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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 01:41 PM Mar 2014

Judge rules against creationist teacher who called Buddhist student’s faith ‘stupid’

By Scott Kaufman

The parents of a Buddhist student in Louisiana ridiculed by a creationist teacher won their lawsuit against the school district, the American Civil Liberties Union revealed Friday.

The student, known as C.C., was asked by sixth-grade teacher Rita Roark to answer the following question on a test: “ISN’T IT AMAZING WHAT THE _____________ HAS MADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” When C.C. failed to respond “Lord,” Roark responded “you’re stupid if you don’t believe in God.” She also frequently denigrated his Buddhist faith, as well as the Hindu faith, referring to both as “stupid.”

When his parents complained to Sabine Parish Superintendent Sara Ebarb, they were told that “this is the Bible belt,” so they should expect to find the Christian God in the classroom. Ebarb advised them that if they wanted an ungodly classroom, they should transfer C.C. to a school where “there are more Asians.”

Judge Elizabeth Foote of the U.S. District Court, Western District of Louisiana sided with C.C. and his parents, citing that Roark’s behavior — and the school’s decision to defend it — clearly violated “the Free Exercise and Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.”


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Judge rules against creationist teacher who called Buddhist student’s faith ‘stupid’ (Original Post) n2doc Mar 2014 OP
Best Answer: "CAPS LOCK BUTTON" Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #1
rolling Metro135 Mar 2014 #34
Duzy!! n/t eridani Mar 2014 #84
One of mankinds oldest belief systems - and the bagger belt morans call it "stupid". geckosfeet Mar 2014 #2
Yeah, well, you're not dealing with a quantum physicist, here. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #3
It ain't rocket Scientry. Nope. riqster Mar 2014 #8
Best ever rocket science bit... SidDithers Mar 2014 #80
really funny, thx Vattel Mar 2014 #87
Bwaahahahaha! Great clip. valerief Mar 2014 #91
By "stupid' could he be inferring that they just made all that up? Interesting that brewens Mar 2014 #73
This is great news Gothmog Mar 2014 #4
And a double idiot for having that question on a test in the first place. arcane1 Mar 2014 #6
Carcosa Middle School? nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #5
You must be a true detective for I did not find the name of the school in the article. n/t cui bono Mar 2014 #9
it used to be Christ the Yellow King jr high nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #13
But no one could explain the significance of the Yellow King's identity so residents got upset. n/t cui bono Mar 2014 #14
that assumes the Yellow King's identity was the center of the plot and narrative geek tragedy Mar 2014 #15
Yeah, still I think it was lazy writing to bring up so many things and not follow through on them. cui bono Mar 2014 #17
I agree! I am a huge Chambers fan and the tantalizing "yellow king" stuff made me crazy anneboleyn Mar 2014 #79
yeah, whatever. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #40
it makes a lot more sense if you view the main point as character development geek tragedy Mar 2014 #45
I get it, but as other posters have noted, some of that sounds like cover for lazy writing. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #46
no, the point is that there were deeper, darker, lurking evil elements geek tragedy Mar 2014 #50
I s'pose that's one way of looking at it. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #53
ending seemed perfect to me. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #54
Like I said, great writing, awesome performances. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #55
if you watch the episodes on HBO Demand, the show's writers/producers geek tragedy Mar 2014 #56
No doubt. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #58
Yellow King Theory Explained Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #41
Ms. Roark has no business in a classroom 1000words Mar 2014 #7
There are thousands and thousands Ms. Roarks. Most never get sued. n/t jtuck004 Mar 2014 #20
the superintendent sounds like a real asshole as well frylock Mar 2014 #38
Great judge. cui bono Mar 2014 #10
But if I can't treat people like crap christx30 Mar 2014 #49
Good for the court. LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #11
Don't quote me, but... Wait Wut Mar 2014 #33
I think you are right... Lost_Count Mar 2014 #39
As a Buddhist I can totally relate.. to this some what...however yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #12
There are pockets of the country where the choice is Jayzuz or Satan. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #24
I totally understand that.... yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #26
What's funny is these people vote for the party that uses the tricks of their mythical Satan. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #27
I have to admit the comment section was excellent especially this ~~ yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #30
Show that to a typical Bible Belt type and their "brain" will fade after the first line.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #32
isn't it amazing that there are photos like this...AND YET... yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #43
I never thought of putting it like that! cui bono Mar 2014 #51
*Facepalm* nxylas Mar 2014 #88
But millions of Americans do believe this stuff. Arugula Latte Mar 2014 #93
But I don't think even young Earth creationists believe that God is literally "in the sky" nxylas Mar 2014 #97
Then why can't christians get it throught their head that the bible is not to be taken literally? cui bono Mar 2014 #94
Would you care to meet -- Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2014 #96
Some of these types have never been out of their little podunk town.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #59
Yes and I am sure Hawaii (to them) is another country....which is why yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #60
New York is like that with multi-culturalism.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #61
Has Jay Sekulow weighed in yet? Orrex Mar 2014 #16
schools are heavily infested by christianist teachers using insidious methods to promote their msongs Mar 2014 #18
One of (though certainly not the only) the reasons I cannot stand evangelicals... Moostache Mar 2014 #23
Tell me about it. Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #64
"and the school’s decision to defend it" progressoid Mar 2014 #19
This would have faded into the woodwork pipoman Mar 2014 #29
This could be an area packman Mar 2014 #31
Wow, overt racism at the superintendent level? tclambert Mar 2014 #21
This is typical mindset of racists,...run off those who are "different". Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #22
Good News on the Court Decision tea and oranges Mar 2014 #25
The question I have is: christx30 Mar 2014 #52
Guarantee tea and oranges Mar 2014 #57
or "PTA"? n/t mwooldri Mar 2014 #85
Creationism, the religion of Idiocracy! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2014 #28
All teachers/school board members forced to take ACLU approved training re 1st Amendment! Divernan Mar 2014 #35
All political office holders should get this training as well. SunSeeker Mar 2014 #48
i hope the district gets their balls sued the the walls and that these two idiots.. frylock Mar 2014 #36
Data James48 Mar 2014 #37
This **** has the nerve to call herself educating others! illachick Mar 2014 #42
Holy crap. Lucky Luciano Mar 2014 #44
If the parents had not taken this to court, mackerel Mar 2014 #47
Let me assure you, it happens etherealtruth Mar 2014 #65
the creationist nutz are embedded everywhere. spanone Mar 2014 #62
The judge enjoined the entire district. idendoit Mar 2014 #63
This is one time when I wish it was possible to........... Swede Atlanta Mar 2014 #66
K&R Solly Mack Mar 2014 #67
those articles are amazing d_r Mar 2014 #71
Holy WTF !!! lunasun Mar 2014 #74
I guess they thought being a small town tucked away in the sticks no one would find out. Solly Mack Mar 2014 #81
SMH Mr Dixon Mar 2014 #95
I'm surprised nobody in this thread attempted a correct answer jberryhill Mar 2014 #68
The Answer is obvious n2doc Mar 2014 #69
Do lawsuits like these ever result in monetary damages being paid to the defendent or any sort of kath Mar 2014 #70
If I had that teacher's address, I would send her this dflprincess Mar 2014 #72
Jesus Christ, the Christian God who was a Jew and an Essene? flvegan Mar 2014 #75
Wow! Dyedinthewoolliberal Mar 2014 #76
Those of you who want it to be uber-difficult to fire teachers take note bluestateguy Mar 2014 #77
The superintendent and the teacher have no business in education. n/t geomon666 Mar 2014 #78
Talibornagains learn what religious freedom actually means RainDog Mar 2014 #82
The great thing about that test question, though, is the near-infinite comedy of potential answers. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #83
Here is a direct link to the decision davidpdx Mar 2014 #86
Did the Judge say anything about CAPS LOCK and 25 exclamation marks at the end of sentences? KurtNYC Mar 2014 #89
I have a whole family of inlaws who really believe mountain grammy Mar 2014 #90
They're not of normal intelligence. Their intelligence has been usurped by valerief Mar 2014 #92
I am playing this image in my head of the Buddhist child, knowing he is now untouchable okaawhatever Mar 2014 #98
Isn't it amazing what the random fluctuation in a quantum soup made... nt uriel1972 Mar 2014 #99

brewens

(13,562 posts)
73. By "stupid' could he be inferring that they just made all that up? Interesting that
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 11:37 PM
Mar 2014

a such widely practiced religion could be looked at that way. I mean if so many people believe it, it has to be true, right? Does he believed they were just indoctinated ar brainwashed into believing all that? How could that be? If it could be done to those idiots, why couldn't it be done to believers of any religion?

Gothmog

(145,067 posts)
4. This is great news
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 01:48 PM
Mar 2014

The court really had no choice but to find for the student. This teacher is an idiot for making these comments

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
6. And a double idiot for having that question on a test in the first place.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 01:52 PM
Mar 2014

And a triple idiot for using so many exclamation points in a freakin' question.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
15. that assumes the Yellow King's identity was the center of the plot and narrative
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 02:32 PM
Mar 2014

as the shows creators have been telling all along, it's about Marty's and Rust's self-discovery that matters

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
17. Yeah, still I think it was lazy writing to bring up so many things and not follow through on them.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 02:33 PM
Mar 2014

Anyway, don't mean to hijack the thread.

But you started it.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
79. I agree! I am a huge Chambers fan and the tantalizing "yellow king" stuff made me crazy
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 12:18 AM
Mar 2014

argh. I will limit further discussion to the True Detective imdb board, which there has been much consternation.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
45. it makes a lot more sense if you view the main point as character development
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 04:21 PM
Mar 2014

plot was always a means to that end.

the big 'twist' in the show is that, while we always knew that Marty was in denial about who he was, it turns out Rust was also in denial

the loose ends don't all get tied up in real life either--

And we ain’t never gonna get ‘em all. That ain’t what kind of world it is. But we got ours.



Hollywood ending would have been for them to show all of the Tuttles being arrested.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
46. I get it, but as other posters have noted, some of that sounds like cover for lazy writing.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 04:36 PM
Mar 2014

I mean, anyone can say "we meant it to be that way, it's an artistic statement" about anything. Fact is, there were massive elements to the story which just didn't make sense. I don't mean like, 'oooh, weird, mysterious, how cool that they didn't make sense', I mean they literally didn't make sense in the context of the criminal story which certainly at the very least was a component of the narrative.

Not arresting all the conspirators? Sure. But broadly implying some spooky far-ranging powerful conspiracy and then wrapping it up, impossibly, as essentially the work of the one lawn guy in his dirty house and greasy underwear? Nah. Lazy writing. They did a good job of keeping everyone engaged through the episodes, but endings are tough, and they didn't really pull it off- or together, in my mind.

Character is important; but so is story. I'm not going to write it off as "bad" television- shit, I watched it, and the performances were phenomenal, obviously... but it has some big problems. IMHO, YMMV.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
50. no, the point is that there were deeper, darker, lurking evil elements
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 04:43 PM
Mar 2014

but they don't get dealt with by two guys in one 8 hour season of television.

there was an evil conspiracy, and the biggest perps got away with it.

See, e.g., Iraq.

Errol Childress was a manifestation of the larger evil, a by-product of it. He was repaying unto society the cruelty that had been visited upon him.

it would have been a betrayal of the show's theme that we're trapped in a cycle of fighting the same battles over and over to have good just triumph over the entire embedded hierarchy of evil

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
53. I s'pose that's one way of looking at it.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 04:47 PM
Mar 2014

Another is that they did an excellent job of stringing people along for 7 episodes, and needed a "resolution" so they wrapped it up with a big battle in the abandoned whatever it was.

I mean, the point you make could have been better made, then, without having a singular missing "bad guy" found and battled at the end, at all.

They managed to include some profundity in the writing, don't get me wrong- but I disagree with you on the hidden brilliance of the whole construction. I suppose it's a measure of how well they did that people are even taking your viewpoint on it, unlike something like Lost which everyone pretty much eventually agreed ended up being a massive waste of their time.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
54. ending seemed perfect to me.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 04:54 PM
Mar 2014

then again, I never considered various theories about who might be responsible, plot twists, etc.

If I had been trying to figure out all the loose ends in the plot, which I did in Lost, I probably would have been dissatisfied myself. Lost was more pulp entertainment with pretenses of deeper meaning.

You attach assumptions to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself


Can't say he didn't warn you . . .

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
55. Like I said, great writing, awesome performances.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 04:57 PM
Mar 2014

I totally dug watching it, and I remain open to the idea that I may have missed the point on the end. As it was, I can live with how they handled it, anyway. Still was way better than most of the dreck out there.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
56. if you watch the episodes on HBO Demand, the show's writers/producers
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 05:01 PM
Mar 2014

explain where they're going with it at the end of each episode.

we watched the first four episodes that way. undoubtedly that helped us calibrate to where they were going with it.

will be interesting to see what they do for season two, whether they follow similar themes, etc. good luck to whoever has to step in MM and WH's shoes though.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
10. Great judge.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 02:11 PM
Mar 2014
With regard to the specific behavior of Roark, Judge Foot wrote that “[t]he District and School Board are permanently enjoined from permitting School Officials at any school within the School District to promote their personal religious beliefs to students in class or during or in conjunction with a School Event.” Furthermore, “School Officials shall not denigrate any particular faith, or lack thereof, or single out any student for disfavor or criticism because of his or her particular faith or religious belief, or lack thereof.”

christx30

(6,241 posts)
49. But if I can't treat people like crap
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 04:40 PM
Mar 2014

for their religious beliefs (or their race, or their sexual preference, or their gender), you're violating my religious beliefs!

Hope my sarcasm is evident. But just in case..

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
11. Good for the court.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 02:14 PM
Mar 2014

But really, I'd really have to consider other educational paths for my kid, because this school district probably has more problems than racist and religious bigotry.

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
33. Don't quote me, but...
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 03:56 PM
Mar 2014

...I seem to recall from an earlier article that they had already transferred. I'm too tired to look it up.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
12. As a Buddhist I can totally relate.. to this some what...however
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 02:18 PM
Mar 2014

I went thought the San Francisco school system and many kids I grew up were Buddhists like myself or something different. No one ever challenged us on our religion nor did I even see it in college. But Its hard enough for them if they are Asian and Buddhist especially if they are living in an Area where Christians believe your religion has absolutely no merit and you are an idiot for not accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and master. People have tried to convert me over the years, but I enjoy what I was brought up with, and have no desire to make those kind of changes.. and wonder what would happen if I were as aggressive trying to get someone to be Buddhist.. probably would be laughed at... so of course I would never do anything like that... but as for this family I am happy for them, and glad they got some kind of recourse.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
26. I totally understand that....
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 03:19 PM
Mar 2014

Small minded people who think in terms of black or white. They have no real concept of the world and its an us vs them mentality. They would rather go burn down a mosque, or temple than have to deal with people on their own level. They say the preach the world of love..but love to them is roasting marshmallows over the ashes of newly burned building that might have housed some believers they don't "take a liking to".

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
30. I have to admit the comment section was excellent especially this ~~
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 03:33 PM
Mar 2014


?

Avatar
bibleexpert • 2 hours ago

Actually it’s the teacher who’s stupid, as she seems unaware there is no such thing as a “Buddhist faith.” In contrast with many religions that require adherence to a specified religious doctrine, the Buddha himself emphasized that nobody should believe anything he said just because he said it; that people should verify the truth of his assertions in their own experience. One could reasonably argue that the Noble Eightfold Path constitutes the “doctrine” of Buddhism, and believing that following it is spiritually beneficial constitutes “having faith.”
But, in contrast with the convoluted doctrines of a number of other religions, the Noble Eightfold Path essentially constitutes nothing more than good advice. If you choose to follow it – or attempt to follow it – and discover that it seems to be helping you to make progress on the spiritual path, then you could be accused of “having faith.” However – in stark contrast to, for example, the “faith” that Jesus was the only son of God (btw, the Biblical evidence on this point is very weak), performed a bunch of miracles, rose from the dead, etc. – this would be a faith based on verification by personal experience, rather than on accepting the authority of the source, or imagined source, of a written document.
There is one amusing aspect to this incident. Rita Roark is clearly oblivious to the fact that a careful reading of the New Testament strongly suggests that Jesus came into contact with – and was influenced by – Buddhist teachings.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
32. Show that to a typical Bible Belt type and their "brain" will fade after the first line....
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 03:46 PM
Mar 2014

Then they'll claim it's all a bunch of crap and, "Yew are goin' straight to Hayll."

I have met people who honestly believe God is in the sky living on the clouds (Kinda like Zeus on Mount Olympus) and if you dig too deep you will reach Hell.

They also believe that when you die you will be judged and your whole life should be devoted to that day because if you have displeased their God you will be cast out of paradise and burn for all time,...for things like copping a feel in a movie theater.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
43. isn't it amazing that there are photos like this...AND YET...
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 04:18 PM
Mar 2014


There are no PHOTOGRAPHS of a guy in WHITE BEARD standing on a cloud with lighting bolts in his hand. Some people Clearly HAVE never made it into the 21st Century....(Though they were born here!)

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
51. I never thought of putting it like that!
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 04:44 PM
Mar 2014

That is a great way to illustrate it. We're not the ones who said their god is up in the sky, they are. Why hasn't he been seen then? Is he just super tiny? If they make the argument that that is not literal then we can say exactly, the entire bible is not to be taken literally.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
88. *Facepalm*
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 07:41 AM
Mar 2014

People laughed at the infamous Soviet poster that showed a cosmonaut waving, with the slogan "THERE IS NO GOD" - as if Christians actually, literally believe that God is a bearded man sitting on a cloud, just because he is sometimes depicted that way in art. And yet 50-ish years later, the same argument is being heralded as a pearl of wisdom on DU. I despair sometimes.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
93. But millions of Americans do believe this stuff.
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 12:48 PM
Mar 2014

They think Adam and Eve were the first humans, Noah really did put all the animals onto the ark for the worldwide flood, and God is a bearded Caucasian man sitting in the clouds. And these are not necessarily the most hardcore creationist/Baptist types -- many Christians from moderate/mainstream sects buy these stories. The very basis for the religion is that a carpenter born of a deity raped-virgin died and came back to life and will return to Earth some day soon.

And evolution is rejected by tens of millions of Americans.

Frankly, it's a pathetic state of affairs in the 21st century.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
97. But I don't think even young Earth creationists believe that God is literally "in the sky"
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 03:30 AM
Mar 2014

If you ask them, they will usually tell you that God is everywhere. It's not even a question of rejecting biblical literalism, since nowhere does the Bible describe God the Father as a bearded man sitting on a cloud.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
94. Then why can't christians get it throught their head that the bible is not to be taken literally?
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 02:24 PM
Mar 2014

They believe the earth is 6,000 years old and that Jesus rode dinosaurs. Not that far off from a bearded man sitting on a cloud.

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
96. Would you care to meet --
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 02:43 PM
Mar 2014

some of the people I know who pretty much believe in a man with a white beard living up in an invisible heaven and who sits on a throne? I went through 12 years of Catholic school with many Italians and Latinas who believe this absolutely.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
59. Some of these types have never been out of their little podunk town....
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 05:19 PM
Mar 2014

Tell them you're from California and they'll tell the kids to go out and play so they aren't exposed to your heathen ways.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
60. Yes and I am sure Hawaii (to them) is another country....which is why
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 05:26 PM
Mar 2014

The President has been accused of being a foreigner. I have often heard Right wingers laugh over CALIFORNIA:"The land of fruits and nuts". Some have even moved here with the idea they could change the state from the ground up. Its not going to happen. There are too many kinds of people here to tolerate that kind of thinking. Most of us grew up surrounded by people of all races, colors and creeds. We grew up in communities filled with different culture and food. I remember my Vietnamese friends taking myself and my other friends to a Viet Restaurant for the first time. I was with several who were of Chinese, Korean and Hispanic decent. All of us had a blast. I will never forget the kindness I have met in those early days of high school.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
61. New York is like that with multi-culturalism....
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 05:32 PM
Mar 2014

These types HATE the idea of "mixed race" and take pride in their whiteness.

It's considered to be a major scandal when one of them has what they call, "a trick baby".

Orrex

(63,195 posts)
16. Has Jay Sekulow weighed in yet?
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 02:32 PM
Mar 2014

He'll never stand for this gross attack on the founding Christian principles of the US of A!

msongs

(67,385 posts)
18. schools are heavily infested by christianist teachers using insidious methods to promote their
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 02:37 PM
Mar 2014

religious beliefs.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
23. One of (though certainly not the only) the reasons I cannot stand evangelicals...
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 03:06 PM
Mar 2014

I don't believe any of it...I was raised Catholic but have not been one since I reached the age of reason as George Carlin once said; but even so, I never ever understood evangelicals, or their vigor for telling other people how wrong their own beliefs were and how they MUST convert to the beliefs of the proselytizer or be damned...it comes across as very phony and desperate to seek validation of your own personal credulity by compelling others to join your belief system.

Long ago I reached the conclusion that "God" and "eternal life" - (which is ALWAYS what these simpletons want to pimp the most, most of the time never stopping to consider that eternal ANYTHING is not something to be desired or sought in the first place...) - as described by most of these zealots is a logical impossibility due to a simple fact - the ultimate punishment, for me, would be to force me to spend eternity with the believers; therefore, their "heaven" would only be my "hell", and cannot exist simultaneously as both things at the same time. Either its "heaven" or its "hell", but it can't be both and that is all the "proof" I need.

But anywho...on point here, the jackasses in the South who insist on acting this way need to be shown the door by the people trapped in the South who are NOT actively trying to devolve in order to disprove evolution!

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
64. Tell me about it.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 06:34 PM
Mar 2014

The high school chorus here in Be*oit Wi has a serious problem with music selection. Their idea of religious diversity is changing from Latin to English (I did hear a badly done Hymn in Swahili once).
In the last year and a half, I'm guessing about 75% of their music is christian (new fundie director). The old guy picked about 60% christian music.
I asked the old director why so pro-christian (while wearing my Kippar {in Yiddish; Yarmulke}). He claimed the parents voted to allow it, they wanted it. Don't remember there being a call for a vote; Don't remember the subject of church and state being debatable. New director keeps away from me.

I have a mixed marriage, and members of my wife's family lean to being fundies. Peace in the house outweighs whatever imagined glee at kicking this hornets nest. For the time being. Last kid in the system still has two years to go.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
29. This would have faded into the woodwork
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 03:29 PM
Mar 2014

If the superintendent wasn't a complete idiot. If she simply would have told the parents she would speak to the teacher, then told the teacher to quit it, firing her if she refused (of course at most schools that is easier said than done) it would have been over.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
31. This could be an area
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 03:45 PM
Mar 2014

where the superintendent is elected, rather than appointed. If elected, he/she knows that they will not be getting votes next time around because of the religious folk won't stand for such a superintendent bowing to the wishes of the heathen. The superintendent played it right - she was "forced" to comply because the godless government made her do it. Now, she's a martyr to the faith, the people support her for the next election, everything is rosy.
However, if she was appointed by the board - then look at the board more closely. She is just blowing in whatever wind is coming from their direction.

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
21. Wow, overt racism at the superintendent level?
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 03:02 PM
Mar 2014

Obviously, they don't hold with that "political correctness" type stuff, only "political incorrectness."

tea and oranges

(396 posts)
25. Good News on the Court Decision
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 03:13 PM
Mar 2014

But, as this is a junior high school, WTF is up w/ the question: “ISN’T IT AMAZING WHAT THE _____________ HAS MADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

Let's assume for a moment it's a legit question (ugh!), doesn't it seem a little, I dunno, 2nd grade-like rather than junior high? Dumbed-down a little. OK. Stoopid. As if the schools are deliberately teaching ignorance.

Plus, I consider use of more than 1 "!" a true sign of semi-literacy.




tea and oranges

(396 posts)
57. Guarantee
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 05:13 PM
Mar 2014

The teacher involved, Ms Biddyshingle, wouldn't know what that meant. (I find myself resisting the urge to add 20 or more exclamation marks - this shit's getting to me.)

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
35. All teachers/school board members forced to take ACLU approved training re 1st Amendment!
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 04:03 PM
Mar 2014

"She also ordered that all members of the school board, as well as all faculty — both current and incoming — be trained by an attorney approved by the ACLU and the ACLU of Louisiana as to their responsibilities with respect to the First Amendment. The training will emphasize the “the psychological and developmental impact of religious discrimination on students.”

frylock

(34,825 posts)
36. i hope the district gets their balls sued the the walls and that these two idiots..
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 04:05 PM
Mar 2014

are out of work right soon.

James48

(4,429 posts)
37. Data
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 04:06 PM
Mar 2014

Many, LA (Sabine Parish) Demographics

923.4 people per square mile (356.4/km²). There were 1,272 housing units at an average density of 406.5 per square mile (156.9/km²). The racial makeup of the town was 48.18% White, 47.42% African American, 1.70% Native American, 0.48% Asian, 0.03% Pacific Islander, 0.28% from other races, and 1.90% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1.70% of the population.

There were 1,073 households out of which 32.2% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 34.6% were married couples living together, 23.9% had a female householder with no husband present, and 38.3% were non-families. 34.8% of all households were made up of individuals and 15.6% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.41 and the average family size was 3.14.

In the town the population was spread out with 26.5% under the age of 18, 10.8% from 18 to 24, 23.7% from 25 to 44, 20.9% from 45 to 64, and 18.0% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 36 years. For every 100 females there were 82.4 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 76.3 males.

The median income for a household in the town was $20,000, and the median income for a family was $24,329. Males had a median income of $28,500 versus $15,870 for females. The per capita income for the town was $12,153. About 28.4% of families and 35.5% of the population were below the poverty line, including 46.7% of those under age 18 and 26.3% of those age 65 or over.



I guess they have a ways to go.

illachick

(28 posts)
42. This **** has the nerve to call herself educating others!
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 04:17 PM
Mar 2014

I think the fact that this woman is a teacher makes her ignorance worse. A school teacher is supposed to be the very embodiment of knowledge and understanding and tolerating differences because they must inevitably deal with students from different backgrounds everyday, but her ignorance is disgusting. I don't necessarily subscribe to anyone's religion, nor do I subscribe to atheism, in fact I find overly religious and overly atheist people alike to be a little annoying. I think there could be some good discussion regarding the balance of what schools are able to teach as far as Creationism vs. Evolution and all that jazz.

Lucky Luciano

(11,253 posts)
44. Holy crap.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 04:19 PM
Mar 2014

The teacher and the superintendent should both be fired and their pensions should be stripped.
They should also be permanently blackballed.

mackerel

(4,412 posts)
47. If the parents had not taken this to court,
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 04:37 PM
Mar 2014

I honestly wouldn't have believed that this would happen in this day and age in any school district in the U.S.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
65. Let me assure you, it happens
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 06:45 PM
Mar 2014

I do believe most teachers at least attempt to keep proselytizing out of school and most work hard to keep their biases and prejudices under wrap ... but ....

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
66. This is one time when I wish it was possible to...........
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 06:46 PM
Mar 2014

Demand the teacher's dismissal and have state teaching credentials terminated permanently and make the teacher apologize, undergo diversity training and pay the student for pain and suffering.

It is only when these nut cases have to pay up will they stop their repressive tactics.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
71. those articles are amazing
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 08:42 PM
Mar 2014

wow.

This is the High School's logo:



eta look at this blog post -

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/01/23/this-district-just-got-sued-for-teaching-creationism-offering-extra-credit-for-writing-bible-verses-on-tests-more/

She demands that students write a Bible verse or “Isn’t it amazing what the Lord has made” at the bottom of exams and assignments if they want extra credit. Roark writes “Yes!” next to the verse or religious affirmation and awards students five additional points when they comply with this mandate.

In social studies class, which Roark also teaches, she presents Biblical accounts of persons, places, and events as fact. For example, on a handout asking, “What mountain did Moses supposedly get the Ten Commandments from,” Roark crossed out the word “supposedly.” She also has told students that the Bible is “100% true” and that “scientists are slowly finding out that everything in the Bible is accurate.”


 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
68. I'm surprised nobody in this thread attempted a correct answer
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 07:04 PM
Mar 2014

I'm torn among:

"hydrogen atom"

"ionization states of carbon"

and

"fourth entry in the second race at Aqueduct"

kath

(10,565 posts)
70. Do lawsuits like these ever result in monetary damages being paid to the defendent or any sort of
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 07:57 PM
Mar 2014

Fine being levied aginst the teacher or the district?
They should be punished for such an intentional egregious violation of the Constitution, and for bullying and humiliating this student. Freakin' assholes.

flvegan

(64,407 posts)
75. Jesus Christ, the Christian God who was a Jew and an Essene?
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 12:01 AM
Mar 2014

Living far more the life of a Buddhist than a "Christian" by modern take in both His time and in what He left for us? Hot diggity damn, stop being fucking idiots.

What's funny is that a closed-minded and brainwashed dumbfuck like Roark can't open a can of brain cells and understand that what you idiots call "buddhists" are also Christians. We just live the life the He wanted us to. Unlike you hateful idiots.

Deal with it.

Dyedinthewoolliberal

(15,563 posts)
76. Wow!
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 12:03 AM
Mar 2014

I call for, in the spirit of St. Patricks Day, a round of firings starting with the Superintendent............

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
77. Those of you who want it to be uber-difficult to fire teachers take note
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 12:09 AM
Mar 2014

Careful what you wish for; all that bureaucratic BS only protects teachers like this clown.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
82. Talibornagains learn what religious freedom actually means
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 03:23 AM
Mar 2014

and not what they want to believe it is.

I feel sorry for anyone who has to go to school in that district - Ebarb should have never been in the job if this was her response.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
83. The great thing about that test question, though, is the near-infinite comedy of potential answers.
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 03:30 AM
Mar 2014

Last edited Tue Mar 18, 2014, 04:40 AM - Edit history (1)

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  • Human COLON

  • Comintern's latest 5 year plan

  • Globe-Spanning Computer Network that recently achieved sentience

  • Yellow Sac spider I put in your desk


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  • mountain grammy

    (26,613 posts)
    90. I have a whole family of inlaws who really believe
    Tue Mar 18, 2014, 10:58 AM
    Mar 2014

    all of America's problems are the result of taking God out of public schools. If all children were introduced to Jesus in school, everything else would take care of itself. And if you don't believe it, well, they are armed to the teeth.

    I am in awe that people of "normal" intelligence see this as the answer, and the only answer, for America. To reduce all life to a simple, black and white scripture has got to be an amazing act of will for our complicated brains.

    valerief

    (53,235 posts)
    92. They're not of normal intelligence. Their intelligence has been usurped by
    Tue Mar 18, 2014, 11:08 AM
    Mar 2014

    brainwashing, and they've been left with a reasoning disability. As long as they're in that state, they can't claim normal intelligence, because it requires reason.

    okaawhatever

    (9,461 posts)
    98. I am playing this image in my head of the Buddhist child, knowing he is now untouchable
    Wed Mar 19, 2014, 05:48 AM
    Mar 2014

    scholastically from this teacher, decides to mess with said teacher and play up the "War on Christmas" meme. It involves the Buddhist child channeling Samuel L Jackson's character in Pulp Fiction. "Say Merry Christmas one more time" "I dare ya, I double dare ya"
    I won't go any further, but in my head it's hilarious.

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