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Conservative writer upset 12 Years A Slave doesnt show happy slaves
March 5, 2014
By Anomaly
A Conservative writer is upset that the Oscar-winning movie 12 Years a Slave displays a negative light on slavery, instead of the happy times. Apparently the author of the article believes that being enslaved is a happy time for those who are taken from their country in chains, their families ripped apart, beaten into submission and forced to work grueling hours in the sun for nothing.
Politix reports, But that negativity is merely anti-slavery propaganda, according to James Bowman in conservative magazine The American Spectator.
Via American Spectator:
Yes, there was much cruelty and hardship in the slave-owning South, as there has been in most of the rest of the world most of the time, and Mr. McQueens camera is all over that. But it strains ordinary credulity to suppose that there was nothing else.
Mary Noble from Politix asks, We are wondering, was Bowman equally aggrieved by the lack of happy Jews in Schindlers List?
ZING!!!
The Rest: http://freakoutnation.com/2014/03/05/conservative-writer-upset-12-years-a-slave-doesnt-show-happy-slaves/
Brigid
(17,621 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Solomon Northup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Northup
... so why and the hell would Bowman expect McQueen to focus on 'a kind master or a contented slave'.
Conservatives just do not understand real life and real history.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)and the many fine parties the master threw as the black slave realized he had found his true calling--cared for, comforted, and at times disciplined by his loving white master.
intheflow
(28,461 posts)was a good, kind man who encouraged Solomon's skills and treated everyone kindly. Partly because he believed happier slaves were better workers and partly because he really believed in Christian tenants of kindness toward all. This is how Solomon described him. Solomon worked for him as a mason and a carpenter and cart-driver. However, he had a business failing and Solomon was taken from him to pay for a debt.
I didn't see the movie so I can't know if this gentleman was included. Solomon does get passed to two more owners, both brutal bastards. He actually runs back to the first owner the first time he runs away, who returned Solomon to his debtor, but also says he will get the law after him if he hears about Solomon being beaten for no reason again. It's at that point Solomon is sold to a yet more brutal man for his final 10 years of slavery.
He absolutely acknowledges that his first master was an anomaly, especially in Louisiana or anywhere along the Mississippi, and that the other two were the rule. And of course any conservative today suggesting that the majority of plantation owners were benign has so little grasp of history as to be nearly comatose.
REP
(21,691 posts)A very slight difference, I know - that detail doesn't make the realities of slavery any more or less horrific. Beyond horrific.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)or their grandparents, etc.
REP
(21,691 posts)It's just a detail of one man's life that doesn't make the realities of slavery any more or any less horrific.
It is a detail that adds yet another layer of sadness and terror to that man's story, but does not change the reality that slavery was unending unmitigated hell for every slave.
Number23
(24,544 posts)There are no words...
whathehell
(29,065 posts)Incredible.
phantom power
(25,966 posts)I mean, it was so goddamned great, right? He must be chomping at the bit to sign himself up for some fucking slavery.
malaise
(268,903 posts)Fugg this fool
merrily
(45,251 posts)RainDog
(28,784 posts)It's embarrassing to be a white person.
Recently I read the "Mammy" stereotype of GWTW obscured the reality of Patsey and the rapists who bought and sold her.
progressoid
(49,969 posts)LeftofObama
(4,243 posts)I have to believe that anyone who considers himself a "master" to someone who he considers beneath him is hardly kind! How in the world could he buy and sell another human being and have the brass to refer to himself as kind?
These people like James Bowman are really a special kind of stupid!
shenmue
(38,506 posts)What is wrong with this freak?
Rex
(65,616 posts)OKAY...so I must ask...is 'anti-slavery propaganda"' really reaallly REALLLY such a bad thing? IS anti-nazi propaganda bad?
How about anti-KKK 'propaganda'? Am I in trouble for believing that all KKK members are racist goons?
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Anansi1171
(793 posts)struggle4progress
(118,273 posts)struggle4progress
(118,273 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)That is clearly the fucking end.
Or maybe it's not. Maybe the abyss of conservative whackadoodlery goes down FOR EVER.
Hm.
underpants
(182,746 posts)and they have to write a certain amount of content, sooner or later they are going to leak internal meeting notes.
The happy side of slavery
madinmaryland
(64,931 posts)Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)If he really believes its not all that bad, why doesn't he put himself and his family up on the auction block? Slavery still exists and I'm sure he could find a buyer (might have to sell himself cheap, however....)
struggle4progress
(118,273 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)That slaves were happy and well taken care of because they were expensive and status symbols and people take good care of expensive status symbols. And that they were lucky to come to the US. In fact, I bet it's a decent percentage of white people who think that. Like not a majority but a pretty large minority of white people. And including some liberals even, sad to say, but liberals are not immune from stupidity and bigotry.
The movie was based on a book by someone who lived it. He knows better than some idiot with an agenda today. And it sounded very real to life to me. Like he did have a "nice" owner at one point, but his life was still hellish. And the "nice" owner's "nice" wife told the mother whose children were sold away from her, and the little girl sounded to be sold so she could be sexually abused, with the kindest sweetest voice to have a nice rest and not to worry, everything would be OK, because she'd forget about her children in a week or two and would feel better then.
And yeah there are people who claim that true stories of the holocaust written by people who lived it are false and propaganda too.
treestar
(82,383 posts)the slaves had "cradle to grave" care. Sure, and you could be sold away form your family. OMG.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)All the black people he knew were happy under Jim Crow...
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)tells the tale of sweet dreams of being a slave.
What a fucking schmuck.
txwhitedove
(3,928 posts)Disgust.
lsewpershad
(2,620 posts)this conservative would like to experience those happy times.
clg311
(119 posts)They do such a great job themselves. Tom Tomorrow will be unemployed soon.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)that not only was there physical and mental cruelty to slaves, but the very idea of slavery is cruel and dehumanizing.
There probably were masters who were relatively "kind" to their slaves (house slaves, that is, not field slaves). But nothing can make up for the fact that they were enslaved.
kairos12
(12,852 posts)liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)This is one example of why I no longer find "The Onion" funny. It's satire has long been surpassed by the ridiculous antics of conservatives in America.
kairos12
(12,852 posts)has now made plausible words and ideas that previously had no place in civilized society. I despise them.
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)It's gotten so I have to limit what I read because most of what conservatives have to say these days twists my stomach in knots. Their current ideology goes against everything decent, good and right. If I'd seen this future growing up, I wouldn't have believed it. Theirs are the kind of words I'd expect coming from a despotic state.
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)What an insult. They really get off on human misery, oppression and victim blaming, don't they?
TBF
(32,043 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,023 posts)Met those fuckers half way and see where we end up. He is little different than most of them, he just is a little less filtered than some.
You can't spell TeaPubliKlan without the klan. Radical Regressives fuckwits, even conservative is too kind for this lot.
sheshe2
(83,728 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)at this person. Revisionist history is very popular these days among the RW base of issa, ryan, cruz, palin, tea baggers, klan and zimpig aficionados.
merrily
(45,251 posts)On another board, we'd sometimes see a certain kind of poster. They'd show up within two seconds of any post about slavery, the Confederate flag, the Civil War, etc. and stay until they could not post on that topic anymore.
According to them, slaves got cradle to grave care, free room, board and clothing, and should have been grateful for it. There was more, but I just can't bring myself to go any further.
niyad
(113,239 posts)so I went to this clueless cretin's website (www.jamesbowman.net). what do you know? he is also a climate change denier who HATES the word "denier".
I hope cambridge takes his degree away.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)There were multiple slave conditions portrayed in that movie. House slave, plantation slave, etc. each with masters of various temperaments and levels of predilection toward cruelty.
The willfully ignorant must work hard to remain stupid.
rickyhall
(4,889 posts)Who deny the Holocaust, Slavery, Rape, Genocide. I just don't get it.
lob1
(3,820 posts)is because they'd like to bring it back.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I just googled random right-wing names followed by the word "slavery"
Pat Buchanan: http://buchanan.org/blog/pjb-a-brief-for-whitey-969
First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.
Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.
Michele Bachman (not directly from her from from a book on a published list called "Michele's Must-Read List" : http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2011/08/08/michele-bachmann-promoted-bizarre-revisionist-view-of-slavery
African slaves brought to America, he argues, were essentially lucky: "Africa, like any other pagan country, was permeated by the cruelty and barbarism typical of unbelieving cultures." Wilkins also approvingly cites Lees insistence that abolition could not come until "the sanctifying effects of Christianity had time to work in the black race and fit its people for freedom."
Ah, the ever misunderstood respect of the whip and the chain. Ah, the poor, misunderstood, antebellum slave owner. Ah, I think I'm going to be sick. Lizza quotes from a Wilkins chapter on race relations:
Slavery, as it operated in the pervasively Christian society which was the old South, was not an adversarial relationship founded upon racial animosity. In fact, it bred on the whole, not contempt, but, over time, mutual respect. This produced a mutual esteem of the sort that always results when men give themselves to a common cause. The credit for this startling reality must go to the Christian faith. . . The unity and companionship that existed between the races in the South prior to the war was the fruit of a common faith.
Glenn Beck: http://www.examiner.com/article/glenn-beck-claims-slavery-was-not-really-bad-until-government-got-involved
Glenn Beck continues to give his loyal listeners American history lessons, and the education they receive from "Beck University" grows more extreme each day. On Friday Beck went on a long rant "explaining" how health care reform is supposedly enslaving the American public. Then, in an attempt to explain the concept, Beck compares health care reform to the American system of slavery. According to Beck, slavery was not really evil and bad until the government stepped in to regulate it. It was at that point that owning people as property and all the other injustices of slavery became something to abhor.
In the audio clip (available by clicking on the video to the left), Beck says that slavery "started with seemingly innocent ideas." Beck goes as far as to say that the evil of slavery did not start with the Atlantic slave trade, but instead it "started in a court room, and then it went to the legislatures." Beck then warns his audience that health care reform might be "creating slaves" just like slaves were supposedly created in the past.
I could do this all day. And we think they're crazies, but lots of people read them and think everything they say is true. Lots of people agree with this. I think this kind of belief is more common than we realize.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)slaves, and see how it sells.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)Just in case he's interested!
Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)somebody like Bowman comes along and pushes it higher. It should also be noted that Bowman was obviously not alone in thinking his piece had merit. The editors at The American Spectator must have believed this was worth attaching their name to by publishing it.
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)I must say, before Barack Obama was elected, these people didn't crawl out from under their rocks.
Perhaps it's better that the racism is finally unmasked, for it has always been.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Sobriquet
(15 posts)MFrohike
(1,980 posts)Maybe there was one kind master in the whole of the country. So what? The point isn't that masters were cruel, that's just grist for the mill, it's that human beings were treated as though they were no different from the dining room table. They were treated as things to be used and discarded as soon as their value was ended. If he is unable to recognize that basic perversity, his moral sense is non-existent.
It's a demented joke that a man who works for a group with ethics in its name trotted out this line of trash.