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MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 06:54 PM Mar 2014

This Week in Delusional Conservatism: Con writer upset ’12 Years A Slave’ slaves not happy

Conservative writer upset ’12 Years A Slave’ doesn’t show happy slaves
March 5, 2014

By Anomaly

A Conservative writer is upset that the Oscar-winning movie 12 Years a Slave displays a negative light on slavery, instead of the happy times. Apparently the author of the article believes that being enslaved is a happy time for those who are taken from their country in chains, their families ripped apart, beaten into submission and forced to work grueling hours in the sun for nothing.

Politix reports, “But that negativity is merely anti-slavery “propaganda,” according to James Bowman in conservative magazine The American Spectator.”

Via American Spectator:

If ever in slavery’s 250-year history in North America there were a kind master or a contented slave, as in the nature of things there must have been, here and there, we may be sure that Mr McQueen does not want us to hear about it. This, in turn, surely means that his view of the history of the American South is as partial and one-sided as that of the hated Gone With the Wind.

…Yes, there was much cruelty and hardship in the slave-owning South, as there has been in most of the rest of the world most of the time, and Mr. McQueen’s camera is all over that. But it strains ordinary credulity to suppose that there was nothing else.


Mary Noble from Politix asks, “We are wondering, was Bowman equally aggrieved by the lack of happy Jews in Schindler’s List?”

ZING!!!

The Rest: http://freakoutnation.com/2014/03/05/conservative-writer-upset-12-years-a-slave-doesnt-show-happy-slaves/
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This Week in Delusional Conservatism: Con writer upset ’12 Years A Slave’ slaves not happy (Original Post) MrScorpio Mar 2014 OP
Just wait till Reverend Al hears about this. Brigid Mar 2014 #1
12YAS was not "fair and balanced" omg now we've heard it all, eh? elehhhhna Mar 2014 #55
The film was based on Solomon Northup's book - he was a real slave - and it is REAL history Tx4obama Mar 2014 #2
But you know Northup purposefully left out the songs the slaves would sing to their masters Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #6
Actually, I just finished reading the book and the first man that bought Solomon intheflow Mar 2014 #35
He was a free man who was kidnapped and made a slave REP Mar 2014 #47
Everyone who was enslaved was kidnapped and made a slave, or their parents were, gollygee Mar 2014 #48
Read the rest of my post REP Mar 2014 #49
Holy Mary Mother of God Number23 Mar 2014 #3
My sentiments exactly.. whathehell Mar 2014 #8
Yep. treestar Mar 2014 #31
I have some words: Bowman can volunteer to be my slave. phantom power Mar 2014 #56
Guilt often leads to revisionism malaise Mar 2014 #4
Yep. As does a malicious agenda for the present and future. merrily Mar 2014 #41
sometimes... RainDog Mar 2014 #5
Oh god... progressoid Mar 2014 #7
A kind master?! LeftofObama Mar 2014 #9
Holy #$&% shenmue Mar 2014 #10
Please tell me this is satire or from an Onion-ish type site! Rex Mar 2014 #11
Jesus. n/t DirkGently Mar 2014 #12
K&R - Derbyshire part duex! -NT Anansi1171 Mar 2014 #13
Steal Away struggle4progress Mar 2014 #14
Oh Freedom struggle4progress Mar 2014 #15
Right, that's it, isn't it? sibelian Mar 2014 #16
When you create a cadre/choir to echo your nonsense and fill up Google pages underpants Mar 2014 #17
I'm speechless. madinmaryland Mar 2014 #18
Does this mean we can sell Bowman and his family into slavery? I mean.... Moonwalk Mar 2014 #19
I'm gonna tell God on ole massey one of these days struggle4progress Mar 2014 #20
There are people who absolutely believe this gollygee Mar 2014 #21
I know of one white person who had said this treestar Mar 2014 #32
Look at the guy from Duck Dynasty NewJeffCT Mar 2014 #45
Yea, everyone knows there is an autobiography out there, yet to be found mind you, that Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #22
WTH?? Shockingly EVERY day I read something crazier/stupider/more outrageous from a Con or GOP. txwhitedove Mar 2014 #23
Maybe lsewpershad Mar 2014 #24
It's becoming more and more difficult to parody the right wing. clg311 Mar 2014 #25
What many conservatives don't understand is NastyRiffraff Mar 2014 #26
This is a joke, right? kairos12 Mar 2014 #27
Sadly, no. liberalmuse Mar 2014 #29
I suppose I should not be shocked by these words. The right-wing echo chamber kairos12 Mar 2014 #30
I'm shocked and disgusted, but not surprised. liberalmuse Mar 2014 #33
Conservatives are dangerously delusional. liberalmuse Mar 2014 #28
I can't even deal with this level of stupid. nt TBF Mar 2014 #34
Remember who you will be touching when you reach across the aisle, that guy! TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #36
No words, no freaking words! sheshe2 Mar 2014 #37
I am not surprised heaven05 Mar 2014 #38
Sadly, I heard this kind of crap years ago. merrily Mar 2014 #39
I was HOPING this piece of vomit-inducing nonsense was from the Onion, but, alas, was not. niyad Mar 2014 #40
Actually the reviewer is an idiot and must have went into the movie looking to see no nuance. Ed Suspicious Mar 2014 #42
I'll never understand these people rickyhall Mar 2014 #43
The only reason I can think of why anyone would defend slavery lob1 Mar 2014 #44
A few more examples of this gollygee Mar 2014 #46
well, have Jon Voight and James Woods do a movie about all the happy Doctor_J Mar 2014 #50
"Happy slave" is an oxymoron. Scuba Mar 2014 #51
Let that Conservative writer know we're accepting volunteers rock Mar 2014 #52
Whenever I think conservative thought has reached its zenith of insanity Vinnie From Indy Mar 2014 #53
Wow. Solly Mack Mar 2014 #54
James Bowman wrote it and American Spectator published it. LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #57
It's the same sort of mental warp that lets them believe the poor have way too much. n/t winter is coming Mar 2014 #58
These people are serious?!? Sobriquet Mar 2014 #59
Take it at face value MFrohike Mar 2014 #60

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
2. The film was based on Solomon Northup's book - he was a real slave - and it is REAL history
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:02 PM
Mar 2014

Solomon Northup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Northup

... so why and the hell would Bowman expect McQueen to focus on 'a kind master or a contented slave'.

Conservatives just do not understand real life and real history.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
6. But you know Northup purposefully left out the songs the slaves would sing to their masters
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:14 PM
Mar 2014

and the many fine parties the master threw as the black slave realized he had found his true calling--cared for, comforted, and at times disciplined by his loving white master.

intheflow

(28,461 posts)
35. Actually, I just finished reading the book and the first man that bought Solomon
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:30 PM
Mar 2014

was a good, kind man who encouraged Solomon's skills and treated everyone kindly. Partly because he believed happier slaves were better workers and partly because he really believed in Christian tenants of kindness toward all. This is how Solomon described him. Solomon worked for him as a mason and a carpenter and cart-driver. However, he had a business failing and Solomon was taken from him to pay for a debt.

I didn't see the movie so I can't know if this gentleman was included. Solomon does get passed to two more owners, both brutal bastards. He actually runs back to the first owner the first time he runs away, who returned Solomon to his debtor, but also says he will get the law after him if he hears about Solomon being beaten for no reason again. It's at that point Solomon is sold to a yet more brutal man for his final 10 years of slavery.

He absolutely acknowledges that his first master was an anomaly, especially in Louisiana or anywhere along the Mississippi, and that the other two were the rule. And of course any conservative today suggesting that the majority of plantation owners were benign has so little grasp of history as to be nearly comatose.

REP

(21,691 posts)
47. He was a free man who was kidnapped and made a slave
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:54 PM
Mar 2014

A very slight difference, I know - that detail doesn't make the realities of slavery any more or less horrific. Beyond horrific.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
48. Everyone who was enslaved was kidnapped and made a slave, or their parents were,
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:54 PM
Mar 2014

or their grandparents, etc.

REP

(21,691 posts)
49. Read the rest of my post
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:59 PM
Mar 2014

It's just a detail of one man's life that doesn't make the realities of slavery any more or any less horrific.

It is a detail that adds yet another layer of sadness and terror to that man's story, but does not change the reality that slavery was unending unmitigated hell for every slave.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
56. I have some words: Bowman can volunteer to be my slave.
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 12:30 PM
Mar 2014

I mean, it was so goddamned great, right? He must be chomping at the bit to sign himself up for some fucking slavery.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
5. sometimes...
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:13 PM
Mar 2014

It's embarrassing to be a white person.

Recently I read the "Mammy" stereotype of GWTW obscured the reality of Patsey and the rapists who bought and sold her.

LeftofObama

(4,243 posts)
9. A kind master?!
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:22 PM
Mar 2014

I have to believe that anyone who considers himself a "master" to someone who he considers beneath him is hardly kind! How in the world could he buy and sell another human being and have the brass to refer to himself as kind?

These people like James Bowman are really a special kind of stupid!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
11. Please tell me this is satire or from an Onion-ish type site!
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:26 PM
Mar 2014

OKAY...so I must ask...is 'anti-slavery “propaganda"' really reaallly REALLLY such a bad thing? IS anti-nazi propaganda bad?

How about anti-KKK 'propaganda'? Am I in trouble for believing that all KKK members are racist goons?

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
16. Right, that's it, isn't it?
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:44 PM
Mar 2014

That is clearly the fucking end.

Or maybe it's not. Maybe the abyss of conservative whackadoodlery goes down FOR EVER.

Hm.

underpants

(182,746 posts)
17. When you create a cadre/choir to echo your nonsense and fill up Google pages
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:45 PM
Mar 2014

and they have to write a certain amount of content, sooner or later they are going to leak internal meeting notes.

The happy side of slavery

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
19. Does this mean we can sell Bowman and his family into slavery? I mean....
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:48 PM
Mar 2014

If he really believes its not all that bad, why doesn't he put himself and his family up on the auction block? Slavery still exists and I'm sure he could find a buyer (might have to sell himself cheap, however....)

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
21. There are people who absolutely believe this
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:51 PM
Mar 2014

That slaves were happy and well taken care of because they were expensive and status symbols and people take good care of expensive status symbols. And that they were lucky to come to the US. In fact, I bet it's a decent percentage of white people who think that. Like not a majority but a pretty large minority of white people. And including some liberals even, sad to say, but liberals are not immune from stupidity and bigotry.

The movie was based on a book by someone who lived it. He knows better than some idiot with an agenda today. And it sounded very real to life to me. Like he did have a "nice" owner at one point, but his life was still hellish. And the "nice" owner's "nice" wife told the mother whose children were sold away from her, and the little girl sounded to be sold so she could be sexually abused, with the kindest sweetest voice to have a nice rest and not to worry, everything would be OK, because she'd forget about her children in a week or two and would feel better then.

And yeah there are people who claim that true stories of the holocaust written by people who lived it are false and propaganda too.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
32. I know of one white person who had said this
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:23 PM
Mar 2014

the slaves had "cradle to grave" care. Sure, and you could be sold away form your family. OMG.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
22. Yea, everyone knows there is an autobiography out there, yet to be found mind you, that
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:52 PM
Mar 2014

tells the tale of sweet dreams of being a slave.

What a fucking schmuck.

 

clg311

(119 posts)
25. It's becoming more and more difficult to parody the right wing.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:04 PM
Mar 2014

They do such a great job themselves. Tom Tomorrow will be unemployed soon.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
26. What many conservatives don't understand is
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:07 PM
Mar 2014

that not only was there physical and mental cruelty to slaves, but the very idea of slavery is cruel and dehumanizing.

There probably were masters who were relatively "kind" to their slaves (house slaves, that is, not field slaves). But nothing can make up for the fact that they were enslaved.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
29. Sadly, no.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:15 PM
Mar 2014

This is one example of why I no longer find "The Onion" funny. It's satire has long been surpassed by the ridiculous antics of conservatives in America.

kairos12

(12,852 posts)
30. I suppose I should not be shocked by these words. The right-wing echo chamber
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:19 PM
Mar 2014

has now made plausible words and ideas that previously had no place in civilized society. I despise them.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
33. I'm shocked and disgusted, but not surprised.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:27 PM
Mar 2014

It's gotten so I have to limit what I read because most of what conservatives have to say these days twists my stomach in knots. Their current ideology goes against everything decent, good and right. If I'd seen this future growing up, I wouldn't have believed it. Theirs are the kind of words I'd expect coming from a despotic state.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
28. Conservatives are dangerously delusional.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:13 PM
Mar 2014

What an insult. They really get off on human misery, oppression and victim blaming, don't they?

TheKentuckian

(25,023 posts)
36. Remember who you will be touching when you reach across the aisle, that guy!
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:30 PM
Mar 2014

Met those fuckers half way and see where we end up. He is little different than most of them, he just is a little less filtered than some.

You can't spell TeaPubliKlan without the klan. Radical Regressives fuckwits, even conservative is too kind for this lot.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
38. I am not surprised
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:41 PM
Mar 2014

at this person. Revisionist history is very popular these days among the RW base of issa, ryan, cruz, palin, tea baggers, klan and zimpig aficionados.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
39. Sadly, I heard this kind of crap years ago.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:02 PM
Mar 2014

On another board, we'd sometimes see a certain kind of poster. They'd show up within two seconds of any post about slavery, the Confederate flag, the Civil War, etc. and stay until they could not post on that topic anymore.

According to them, slaves got cradle to grave care, free room, board and clothing, and should have been grateful for it. There was more, but I just can't bring myself to go any further.

niyad

(113,239 posts)
40. I was HOPING this piece of vomit-inducing nonsense was from the Onion, but, alas, was not.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:04 PM
Mar 2014

so I went to this clueless cretin's website (www.jamesbowman.net). what do you know? he is also a climate change denier who HATES the word "denier".

I hope cambridge takes his degree away.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
42. Actually the reviewer is an idiot and must have went into the movie looking to see no nuance.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:13 PM
Mar 2014

There were multiple slave conditions portrayed in that movie. House slave, plantation slave, etc. each with masters of various temperaments and levels of predilection toward cruelty.

The willfully ignorant must work hard to remain stupid.

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
43. I'll never understand these people
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:14 PM
Mar 2014

Who deny the Holocaust, Slavery, Rape, Genocide. I just don't get it.

lob1

(3,820 posts)
44. The only reason I can think of why anyone would defend slavery
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:17 PM
Mar 2014

is because they'd like to bring it back.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
46. A few more examples of this
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:49 PM
Mar 2014

I just googled random right-wing names followed by the word "slavery"

Pat Buchanan: http://buchanan.org/blog/pjb-a-brief-for-whitey-969


First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.

Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.


Michele Bachman (not directly from her from from a book on a published list called "Michele's Must-Read List&quot : http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2011/08/08/michele-bachmann-promoted-bizarre-revisionist-view-of-slavery

African slaves brought to America, he argues, were essentially lucky: "Africa, like any other pagan country, was permeated by the cruelty and barbarism typical of unbelieving cultures." … Wilkins also approvingly cites Lee’s insistence that abolition could not come until "the sanctifying effects of Christianity” had time “to work in the black race and fit its people for freedom."

Ah, the ever misunderstood respect of the whip and the chain. Ah, the poor, misunderstood, antebellum slave owner. Ah, I think I'm going to be sick. Lizza quotes from a Wilkins chapter on race relations:

Slavery, as it operated in the pervasively Christian society which was the old South, was not an adversarial relationship founded upon racial animosity. In fact, it bred on the whole, not contempt, but, over time, mutual respect. This produced a mutual esteem of the sort that always results when men give themselves to a common cause. The credit for this startling reality must go to the Christian faith. . . The unity and companionship that existed between the races in the South prior to the war was the fruit of a common faith.


Glenn Beck: http://www.examiner.com/article/glenn-beck-claims-slavery-was-not-really-bad-until-government-got-involved

Glenn Beck continues to give his loyal listeners American history lessons, and the education they receive from "Beck University" grows more extreme each day. On Friday Beck went on a long rant "explaining" how health care reform is supposedly enslaving the American public. Then, in an attempt to explain the concept, Beck compares health care reform to the American system of slavery. According to Beck, slavery was not really evil and bad until the government stepped in to regulate it. It was at that point that owning people as property and all the other injustices of slavery became something to abhor.

In the audio clip (available by clicking on the video to the left), Beck says that slavery "started with seemingly innocent ideas." Beck goes as far as to say that the evil of slavery did not start with the Atlantic slave trade, but instead it "started in a court room, and then it went to the legislatures." Beck then warns his audience that health care reform might be "creating slaves" just like slaves were supposedly created in the past.


I could do this all day. And we think they're crazies, but lots of people read them and think everything they say is true. Lots of people agree with this. I think this kind of belief is more common than we realize.

Vinnie From Indy

(10,820 posts)
53. Whenever I think conservative thought has reached its zenith of insanity
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 10:06 AM
Mar 2014

somebody like Bowman comes along and pushes it higher. It should also be noted that Bowman was obviously not alone in thinking his piece had merit. The editors at The American Spectator must have believed this was worth attaching their name to by publishing it.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
57. James Bowman wrote it and American Spectator published it.
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 01:14 PM
Mar 2014

I must say, before Barack Obama was elected, these people didn't crawl out from under their rocks.

Perhaps it's better that the racism is finally unmasked, for it has always been.

MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
60. Take it at face value
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 03:17 AM
Mar 2014

Maybe there was one kind master in the whole of the country. So what? The point isn't that masters were cruel, that's just grist for the mill, it's that human beings were treated as though they were no different from the dining room table. They were treated as things to be used and discarded as soon as their value was ended. If he is unable to recognize that basic perversity, his moral sense is non-existent.

It's a demented joke that a man who works for a group with ethics in its name trotted out this line of trash.

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