Jimmy Carter is a more decent human being that any ReTHUG

[malaise]

in the USA or anywhere else on the planet.
Fuck you Donald Trump.

[spanone]

1. you are 100% correct!

k&r....

[shenmue]

2. Amen

Indeed.

[Thinkingabout]

3. Jimmie Carter is a very decent man. Even if Carter wanted to be the worse President

George W moved the line so that it would be hard to ever beat him as the worst. Carter has continued to serve the public, a fine Christian man, more than you could say for many others.

[malaise]

5. They tried to sabotage his Presidency

GHWB has much to answer for in those years. Nixon et al had infected all the agencies with ReTHUG goons.
Amazing how Reagan got a pass after all those marines were slaughtered in Lebanon.
Same way they're trying to give Bush a pass for 9/11 (he kept you safe after 3,000+ were dead) while inventing a Benghazi meme (to replace the real 9/11).


Love you Jimmy Carter

[WhiteTara]

38. Leave out "tried" Even Ted Kennedy

worked against him during his presidency.

[malaise]

44. True

[WhiteTara]

48. back at you!

[merrily]

59. I have adored Kennedy.

It disillusioned me a lot when Kennedy said that the biggest regret of his life was stopping Nixon from passing a health care plan because--wait for it--Kennedy wanted a Democratic President to pass it. He said he repented of that decision, but, by then, Nixon couldn't be bothered, because he was embroiled in Watergate. And I believed him.

But, then, when I heard a Democratic President, Carter say, maybe a year ago, that Kennedy had stopped him, too, because Kennedy wanted to be President and get it pass during his administration, my heart about broke. It hadn't even been about a Democratic President! Not that that is a good reason to stall health care, but personal vanity?

And, of course, by the time a plan passed, Congress had gone batshit corporate and the Republicans "thinkers" had had time to react to Nixon's plan (employer mandate, I think, no individual) with the Heritage Foundation Health Insurer Gift Pack.


Kennedy said affordable health care was the "cause of my life." He said that, when he got injured in a plane crash early on, he realized that he had recovered only because he could afford great medical care.

I will have a very soft spot in my heart for Kennedy until I die. I cannot help but smile and feel love when I see any photo of him. And, I feel, he deserves that.

Among many, many other good things, he did get one hell of a lot of health care legislation throughout his career. But, saying health care was the cause of his life and stopping two Presidents who wanted to pass health care legislation and had Democratic Congresses because of partisanship and/or personal vanity is a very hard thing for me to swallow.

[WhiteTara]

70. After he lied about Mary Jo, I lost all respect

for Teddy. He drank too much, was filled with white male privilege and then he sabotaged the best chance against the madness of the repuklican march to the madness we live in. Jimmy was not perfect and the Taliban and the mess in Sri Lanka is on him, but we were going to go into the future in a better way than are now.

[merrily]

103. I am not clear which lie you mean.

Do you disbelieve that he tried to save her, but could not? I don't disbelieve that.

Do you disbelieve that he swam as far as he said? I think I might disbelieve that, but I don't think that affected poor Mary Jo at that point.

Two court proceedings in Massachusetts cleared. One was an inquest and I have forgotten the nature of the other one. You can say it was because he was a Kennedy and that may well be true.

[WhiteTara]

107. I'm not trying to tarnish your hero

I just remember all the news during the event and I think because of his position of white male privilege with the name Kennedy he did not have to answer for his actions. But what he did to our country for his ego is even more damning.

[merrily]

111. Nor did I accuse you of that.

I really was just curious as to which lie you were referring to, that's all.

He is not so much my hero as someone for whom I felt fondness, whether I wanted to or not. And he did do an enormous amount of good for the country while in the Senate.

Didn't have to work a day in his life, but gave the country years of service, including serving in the Korean War after his family had lost a son in World War II.

Whether we want to admit it or not, most of our so called heroes in politics have been a pretty mixed bag, even Lincoln. Washington was supposed to have been a serial adulterer who just may have married cougar Martha for her money. Who knows? Historians would not have dreamed of show the warts of someone like Washington back then. It's a relatively new thing.

Where we go wrong, I think, may be overlooking their warts ourselves, instead of recognizing that they are all pretty much mixed bags.

[WhiteTara]

113. He lied about Mary Jo and

he lied about health care passage. Since I'm not in his state, I don't really know what great things he did. He did work on school reform to leave every child behind w/ *co and that also left a bad taste in my electoral mouth.

Because they are such mixed bags, I have no heroes in politics and look at all with a jaundiced eye.

[merrily]

117. I agree about not having heroes.

[WhiteTara]

118. If I were Youtube conversant,

I would play Mariah Carey's "The Hero Lies In You"...one of my faves

[merrily]

120. Cool It's soo easy, though.

First google you tube Mariah Carey The Hero Lies in You. When google gives you a link to you tube, click on it. You will probably get right to the video. If not, you tube has its own search bar. Put in Mariah Carey The Hero lies in you. Happy listening/viewing.

[WhiteTara]

121. Thanks! Back at you!

[KamaAina]

4. And most Dems as well

[woo me with science]

6. He stands apart from all recent Presidents. American democracy and the Constitution,

versus selling out.

Jimmy Carter issues statement on Snowden's revelations. "America no longer has a functioning democracy"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023285237

[malaise]

7. Yes he's the only one who didn't sell out

or profit from the position.

Dems really should fight back over Carter attacks.

[merrily]

29. New rule: Looks are not always deceiving.

In every photo of him, Carter actually looks like a nice person and, in every photo of him, Bush actually looks like a cartoon.

[Rex]

90. Agreed.

My, my some interesting names missing from this thread.

[etherealtruth]

8. Jimmy Carter is a more decent human being that most people

Jimmy Carter

Donald Trump

[malaise]

9. Thanks Tweety

Carter did give us a peace treaty while W gave us two wars.

[LibDemAlways]

10. A thoroughly decent human being. At a book

signing many years ago, I was holding my then two year old daughter. The line was long, but President Carter greeted everyone politely, and when he saw my daughter, he smiled at her and told me she was beautiful. It was a moment I'll never forget. Best former President and a credit to the office.

[malaise]

11. That must have been a great moment

I'm glad Tweety was fighting back - it's beyond unfair

[heaven05]

12. well he may be decent now

but he is a recovering racist. In fact the Democratic Party has a long, rich history of racism. Just a fact, nothing else. And yeah, now he's a couple of steps above the modern rethug. I'll agree to that.

[Roy Rolling]

16. "Recovering Racist"?

As in "recovering alcoholic"? A person whose whole life and being is controlled by an addictive substance and is struggling to beat those demons every second of his new life?

I don't think that's an accurate summation of his life's contribution to mankind.

Anyone who says Carter is the worst president ignores the fact he almost singlehandedly defeated the most significant threat to the US sovereignty of the 1970s----U.S. Fossil fuel addiction---by breaking the back of OPEC with insulation and fuel efficiency standards.

Carter was a great president and selfless human being. Please refrain from repeating Republican smears meant to erase a good man's legacy.

[heaven05]

31. Republicans are the worsT. No argument

I'm just stating 'historical' fact. I am a Democrat, lifelong. Doesn't change the history of the Democratic Party. That's a fact. We as a party have come a long way in regard to inclusion of all in our Party. Carter had his negative side, when it comes to race issues, whether you like or believe it. That just fact. Period. He was a 'good' man eventually, but his history is there for anyone to search out.

[heaven05]

40. I never said

nor believe that he was in the worst POTUS pack. I know who that pack is led by. I am speaking of historical fact. Not repeating anything republican. Can't stomach them today. I just know something about the history of the man which with a little research is available to all. Not smearing him, just have some undying dislike for some of his cultural/political beliefs. Don't care if you like it or not. I don't have to like the man, just voted for him. You have a good now, yah heah.

[merrily]

55. No, you are not speaking of historical fact. You're smearing, 100% fact free, link free.

It's shameful and disgusting.

[L0oniX]

87. This poster thinks a child can have a best friend who is black and be a "recovering racist".

I suspect this person is a racist. I doubt the person ever read Carter's BIO. There's no reason what so ever to think Carter was ever racist. Smearing is what this is ...indeed.

[newthinking]

92. Carter is not a racist. But it *is* definitely possible to be a racist while

having some close relationships with other races. That happened in the south with some house staff, sometimes lovers, etc. It seems to have to so with the subconscious, which can guide completely opposite actions from the same person.

Just like it is possible, and does happen, that people such as pasters, preach against Gays while carrying on secret affairs.

[L0oniX]

100. Possible yes but also unlikely IMO ...especially with a person such as Carter.

[newthinking]

101. I agree. Anyone who has paid any attention knows Carter is not a racist

[merrily]

99. Yup. I wonder what this person has done for equal rights and people of color.

No doubt he's dedicated his life to to improving things.


But I'm thinking nothing he's accomplished nothing anywhere near as big as integrating Georgia or all the other great things Carter has done, though.

Notice, too, not one word to acknowledge that Carter did any good at all, no matter what I posted to him.

Look, I'll criticize Carter (or any pol) for government policies while he was in in office. But he is a very decent man, especially for a politician. And his post Presidency set the bar for those who followed him.

Also have to wonder about the one posting the result of my alert to make sure he knows he has a clear field.



Anyway, thanks.

[merrily]

17. Why mention only Democrats? "In fact" most of the nation has a "long, rich

rich history of racism" and about half of the nation has been Republicans, under one party name or another.

Jimmy Carter a recovering racist? I am no unconditional fan of any politician, but, Carter is a more decent person than most politicians ever even aspire to be.

He must have been well over it by the time he was in state politics.

During his years of public service at the local, state, and federal levels, Carter's policies contained a unique blend of liberal social values and fiscal conservatism. He emphasized comprehensive reform and stressed efficiency and economy, advance planning, and rational organization. He also championed equal rights for all Americans, especially women and minorities, and basic human rights for all people. In 2002 Carter won the prestigious Nobel Peace Prize for his humanitarian efforts.

http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/government-politics/jimmy-carter-b-1924++

The write up goes on to say that he was defeated because of his equal rights policies when he first ran for statewide office and nonetheless ran on the same policies the next time. And Lord knows, he's helped people of every conceivable hue in his post presidency.

Strom Thurmond, on the other hand was so racist he could not acknowledge or care for his own biracial daughter, racist, delinquent, cruel father to the bitter end. Was so mad at Truman for integrating the military that he broke away from his party and ran against him. Yet, Republican politicians in Congress feted and praised him until they finally were held to account for it.

And, of course, there was Reagan's campaign adviser, Lee Atwater. Since I won't put the N word here and it is spelled out over and over in his wiki, I direct you to his wiki. Look for the subhead "Southern Strategy."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Atwater#1980_election

And, of course, after Obama was elected, that party went batshit racist as a national strategy.

If you want to say Douglas was more racist than Lincoln, I'm right there with you. You want to say the Democratic Part is more racist than Republicans or that Carter today is only two steps above an average rethug, like POS real life thug and crook Issa, you'll be laughed off the board.

Speaking of boards, I googled "recovering racist." FREEP was the first hit google gave me. "Just a fact, nothing else."

Well he may be decent now


but he is a recovering racist. In fact the Democratic Party has a long, rich history of racism. Just a fact, nothing else. And yeah, now he's a couple of steps above the modern rethug. I'll agree to that.

[heaven05]

30. pissed you off huh?

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well when he was running for governor 1970 he was asked, documented, what about the then so-called 'negro vote'. He said he didn't need the 'negro' vote. Yeah I know all about this country's rich and continuing racism. Historical and present. Jimmy Carter was a racist. His southern culture demanded it, his constituency demanded it and no amount of lipstick on a pig will change my view. Yeah he's changed and gotten older also. Does not change what he was in the beginning of his political career. Someone mentioned what a christian man he was. Most southern christians historically backed slavery, and insisted on segregation including your revered carter. No, a person who held on to racist beliefs at any time in their life is still a racist to me. 'Changed' or not. All your 'links' mean nothing to me. I know what kind of person he was/is. Douglas? Lincoln? Who cares. I'm speaking of Carter only. Laugh all you want. Means nothing to me. I call bullshit to your response. JUST A FACT! Any person can observe what despicable characters republicans, these days since nixon/reagan, have been. I don't have to even mention them to state historical fact about carter. Oh and I never said he was the worst POTUS, or believe that. Bush was/is the all time leader of that pack. Carter was not in that pack. Historically, he had his problems when it came to racial issues and that is my only focus here. So has the Democratic Party and some democrats, still. Zimpigs trial comments on this board showed me that.. Obama, to me, rectified all past issues I had with the Democratic Party. And, by the way, lifelong democrat here, in spite of the problems my party had/has.

[G_j]

36. your repeated use of the word "FACT" is disconcerting

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If you are so insistent on your "FACTS" where are your links?

[heaven05]

39. Links?

don't need them. Documented historical FACT is out there for anyone to easily find. I will not, cannot fall into that link trap or do research for you. I voted for carter. I liked the visions he had and what he tried to do about our addiction to oil. Nothing, I repeat nothing changes historical FACT about his southern roots or culture. Period.

[G_j]

41. Southern culture

and Carter's individual history are two seperate issues. If you were not throwing the term "fact" around everywhere, I wouldn't be asking. And no, it's not my job to prove or disprove your allegations.

[heaven05]

43. "southern culture and carter's individual history are two seperate issues"

okay, if YOU say so. Keep believing it. No allegations, just know something about the man and his culture and political history. Yeah by the 70's carter was talking of the need to end segregation. Okay. But he also was an admirer of George Wallace. No matter what change Wallace went through at the end of his life, he was a vicious and evil racist in my book and always will be, right up there with lester maddox. Guilty by association. Believe what you will, I shall believe what I want to also.

[G_j]

46. well

your (non sourced) statement that Carter admired Wallace is the only specific you have mentioned. Other than that, you seem to be asserting (correct me if I'm wrong) that any white person growing up in southern culture is a racist.

[heaven05]

53. a lot are

there are NO absolutes in this world. Any southerner? No. A lot of southerners, northerners, easterners and westerners are. For sure.

[merrily]

58. Yes, a lot are and a lot aren't, yet you insist Carter is because he war

born in the South.

Why even bother to post fact free, link free noise like that on Democratic website? Surely, you must know no one here is going to believe you. Is so you can practice typing? Because that is the only productive outcome of your fact free, link free smears that I can think of.

[heaven05]

61. All this fact free, link free nonsense

is just that. You can like the man. Your right. I don't, won't and never will. No smears just know what the man and his culture is/was about. I don't care if no one agrees with me or believes me.

[cordelia]

72. Nutjob Michael Medved fan?

Other right wingers?

Sounds like his rantings - which I do listen to from time to time for a laugh. NOT to spread his (and the right wingers') horseshit.

[heaven05]

73. I don't know of him

and I am not a right winger. I did vote for Carter. Just don't like some of his background. Period. I do not hold him in the high esteem some/most do on this site. Democrat or not he had me wondering about many things related to his early political career all the way up to him being POTUS. Some of his southern attitudes concerning blacks and race did slip into public record from time to time.

[merrily]

104. The fact that he integrated Georgia slipped into to the public record, too.

So have all the wonderful things he's done for people of every color all around the world.

It doesn't take holding him in high esteem to acknowledge that and STFU about his racism, or admit he has more than redeemed anything you claim.

Unless of course, you, who share the culture you claim just had to have made him a racist, have outshone him as to equal rights and caring about ALL people.


Frankly, I don't care who you claim to have voted for 40 years ago. Zell Miller probably voted for Carter, too. I also don't care how much you diss Republicans. I've seen that before from people who later got tossed off message boards for being stealth Republicans. It's happened here, sometimes after many, many posts.

Speaking of facts, let's review some:

You are not an especially frequent poster, but you showed up here in the middle of a right wing campaign to smear Carter to smear Carter as a racist on this board. You used a phrase, "recovering racist" that was being used on FREEP just about that same minute and was all over other right wing websites. Now you claim that Google got it wrong.

Again and again, you have refused to post links for the source of your information, preferring to be dissed, rather than reveal the websites from where you are getting your information. Few sincere posters ever put up with that, yet continue to refuse to provide links. Someone, also not a frequent poster, shows up soon after, to let you know a DU jury is okay with your accusations.

So, will I be running into at the next Democratic conventiion?

[heaven05]

109. okay, here is why I

cannot stomach carter. 10 years or so ago, Habitat for Humanity bought or were donated some land across the street from me. Plenty of quiet space with lots of trees, greenery, habitats for many woodland animals, a place to meditate on and in. We had 13 houses total in my alcove at that time. HFH came in and just decimated all our woodlands and started building their houses. The noise and street disruption was excruciating. This disruption went on until there were 15 habitat homes. No community talk was offered about this project. The township just wanted more tax base so they didn't object. I mention that SOME families have had serious problems and that has caused continuing police problems. The problems are not confined to any one race or creed. The families that moved in are racially diverse and for the most part, nice, hardworking families. I cast no net dispersions. But what some brought into our quiet neighborhood is objectionable. Period.. I mean the whole HFH project ran roughshod over our objections to so many homes destroying the integrity of our neighborhood. I objected, along with one other brave neighbor to the township, they said tough. I wrote carter and national HFH about this situation. Never got a word back. The response after a meeting with the local HFH officials? Tough, we will build as many houses as we please, deal with it. All the idealism about HFH is admirable, yet out here in the trenches, it is a different story. That made me do research into the man carter that I didn't think about much before this happened. Okay, his early political career was not sterling enough for me. Still feel that way. But the organization he is prominently associated with and speaks for is not sensitive to the negative implications of their building willy nilly in established neighborhoods. I, essentially, have lived in a HFH village for the last ten years or so and I don't like it. This organization touts helping people get back on their feet and all that but care nothing about the integrity of neighborhoods they destroy. I know I'm opening up myself to more scorn, so be it. I have had to live through a total disruption of the neighborhood I enjoyed for 10 years before HFH, so I do not like him or his so called humanitarian efforts with HFH. My local politicians who would not even respond to my neighbors and my queries as to why no community involvement was asked for in the decision to destroy the ambiance of our area. So along with his not so sterling early political career and my personal introduction to his humanitarian efforts with an organization that feels no responsibility toward the neighborhoods they invade, no I don't and never will respect the man. I know firsthand about the outcome of one of his humanitarian efforts. So if my lack of respect for him makes me, a democrat, a bad person to be scorned because of my disdain for the way HFH runs roughshod over established neighborhoods with their building, then so be it. And I have been very contented with this site. I don't post that much, but I do respond to the OP's. Don't try to make me some kind of troll or something. I don't need you casting your implied dispersions. Some people on this site are good for that. The zimpig trial brought that home to me loud and clear

[merrily]

110. Where to begin?

You finally admit that you have been calling him a racist because a charitable organization that he founded to help homeless people supposedly was inconsiderate of your neighborhood?

First, I have no reason to believe that either.

Second, assuming it's true, why in hell are you holding him responsible? Because he founded a charity? Do you think he directs its day to day operations?

FDR founded the March of Dimes. If an employee of the M of D had been rude to someone, would that have been FDR's fault?

What a piece of work.

[heaven05]

114. I expected your kind of response

and yes just like you, I am a piece of work. Just my reaction to my destroyed neighborhood and you missed the part where I said, I still don't like his and hamilton jordens early political career tactics and never will. You are part of the bunch on here that never walks or tries to walk in someone else's shoe's, just judges. Fine. Nuff said.

[merrily]

116. He had nothing to do with it and your beef is with your town anyway.

Your town is in charge of telling people what they can and cannot do inside the town, not Habitat for Humanity.

As for Jimmy Carter not answering your letter, get real. He never heard about it or you. Do you really think they forward him a complaint letter about Habitat for Humanity building where the town allows them to build. Do you really think a past President is doing customer relations for HH?

He founded the charity and helps raise money for it. That's it. Get real.

I think you just are bent and determined for labeling him a racist.

[merrily]

102. Oh, please. No one said anything about your right to like or dislike him.

My responses have been about your smearing a good man with a racist label, fact free and link free.

If you call the man who integrated Georgia a racist, and refuse to give links, shame on you.


You keep citing his culture, but you say you come from the same one, so you dug your own hole on that one.


Glad you don't care if no one here believes you. That way you won't be disappointed.

PS Nothing nonsensical about reminding you that you are calling a good man racist over and over fact free and link free. Ask anyone on this this board.

[merrily]

57. I googled before my first reply to him.

Unless you consider FREEP and similar sites authoritative on Carter's qualities, don't waste your time.

ETA: While I hesitate to guess about why conservatives do things, Carter has spoken out a lot about racism from the right toward President Obama. I think that may be the reason they are going out of their way to smear Carter with the racist label.

Then again, they have a whole campaign of attempting to tear down Democratic Presidents and other Democratic politicians who have popular with America, while attempting to rehab racists like Barry States Rights Dog Whistle Goldwater and Eisenhower and batshit Joe McCarthy. Just about every time I turn around, one winger or another is making the rounds publicizing some new history revision book or another. Democrats? Not so much. We need to wake up. Wish I'd majored in history--or even just knew a lot of it.

[jsr]

64. Wingnuts have been running a smear campaign against Carter

all over the net. And on here.

[merrily]

65. Nice. The man's 89.

What threat can he possibly be to them at this point?

Wait. Wasn't Carter's grandson involved with making public the infamous tape of Romney talking about 47% of Americans being takers?

[merrily]

56. I call bullshit. And yes, you do need links, or you reveal a lot.

Who do you think you're fooling?

If the info is so easy to find, why are so willing to be made to look shameful, rather than providing the links? Is it because you don't want to show which kind of websites are publishing the crap you are repeating here?


Again, the other day when I googled the term you used in your first post on this thread, "recovering racist," the first hit Google returned was FREEP. Now, that's a fact. (I say that because you seem to have no concept of what a fact is.)

[heaven05]

63. Google on. I use a different search engine.

and I get something completely different from the search engine most people have responded with and used. Google is a joke and not the only search engine on this planet. I laugh at how people are led to use something with no one questioning why. No question in my mind. I don't care what you think of me. I lived in the south, know what southern culture has bred into our society and that is racism, hate, segregation, stupidity and ignorance. These are facts that are shameful in our so called democracy. You like carter? Fine. Your right. I don't, won't and never will. NEVER. Respond to that. And I'll respond further. When carter campaigned for governor he distributed photos of his challenger Carl Saunders being embraced by black basketball players and the KKK used them as a wedge against Saunders. Jimmy Carter pledged, during his campaign, that if elected he would invite george wallace, the infamous alabama racist, to georgia. He also said he was equally proud to have lester maddox as his lt. gov. Public record. So don't give me any shameful garbage. Not ashamed to stand up to people who think they know something but remain in the dark with no clue.

[merrily]

66. Speaking of shameful garbage, whatever he did or did not do, he's more than redeemed himself.

He campaigned on civil rights when he ran. He integrated the state, as far as a Governor can do. That alone more than redeemed him from anything you mentioned (assuming it's true).

He's probably done ten times more for equal rights and people of all hues in one year than most of us do in a lifetime. It's shameful to smear him.

One of thousands of examples:

http://www.cartercenter.org/health/guinea_worm/mini_site/facts.html

[G_j]

69. in the old days here at DU,

it was expected that people would back up their statements with links. It was a matter of integrity and pride that we expected and demanded sources. There is plenty of unfounded, unsubstantiated nonsense on the Internet. We should be above that, but we obviously no longer are. It's a pity. It diminishes all of us.

[heaven05]

71. okay link-source

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I read a statement in a book, yes I still read books. The book was published 2003. 'A voting rights odyssey: black enfranchisement in georgia. Laughlin Mcdonald director of voting rights project of ACLU. In carter's early political career, he was less than enthusiastic with his support of civil rights. Page 65. Now this started me looking into things related to his political career. His 1970 campaign for governor in georgia had racist implication with those photos hamilton jordan was handing out to smear Saunders, carter's challenger. Yes he has awards for his work now. Great. He's a good citizen. I did not mean to start such a argument with my statement. Yet, I still don't like his beginnings, his governorship campaign promises and tactics and I don't like him because of that. Humanitarian now or not. Having lived in the 'southern culture' in the 50's and 60's I can claim knowledge of the racist nature of, I lived in Georgia, the southern culture. You cannot take my experiences in that culture and say they did not mean anything related to southern culture. Most white in those days were not friends with minorities. So that is my source of knowledge of what southern culture and most of it's people are/were about. Not trying to diminish anyone. America should be above racism, stupidity and ignorance,yet obviously were are not and THAT diminishes us all.

[alittlelark]

88. Do you not know how to post links?

I could teach you if need be....

[heaven05]

108. no I don't

[alittlelark]

122. cut and paste the url into your text.

Find the citation online, then 'copy' it from the address bar (scroll down 'edit', select 'copy')... 'paste' it where you want it to be in your reply. It will be clickable to others.

[heaven05]

123. thank you

[merrily]

119. Still not ringing true.

Again, the very first time he ran for statewide office, he ran on equal rights and lost because of that, then went right back and ran on civil rights again. And very soon after he got into office as governor, he announced that the time of segregation in Georgia was over.

That's from the Georgia encyclopedia I cited upthread.

So, what early political career are we talking about?

I can claim knowledge of the racist nature of, I lived in Georgia, the southern culture.

You keep saying that Carter has to be a racist because of the Southern culture. So, according to you, you must a racist, too.

[LanternWaste]

112. our remembrances of history is flawed, our search engine is flawed, and our asking you to cite sour

Well, our remembrances of history is flawed, our search engine is flawed, and our asking you to cite sources for your allegations is flawed. Pretty convenient way to hold a one-sided argument there, little fella...

[heaven05]

115. thanks little fella

[merrily]

54. Sorry, no. I have no idea who you are and think very

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little of your posts and utterly fact-free smearing of any person as racist. Ergo, you are not important enough to me to arouse strong emotion.

Don't know why so many posters like to imagine other posters are enraged over them, or some news story or whatever because they get a reply. I log in to message board because I intend to post. Duh.

You did make me suspicious, though. Still do. Most of all I did not want to leave your accusations, bullshit that FREEP was reveling over that same hour, without factual response. A lot of people read on this board.

well when he was running for POTUS, he was asked, documented, what about the then so-called 'negro vote'. He said he didn't need the 'negro' vote.

Oh, for the love of God.

That is a numbers of votes issue, not a racism issue. Demographics considered in every single election. I can't believe you post on a political board, yet lack awareness of something like that. That you leapt to the conclusion that Carter was racist from a statement like that is ridiculous. Seems like you are just so anxious to believe a very decent man who was a Democratic President is racist. The Governor who integrated Georgia. Do you grasp what a political risk that was to him at that time?

But you don't give a link or any context. Was a reporter asking this question? His campaign advisor? Where did you come up with this nugget of info anyway? Same place you got the term "recovering racist?"

Jimmy Carter was a racist. His southern culture demanded it, his constituency demanded it and no amount of lipstick on a pig will change my view.

and

All your 'links' mean nothing to me. I know what kind of person he was/is. Douglas? Lincoln? Who cares. I'm speaking of Carter only. Laugh all you want. Means nothing to me. I call bullshit to your response. J

Really? You know what kind of person Carter was? That's rich. When did you meet him?

Calling anyone racist simply because he or she was born in the South is shameful. And as my first response and this one indicate, Carter lost one election because of his equal rights position and then ran on it again. Then he integrated Georgia.

I don't especially like the posting style of calling facts lipstick on a pig as you smear a man who won a Humanitarian Award as a racist. And if your mind is so closed that no amount of factual info or links sways it, what are doing on a political message board?


You call bullshit on links and facts? I call bullshit on you.

You know, come to think of it, I don't need to respond worry about anyone reading you posts. If they can make it through the one I'm replying to without ROFL or putting you on ignore, or both, they're probably unredeemable conservatives anyway. They seem unable to get enough of lying smears of Democrats, especially on the racism issue.

[Sissyk]

23. Transparency and all.

On Fri Mar 7, 2014, 11:45 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

well he may be decent now
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4626975

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

I googled "recovering racist" and the first hit was FREEP. Based on what his post says about the Democratic Party and Carter-- and what it does not say about Republican racism--I don't think my google hit was coincidental. Also I mentioned the FREEP hit in my reply.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Mar 7, 2014, 11:56 PM, and the Jury voted 0-6 to LEAVE IT.

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Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Explanation: Where is the CS violation you alerted on?? The poster can have an opinion on a public person even if we don't agree with it.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[merrily]

60. Transparency.

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You've outed me because I put in my first reply to heaven05 that I had googled "Carter is a recovering racist," and come up FREEP as well as putting it in my alert. I thought it would be a clue to the jurors about the motives and sincerity of the poster. Guess not.

I also don't see calling both the Democratic Party and Carter racist as simply having an opinion about Carter that is different from mine, but Oh, well

I don't mind being outed in this instance. I don't think I'll be wanting this person as a board buddy and I obviously don't fear having him as an opponent. And, if he ever put a +1 after one of my posts, I'd be embarrassed and quickly reconsider whatever point my post made.

But, I do wonder why you wanted to post that? Seems as though it would only encourage him or her to keep making posts calling Carter and the Democratic Party racist.

[eShirl]

50. I smell a steaming pile

of something

[L0oniX]

68. Have you even read about his childhood?

[heaven05]

75. his childhood

with patriarch Earl Sr? yes

[L0oniX]

78. You are clueless.

http://www.biography.com/people/jimmy-carter-9240013

<snip>Despite this pervasive segregation, two of Carter's closest childhood friends were African American, as were two of the most influential adults in his life, his nanny Annie Mae Hollis and his father's worker Jack Clark.

Enjoy your stay.

[heaven05]

79. just because everyone like pres. carter does not mean I have to like him.

I don't really like the man or his early politics. Nothing clueless or offensive. People are offended because I don't like him, tough. I will enjoy my stay. thank you.

[L0oniX]

80. You said he was a "recovering racist" ...and that is bullshit!

[heaven05]

82. according to you

I have my ideas about the man and his early politics and that is that for me. You can defend him till the end of time. I have my mind made up about him and that is that. I will not budge. I will not back off any statement I made about Pres. carter and that's that. You're entitled to your opinion of him. Your right. I just don't agree with it.

[L0oniX]

83. I don't have to defend him. His bio says enough about his unbringing and his friends to refute

your "recovering racist" opinion.

[heaven05]

84. fine

whatever you say. I have my opinion and I'll stick with it. His bio, friends, awards and all notwithstanding. I'm through with this conversation. I will not change my opinion of him.

[L0oniX]

86. I'll bet you never read anything about his childhood friends.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

76. europeans and americans have a long rich history of racism. nt

[tabasco]

13. Fuck you "Bobby" Jindal too.

He's not fit to breathe the same air as Jimmy Carter.

[silvershadow]

14. Amen.

[blackspade]

15. Why is anyone attacking Carter?

He is tremendous human being.
He is still at the top of my Presidents list of my lifetime!

[merrily]

18. My guess? So that they can reinforce the RW meme that

"Carter was the worst President ever" and dilute the impact of that title on W.

[blackspade]

24. Good luck with that....

[merrily]

25. I don't know why I need luck to guess, but thanks?

[blackspade]

42. Apologies, I wasn't being clear.

Good luck to the folks trying to make Carter look worse than Bush II electric boogaloo.
Carter is a great person and a good President. Bush? Not so much.....

[newthinking]

91. They have to. Because he is religious and an incredible man

The right wing has to constantly demonize him, because otherwise, with his background, he might have an affect on Religious conservatives.
The man literally is an example of the better side of Christianity. If Right wing Christians are busy frothing on falsities they are less likely to notice.

[blackspade]

95. That's a good point.

As a deeply religious man, he is a much better example to Christians than the Robertsons and Falwells of the world.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

19. Some context? I don't have TV

[merrily]

26. I do, but I haven't been attentive. Might be this?

http://www.eonline.com/news/518908/donald-trump-kills-off-jimmy-carter-in-cpac-speech-never-thought-he-was-alive-as-president

[Pretzel_Warrior]

27. Could be. He must have short term memory loss. Shrub was hovering in the

Teens for job approval his final year in office. Who am I kidding? Trump is a spoiled shit son of a NYC slum lord who was born on third base and thinks he hit a home run.

Who cares what that cretin thinks?

[merrily]

28. My opinion? The issue is meme, not memory.

When Democrats and even some Republicans were calling Bush the worst president ever, hard core Republicans would respond not even close; no President has ever been worse than Carter, etc.

So, now, they're saying Obama is even worse than Carter, which--in their meme-- would move W up to at least 3rd, and who ever talks about the 3rd worst President ever?

It's part racism, part partisan, part rehabbing President Dubyass and part lead up to November, all rolled into one.

[Bonobo]

20. Also a more decent human being than any other president of the US. Ever. nt

[PowerToThePeople]

21. Obvious is Obvious.

Not trying to make fun, what you say is 100% true.

[bluestate10]

22. If the majority of people in this country had followed Carter's suggestions on energy,

many dead soldiers would be alive today and the nation and world would most likely be energy secure, having moved to renewable energy years back.

[otherone]

33. he is a visionary

[otherone]

32. agreed

kr
mdmc
peace and low stress

[gulliver]

34. Did someone say Ronald Reagan was a less decent human being than any Democrat?

If not, allow me.

It's an amazing world where a serious, smart, honest man like Carter is turned into a whipping boy while a fraudulent, half-addled Mama's boy (who was a lousy football player) is worshiped.

[William Seger]

35. Probably our most decent and honest President, ever

That's what a real Christian looks like, and Republicans hate him. Go figger...

[MoonRiver]

37. He was too decent and honest for his own good.

Didn't play the lie and cheat game.

[Lizzie Poppet]

45. Well, sure. But that's setting the bar pretty low, don'tcha think?

[DrewFlorida]

47. Jimmy Carter is not only a better human being than any rethug, he is better than most of any.....

political point of view. Donald Trump is a piece of dog feces.

[madokie]

49. You dang right he is

I'd take a bullet for president Carter, where as I'd take a piss on tRump

[ErikJ]

51. He had to go-he pissed off the Fossil Fuel industry.

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When he put solar on the roof and mandated the US 20% solar by...2000.

[malaise]

52. He was light years ahead of them

If only they had listened to him - ah well the Germans did listen.

[calimary]

93. And ronald reagan thoughtfully had the solar works on the White House roof removed.

Another reason to revere President Carter and further despise that reagan asshole. I think the bad guys are just really desperate to start whitewashing dubya's reputation as the Hands-Down-WORST-president-EVVVVERRRRR in hopes of smoothing a path for little brother jebbie. Nationally he's about all they've got for 2016. And for now, I think the "no more bushes - EVVVVERRRRR!!!" mood in America is still pretty prevalent. Most of us have not forgotten and sure aren't about to forget now.

[jsr]

62. Google "jimmy carter racist" ----> breitbart.com, nationalreview.com, newsrealblog.com et al

'Nuf said.

[L0oniX]

67. Jimmy is more decent than the majority of people IMO.

[polly7]

74. I think so too.

I'm just trying to imagine how different the world would be if every country had a leader like him .... at the same time.

[hobbit709]

77. A box of rocks would be a more decent human being.

[spanone]

81. it's lovely that this thread is still thriving....God bless President Jimmy Cater

[Corey_Baker08]

85. Fuck You Bobby Jindall for Your Comments at CPAC

piece of shit trashing both the current & former President of the United States in one sentence...it makes me sick

[calimary]

94. Amen.

[Tsiyu]

89. I second both statements

and K & R

Carter was the first president I cast a ballot for as a newly minted registered voter.

He was and is for real.

The Repukes and their ilk are UNreal - in more ways than one.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

96. Goes without saying

[WinkyDink]

97. NS, S.

[Octafish]

98. Jimmy Carter, USN, is an Atomic Hero of the United States of America and Canada

A very brave officer of the United States Navy, Lt. James Earle Carter, Jr., personally led the effort to contain a reactor meltdown.



Jimmy Carter and Fukushima

Apr 2nd 2011, 11:42 by K.N.C. | TOKYO
The Economist

EXCERPT...

The fear and danger is beyond comprehension for most people, and in particular the political leaders who must order men in to danger. But interestingly, it is not unfamiliar to former American president Jimmy Carter. Nearly half a century ago, as a young naval officer, he led a 23-man team to dismantle a reactor that, like Fukushima, had partially melted down.

The reactor in Chalk River, Canada, about 180 kilometres (110 miles) from Ottawa, was used to enrich plutonium for America's atomic bombs. On December 12th 1952 it exploded, flooding the reactor building’s basement with millions of litres of radioactive water. Lieutenant Carter, a nuclear specialist on the Seawolf submarine programme, and his men were among the few people with the security clearance to enter a reactor. From Schenectady, New York, they rode the train up and got straight to work.

"The radiation intensity meant that each person could spend only about ninety seconds at the hot core location," wrote Mr Carter in "Why Not the Best?", an autobiography published in 1975 when he was campaigning for the presidency.

The team built an exact replica of the reactor on a nearby tennis court, and had cameras monitor the actual damage in the reactor's core. "When it was our time to work, a team of three of us practised several times on the mock-up, to be sure we had the correct tools and knew exactly how to use them. Finally, outfitted with white protective clothes, we descended into the reactor and worked frantically for our allotted time," he wrote. "Each time our men managed to remove a bolt or fitting from the core, the equivalent piece was removed on the mock-up."

CONTINUED...

http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2011/04/japans_nuclear_clean-up

[malaise]

106. Thanks for this

I did not know