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Scuba

(53,475 posts)
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 05:28 PM Mar 2014

Yes, I've had it all along. Do you still have ours?

I got this letter from the President today. I gotta admit, I'm a little bit offended.















(Note: before the predictable "you're always criticizing the President" responses arrive, please understand this. Yes, in safe havens like DU and County Party meetings, I criticize the President, and the Party, and work to improve the performance of both.

But when dealing with folks outside my Democratic/Progressive/Liberal circle I absolutely support the President and the Party. Hopefully DU members can appreciate that distinction.)

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Yes, I've had it all along. Do you still have ours? (Original Post) Scuba Mar 2014 OP
My only question, Control-Z Mar 2014 #1
Typo, fixed. Thanks. Scuba Mar 2014 #2
I truly understand the distinction ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #3
Constructive criticism and self-examination are necessary parts of performance improvement. Scuba Mar 2014 #4
Let me operationalize your two "hard to be pro" points ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #6
You're obviously much, much wiser than I. I'm just a simple man. I can only ... Scuba Mar 2014 #7
Okay. We're done ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #9
You must like killing much more than I. Scuba Mar 2014 #11
If that's what you got from our exchange ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #12
There is a false assumption at play. Maedhros Mar 2014 #14
In every avenue in which he has mine. Orsino Mar 2014 #5
Is there one human being who is perfect enough for you? randome Mar 2014 #8
+1 , but to answer your questions ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #10
I don't insist on "perfect". bvar22 Mar 2014 #15
I do. And I always will. PhilSays Mar 2014 #13
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
3. I truly understand the distinction ...
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 05:36 PM
Mar 2014

and take you at your word.

Do you recognize the distinction between being critical of the President and the party and working to improve the performance.

Here's my take: When one develops a persuasive and sound argument/strategy/tactic, you don't have to be critical, you just have to be convincing.

It's the difference between being "Pro" something versus "Anti" something.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
4. Constructive criticism and self-examination are necessary parts of performance improvement.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 05:40 PM
Mar 2014

It's hard to be pro "stop killing innocent people with drones" or pro "don't appoint people like Tim Geithner to run our economy".

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
6. Let me operationalize your two "hard to be pro" points ...
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 06:04 PM
Mar 2014

"stop killing innocent people with drones => what is your sound and persuasive plan to affect the goal of rooting out those non-innocent people that the drones are intended for?

Don't appoint people like TG to run our economy => What is your case FOR that someone better to run the economy?

See ... working to improve is most often independent of the criticism that we spend so much time and energy on.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
7. You're obviously much, much wiser than I. I'm just a simple man. I can only ...
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 06:26 PM
Mar 2014

... understand that killing innocents with drones is both morally wrong and harmful to the long-term interests of the American people.

As a mere simple man, I'm not capable of developing "sound and persuasive plans" to achieve any "rooting out" goals. I only know that murdering these innocents is making things worse. Ergo sum, in your world of much, much wiser people, I should shut the fuck up.

Thanks for helping me understand my place.

By the way, is "non-innocent" a new term meant to describe a status somewhere between "innocent" and "guilty"? Is it OK to kill "non innocents"?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
9. Okay. We're done ...
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 06:36 PM
Mar 2014

if you would choose sarcasm to deflect/avoid the ridiculous notion that criticism of the President or the party is anywhere near as effective a means for improving performance than actually coming up with, and convincing others of, a plan that actually deals with the problem.

And yes ... in the real world, with real world consequences, it's okay to kill "non-innocents."

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
14. There is a false assumption at play.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 06:44 PM
Mar 2014
"stop killing innocent people with drones => what is your sound and persuasive plan to affect the goal of rooting out those non-innocent people that the drones are intended for?


We can't stop droning innocent people because we MUST kill the non-innocent people.

False dilemma. We do not need to be killing anyone.
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
8. Is there one human being who is perfect enough for you?
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 06:32 PM
Mar 2014

If you thought Obama was going to do everything you wanted -and nothing you disapproved of- then you were naive.

Are you saying you don't have Obama's back? Or is the point of this OP simply to remind everyone that he isn't perfect?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
10. +1 , but to answer your questions ...
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 06:39 PM
Mar 2014
Are you saying you don't have Obama's back? Or is the point of this OP simply to remind everyone that he isn't perfect?


No and Yes.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
15. I don't insist on "perfect".
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 08:40 PM
Mar 2014

I'll settle for someone who would have been considered a "DEMOCRAT" back in the 80s.

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