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Republicans Have Found Their Dream Leader and His Name Is Vladimir PutinBy: Rmuse at Politicus USA
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/03/10/republicans-dream-leader-vladimir-putin.html
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Another conservative pundit praised Putin because he likes to hang out with his shirt off and tells the West if you mess with me Ill kill you all. Even half-term, half-wit Sarah Palin compared the conservatives hero with President Obama and said, people look at Putin as one who wrestles bears and drills for oil, and our President wears mom jeans and equivocates. Another Fox analyst said, In Putin, youve got a big strong guy, muscular and shirtless on a horse who wrestles tigers, while the President wears mom jeans. It is unclear why conservatives are obsessed with mom jeans, whatever they are, but it is likely to compare President Obamas diplomacy first foreign policy with a big shirtless leader who subscribes to the George W. Bush foreign policy of pre-emptively invading sovereign nations; the conservatives idea of a real leader.
However, as much as Republicans are enamored with Putins rapid decision to invade Ukraine without going to the United Nations or a reason other than he wanted to, it is the religious right that would install Putin as Americas theocratic dictator tomorrow if they could convince Americans to amend the Constitution to allow a Christian foreigner to rule America. The religious right regards Putin as their archetypical leader because he made it Russian policy to do what Christian fanatics yearn for in America; crackdown on gays and make Christianity the state religion. In fact, Christians anointed Putin the defender of the Christian civilization or as Christian zealot Bryan Fischer asserted, Putin is the lion of Christianity, the defender of Christian values, the president thats calling his nation back to embracing its identity as a nation founded on Christian values. To ever think we would get to the day that Russia would be more advanced spiritually than the United States. I mean, its just staggering to see what is happening to this country.
Fischer, like nearly all evangelical Christians heaped praise on Putin for signing a ban on gay propaganda and gushed that this is public policy that weve been advocating and here is a nation in the world that is actually putting it into practice. It was reported here yesterday that the World Congress of Families (WFC) summit meeting (Pro-Life Olympics) is still being held in Moscow despite Putins invasion of Ukraine. As noted in the article, the communications director of the WCF justified, exonerated, and extolled Putins behavior because Putin is behaving a lot like George W Bush by pre-emptively invading a sovereign nation. Although Bush never claimed he was defending Christian civilization by hunting down gays, banning abortion advertising, and likely ban abortion, there is little doubt he would have if he had the authority. As an aside, abortion is the top birth control method in Russia because contraception is prohibitively expensive; something Christians yearn for in America as evidence by their rabid opposition to contraception coverage in healthcare prescription plans.
Americans should not be deluded that if they had the opportunity, Republicans would install a Putin-like character as president in a heartbeat. Their praise of Putins decisive leadership in invading a sovereign nation like George W. Bush, and staunch support for a state-mandated Christian religion authorizing the hunting down and brutalizing of gays signals their intent for America if they were left unchecked. The argument that conservatives and Republicans love Putin because he is the polar opposite of President Obama has some merit but misses the bigger point entirely. It is true that Republicans hate that President Obama defends and supports the Constitutions guarantee of equal rights for all Americans, and they cannot tolerate the Presidents diplomacy first foreign policy, but what they want in a president is a Christian dictator who, like Putin and George W. Bush, invades sovereign nations on a whim, and forces Christianity down the throats of every American under threat of death. It is true that Republicans have found their archetype to rule over America, but since Vladimir Putin cannot run for the presidency, Ted Cruz, Mike Huckabee, Paul Ryan, and Rick Santorum all have presidential aspirations and a prototype in Russian president Putin to model themselves when the 2016 Republican primaries begin.
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okaawhatever
(9,457 posts)Who knew? Do any of the Dr. Seuss books explain irony because i'd love to send Sarah and Ted one.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)kairos12
(12,841 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)Thanks for the inspiration:
An Izvestia writer named Stazy,
Said "Putin must surely be crazy".
But Vladimir heard,
The discouraging word,
And now Stazy is pushing up Daizies.
kairos12
(12,841 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Christianist, nationalist, authoritarian.
applegrove
(118,462 posts)go west young man
(4,856 posts)The former Soviet Union was atheist and anti christianity. The CIA fact book states that as of 2006 Russia was 2% christian and 15 to 20% Russian orthodox. As far as authoritarianism goes you've obviously never been in Russia because since they embraced capitalism there are no rules. Everyone just does as they please. Hence the reason it's such a crazy place.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/rs.html
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)The oligarchs can do as they please. Gay people can't say "I love you" louder than a whisper.
It's a freedom-loving place if you adopt the RNC's idea of freedom.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)to back up your statement? I cite the CIA fact book, what is your proof?
go west young man
(4,856 posts)unsubstantiated claim. And you know why? Because there is none.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)http://www.pewforum.org/2014/02/10/russians-return-to-religion-but-not-to-church/
http://en.ria.ru/russia/20131224/185903098/Orthodox-Christian-Belief-Rises-among-Russians--Poll.html
Two out of three Russians now regard themselves as Orthodox Christians compared to just one in six in 1989, when the Soviet Union was nearing dissolution.
Now that I have manually transferred your hindquarters to your possession, you may go.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)go west young man
(4,856 posts)Excerpt rom your own RIA Novosti link.
The number of Russian Catholics and Protestants has remained roughly the same, at about 1 percent.
About one in five Russians, or 19 percent, said that they had no religious belief compared to 75 percent in 1989, when the official position of the state was atheist, and 53 percent in 1991, after the Soviet collapse.
Most Orthodox believers are not regular church-goers, with only 4 percent saying that they attended services once a week. Some 35 percent said that they never went to Church, while 17 percent said that they attended services a few times a year.
The whole argument of the OP is mute as your own link clearly states christians and protestant equal 1 percent. Once again your pulling info from PEW polls that are obviously biased as technically the whole country is "under" the Russian Orthodox church with no one actually believing or attending. The CIA fact book cites this.
The last PEW poll you cited for Russia had half the population against alcohol, premarital sex and gambling. PEW may not be a very good source for info on Russia unless you seriously believe Russian abstain from all those things. Having been there 7 times I can say without a doubt Russia is not what PEW thinks it is unless they just polled that 1% in a church. Russia is a crazy country with a lot of religious symbolism but the people don't give a shit about any of it. And what logical explanation would there be for an entire country of Atheists to suddenly all be religious in 23 years. It makes no sense whatsoever.
Here's a link to Wiki religion in Russia page with completely different statistics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Russia
Here's an excerpt completely contradictor to your PEW poll.
Out of a population of 142,800,000 the survey found that 58,800,000 or 41% are Russian Orthodox, 9,400,000 or 6.5% are Muslims (including Sunni Islam, Shia Islam, and a majority of unaffiliated Muslims), 5,900,000 or 4.1% are unaffiliated Christians, 2,100,000 or 1.5% adhere to other Orthodox Churches (including Ukrainian, Georgian, Armenian and other churches), 1,700,000 or 1.2% are Pagans (including Rodism or "Rodnovery", Ætsæg Din, Caucasian Neopaganism and Uralic Neopaganism) or Tengrists (Turco-Mongol shamanic religions and new religions), 700,000 or 0.5% are Buddhists (mostly Vajrayana), 400,000 or 0.2% are Orthodox Old Believers, 300,000 or 0.2% are Protestants, 140,000 are adherents of Eastern religions including Hindus and Krishnaites, 140,000 are Catholics, 140,000 are Jews.[1][2] The Bahá'í Faith in Russia (Вера Бахаи , according to Association of Religion Data Archives was estimated at about 18,990 in 2005.[8] The remaining population is made up of 36,000,000 or 25% "spiritual but not religious" people, 18,600,000 or 13% atheist and non-religious people and 7,900,000 people or 5.5% of the total population who have deemed themselves "undecided".[1][2
go west young man
(4,856 posts)the article is written by a person who worked in polling for PEW. He cites the exact same scenario I am implying is off. His results however, deal with Judaism in America but apply to PEW as a whole. http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/149510/the-problem-with-the-pew-study
Here's an excerpt:
Where Pew falls especially short, though, is in its analysis of the Orthodox, a group that constitutes but 10 percent or so of the American Jewish population. However, Pew pays significant attention to the Orthodox, dividing this segment into three subcategories and focusing in other ways on this relatively small portion of American Jewry.
The problems begin with the subdivision. A case can be made that inasmuch as there are no subcategories for Reform and Conservatives, there shouldnt be for the Orthodox. The Reform are said to constitute three and a half times the number of Orthodox, on its face an absurd statistic. If the Orthodox have Modern and Haredi subcategories, why not subcategories for Reform, such as weak Reform or non-participating Reform?
Pew claims that all it does is rely on self-identity. It should not be able to have things both ways.
The reliance on self-identity is problematic because inevitably it means that persons included in the report as Orthodox may be thus identified because thats the only synagogue they are members of or go to, but who in fact are far from Orthodox in practice. Half a century ago in the American Jewish Year Book, Charles Liebman published a seminal study of the nominal Orthodox, people who in practice deviate significantly from Orthodox norms.
Over a period of more than two decades, I have been involved in what is called the Guttman research in Israel, focusing on the practices and beliefs of Israeli Jews. Guttman relies primarily on scaling, so that behavior and beliefsand not self-identityare the critical determinants of Orthodoxy. A case can be made for Pews preference for self-identity, but it needs to be accompanied by an acknowledgement that there is an alternative approach and that by including persons who by behavior and attitude are not Orthodox, the statistics for attrition away from Orthodox are badly skewed.
Essentially this seems to be the same problem of their polling for Russian Orthodox. All of Russia may say they "identify" but do they give a shit? The answer is no they don't.
And let me give you one more PEW study. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2013/03/18/pew-study-finds-msnbc-the-most-opinionated-cable-news-channel-by-far/ There is PEW for ya. They are saying that MSNBC is far more opinionated than Fox. Is that possible? After 20 years of Fox lies and horrible opinion that led to war, we have PEW saying MSNBC is more opinionated. PEW cannot be trusted.
intersectionality
(106 posts)... is different from what your first link indicates. So, we can assume that identification with a religions could be as low as 15% and as high as 75%, but probably somewhere in between. The only truth shown from this mess of statistical analysis, seemingly all methodologically flawed, but possibly one is accurate, is that we can observe a definite upward trend in religious identification since the fall of the wall. I don't believe that going to church has no correlation with being religious - I'm from West Texas and went to church every Sunday because my dad was a music minister. Most of my friends went to church either a few times a year or not at all. The vast majority are rabidly right wing/tea party. I think, and please feel free to correct me if you think otherwise, the number of people who identify with that type of ideology is much more significant than the attendance numbers you are posting for this specific conversation.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)But the key word is "identify". Read the article from the PEW pollster who says that anyone can "identify" themselves as something but do they actually practice or go to church or believe. Russia's entire culture has "identified" with the Orthodox church for hundreds of years but they haven't practiced religion in any large manner. Having spent plenty of time in Russia I can say without a doubt there are two types of people mainly visiting the churches (older babushkas-grannies and tourists) Men are rarely ever found there unless they are the priest...middle aged women are probably the 2nd largest group there and they come once in a blue moon to give money and pray. I have visited over 20 Russian orthodox churches throughout the Voronezh, Volgograd, Lipetsk and Moscow regions. The numbers for the PEW poll do not add up.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)We are supposed to hate Putin and Russia now, and love the fascist in the Ukraine.
Cha
(296,780 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)I don't have to love or hate anyone...I did not join that cult of personality.
And it is bullshit that they love Putin...they support the opposition in the Ukraine just like the democrats do, because the corporations want them too....Putin hate is just a point in the triangulation of public opinion to get it done.
John McCains Advice to Obama on Russia: Wake Up! Get Real!
Sen. John McCain blasted President Obama today for his handling of Russia, saying the crisis in Ukraine should serve as a wake-up call for the president about the Russian presidents intentions.
Its time we woke up about Vladimir Putin. Its time this administration got real, McCain, R-Ariz., said on the Senate floor. We are on the verge of possibly of seeing a move to re-assert the old Russian empire, which is Mr. Putins lifelong ambition.
This president does not understand Vladimir Putin. He does not understand his ambitions, McCain said. This president has never understood it. This president is the one who ridiculed Mitt Romney when Mitt Romney said the great enemy was Russia and its geopolitical threats.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/03/john-mccains-advice-to-obama-on-russia-wake-up-get-real/
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Hope so because that's what I think. Just like my opinion on Syria - there are no good guys.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)that principle was established by Bush and is in play even here on DU.
Once a villain is created they must be the most evil in history, and the other side are the good guys no matter what they do.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)And if you question that then you are with the evil one...that is how with us or against us works.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I wasn't sure since I think both sides suck.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)But you have to chose up sides to play the game.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,584 posts)It's the Eastern version of Catholicism.
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Cha
(296,780 posts)mahalo apple~
Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)Whatever it takes..
gulliver
(13,168 posts)I took it as just another putdown of Moms. Obama is weak, because he is like a Mom. A Mom with a big fat butt if you remember the SNL commercial. Mom's in jeans are contemptible. Thanks, Republicans. Didn't know that.
Rozlee
(2,529 posts)Have they seen Obama in swimming trunks? And Obama isn't the one who needs a Wonderbra. I remember when Dubya said he looked into Putin's eyes. I can look into Putin's eyes too. Because we're both 5 feet high. MY president is a hot hunky guy when he puts on his swimming trunks. THEIR crush is a wrinkly gnome with moobs.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)They used to rail against Communism and have attempted to brand Obama as "communist", and then they go on to praise an actual former Communist. Words cannot express how much it amazes me that their ODS has caused them to take all types of positions.
applegrove
(118,462 posts)Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)"The acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal people in reaction to the policies, statements, and the very existence of Barack Obama."
applegrove
(118,462 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)I recall arguing with racist baggers when he got elected. Of course, your IQ goes down trying that, I don't recommend it for any length of time. I just had this peculiarly American idea of all people being equal and that their opinions mattered, you know?
They said he had to be insane, because he was mixed race. it is their version of phrenology. Their claims ranged from his likehood to be feminine as one half of his brain was black, and the other half white, thus it was the male half.
The contention, lame brained as it was, would be that one cannot be both, so one will be dangerously unstable. As far as that feminine side, women are not capable of leading since they are too emotional and can't do math. Yes, they still parrot that trash.
After arguing all of that, they said I must have voted for him because of white guilt. Which I denied, saying that I'd voted for his white half, LOL!
sheshe2
(83,637 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)Yes,
William769
(55,142 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,145 posts)Not based on any admiration for the man himself (at least I hope not), but more out of tinfoilery conspiracy notions that the US/West are engaged in certain machinations of which Putin's Russia is the victim.
GRACIEBIRD
(94 posts)and a stupid article.
All the republican war mongering fucks I see on TV want to start WW3 and talk about standing up to Putin and rewarming the cold war.
So the article is saying that the Republican warmongers are in love with Putin but they want to start WW3 with him. Isn't that stupid?
applegrove
(118,462 posts)take on how the GOP has been putting down the president in this foreign policy crisis. Which no opposition party used to do to the Commander in chief till Benghazi. This is just bringing the Putin strong/Obama weak memw to a ridiculus conclusion to make a point.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,264 posts)Examples:
Look, the bottom line on this is Russia has a real leader. You may not like him, and I don't, but he is brilliant and ruthless, he has clear goals and he moves straight toward those goals.
Putin is a strong man. ... Putin is willing to go it alone. . Putin believes (multilateralism, LGBT rights, abortion) is the road to national annihilation.
Putin is certainly not a good guy, but he is not the villain in this...Putin has also been forced to deploy military assets to Crimea...In addition to deploying military assets in Crimea, Putin has contacted his allies in at least eight other strategically located countries to assure that Russia has access to those countries military facilities so Putins forces can extend their long-range naval and strategic bomber capabilities. In other words, the U.S. interference in Ukrainian politics has resulted in Putin expanding his military influence, while at the same time Barack Obama is bent on shrinking our own military to pre-World War II levels.
Plus others quoted in the article. Yes, they're saying he's a great leader. Some of them (but by no means all) want to go to war with him too. But they all admire him.
Beartracks
(12,795 posts)If President Obama ruthlessly moved straight toward his goals like Putin, the right wing would have conniption fits.
If President Obama acted unilaterally, or without Congress, the right wing would crucify him as unconstitutional.
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IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)by the people he beat in two national elections. Sounds like sour grapes to me.
BTW, Hawaiian-raised Barack Obama looks better on the beach or in the water than that ugly, pudgy, pasty Pootie ever could. He especially looks better in a suit and tie, as leader of the free world. No comparison between the two men.
When I think of the teabagger Pootie ass kissing, I'm reminded of the phrase 'a dog returning to its vomit'.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)He's too nice to them, really he is.
Although have you seen Between the Ferns yet? I haven't got to hear the whole thing, just snippets. But I really loved that snapback he made. "How would it feel if I made sure this is the last president you interview?" or words to that effect. The fact that he's no robber baron gun lover is to his everlasting credit. It always takes more guts and backbone to be GOOD. Being bad is sooo easy.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)Definition of insanity.
IkeRepublican
(406 posts)Corporate communism is what they're about. In fact, I feel if the Democrats used that very term - corporate communism - it would make one hell of an impact. Yeah, I know corporate communism is essentially fascism, but the terms fascism or fascist has been used far too many times in instances where it doesn't apply, making it bordering on obsolete because it's been milked to death.
Beartracks
(12,795 posts)This kind of begs for photos of Russian crackdowns and oppression to be distributed, identifying such images as examples of policies that the rightwing acknowledges it would "put into practice" if it could. And it could, if Americans let them.
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