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cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 11:15 AM Mar 2014

Some folks are upset that Noah movie is anti-religious because Noah gets drunk

An occupational hazard of being a blithering idiot... having the energy to get upset about a movie being at odds with your religion, but not having the curiosity to find out what your religion even is.

Noah getting drunk is the second most famous thing about Noah, after the ark.

That is, to folks who have read the Bible.

If I owned a book that I believed to be the litteral word of the creator of the universe telling me everything I need to know, I'd fricking read it.

And the drunken Noah story was used as a justification for the African slave trade for centuries so it is also of historical interest.

Anyway... I can't wait for the reaction of the faithful to a Soddom movie. (Spoiler: After fleeing the terrible perversions of Soddom, Lot, the one good man in Soddom, has sex with his daughters.)

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Some folks are upset that Noah movie is anti-religious because Noah gets drunk (Original Post) cthulu2016 Mar 2014 OP
Teetotaler Christan's think that everyone associated with the bible were just like them liberal N proud Mar 2014 #1
IIRC the evil womenfolk trick him into sex. DetlefK Mar 2014 #2
Not only did Noah get drunk, he exposed himself. DinahMoeHum Mar 2014 #3
Oh, Noah may have done a lot more than that. Xithras Mar 2014 #22
in this book warrior1 Mar 2014 #4
Well when the bible says wine it means grape juice, except when it's talking about how bad getting LeftyMom Mar 2014 #7
And how was "grape juice" stored year-round in a warm climate? Zambero Mar 2014 #9
Well you went down to the Piggly Wiggly and got a bottle of Welch's. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #10
How could it be juice if Jesus said serve the inferior wine first and then the best? Zen Democrat Mar 2014 #27
reminds me of of a really funny website snooper2 Mar 2014 #5
"Um...Jesus? You just contaminated me. Aristus Mar 2014 #14
"Somebody get that dirty old man out of this operating theater." Richardo Mar 2014 #16
LOL at that! Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #17
Been a long time since Sunday school, but isn't it Lot's daughters's fault? FSogol Mar 2014 #6
He's a guy out on a boat TlalocW Mar 2014 #8
That's what sailors do, God love 'em! LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #20
Then the Bible itself is anti-religious Zambero Mar 2014 #11
(sigh) Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #12
Okay, okay. Lot got date raped by his daughters jmowreader Mar 2014 #23
Who in the Bible saved the day when the booze ran out by turning water into wine? Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #13
Those most prone to Bible-banging are the least MineralMan Mar 2014 #15
Some consider Noah to be a bad person - instead of arguing with G*d to save the other people, hedgehog Mar 2014 #18
That negates the point of the story jmowreader Mar 2014 #24
Compare Noah's actions to those of Abraham, who attempted to save the city of Sodom. hedgehog Mar 2014 #26
Don't forget what Lot did in Soddom, just before fleeing the city... SidDithers Mar 2014 #19
The only way I could tolerate the idea of religion is if I were drunk out of my mind. MANative Mar 2014 #21
Yeah, being a Catholic priest is not the best thing for an alcoholic, Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #25
Not only the slave trade, but the wars between ancient Israel and their neighbors as well. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #28
Without a passed out drunk naked Noah the Curse of Canaan would never have taken place. herding cats Mar 2014 #29

liberal N proud

(60,332 posts)
1. Teetotaler Christan's think that everyone associated with the bible were just like them
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 11:27 AM
Mar 2014

They serve grape juice instead of wine for communion.

More cherry picking from the bible to meet their needs.

DinahMoeHum

(21,774 posts)
3. Not only did Noah get drunk, he exposed himself.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 11:30 AM
Mar 2014

Genesis 9:20-21
New International Version (NIV)

20 Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded to plant a vineyard.
21 When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent.


Well worth the read, for more sex and sin in the Scriptures:
http://www.amazon.com/The-X-Rated-Bible-Irreverent-Scriptures/dp/0922915555

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
22. Oh, Noah may have done a lot more than that.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 12:43 PM
Mar 2014

Most biblical scholars believe there is more to that story that we see today, and that portions have either been lost or deliberately removed. Tellingly, Noah is discovered drunk by his sons, who cover him up, and then Noah responds by cursing his grandsons line for eternity...and his grandson Canaan was not even there!

The Canaanite pantheon was well known by the ancient Jewish people to be "sexually liberal", because it was a fertility religion. The Canaanites were also a people that openly accepted homosexuality and practiced it in their temple rights.

There's a theory that the passage originally included some drunken gay sex between Noah and Canaan, which led to the grandson being cursed (along with the Canaanites). Later people would have removed it for obvious reasons. Of course, there's also a theory that it was just added later to justify the conquering and enslavement of the Canaanite people, who were the original inhabitants of Israel and Judea...so who really knows

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
7. Well when the bible says wine it means grape juice, except when it's talking about how bad getting
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 11:34 AM
Mar 2014

drunk is, then it totally means wine, which is almost as sinful as dancing. /Baptists

Zambero

(8,962 posts)
9. And how was "grape juice" stored year-round in a warm climate?
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 11:43 AM
Mar 2014

Let's see, there was no electricity for refrigeration. God forbid, this stuff must have been fermented, with alcohol content as a horrific by-product. But don't tell me that God's chosen people drank this stuff, cause I ain't buying it!

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
27. How could it be juice if Jesus said serve the inferior wine first and then the best?
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 02:39 PM
Mar 2014

How can these people be "literalists" if they change the "literal" words? Oh yeah, because they are hypocrites. I almost forgot.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
5. reminds me of of a really funny website
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 11:32 AM
Mar 2014
http://www.dumbshitthebiblesays.com/



"And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den."
— Isaiah 11:8



At first read, you're like, "Um, gross pedo Jesus. Stay away from my children." But hold on a second, it's all about context. Asp and cockatrice refer to cobras and vipers respectively. WAIT, THAT'S NOT BETTER. Regardless of whether or not a child is nursing, you should keep it far the fuck away from any sort of snake's hole and/or den.



"Give beer to those who are perishing, wine to those who are in anguish."
— Proverbs 31:6



Do me a favor — if I'm either perishing or anguishing, give me some fucking medicine. I don't need anything to drink. That's called thirsty. When I'm thirsty, I'll say thirsty. When I say I'm fucking perishing, I'm referring to death.




Aristus

(66,294 posts)
14. "Um...Jesus? You just contaminated me.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 12:03 PM
Mar 2014

And if you ever come into my OR again without scrubbing up, there's gonna be trouble!"



Richardo

(38,391 posts)
16. "Somebody get that dirty old man out of this operating theater."
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 12:10 PM
Mar 2014

- Donald Sutherland as Hawkeye Pierce, M*A*S*H (1971)

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
17. LOL at that!
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 12:13 PM
Mar 2014

I just envisioned that very scene with Jesus opening that door instead of the Colonel...

Zambero

(8,962 posts)
11. Then the Bible itself is anti-religious
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 11:50 AM
Mar 2014

Gotta take this stuff literally, and what it says is what it says. Perhaps a few passages here and there need to be redacted. And while we're at it, at least 80% of the New Testament would need to be blacked out, especially all that Good Samaritan business, helping the (lazy) poor and sick, warnings against hypocrisy, and the not throwing stones nonsense. Just get rid of it! Perhaps it could be referred to it as the King Pat (as in Robertson) version?

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
12. (sigh)
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 11:57 AM
Mar 2014

(Spoiler: After fleeing the terrible perversions of Soddom, Lot, the one good man in Soddom, has sex with his daughters.) That is just NOT TRUE! It wasn't Lot's fault, it was his daughters who seduced him with liquor and took advantage of the poor helpless man! It says so right in the Bible.

jmowreader

(50,530 posts)
23. Okay, okay. Lot got date raped by his daughters
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 01:03 PM
Mar 2014

Which leads to the next question: how long did they keep him drunk? The penis is not a machinegun; it takes time to accumulate enough sperm to get your second daughter pregnant after you do the same for the first.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
13. Who in the Bible saved the day when the booze ran out by turning water into wine?
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 11:58 AM
Mar 2014

Oh, now I remember, it was Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior. Case closed.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
18. Some consider Noah to be a bad person - instead of arguing with G*d to save the other people,
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 12:16 PM
Mar 2014

he blithely builds his ark and lets everyone drown.

jmowreader

(50,530 posts)
24. That negates the point of the story
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 01:10 PM
Mar 2014

The OT contains several episodes where God got pissed off and rubbed out everyone in town...in the Noah story he took out everyone in the world except Noah's family. Noah begging God to save the people would have made sense if God wasn't planning to murder them.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
19. Don't forget what Lot did in Soddom, just before fleeing the city...
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 12:18 PM
Mar 2014

he offered his daughters up to be raped by the angry mob, in place of the two strangers he was trying to protect.

“Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like; only do nothing to these men, inasmuch as they have come under the shelter of my roof,” (Gen. 19:8).

Sid

MANative

(4,112 posts)
21. The only way I could tolerate the idea of religion is if I were drunk out of my mind.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 12:42 PM
Mar 2014

And two of the most raging and untreated alcoholics I have ever personally known were two Roman Catholic priests. Thus, my conclusion is that booze and religion are inextricably linked.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
25. Yeah, being a Catholic priest is not the best thing for an alcoholic,
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 01:11 PM
Mar 2014

given their access to stashes of communion wine. Mormonism, Methodism or Islam would be a better choice.

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
29. Without a passed out drunk naked Noah the Curse of Canaan would never have taken place.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 03:02 PM
Mar 2014

Which means the Israelites would never have had a reason to hate the Canaanites and it would have totally ruined the ending of the book. Not that I've ever had a clue as to why Noah was supposed to have cursed a grandson who wasn't even around to be peeking at his junk. I like to think some overzealous editor cut out the part where Canaan and Noah were up playing strip poker and drinking and when Noah woke up butt naked he was so ticked off he cursed Canaan's heirs to infinity. Now that's what I call a sore loser!

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