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By Scott Kaufman
The parents of a Buddhist student in Louisiana ridiculed by a creationist teacher won their lawsuit against the school district, the American Civil Liberties Union revealed Friday.
The student, known as C.C., was asked by sixth-grade teacher Rita Roark to answer the following question on a test: ISNT IT AMAZING WHAT THE _____________ HAS MADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When C.C. failed to respond Lord, Roark responded youre stupid if you dont believe in God. She also frequently denigrated his Buddhist faith, as well as the Hindu faith, referring to both as stupid.
When his parents complained to Sabine Parish Superintendent Sara Ebarb, they were told that this is the Bible belt, so they should expect to find the Christian God in the classroom. Ebarb advised them that if they wanted an ungodly classroom, they should transfer C.C. to a school where there are more Asians.
Judge Elizabeth Foote of the U.S. District Court, Western District of Louisiana sided with C.C. and his parents, citing that Roarks behavior and the schools decision to defend it clearly violated the Free Exercise and Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.
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Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Metro135
(359 posts)on the floor laughing!!
eridani
(51,907 posts)geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)Idiocracy on.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Vattel
(9,289 posts)I don't mean to brag, but I'm a rocket surgeon.
valerief
(53,235 posts)brewens
(13,562 posts)a such widely practiced religion could be looked at that way. I mean if so many people believe it, it has to be true, right? Does he believed they were just indoctinated ar brainwashed into believing all that? How could that be? If it could be done to those idiots, why couldn't it be done to believers of any religion?
Gothmog
(145,067 posts)The court really had no choice but to find for the student. This teacher is an idiot for making these comments
arcane1
(38,613 posts)And a triple idiot for using so many exclamation points in a freakin' question.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)as the shows creators have been telling all along, it's about Marty's and Rust's self-discovery that matters
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Anyway, don't mean to hijack the thread.
But you started it.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)argh. I will limit further discussion to the True Detective imdb board, which there has been much consternation.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I know a shaggy dog when I smell one.
Still, it was a good yarn while it lasted.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)plot was always a means to that end.
the big 'twist' in the show is that, while we always knew that Marty was in denial about who he was, it turns out Rust was also in denial
the loose ends don't all get tied up in real life either--
Hollywood ending would have been for them to show all of the Tuttles being arrested.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I mean, anyone can say "we meant it to be that way, it's an artistic statement" about anything. Fact is, there were massive elements to the story which just didn't make sense. I don't mean like, 'oooh, weird, mysterious, how cool that they didn't make sense', I mean they literally didn't make sense in the context of the criminal story which certainly at the very least was a component of the narrative.
Not arresting all the conspirators? Sure. But broadly implying some spooky far-ranging powerful conspiracy and then wrapping it up, impossibly, as essentially the work of the one lawn guy in his dirty house and greasy underwear? Nah. Lazy writing. They did a good job of keeping everyone engaged through the episodes, but endings are tough, and they didn't really pull it off- or together, in my mind.
Character is important; but so is story. I'm not going to write it off as "bad" television- shit, I watched it, and the performances were phenomenal, obviously... but it has some big problems. IMHO, YMMV.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)but they don't get dealt with by two guys in one 8 hour season of television.
there was an evil conspiracy, and the biggest perps got away with it.
See, e.g., Iraq.
Errol Childress was a manifestation of the larger evil, a by-product of it. He was repaying unto society the cruelty that had been visited upon him.
it would have been a betrayal of the show's theme that we're trapped in a cycle of fighting the same battles over and over to have good just triumph over the entire embedded hierarchy of evil
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Another is that they did an excellent job of stringing people along for 7 episodes, and needed a "resolution" so they wrapped it up with a big battle in the abandoned whatever it was.
I mean, the point you make could have been better made, then, without having a singular missing "bad guy" found and battled at the end, at all.
They managed to include some profundity in the writing, don't get me wrong- but I disagree with you on the hidden brilliance of the whole construction. I suppose it's a measure of how well they did that people are even taking your viewpoint on it, unlike something like Lost which everyone pretty much eventually agreed ended up being a massive waste of their time.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)then again, I never considered various theories about who might be responsible, plot twists, etc.
If I had been trying to figure out all the loose ends in the plot, which I did in Lost, I probably would have been dissatisfied myself. Lost was more pulp entertainment with pretenses of deeper meaning.
Can't say he didn't warn you . . .
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I totally dug watching it, and I remain open to the idea that I may have missed the point on the end. As it was, I can live with how they handled it, anyway. Still was way better than most of the dreck out there.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)explain where they're going with it at the end of each episode.
we watched the first four episodes that way. undoubtedly that helped us calibrate to where they were going with it.
will be interesting to see what they do for season two, whether they follow similar themes, etc. good luck to whoever has to step in MM and WH's shoes though.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)1000words
(7,051 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)christx30
(6,241 posts)for their religious beliefs (or their race, or their sexual preference, or their gender), you're violating my religious beliefs!
Hope my sarcasm is evident. But just in case..
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)But really, I'd really have to consider other educational paths for my kid, because this school district probably has more problems than racist and religious bigotry.
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)...I seem to recall from an earlier article that they had already transferred. I'm too tired to look it up.
Lost_Count
(555 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)I went thought the San Francisco school system and many kids I grew up were Buddhists like myself or something different. No one ever challenged us on our religion nor did I even see it in college. But Its hard enough for them if they are Asian and Buddhist especially if they are living in an Area where Christians believe your religion has absolutely no merit and you are an idiot for not accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and master. People have tried to convert me over the years, but I enjoy what I was brought up with, and have no desire to make those kind of changes.. and wonder what would happen if I were as aggressive trying to get someone to be Buddhist.. probably would be laughed at... so of course I would never do anything like that... but as for this family I am happy for them, and glad they got some kind of recourse.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)Small minded people who think in terms of black or white. They have no real concept of the world and its an us vs them mentality. They would rather go burn down a mosque, or temple than have to deal with people on their own level. They say the preach the world of love..but love to them is roasting marshmallows over the ashes of newly burned building that might have housed some believers they don't "take a liking to".
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)?
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bibleexpert 2 hours ago
Actually its the teacher whos stupid, as she seems unaware there is no such thing as a Buddhist faith. In contrast with many religions that require adherence to a specified religious doctrine, the Buddha himself emphasized that nobody should believe anything he said just because he said it; that people should verify the truth of his assertions in their own experience. One could reasonably argue that the Noble Eightfold Path constitutes the doctrine of Buddhism, and believing that following it is spiritually beneficial constitutes having faith.
But, in contrast with the convoluted doctrines of a number of other religions, the Noble Eightfold Path essentially constitutes nothing more than good advice. If you choose to follow it or attempt to follow it and discover that it seems to be helping you to make progress on the spiritual path, then you could be accused of having faith. However in stark contrast to, for example, the faith that Jesus was the only son of God (btw, the Biblical evidence on this point is very weak), performed a bunch of miracles, rose from the dead, etc. this would be a faith based on verification by personal experience, rather than on accepting the authority of the source, or imagined source, of a written document.
There is one amusing aspect to this incident. Rita Roark is clearly oblivious to the fact that a careful reading of the New Testament strongly suggests that Jesus came into contact with and was influenced by Buddhist teachings.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Then they'll claim it's all a bunch of crap and, "Yew are goin' straight to Hayll."
I have met people who honestly believe God is in the sky living on the clouds (Kinda like Zeus on Mount Olympus) and if you dig too deep you will reach Hell.
They also believe that when you die you will be judged and your whole life should be devoted to that day because if you have displeased their God you will be cast out of paradise and burn for all time,...for things like copping a feel in a movie theater.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)There are no PHOTOGRAPHS of a guy in WHITE BEARD standing on a cloud with lighting bolts in his hand. Some people Clearly HAVE never made it into the 21st Century....(Though they were born here!)
cui bono
(19,926 posts)That is a great way to illustrate it. We're not the ones who said their god is up in the sky, they are. Why hasn't he been seen then? Is he just super tiny? If they make the argument that that is not literal then we can say exactly, the entire bible is not to be taken literally.
nxylas
(6,440 posts)People laughed at the infamous Soviet poster that showed a cosmonaut waving, with the slogan "THERE IS NO GOD" - as if Christians actually, literally believe that God is a bearded man sitting on a cloud, just because he is sometimes depicted that way in art. And yet 50-ish years later, the same argument is being heralded as a pearl of wisdom on DU. I despair sometimes.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)They think Adam and Eve were the first humans, Noah really did put all the animals onto the ark for the worldwide flood, and God is a bearded Caucasian man sitting in the clouds. And these are not necessarily the most hardcore creationist/Baptist types -- many Christians from moderate/mainstream sects buy these stories. The very basis for the religion is that a carpenter born of a deity raped-virgin died and came back to life and will return to Earth some day soon.
And evolution is rejected by tens of millions of Americans.
Frankly, it's a pathetic state of affairs in the 21st century.
nxylas
(6,440 posts)If you ask them, they will usually tell you that God is everywhere. It's not even a question of rejecting biblical literalism, since nowhere does the Bible describe God the Father as a bearded man sitting on a cloud.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)They believe the earth is 6,000 years old and that Jesus rode dinosaurs. Not that far off from a bearded man sitting on a cloud.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)some of the people I know who pretty much believe in a man with a white beard living up in an invisible heaven and who sits on a throne? I went through 12 years of Catholic school with many Italians and Latinas who believe this absolutely.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Tell them you're from California and they'll tell the kids to go out and play so they aren't exposed to your heathen ways.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)The President has been accused of being a foreigner. I have often heard Right wingers laugh over CALIFORNIA:"The land of fruits and nuts". Some have even moved here with the idea they could change the state from the ground up. Its not going to happen. There are too many kinds of people here to tolerate that kind of thinking. Most of us grew up surrounded by people of all races, colors and creeds. We grew up in communities filled with different culture and food. I remember my Vietnamese friends taking myself and my other friends to a Viet Restaurant for the first time. I was with several who were of Chinese, Korean and Hispanic decent. All of us had a blast. I will never forget the kindness I have met in those early days of high school.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)These types HATE the idea of "mixed race" and take pride in their whiteness.
It's considered to be a major scandal when one of them has what they call, "a trick baby".
Orrex
(63,195 posts)He'll never stand for this gross attack on the founding Christian principles of the US of A!
msongs
(67,385 posts)religious beliefs.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)I don't believe any of it...I was raised Catholic but have not been one since I reached the age of reason as George Carlin once said; but even so, I never ever understood evangelicals, or their vigor for telling other people how wrong their own beliefs were and how they MUST convert to the beliefs of the proselytizer or be damned...it comes across as very phony and desperate to seek validation of your own personal credulity by compelling others to join your belief system.
Long ago I reached the conclusion that "God" and "eternal life" - (which is ALWAYS what these simpletons want to pimp the most, most of the time never stopping to consider that eternal ANYTHING is not something to be desired or sought in the first place...) - as described by most of these zealots is a logical impossibility due to a simple fact - the ultimate punishment, for me, would be to force me to spend eternity with the believers; therefore, their "heaven" would only be my "hell", and cannot exist simultaneously as both things at the same time. Either its "heaven" or its "hell", but it can't be both and that is all the "proof" I need.
But anywho...on point here, the jackasses in the South who insist on acting this way need to be shown the door by the people trapped in the South who are NOT actively trying to devolve in order to disprove evolution!
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)The high school chorus here in Be*oit Wi has a serious problem with music selection. Their idea of religious diversity is changing from Latin to English (I did hear a badly done Hymn in Swahili once).
In the last year and a half, I'm guessing about 75% of their music is christian (new fundie director). The old guy picked about 60% christian music.
I asked the old director why so pro-christian (while wearing my Kippar {in Yiddish; Yarmulke}). He claimed the parents voted to allow it, they wanted it. Don't remember there being a call for a vote; Don't remember the subject of church and state being debatable. New director keeps away from me.
I have a mixed marriage, and members of my wife's family lean to being fundies. Peace in the house outweighs whatever imagined glee at kicking this hornets nest. For the time being. Last kid in the system still has two years to go.
progressoid
(49,964 posts)WTF?
pipoman
(16,038 posts)If the superintendent wasn't a complete idiot. If she simply would have told the parents she would speak to the teacher, then told the teacher to quit it, firing her if she refused (of course at most schools that is easier said than done) it would have been over.
packman
(16,296 posts)where the superintendent is elected, rather than appointed. If elected, he/she knows that they will not be getting votes next time around because of the religious folk won't stand for such a superintendent bowing to the wishes of the heathen. The superintendent played it right - she was "forced" to comply because the godless government made her do it. Now, she's a martyr to the faith, the people support her for the next election, everything is rosy.
However, if she was appointed by the board - then look at the board more closely. She is just blowing in whatever wind is coming from their direction.
tclambert
(11,085 posts)Obviously, they don't hold with that "political correctness" type stuff, only "political incorrectness."
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)tea and oranges
(396 posts)But, as this is a junior high school, WTF is up w/ the question: ISNT IT AMAZING WHAT THE _____________ HAS MADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let's assume for a moment it's a legit question (ugh!), doesn't it seem a little, I dunno, 2nd grade-like rather than junior high? Dumbed-down a little. OK. Stoopid. As if the schools are deliberately teaching ignorance.
Plus, I consider use of more than 1 "!" a true sign of semi-literacy.
christx30
(6,241 posts)What would happen if a student answered "rotation of the Earth"?
tea and oranges
(396 posts)The teacher involved, Ms Biddyshingle, wouldn't know what that meant. (I find myself resisting the urge to add 20 or more exclamation marks - this shit's getting to me.)
mwooldri
(10,302 posts)RKP5637
(67,102 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)"She also ordered that all members of the school board, as well as all faculty both current and incoming be trained by an attorney approved by the ACLU and the ACLU of Louisiana as to their responsibilities with respect to the First Amendment. The training will emphasize the the psychological and developmental impact of religious discrimination on students.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)One can dream....
frylock
(34,825 posts)are out of work right soon.
Many, LA (Sabine Parish) Demographics
923.4 people per square mile (356.4/km²). There were 1,272 housing units at an average density of 406.5 per square mile (156.9/km²). The racial makeup of the town was 48.18% White, 47.42% African American, 1.70% Native American, 0.48% Asian, 0.03% Pacific Islander, 0.28% from other races, and 1.90% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1.70% of the population.
There were 1,073 households out of which 32.2% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 34.6% were married couples living together, 23.9% had a female householder with no husband present, and 38.3% were non-families. 34.8% of all households were made up of individuals and 15.6% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.41 and the average family size was 3.14.
In the town the population was spread out with 26.5% under the age of 18, 10.8% from 18 to 24, 23.7% from 25 to 44, 20.9% from 45 to 64, and 18.0% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 36 years. For every 100 females there were 82.4 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 76.3 males.
The median income for a household in the town was $20,000, and the median income for a family was $24,329. Males had a median income of $28,500 versus $15,870 for females. The per capita income for the town was $12,153. About 28.4% of families and 35.5% of the population were below the poverty line, including 46.7% of those under age 18 and 26.3% of those age 65 or over.
I guess they have a ways to go.
illachick
(28 posts)I think the fact that this woman is a teacher makes her ignorance worse. A school teacher is supposed to be the very embodiment of knowledge and understanding and tolerating differences because they must inevitably deal with students from different backgrounds everyday, but her ignorance is disgusting. I don't necessarily subscribe to anyone's religion, nor do I subscribe to atheism, in fact I find overly religious and overly atheist people alike to be a little annoying. I think there could be some good discussion regarding the balance of what schools are able to teach as far as Creationism vs. Evolution and all that jazz.
Lucky Luciano
(11,253 posts)The teacher and the superintendent should both be fired and their pensions should be stripped.
They should also be permanently blackballed.
mackerel
(4,412 posts)I honestly wouldn't have believed that this would happen in this day and age in any school district in the U.S.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)I do believe most teachers at least attempt to keep proselytizing out of school and most work hard to keep their biases and prejudices under wrap ... but ....
spanone
(135,815 posts)kudos to the judge
idendoit
(505 posts)I'll be curious to see if any more lawsuits follow.
Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)Demand the teacher's dismissal and have state teaching credentials terminated permanently and make the teacher apologize, undergo diversity training and pay the student for pain and suffering.
It is only when these nut cases have to pay up will they stop their repressive tactics.
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)d_r
(6,907 posts)wow.
This is the High School's logo:
eta look at this blog post -
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/01/23/this-district-just-got-sued-for-teaching-creationism-offering-extra-credit-for-writing-bible-verses-on-tests-more/
She demands that students write a Bible verse or Isnt it amazing what the Lord has made at the bottom of exams and assignments if they want extra credit. Roark writes Yes! next to the verse or religious affirmation and awards students five additional points when they comply with this mandate.
In social studies class, which Roark also teaches, she presents Biblical accounts of persons, places, and events as fact. For example, on a handout asking, What mountain did Moses supposedly get the Ten Commandments from, Roark crossed out the word supposedly. She also has told students that the Bible is 100% true and that scientists are slowly finding out that everything in the Bible is accurate.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)Madness
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I'm torn among:
"hydrogen atom"
"ionization states of carbon"
and
"fourth entry in the second race at Aqueduct"
n2doc
(47,953 posts)Flying Spaghetti Monster
May His Noodly Appendage touch us all. Ramen.
kath
(10,565 posts)Fine being levied aginst the teacher or the district?
They should be punished for such an intentional egregious violation of the Constitution, and for bullying and humiliating this student. Freakin' assholes.
dflprincess
(28,075 posts)But she probably wouldn't get it.
flvegan
(64,407 posts)Living far more the life of a Buddhist than a "Christian" by modern take in both His time and in what He left for us? Hot diggity damn, stop being fucking idiots.
What's funny is that a closed-minded and brainwashed dumbfuck like Roark can't open a can of brain cells and understand that what you idiots call "buddhists" are also Christians. We just live the life the He wanted us to. Unlike you hateful idiots.
Deal with it.
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,563 posts)I call for, in the spirit of St. Patricks Day, a round of firings starting with the Superintendent............
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)Careful what you wish for; all that bureaucratic BS only protects teachers like this clown.
geomon666
(7,512 posts)RainDog
(28,784 posts)and not what they want to believe it is.
I feel sorry for anyone who has to go to school in that district - Ebarb should have never been in the job if this was her response.
Warren DeMontague
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davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Interesting reading:
https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/assets/31_consent_decree_and_order.pdf
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)mountain grammy
(26,613 posts)all of America's problems are the result of taking God out of public schools. If all children were introduced to Jesus in school, everything else would take care of itself. And if you don't believe it, well, they are armed to the teeth.
I am in awe that people of "normal" intelligence see this as the answer, and the only answer, for America. To reduce all life to a simple, black and white scripture has got to be an amazing act of will for our complicated brains.
valerief
(53,235 posts)brainwashing, and they've been left with a reasoning disability. As long as they're in that state, they can't claim normal intelligence, because it requires reason.
okaawhatever
(9,461 posts)scholastically from this teacher, decides to mess with said teacher and play up the "War on Christmas" meme. It involves the Buddhist child channeling Samuel L Jackson's character in Pulp Fiction. "Say Merry Christmas one more time" "I dare ya, I double dare ya"
I won't go any further, but in my head it's hilarious.