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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 10:22 AM Mar 2014

Prisoners 'could serve 1,000 year sentence in eight hours'

Future biotechnology could be used to make prisoners feel as if they were serving a 1,000 year sentence, a team of scientists claim

Future biotechnology could be used to trick a prisoner's mind into thinking they have served a 1,000 year sentence, a group of scientists have claimed.

Philosopher Rebecca Roache is in charge of a team of scholars focused upon the ways futuristic technologies might transform punishment. Dr Roache claims the prison sentence of serious criminals could be made worse by extending their lives.
Speaking to Aeon magazine, Dr Roache said drugs could be developed to distort prisoners' minds into thinking time was passing more slowly.

"There are a number of psychoactive drugs that distort people’s sense of time, so you could imagine developing a pill or a liquid that made someone feel like they were serving a 1,000-year sentence," she said.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10697529/Prisoners-could-serve-1000-year-sentence-in-eight-hours.html


No doubt it will happen just as Philip K.Dick wrote about.

Cheney ............ sweet dreams are made of these, who am I to disagree.

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Prisoners 'could serve 1,000 year sentence in eight hours' (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 OP
that would be stupid thing to do warrior1 Mar 2014 #1
I agree it should be outlawed and a war crime Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 #2
Geez. Instead of manipulating their minds for time, why don't Ilsa Mar 2014 #3
Good thought. (nt) enough Mar 2014 #22
Shhhh.... you're making sense! Fawke Em Mar 2014 #37
Five years in the isocubes, citizen. Codeine Mar 2014 #4
This was an episode of Deep Space Nine Bad Thoughts Mar 2014 #5
Coincidentally, most episodes of DS9 felt like a 15-year sentence Orrex Mar 2014 #7
Thoroughly disagree. eom Bad Thoughts Mar 2014 #8
Yeah, I know Orrex Mar 2014 #15
Like or not, I don't think it's surprising that it would be more relevant to this question ... Bad Thoughts Mar 2014 #30
To be fair, I was simply complaining about the series Orrex Mar 2014 #31
At least it wasn't Voyager... Lost_Count Mar 2014 #13
Of course, the American Psychological Association wouldn't allow such practices. backscatter712 Mar 2014 #6
Reminds me of the Stephen King short story "The Jaunt" Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #9
Great short story. I thought the same thing. (nt) Inkfreak Mar 2014 #42
Well, as long as they pick up some sort of flute-playing skills TlalocW Mar 2014 #10
But if the prisoner is unreformed then all we did was -- Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #11
So instead of using it to make people feel they'd had a long wonderful life, IDemo Mar 2014 #12
Nothing new under the sun. Orrex Mar 2014 #14
Why would they be more useful if they come out with a sense of severe isolation? Bad Thoughts Mar 2014 #16
+1000 Tom Ripley Mar 2014 #25
It would be wise to plan for the social consequences Heidi Mar 2014 #17
So we just skip straight to the psychological torture now. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #18
This is sick. Mojo Electro Mar 2014 #19
+1000 Tom Ripley Mar 2014 #24
Punishment Fetishists. Iggo Mar 2014 #28
That's exactly what they are. Mojo Electro Mar 2014 #29
Salvia divinorum turns 5 minutes into an hour Schema Thing Mar 2014 #20
This could save a lot of money. Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #21
Other than highly refined emotional sadism, what in the fuck is the point? Tom Ripley Mar 2014 #23
What a gross misuse of technological advancement. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #26
Torture. Iggo Mar 2014 #27
This is a horror. nt Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #32
Kinda like Total Recall yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #33
That's not how I remember Total Recall mathematic Mar 2014 #34
Hahaha... yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #35
Arnie may have been a lousy governor exboyfil Mar 2014 #38
I did see the Total Recall remake DavidDvorkin Mar 2014 #41
Now he is inviting people into his tank jakeXT Mar 2014 #43
The Outer Limits Spirochete Mar 2014 #36
Do we get the three seashells afterwards? Shandris Mar 2014 #39
All the scars are on the inside Fla_Democrat Mar 2014 #40
Only a Murdoch rage Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #44

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
3. Geez. Instead of manipulating their minds for time, why don't
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 10:32 AM
Mar 2014

they search for a way to change their brains to create better understanding of why committing a crime will hurt them? I'd rather see greed, hate, jealousy "cut" out of their brains with drugs. I know it wouldn't be easy, but eradicating poverty might be a step in the right direction, too.

Bad Thoughts

(2,514 posts)
5. This was an episode of Deep Space Nine
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 10:41 AM
Mar 2014

Hard Time: Miles O'Brien suffers through a 15 year sentence that takes place entirely in his mind. During the imprisonment, he is made to feel extreme hunger, which drives him to kill an (imaginary) inmate. Given the nature of the episode, how one imagines they spend their time would be subject to manipulation and abuse.

Orrex

(63,185 posts)
15. Yeah, I know
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 11:08 AM
Mar 2014

Last edited Sun Mar 16, 2014, 12:53 PM - Edit history (1)

DS9 fans think it's the bee's knees, but it just doesn't appeal to me. I'm a Trek fan from way back, and I made a serious effort to like it, but I just couldn't get into it. Too much boring Bajoran spirituality, too much boring Klingon political upheaval, and too much Dominion story arc.

Odo was very cool, though. I'll give them that much.

Bad Thoughts

(2,514 posts)
30. Like or not, I don't think it's surprising that it would be more relevant to this question ...
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 12:47 PM
Mar 2014

... than any of the other series. Indeed, manipulation of memory as a means of punishment has been explored by many science fiction series, but they always stop short of describing recovery. The particular episode in question, Hard Time, does more to examine what could be achieved through this type of punishment and whether it truly renders the individual able to function in society. I am not the only one in this thread to suggest that an experience of profound isolation might not render an individual able to function socially. Indeed, could they not leave such a situation with an urge for self-destruction that might hurt others?

Orrex

(63,185 posts)
31. To be fair, I was simply complaining about the series
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 12:58 PM
Mar 2014

Don't get me started on the scenery-chewing by Brooks and Visitor.

As to the rest, you're correct that it's a common theme in science fiction, and it would almost certainly have a profoundly damaging effect upon the psyche. Based on the fact that we're even discussing this, I wouldn't have thought it a matter for dispute.

 

Lost_Count

(555 posts)
13. At least it wasn't Voyager...
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 11:05 AM
Mar 2014

Take every annoying trait of every person on a previous Trek series, roll em up and off the the Delta quadrant with 'em...

http://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/scifi/6-reasons-star-trek-voyager-worked.html

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
6. Of course, the American Psychological Association wouldn't allow such practices.
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 10:43 AM
Mar 2014

Look at how well they supervised interrogations at Gitmo and Abu Ghraib!

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
9. Reminds me of the Stephen King short story "The Jaunt"
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 10:47 AM
Mar 2014

The father spares his children the gruesome semi-apocryphal account of the first human to be Jaunted awake, a condemned murderer offered a full pardon for agreeing to the experiment. The man "came through" and immediately suffered a massive heart attack, living just long enough to utter a single cryptic phrase: "It's eternity in there..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jaunt



Of course in real life such a concept is disgusting and immoral. The only punishment I support is prison time in safe, humane conditions.

TlalocW

(15,378 posts)
10. Well, as long as they pick up some sort of flute-playing skills
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 10:49 AM
Mar 2014

Like Picard did, I can't see how this could be harmful.

TlalocW

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
11. But if the prisoner is unreformed then all we did was --
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 10:59 AM
Mar 2014

Give them 1,000 years worth of axe-grinding and releasing them back into an unsuspecting society in a matter of hours.


By the way. My dad had a term for this --

Parenting

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
12. So instead of using it to make people feel they'd had a long wonderful life,
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 11:02 AM
Mar 2014

The first application that comes to their toxic minds is one of a punitive nature?

Orrex

(63,185 posts)
14. Nothing new under the sun.
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 11:05 AM
Mar 2014

It's the same mindset that uses non-lethal weapons like tear gas to flush "the enemy" out of its protected cover so that they can be gunned down more conveniently.

If they do implement this 1000-year torture, you can bet that they'll apply some sort of grotesque physical pain at the same time, so you get to feel like you've spent a millennium with some part of your anatomy in a vice.

Bad Thoughts

(2,514 posts)
16. Why would they be more useful if they come out with a sense of severe isolation?
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 11:13 AM
Mar 2014

I don't see how it would be psychologically better for society if the punishment is a severe form of trauma.

Heidi

(58,237 posts)
17. It would be wise to plan for the social consequences
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 11:24 AM
Mar 2014

of executing a 1,000-year sentence in eight hours. After eight hours, the person is released with mental anguish of a person who has served a 1,000-year sentence.

And then what?

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
18. So we just skip straight to the psychological torture now.
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 11:26 AM
Mar 2014

Fucking with people's minds like this should be illegal.

Mojo Electro

(362 posts)
19. This is sick.
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 11:45 AM
Mar 2014

The very idea of this is just so diabolical and horrifying, torturing people for "1,000 years" in prison, making moments seem like years. What type of sick, vengeful person even considers this?

What the fuck is wrong with these people?

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
21. This could save a lot of money.
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 11:52 AM
Mar 2014

Put prisoners with say a 10 year sentence. Put them in jail for one year so they have some memories of jail is like. Give them this drug that makes them feel like it's been 10+ years and release them. It would have the same restraint as if they had really served 10 years. Look at all the money we could save on incarcerating people. Too bad it isn't possible.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
38. Arnie may have been a lousy governor
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 01:59 PM
Mar 2014

but he made some very enjoyable movies. I have no intention of seeing the Total Recall remake. Same can be said for Robocop. I wish I had never seen the Rollerball remake. It seems only westerns can have good remakes (True Grit and 3:10 to Yuma).

Spirochete

(5,264 posts)
36. The Outer Limits
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 01:18 PM
Mar 2014

had this in an episode called "The Sentence". The inventor was pushing hard to get the technology approved - until he went through it himself. Then he did a fast 180.

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
39. Do we get the three seashells afterwards?
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 02:03 PM
Mar 2014

"John Spartan, you are fined one credit for violation of the Verbal Morality Statute."

Fla_Democrat

(2,547 posts)
40. All the scars are on the inside
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 02:13 PM
Mar 2014




All the scars are on the inside
I'm not sure that there's anything left of me




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