Bush administration’s policy of ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ such as water boarding," the resolution read.

"A Commencement speaker... should embody moral authority and exemplary citizenship," it continued, and "an honorary Doctor of Laws degree should not honor someone who participated in a political effort to circumvent the law."

At this writing, the university is not backing down. Rutgers spokesman Greg Trevor said that Board of Governors selection of Rice was "unanimously approved" on Feb. 4

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/16643963-condoleezza-rice-voted-off-the-campus-by-rutgers-univ-profs

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Rutgers professors: We don't want Condoleezza Rice at commencement (Original Post) Earth_First Mar 2014 OP
Yep. No matter how you slice it, Sweetness is a war criminal. HughBeaumont Mar 2014 #1
Don't forget he stole 2 elections ; his old man helped murder santamargarita Mar 2014 #31
I direct your attention to post number 63. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #66
Oh, great. We excuse genuine lie-caused war crimes because, you know, "BOTHSIDESDOESIT"!! HughBeaumont Mar 2014 #118
Kinda-Sleezy Rice = War Criminal warrant46 Mar 2014 #90
good for them barbtries Mar 2014 #2
there is a better place for her.... mylye2222 Mar 2014 #104
Why we did it (Maddow) coldbeer Mar 2014 #110
She knowingly misled us into war daybranch Mar 2014 #3
K&R n/t Feral Child Mar 2014 #4
good. hopefully the board listens. PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #5
people like Rice NJCher Mar 2014 #6
Damn liberal colleges, they are almost as bad as that damn liberal media! Dustlawyer Mar 2014 #7
Exactly!! mountain grammy Mar 2014 #17
we're even worse Viking12 Mar 2014 #57
She should've been indicted for this quote alone: catbyte Mar 2014 #8
+1 jsr Mar 2014 #36
Yes. It was a special lie. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #74
This issue aside, shouldnt the students have a say? 1awake Mar 2014 #9
Do students get a say in what material they must study? Bandit Mar 2014 #12
Uhhh ... sure ... Lurker Deluxe Mar 2014 #14
But the students don't decide the content or emphasis in the *courses* they tblue37 Mar 2014 #18
pretty much all carrot, no stick. Lurker Deluxe Mar 2014 #22
But those points are not relevant to the issue of whether faculty should have a right to tblue37 Mar 2014 #23
not what I responded to Lurker Deluxe Mar 2014 #26
Um, speaking as a college instructor... Hissyspit Mar 2014 #95
Um, speaking as a college dropout Lurker Deluxe Mar 2014 #114
I'll let you think about that. Hissyspit Mar 2014 #119
lol... that how it was for me each time. nt 1awake Mar 2014 #20
The professors should decide. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #48
Oh, I could care less about Rice... she can go retire somewhere never to be heard from again. 1awake Mar 2014 #52
Why say it then? Why argue in favor of the rightie position? Enthusiast Mar 2014 #56
I'm arguing from the position that the students should have a say. 1awake Mar 2014 #59
I must respectfully disagree. proudretiredvet Mar 2014 #63
Respectfully won't cover your ass. You are exposed. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #64
Calm down. They're not "talking about Benghazi". They're using an example of statements cui bono Mar 2014 #68
So we are now discussing how we value a lie or many lies. proudretiredvet Mar 2014 #70
Condi Rice claimed that we could never have considered Enthusiast Mar 2014 #73
I dont know where to start. First of all it hasnt ever been proven that Susan Rice rhett o rick Mar 2014 #75
Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #87
It's not often I get to debate with someone like you here. You compared the rhett o rick Mar 2014 #91
"I will not qualify or quantify wrong with a price tag" FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #77
That's like saying there's no difference between someone who killed another driver Marr Mar 2014 #80
I support your sentiments about Comment #63. LibGranny Mar 2014 #82
"You are exposed" Ewwww! rhett o rick Mar 2014 #99
Was that wrong? Enthusiast Mar 2014 #109
This is a decent message board and there should be no exposure here. rhett o rick Mar 2014 #115
Let me get this straight. Marr Mar 2014 #81
You do not get that as a given either. proudretiredvet Mar 2014 #84
Who said she started the war by herself? Marr Mar 2014 #85
Actually I got that from you. proudretiredvet Mar 2014 #88
Then you misunderstood. Marr Mar 2014 #103
Nonsense. Hissyspit Mar 2014 #96
Benghaziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii haydukelives Mar 2014 #120
Um, the Professors?? Hissyspit Mar 2014 #94
lol... then by your logic so do I, so i guess im right? nt 1awake Mar 2014 #111
Belongs in prison. She also approved of torture with Cheney on point Mar 2014 #10
Hopefully if the university goes ahead and has her speak..... llmart Mar 2014 #11
yep, let her speak heaven05 Mar 2014 #30
Was just gonna post that. closeupready Mar 2014 #34
Condoleeezza was here at the University of Arkansas last night to speak in our sinkingfeeling Mar 2014 #13
"The UofA said they would not allow in backpacks, large purses, or banners" < It strikes me that jtuck004 Mar 2014 #69
Good move, Rutgers faculty. Paladin Mar 2014 #15
This is part of the Powell Manifesto at work: the rightwing take-over of universities and their loudsue Mar 2014 #16
Right on! erronis Mar 2014 #41
Hell, erronis....they've taken over DU. loudsue Mar 2014 #46
Their sockpuppets are right here on this thread arguing in favor of Condi. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #51
Ah i remember that info from Thom Hartmann's new book The Crash of 2016 alp227 Mar 2014 #107
Wow! I didn't know about this book of his! loudsue Mar 2014 #117
Good to see the push back.. mountain grammy Mar 2014 #19
I agree with them, but let the students decide joeglow3 Mar 2014 #21
War criminals should be prosecuted, not invited to give lectures. If a country approves of their sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #24
SMH Mr Dixon Mar 2014 #25
The Bush brand must be rehabilitated. zeemike Mar 2014 #27
Karma sucks, Condie. Aristus Mar 2014 #28
Welcome another ethical faculty to the B1G. Woo hoo!! Scuba Mar 2014 #29
Good for Rutgers pacerbluedrum1949 Mar 2014 #32
I wouldn't either. She's a shameless warmonger. K&R closeupready Mar 2014 #33
Can't they take her for an afternoon? Orsino Mar 2014 #35
Good. HappyMe Mar 2014 #37
At least she'll have to stand there knowing the people she's addressing know what she is. toby jo Mar 2014 #38
Rice failed in her duties. Have the decency to GO AWAY. Why We Know Iraq Is Lying ( Editorial NYT ) Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #39
$35,000 and a honorary degree for a war criminal and waterboarding enthusiast jsr Mar 2014 #40
Rutgers rocks! nt raccoon Mar 2014 #42
Damn librul professors acting like war crimes is a big deal! Yeesh! joeybee12 Mar 2014 #43
Torture queen should ride her super tanker back to the shoe store JEB Mar 2014 #44
She is a Russia specialist from her Stanford education kimbutgar Mar 2014 #45
The graduates should boycott the graduation. merrily Mar 2014 #47
They need to stage an alternate graduation ceremony. Someone steal the diplomas. loudsue Mar 2014 #54
K&R n/t myrna minx Mar 2014 #49
A few options 12ZTR Mar 2014 #50
Actually, I hope she DOES show up and they give her a welcome like UMass gave Andy Card... NYC Liberal Mar 2014 #53
OMG - I just LOVED that!!! closeupready Mar 2014 #58
Wow, I missed that. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #65
How wonderful and beautiful gristy Mar 2014 #92
Thank you for posting this. I had never seen it. wilsonbooks Mar 2014 #108
uh...what about Stanford? ..hello? hibbing Mar 2014 #55
Cannot believe they'd consider her in the first place marions ghost Mar 2014 #60
I have only one word for Ms. Rice. raven mad Mar 2014 #61
Happy to be 100th rec n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #62
Good for my Alma Mater's faculty! LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #67
I hope MSNBC televises her speech. It will be... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #71
Not surprised in the least HockeyMom Mar 2014 #72
I'd like to know who wants her there and why. QuestForSense Mar 2014 #76
Here is her rap sheet SummerSnow Mar 2014 #78
Good for Rutgers! bigwillq Mar 2014 #79
Shame on the Board of Directors of Rutgers. What are they, obtuse? Good Luck Cha Mar 2014 #83
Hey Professors gussmith Mar 2014 #86
How dare the Rutgers University Faculty Council trash Condisleasy Rice! How could she have indepat Mar 2014 #89
Unindicted War Criminal Hissyspit Mar 2014 #93
What, they don't want killers of those possessing oil to send them on to their futures with a pot lonestarnot Mar 2014 #97
If war criminal Condi Rice get to speak on a college tour, it is only fair Dawson Leery Mar 2014 #98
Rutgers Rocks! ReRe Mar 2014 #100
Well at least the board of governors will show up for the speech ... nt MindMover Mar 2014 #101
Probably were also afraid her husband would attend. Two war criminals for the price of one.nt Mnemosyne Mar 2014 #102
???? Condi is not married. alp227 Mar 2014 #106
There was the time she gaffed and referred to him as "my husband"... JHB Mar 2014 #113
I was referring to when she accidentally called ** her husband. nt Mnemosyne Mar 2014 #116
Moral authority? Exemplary citizenship? Just ask Mike Rice, former men's basketball coach alp227 Mar 2014 #105
Chris Hedges at Rockford College--2003 yellowwoodII Mar 2014 #112

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
1. Yep. No matter how you slice it, Sweetness is a war criminal.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 09:24 AM
Mar 2014

As is the entire Bewsh administration. Lies started a war that bankrupted a country, and it all comes back to Condi.

santamargarita

(3,170 posts)
31. Don't forget he stole 2 elections ; his old man helped murder
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 11:43 AM
Mar 2014

President Kennedy; his grandfather was Hitler's Banker! I wish we could deport every member of that goddamn cabal.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
118. Oh, great. We excuse genuine lie-caused war crimes because, you know, "BOTHSIDESDOESIT"!!
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 02:18 PM
Mar 2014

And . . . TEH BENGHAYZEE!!



Fuuuuuuuuuuuu . . .

It's as bad as the idiots likening MSNBC as the "left wing equivalent to Fox".

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
104. there is a better place for her....
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 03:26 AM
Mar 2014

Than a university to speak....

A court room during her trial from charge ofwar crimes

coldbeer

(306 posts)
110. Why we did it (Maddow)
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 06:16 AM
Mar 2014

Maddow had her in the spotlight along with Powell.
These two culprits act innocent in the background.
They were used like a bordello bed.

I am glad that the profs at Rutgers took this stand.
I want Condy to squirm with this exposure. My big
disappointment is that Rutgers now belongs to the
Big Ten. Rutgers is going to allow her (pay her) to
speak.

Maybe something good might evolve from this?

daybranch

(1,309 posts)
3. She knowingly misled us into war
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 09:36 AM
Mar 2014

I remember when on television, she was asked if Iraq was a bigger threat in the middle east than Korea. Rather than correct the television commentator and pointing out that Korea was not in the middle east, she simply said yes. Just a liar is all she is.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
5. good. hopefully the board listens.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 09:44 AM
Mar 2014

Calling out the war criminals publicly is the first step towards this nation getting back to some semblance of a just nation.

catbyte

(34,375 posts)
8. She should've been indicted for this quote alone:
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 09:54 AM
Mar 2014

"We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." –National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, on Iraq's nuclear capabilities and the Bush administration's case for war, Sept. 8, 2002"







Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
74. Yes. It was a special lie.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 05:37 PM
Mar 2014

It was a lie crafted specifically to deceive the American people.

How could Iraq suddenly come up with rocket technology to deliver a nuclear warhead? The Bush Administration was all about deceiving the American people. But oddly enough they were allowed to get away with it just like the criminal banks were rewarded for massive fraud. WTF?

Now look at the nation, it is falling apart, it is clear off the tracks.

1awake

(1,494 posts)
9. This issue aside, shouldnt the students have a say?
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 09:55 AM
Mar 2014

Im not sure I care what the professors want or don't want nor what the Board wants.

tblue37

(65,336 posts)
18. But the students don't decide the content or emphasis in the *courses* they
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:32 AM
Mar 2014

take in that field of study. The people who are already trained experts in the specfic field make that determination.

Universities consist of more than one "stakeholder" group. In terms of what the school's purported mission is, faculty and students together comprise the primary stakeholders, while administration and other staff members are supposedly the support personnel necessary to achieve the school's ostensible goals.

Lurker Deluxe

(1,036 posts)
22. pretty much all carrot, no stick.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:50 AM
Mar 2014

In the case of higher education it is all the students choice. There is no mandatory anything. You don't want to take that class, don't. You don't want to read that book, don't. You may fail out, have to change majors, or any other number of things but the choice is yours to make ...

Learning is a choice.

tblue37

(65,336 posts)
23. But those points are not relevant to the issue of whether faculty should have a right to
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:53 AM
Mar 2014

be heard when they file a complaint like the one in the OP.

Lurker Deluxe

(1,036 posts)
26. not what I responded to
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 11:07 AM
Mar 2014

I responded to a question, "Do students get a say in what material they must study?"

I don't give a rat's ass to the OP, or to what Condi does ... I pay as little attention to that group of goat fuckers as I can. Ignore them and they will go away.

Lurker Deluxe

(1,036 posts)
114. Um, speaking as a college dropout
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 10:00 AM
Mar 2014

You're wrong. You can't force me to do shit, if I don't want to do it.

Period.

What I choose to learn or not learn, read or not read, is completely up to me.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
48. The professors should decide.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 02:17 PM
Mar 2014

Apparently. Because they see that Condi is UNFIT. Condi said no one could imagine terrorists using planes as weapons. She was lying. The memo warned specifically about planes as weapons. She should be in prison. She has no credibility. No one associated with the Bush Administration has any credibility and deserves any respect.

1awake

(1,494 posts)
52. Oh, I could care less about Rice... she can go retire somewhere never to be heard from again.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 02:21 PM
Mar 2014

But it's a commencement, which is for the students, not the professors. Really has nothing to do with this op... just a thought.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
56. Why say it then? Why argue in favor of the rightie position?
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 02:29 PM
Mar 2014

Just a thought? Okay. Maybe you are the only 1awake.

1awake

(1,494 posts)
59. I'm arguing from the position that the students should have a say.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 02:33 PM
Mar 2014

It has nothing whatsoever to do with Rice, or even this situation. I have no idea whether the students would want her there or not... didn't even cross my mind. I was addressing the protocol of commencement, not necessarily this one. I apologize if it sounded other than how I meant it.

Clever use of my handle lol.

 

proudretiredvet

(312 posts)
63. I must respectfully disagree.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 03:28 PM
Mar 2014

What Condi did was wrong but I blame Bush for that whole deception.
When I compare what she said to what what Susan Rice said about the Benghazi attacks when she knew a much different truth it is hard for me to get very fired up about Condi.
I do not like being lied to no matter what letter is in front of someone's name.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
64. Respectfully won't cover your ass. You are exposed.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 03:34 PM
Mar 2014

You are on Democratic Underground talking about Benghazi? Carrying right wing Fascist water?

You are comparing Susan Rice to Condi Rice? Are you even a fucking Democrat? WTF?

Condi's lies cost the nation over two TRILLION dollars and over four thousand lives! Your priorities are clearly not those of a Democrat.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
68. Calm down. They're not "talking about Benghazi". They're using an example of statements
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 04:03 PM
Mar 2014

made about situations.

Sheesh.

 

proudretiredvet

(312 posts)
70. So we are now discussing how we value a lie or many lies.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 04:28 PM
Mar 2014

It is about the cost of the lie and not if telling lies to our nation are right or wrong.

I believe that repeatedly lying to our nation and citizens is wrong. I will not qualify or quantify wrong with a price tag.

It is a matter of honor. Telling a lie is never right because of money. Telling a lie is never right because you believe the end result is more important.

Unless it is done to protect our national security or the loss of life it is always wrong. Even then the lies should be exposed, owned, corrected, and explained as soon as the treat has passed. Honesty does count with me, every time.

It is a very clear and easy right and wrong for me. I do understand that others do not believe as I do.

What you think of me is clearly unimportant especially to me.

Have a nice day.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
73. Condi Rice claimed that we could never have considered
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 05:19 PM
Mar 2014

the use of planes as weapons. That was a lie. It was a very diabolical sort of lie. A lie that was supposed to give cover for the greatest intelligence failure in United States history.

The kind of lie does matter.

The Bush Administration's lies to justify the Iraq War was an especially egregious kind of lie. A kind of lie that constitutes treason. Condi knowingly participated in that lie. That lie was treason.

And clearly I could care less what you think of me. It says more of me that you don't like me, or what I say, because I am on the side of right, I am a patriot.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
75. I dont know where to start. First of all it hasnt ever been proven that Susan Rice
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 05:49 PM
Mar 2014

lied. In the heat of the moment she gave an explanation that was later clarified. Clearly no attempt to mislead. And no one died.

Condi Rice told many lies and repeated them, not in the heat of the moment but as part of a propaganda machine to take us to war.

Hundreds of thousands died and million of lives ruined do to the lies that Condi Rice participated in. To this day she has no remorse for the dead Iraqi children.

And blame Bush and not Condi? You cant be serious. Condi is ten times smarter than poor Dim-Son. She knew exactly what she was doing. And, although Bushy shares responsibility, he was a dupe.

Just a hint. If you want to last here, dont be so obvious when injecting Right-Wing memes.

Just to be clear, Bush and the wacko assholes that supported him are responsible for the deaths of at least 100,000 innocent Iraqi children. May the war criminals and their supporters (including Democrats) rot in hell forever.

Have a nice day

Response to rhett o rick (Reply #75)

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
91. It's not often I get to debate with someone like you here. You compared the
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:07 PM
Mar 2014

the premeditated lies that Condi participated in that led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands, lies that she tries to defend today, with what happened re. Benghazi attack. Even if the first reports by the Administration were politically motivated, they were quickly corrected AND NO ONE DIED BECAUSE OF THE REPORT.

Attempts to make the two events equivalent are not just asinine they would seem to be politically motivated to the point that those making the attempts wouldnt qualify to post in Democratic Underground.

For the record, you are excusing the war crimes of Condi Rice are you?

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
77. "I will not qualify or quantify wrong with a price tag"
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:34 PM
Mar 2014

Telling Aunt Sally that the pie she made was good even though she forgot the sugar -- a lie.

Telling the nation we had to start a war or be destroyed by weapons that didn't exist -- a lie.

Yup. Who cares about the cost? They're both lies.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
80. That's like saying there's no difference between someone who killed another driver
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 07:27 PM
Mar 2014

in an automobile accident, and Jeffrey Dahmer.

LibGranny

(711 posts)
82. I support your sentiments about Comment #63.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 07:42 PM
Mar 2014

There is NO comparison re Benghazi and the trumped up Iraqi War!

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
81. Let me get this straight.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 07:37 PM
Mar 2014

You aren't particularly concerned about Condoleeza Rice's lies to start a war, but you're very upset about the Benghazi conspiracy theory?

Interesting umm... position.

 

proudretiredvet

(312 posts)
84. You do not get that as a given either.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:20 PM
Mar 2014

How did Condi start a war with only her lie? That in itself is not true. I blame Bush for the war, it was his call and his responsibility. Condi was just a handy tool to spread a lie. Sound familiar?

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
85. Who said she started the war by herself?
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:24 PM
Mar 2014

I doubt that many people would accept the notion that blame for a fraudulently-sold war can be neatly placed on a single, retired politician who no longer matters.

A whole political faction, not to mention the corporate media, helped sell those lies-- and they'll all have that stink on them for the rest of their lives. Rice should just be happy there's no justice in this country for people who act on behalf of the powerful, and go away.

 

proudretiredvet

(312 posts)
88. Actually I got that from you.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:44 PM
Mar 2014

Here it is.
"You aren't particularly concerned about Condoleeza Rice's lies to start a war,"

There was no mention of anyone else there.

You might find post #87 interesting. It is exactly what I and many other vets with experience in the middle east thought immediately after the attack and why I never bought into the spontaneous protester story. From first look at the weapons that were deployed in the initial attack the cover story sank like a rock.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
103. Then you misunderstood.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 12:58 AM
Mar 2014

I do not believe that Condoleeza Rice started the Iraq War all by herself.

I also don't believe that her lies should be excused, or that we should all just put the blame on some now-irrelevant politician.

llmart

(15,536 posts)
11. Hopefully if the university goes ahead and has her speak.....
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:12 AM
Mar 2014

the students will all turn their backs on her while she's speaking, or better yet, walk out and come back when she's gone.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
30. yep, let her speak
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 11:34 AM
Mar 2014

and the way to 'dis' her is here. Great suggestion. Non violent and silent.

sinkingfeeling

(51,448 posts)
13. Condoleeezza was here at the University of Arkansas last night to speak in our
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:19 AM
Mar 2014

'Distinguished Lecture' series. Funny, but there was absolutely nothing about what she said on the TV news this morning. I was amazed that there was no protest demonstration. The UofA said they would not allow in backpacks, large purses, or banners.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
69. "The UofA said they would not allow in backpacks, large purses, or banners" < It strikes me that
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 04:11 PM
Mar 2014

what she carried inside her head, her beliefs and motivations, are more dangerous than the contents of any backpack...

Paladin

(28,254 posts)
15. Good move, Rutgers faculty.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:26 AM
Mar 2014

Rice got off way too easy for the matters she either bungled or actively participated in.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
16. This is part of the Powell Manifesto at work: the rightwing take-over of universities and their
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:27 AM
Mar 2014

boards of directors/governors. It was intentional: after the protests of the '60's and '70's, Powell rallied Adolph Coors, and the rest of the US Chamber of Commerce nazis, and determined to take over schools, the courts, churches, media, publishing, and the democratic party. They used industry to only fund research projects at schools who would install faculty "approved" by the money suppliers; which Universities wanted and needed, and need now, more than ever. The Powell Manifesto was the 1970's version of PNAC, and in fact, what enabled PNAC at all.

erronis

(15,241 posts)
41. Right on!
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 12:44 PM
Mar 2014

They waged a behind-the-scenes hijack of most institutions. They figured out that they couldn't beat the plebes by pure votes or voices so they relied on $s.

I think that these moles are so deeply embedded in much of our society and governments that it will take years to purge ourselves of them.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
46. Hell, erronis....they've taken over DU.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 02:05 PM
Mar 2014

They are like cockroaches. Worse. Lice. Bed bugs. Chiggers.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
51. Their sockpuppets are right here on this thread arguing in favor of Condi.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 02:21 PM
Mar 2014

Part of the Fascist coup.

alp227

(32,019 posts)
107. Ah i remember that info from Thom Hartmann's new book The Crash of 2016
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 03:35 AM
Mar 2014

don't know about the Coors family but yeah the USCOC was definitely behind the right wing packing of university boards. Relevant passage: here (click on the 2nd result).

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
117. Wow! I didn't know about this book of his!
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 01:52 PM
Mar 2014

I just remember being exposed to the Powell Manifesto WAAAAYYYY back in the early days of DU, when there was always so much research going on. After that, I continued to look for it in other articles and references.

This, in my opinion, is one of the most sinister, insidious fronts to democracy and freedom that has ever been perpetrated on our land. It is the (bush lead) plot to kill FDR by the American Nazi party, but by sneak attack at every level of our intellectual infrastructure. It is Ayn Rand on steroids, and made manifest.

May the chamber-of-commerce and justice powell, and all their lackeys burn in hell.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
21. I agree with them, but let the students decide
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:36 AM
Mar 2014

I am 100% confident the students will say the same. However, the event is about the students and NOT the professors.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
24. War criminals should be prosecuted, not invited to give lectures. If a country approves of their
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:58 AM
Mar 2014

crimes, like this one, then it's up to the people to shun them. IF she goes there, the students should walk out. It's sickening to see these people in our universities and colleges with all that blood on their hands. And sickening that war crimes are our policy now.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
27. The Bush brand must be rehabilitated.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 11:10 AM
Mar 2014

And so I doubt they will change their mind.

And besides torture is sometimes necessary to keep us safe...Jack Bauer proved that on the TV show 24...don't these professors watch TV?

32. Good for Rutgers
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 11:50 AM
Mar 2014

Good for them ,since all those war criminals got away without even a hand slap, just maybe the embarrassment of being turned down and having it published and spelled out has got to hurt ..You know Jr. Vice P.Shoot friends in the face and the rest of those war mongering asses could care less but Rice is an Academic she went merrily along with these Neanderthals in my opinion because liked the power and attention maybe just maybe deep down in her soul she's kicking herself I seriously doubt but maybe.


 

toby jo

(1,269 posts)
38. At least she'll have to stand there knowing the people she's addressing know what she is.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 12:07 PM
Mar 2014

A student walkout or something along those lines would be nice, but with 4 Rutger years under one's belt and a tired economy waiting for you, doubtful we'll see that.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
39. Rice failed in her duties. Have the decency to GO AWAY. Why We Know Iraq Is Lying ( Editorial NYT )
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 12:14 PM
Mar 2014


By Condoleezza Rice
Published: January 23, 2003


Eleven weeks after the United Nations Security Council unanimously passed a resolution demanding -- yet again -- that Iraq disclose and disarm all its nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs, it is appropriate to ask, ''Has Saddam Hussein finally decided to voluntarily disarm?'' Unfortunately, the answer is a clear and resounding no.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/23/opinion/why-we-know-iraq-is-lying.html
 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
44. Torture queen should ride her super tanker back to the shoe store
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 01:27 PM
Mar 2014

or Stanford. Argh. She deserves nothing but shame and punishment befitting a war criminal.

kimbutgar

(21,132 posts)
45. She is a Russia specialist from her Stanford education
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 01:51 PM
Mar 2014

I wonder why she has not been speaking out and criticizing the situation in the Ukraine. Since she is such a foreign policy expert and one of the bushie loyalists.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
47. The graduates should boycott the graduation.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 02:10 PM
Mar 2014

Yes, I know they've worked for it for four years and amply deserve it. And maybe their parents deserve it even more. But they should boycott. It's very important.

About 20 years ago, Georgia's Emory University was going to have Rush Limbaugh, then relatively new on the scene, as commencement speaker. The graduating class protested, threatening a boycott.

The University swapped Limbaugh out, substituting the President of Atlanta headquartered Coca Cola, claiming he was all they could get on short notice. However, Archbishop Tutu did give the invocation and gave a speech as well.

Many of the graduates still weren't happy with the President of Coke, though, so they deliberately (and noisily) tripped going up to the wooden stairs to the platform to claim their diplomas.

ETA: Alternatively, the students and the professors who object to Condi yapping self importantly at the graduation can either turn their chairs around so that their backs are to her, or they can stand up and turn their backs to her. This is what a number of Democrats did in D.C. when Bush was inaugurated the second time, stood along the route and turn their backs when Bush or his limo passed them.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
54. They need to stage an alternate graduation ceremony. Someone steal the diplomas.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 02:28 PM
Mar 2014

Fuck the damned board of governors.

 

12ZTR

(92 posts)
50. A few options
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 02:20 PM
Mar 2014

BOYCOTT Rutgers.
BOYCOTT Commencement.
Stand up & turn all backs to her as she is speaking.
Stand up & yell "LIAR" as she's speaking,shouting her down.
BOYCOTT Rutgers.

Forget it! Students & parents aren't this smart.

hibbing

(10,097 posts)
55. uh...what about Stanford? ..hello?
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 02:28 PM
Mar 2014

Condoleezza Rice is currently a professor of Political Economy in the Graduate School of Business; the Thomas and Barbara Stephenson Senior Fellow on Public Policy at the Hoover Institution; and a professor of Political Science at Stanford University. She is also a founding partner of RiceHadleyGates.


Peace

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
60. Cannot believe they'd consider her in the first place
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 02:49 PM
Mar 2014

"A Commencement speaker... should embody moral authority and exemplary citizenship," it continued, and "an honorary Doctor of Laws degree should not honor someone who participated in a political effort to circumvent the law."

Ouch!

As might be expected, the professors are not alone in their opposition to Rice's presence on campus. Several petitions are circulating among students as well."

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
67. Good for my Alma Mater's faculty!
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 03:39 PM
Mar 2014

Unfortunately the Rutgers university administration has been more or less full of shit since former University President Mason Gross retired in the mid-1970s.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
72. Not surprised in the least
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 04:51 PM
Mar 2014

as a native New Yorker knowing Rugters. GOOD for them for calling it like it is.

Cha

(297,156 posts)
83. Shame on the Board of Directors of Rutgers. What are they, obtuse? Good Luck
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:11 PM
Mar 2014

to the students.

"As might be expected, the professors are not alone in their opposition to Rice's presence on campus. Several petitions are circulating among students as well.
"I’m a member of the faculty council and this seemed the right forum to raise the concern," said Robert Boikess, a Chemistry professor who actually introduced the resolution. "Many students are very concerned as well."


"Rutgers' student newspaper published a letter from Lawrence Michael Ladutke, an alumnus, who was critical of the school's choice as well: "Honoring such a dishonorable person is disgusting because doing so honors the inhumane and unconstitutional actions Rice carried out," Ladutke wrote. "My face is red, and not with scarlet pride. Rather it is red from embarrassment and anger."

The comments under that article were all from brainwashed idiots.. as far as I could see.

 

gussmith

(280 posts)
86. Hey Professors
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:29 PM
Mar 2014

Why not amend that anti-rice statement to also condemn Christie? He is the biggest problem your state has right now.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
89. How dare the Rutgers University Faculty Council trash Condisleasy Rice! How could she have
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:58 PM
Mar 2014

foreseen airplanes being crashed into tall buildings and not know Iraq were not really capable of creating mushroom clouds over our homeland within 30 minutes?

 

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)
97. What, they don't want killers of those possessing oil to send them on to their futures with a pot
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 11:51 PM
Mar 2014

full of lies?

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
98. If war criminal Condi Rice get to speak on a college tour, it is only fair
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 11:57 PM
Mar 2014

that Charles Manson gets to speak too.

alp227

(32,019 posts)
106. ???? Condi is not married.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 03:28 AM
Mar 2014

unless you take seriously the rumors that have flown around DU for years about GW Bush and Condi having an affair.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
113. There was the time she gaffed and referred to him as "my husband"...
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:40 AM
Mar 2014

...which is what I think Mnemosyne was referring to.

No affair need be involved. By all accounts she thought excessively highly of him, to the point where it seemed like a bit of a crush.

alp227

(32,019 posts)
105. Moral authority? Exemplary citizenship? Just ask Mike Rice, former men's basketball coach
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 03:27 AM
Mar 2014
On December 13, 2012, Rice was suspended three games without pay and fined $50,000 for abusive behavior toward his players. The suspension came after athletic director Tim Pernetti obtained video footage from a practice during either Rice's first or second season at Rutgers, at which Rice was seen throwing basketballs at players' heads and cursing at them. Assistant coach David Cox led the team during Rice's suspension.[5] As part of the suspension, Rice was not only banned from any contact with his players or going on recruiting visits, but was banned from coming onto campus altogether.[6] Pernetti characterized the suspension as "a complete removal from the program," but stated that Rice would return to Rutgers for the 2013-14 season pending a review of his behavior.[7]

The situation changed dramatically on April 2, 2013, when ESPN's Outside the Lines aired several hours of video from Rice's practices. According to ESPN, the video, provided to Pernetti by then-assistant coach Eric Murdock, showed Rice berating, pushing, kicking, cursing and throwing basketballs at players during practices. Murdock said that he first told Pernetti about the abuse in the summer of 2012, but Pernetti took no action until he and other Rutgers officials saw the video in December. Murdock claims he was fired in July for reporting the abuse, and is suing Rutgers for wrongful termination.[8] The video touched off a nationwide outcry, with New Jersey Governor Chris Christie condemning Rice's behavior, and State Assembly Speaker Sheila Oliver among many demanding that Rice be fired.[9]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Rice,_Jr.

It took FOUR MONTHS after Rutgers first disciplined Rice to realize his behavior was bad enough to fire Rice.

Rutgers fails again. Sure, right wingers who were drooling over the Duck Dynasty guy a few months back are now going to trot out that dusty ol' non argument again. But c'mon, these idiots would be complaining about Bill Clinton lying about his extramarital relations yet being able to speak at commencements.

yellowwoodII

(616 posts)
112. Chris Hedges at Rockford College--2003
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:50 AM
Mar 2014

We are reminded of Chris Hedges' speech at Rockford College. But Hedges was right.

I want to speak to you today about war and empire.

Killing, or at least the worst of it, is over in Iraq. Although blood will continue to spill -- theirs and ours -- be prepared for this. For we are embarking on an occupation that, if history is any guide, will be as damaging to our souls as it will be to our prestige, power, and security. But this will come later as our empire expands and in all this we become pariahs, tyrants to others weaker than ourselves. Isolation always impairs judgment and we are very isolated now.

We have forfeited the good will, the empathy the world felt for us after 9-11. We have folded in on ourselves, we have severely weakened the delicate international coalitions and alliances that are vital in maintaining and promoting peace and we are part now of a dubious troika in the war against terror with Vladimir Putin and Ariel Sharon, two leaders who do not shrink in Palestine or Chechnya from carrying out acts of gratuitous and senseless acts of violence. We have become the company we keep.

The censure and perhaps the rage of much of the world, certainly one-fifth of the world's population which is Muslim, most of whom I'll remind you are not Arab, is upon us. Look today at the 14 people killed last night in several explosions in Casablanca. And this rage in a world where almost 50 percent of the planet struggles on less than two dollars a day will see us targeted. Terrorism will become a way of life, and when we are attacked we will, like our allies Putin and Sharon, lash out with greater fury. The circle of violence is a death spiral; no one escapes. We are spinning at a speed that we may not be able to hold. As we revel in our military prowess -- the sophistication of our military hardware and technology, for this is what most of the press coverage consisted of in Iraq -- we lose sight of the fact that just because we have the capacity to wage war it does not give us the right to wage war. This capacity has doomed empires in the past.


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