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villager

(26,001 posts)
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 06:00 PM Mar 2014

CNN: "It's time to break up the NSA"

The NSA has become too big and too powerful. What was supposed to be a single agency with a dual mission -- protecting the security of U.S. communications and eavesdropping on the communications of our enemies -- has become unbalanced in the post-Cold War, all-terrorism-all-the-time era.

Putting the U.S. Cyber Command, the military's cyberwar wing, in the same location and under the same commander, expanded the NSA's power. The result is an agency that prioritizes intelligence gathering over security, and that's increasingly putting us all at risk. It's time we thought about breaking up the National Security Agency.

Broadly speaking, three types of NSA surveillance programs were exposed by the documents released by Edward Snowden. And while the media tends to lump them together, understanding their differences is critical to understanding how to divide up the NSA's missions

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The second is bulk surveillance, the NSA's collection of everything it can obtain on every communications channel to which it can get access. This includes things such as the NSA's bulk collection of call records, location data, e-mail messages and text messages.

This is where the NSA overreaches: collecting data on innocent Americans either incidentally or deliberately, and data on foreign citizens indiscriminately. It doesn't make us any safer, and it is liable to be abused. Even the director of national intelligence, James Clapper, acknowledged that the collection and storage of data was kept a secret for too long.

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http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/20/opinion/schneier-nsa-too-big/

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CNN: "It's time to break up the NSA" (Original Post) villager Mar 2014 OP
Yup. nt riderinthestorm Mar 2014 #1
K&R. Break it up and dipose of the bulk-collection division LittleBlue Mar 2014 #2
+1 daleanime Mar 2014 #9
Perhaps we should follow the Russian lead and air the phone conversations. Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #3
LOL. Break up the NSA. Who and with whose army? The NSA is possibly more powerful rhett o rick Mar 2014 #4
Well, Snowden worked for the CIA, I bet the CIA and its heads like Patraeus, who got into trouble jakeXT Mar 2014 #6
I think the CIA and NSA are in the cabal. Just sayin. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #8
The CIA, the NSA, the FBI, the DEA, and Homeland Security. bvar22 Mar 2014 #13
The defenders are those that are afraid of the truth. They live in denial bubbles and get bitter rhett o rick Mar 2014 #16
And they've been eavesdropping on congress as well. grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #23
I doubt if it's a surprise to Congress. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #24
If we don't do something soon we will end up living in a nation far worse than the one portrayed spin Mar 2014 #5
It depends what you want it to actually do. jeff47 Mar 2014 #7
Um. It already is. CIA, NSA, NRO, NGIP, GDIP, Justice Dept, ODNI, DOD's SRP, DFCIP, DHS, ED, SD, AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #10
You missed at least one, DEA .... efficiency is not in the intelligence budget .... nt MindMover Mar 2014 #11
Damn, you're right. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #12
WOW... a decent article with depth and context from CNN. bvar22 Mar 2014 #14
Who knew they'd be capable of it!? villager Mar 2014 #15
And now it will be on the "bad source" black list. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #17
Good article blackspade Mar 2014 #18
OH NOES! This would validate everything Snowden did... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #19
Bruce Schneier, he's the man. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #20
Break up CNN first. SoapBox Mar 2014 #21
Why "first," instead of "too?" villager Mar 2014 #22
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
4. LOL. Break up the NSA. Who and with whose army? The NSA is possibly more powerful
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 06:11 PM
Mar 2014

than the president. Congress cant walk and chew gum let alone break up the NSA.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
6. Well, Snowden worked for the CIA, I bet the CIA and its heads like Patraeus, who got into trouble
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 06:19 PM
Mar 2014

for an email affair, would love to have a weaker NSA.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
13. The CIA, the NSA, the FBI, the DEA, and Homeland Security.
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 07:31 PM
Mar 2014

The Monster has many heads,
and many defenders.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
16. The defenders are those that are afraid of the truth. They live in denial bubbles and get bitter
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 07:44 PM
Mar 2014

and lash out at whistle-blowers, investigative journalists, progressives, and anyone else that dares to speak truth to power and challenge their denial bubbles. I think their obsession with the punishment of Snowden is their own distraction from the truth.

spin

(17,493 posts)
5. If we don't do something soon we will end up living in a nation far worse than the one portrayed
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 06:17 PM
Mar 2014

in George Orwell's novel Nineteen Eighty-Four.

Soon you will have to be very careful what you say here on DU.

Another thing to remember is that if we continue down the path we are now on, the rich will become richer and we will all slave for them.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
7. It depends what you want it to actually do.
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 06:27 PM
Mar 2014

The problem with just splitting the "defenders" from the "attackers" is the "attackers" have a history of not sharing all their techniques. For example, the CIA has a history of not sharing human spying techniques with the FBI.

I'd argue the best split is between the developers and the implementers. The NSA develops new technology to attack and defend communications and networks. Agency-to-be-named-later is actually responsible for implementing the attacks. Agency-to-be-named-later-#2 is responsible for implementing the defenses.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
10. Um. It already is. CIA, NSA, NRO, NGIP, GDIP, Justice Dept, ODNI, DOD's SRP, DFCIP, DHS, ED, SD,
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 07:00 PM
Mar 2014

even the fucking treasury has a hand in the Intelligence 'black budget'.

Overlap, and duplication of effort everywhere.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
14. WOW... a decent article with depth and context from CNN.
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 07:35 PM
Mar 2014

CNN even rightly credited Edward Snowden.

Worth a Rec from me.


 

villager

(26,001 posts)
22. Why "first," instead of "too?"
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 08:42 PM
Mar 2014

More localized control we can have over our governance, or our media, the better.

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