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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSome folks are upset that Noah movie is anti-religious because Noah gets drunk
An occupational hazard of being a blithering idiot... having the energy to get upset about a movie being at odds with your religion, but not having the curiosity to find out what your religion even is.
Noah getting drunk is the second most famous thing about Noah, after the ark.
That is, to folks who have read the Bible.
If I owned a book that I believed to be the litteral word of the creator of the universe telling me everything I need to know, I'd fricking read it.
And the drunken Noah story was used as a justification for the African slave trade for centuries so it is also of historical interest.
Anyway... I can't wait for the reaction of the faithful to a Soddom movie. (Spoiler: After fleeing the terrible perversions of Soddom, Lot, the one good man in Soddom, has sex with his daughters.)
liberal N proud
(60,332 posts)They serve grape juice instead of wine for communion.
More cherry picking from the bible to meet their needs.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,774 posts)Genesis 9:20-21
New International Version (NIV)
20 Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded to plant a vineyard.
21 When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent.
Well worth the read, for more sex and sin in the Scriptures:
http://www.amazon.com/The-X-Rated-Bible-Irreverent-Scriptures/dp/0922915555
Xithras
(16,191 posts)Most biblical scholars believe there is more to that story that we see today, and that portions have either been lost or deliberately removed. Tellingly, Noah is discovered drunk by his sons, who cover him up, and then Noah responds by cursing his grandsons line for eternity...and his grandson Canaan was not even there!
The Canaanite pantheon was well known by the ancient Jewish people to be "sexually liberal", because it was a fertility religion. The Canaanites were also a people that openly accepted homosexuality and practiced it in their temple rights.
There's a theory that the passage originally included some drunken gay sex between Noah and Canaan, which led to the grandson being cursed (along with the Canaanites). Later people would have removed it for obvious reasons. Of course, there's also a theory that it was just added later to justify the conquering and enslavement of the Canaanite people, who were the original inhabitants of Israel and Judea...so who really knows
warrior1
(12,325 posts)didn't Jesus make wine from water?
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)drunk is, then it totally means wine, which is almost as sinful as dancing. /Baptists
Zambero
(8,962 posts)Let's see, there was no electricity for refrigeration. God forbid, this stuff must have been fermented, with alcohol content as a horrific by-product. But don't tell me that God's chosen people drank this stuff, cause I ain't buying it!
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)How can these people be "literalists" if they change the "literal" words? Oh yeah, because they are hypocrites. I almost forgot.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)"And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den."
Isaiah 11:8
At first read, you're like, "Um, gross pedo Jesus. Stay away from my children." But hold on a second, it's all about context. Asp and cockatrice refer to cobras and vipers respectively. WAIT, THAT'S NOT BETTER. Regardless of whether or not a child is nursing, you should keep it far the fuck away from any sort of snake's hole and/or den.
"Give beer to those who are perishing, wine to those who are in anguish."
Proverbs 31:6
Do me a favor if I'm either perishing or anguishing, give me some fucking medicine. I don't need anything to drink. That's called thirsty. When I'm thirsty, I'll say thirsty. When I say I'm fucking perishing, I'm referring to death.
Aristus
(66,294 posts)And if you ever come into my OR again without scrubbing up, there's gonna be trouble!"
Richardo
(38,391 posts)- Donald Sutherland as Hawkeye Pierce, M*A*S*H (1971)
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)I just envisioned that very scene with Jesus opening that door instead of the Colonel...
FSogol
(45,452 posts)TlalocW
(15,374 posts)Of course he gets drunk! Geeze.
TlalocW
LuvNewcastle
(16,835 posts)Zambero
(8,962 posts)Gotta take this stuff literally, and what it says is what it says. Perhaps a few passages here and there need to be redacted. And while we're at it, at least 80% of the New Testament would need to be blacked out, especially all that Good Samaritan business, helping the (lazy) poor and sick, warnings against hypocrisy, and the not throwing stones nonsense. Just get rid of it! Perhaps it could be referred to it as the King Pat (as in Robertson) version?
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)(Spoiler: After fleeing the terrible perversions of Soddom, Lot, the one good man in Soddom, has sex with his daughters.) That is just NOT TRUE! It wasn't Lot's fault, it was his daughters who seduced him with liquor and took advantage of the poor helpless man! It says so right in the Bible.
jmowreader
(50,530 posts)Which leads to the next question: how long did they keep him drunk? The penis is not a machinegun; it takes time to accumulate enough sperm to get your second daughter pregnant after you do the same for the first.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Oh, now I remember, it was Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior. Case closed.
MineralMan
(146,262 posts)likely to have actually read it, I've found.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)he blithely builds his ark and lets everyone drown.
jmowreader
(50,530 posts)The OT contains several episodes where God got pissed off and rubbed out everyone in town...in the Noah story he took out everyone in the world except Noah's family. Noah begging God to save the people would have made sense if God wasn't planning to murder them.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)he offered his daughters up to be raped by the angry mob, in place of the two strangers he was trying to protect.
Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like; only do nothing to these men, inasmuch as they have come under the shelter of my roof, (Gen. 19:8).
Sid
MANative
(4,112 posts)And two of the most raging and untreated alcoholics I have ever personally known were two Roman Catholic priests. Thus, my conclusion is that booze and religion are inextricably linked.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)given their access to stashes of communion wine. Mormonism, Methodism or Islam would be a better choice.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)herding cats
(19,558 posts)Which means the Israelites would never have had a reason to hate the Canaanites and it would have totally ruined the ending of the book. Not that I've ever had a clue as to why Noah was supposed to have cursed a grandson who wasn't even around to be peeking at his junk. I like to think some overzealous editor cut out the part where Canaan and Noah were up playing strip poker and drinking and when Noah woke up butt naked he was so ticked off he cursed Canaan's heirs to infinity. Now that's what I call a sore loser!