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William769

(55,145 posts)
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 02:12 PM Mar 2014

Oregon Attorney General Rules Against Backers of Anti-Gay ‘Religious Freedom’ Ballot Measure

Oregon Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum sided against proponents of an Oregon ballot measure that would allow faith-based exemptions to non-discrimination laws, The Oregonian reports.

Proponents had avoided ballot measure language that mentioned the word ‘discrimination’ in their ‘Protect Religious Freedom Initiative’.

Rosenblum disagreed, issuing a ballot title that reads:


“Religious belief” exceptions to anti-discrimination laws for refusing services, other, for same-sex ceremonies, “arrangements”

This was the language sought by opponents of the ballot measure such as Oregon United for Marriage as it “makes clear this measure creates exemptions to non-discrimination laws.” Ballot supporters such as Friends of Religious Freedom, however, object to the title, claiming that the mention of discrimination is “politically charged” and that the unfair wording will stigmatize the measure. It’s very likely they’ll appeal to the Oregon Supreme Court.

http://www.towleroad.com/2014/03/oregon-attorney-general-sides-against-religious-objection-ballot.html

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Oregon Attorney General Rules Against Backers of Anti-Gay ‘Religious Freedom’ Ballot Measure (Original Post) William769 Mar 2014 OP
Good. Can't believe that this would pass in Oregon. longship Mar 2014 #1
Agreed. William769 Mar 2014 #2
We're something of "a state divided." Lizzie Poppet Mar 2014 #5
It can even get passed in years with a presidential election davidpdx Mar 2014 #22
I feel sorry for these people. Their entire lives are consumed by hatred for us. Zorra Mar 2014 #3
Yes it would. William769 Mar 2014 #4
Such un-Christian Attitudes... leftieNanner Mar 2014 #11
Do NOT be fooled. This is (and always has been) about $$$. closeupready Mar 2014 #21
I am sick of these people hiding behind their "religion". sheshe2 Mar 2014 #6
Springfield, Oregon was the first! central scrutinizer Mar 2014 #7
Also just another attempt to drain money from resources. Business as usual. glinda Mar 2014 #8
It would be wonderful to get "Religious Beliefs" codified dickthegrouch Mar 2014 #9
Lovely folks, these anti-gay bigots theHandpuppet Mar 2014 #10
It should not be possible in this country... DeadLetterOffice Mar 2014 #12
Good. Because once the Bible-beaters are lawfully untethered from Civil law, they WILL EXPAND beyond blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #13
Yay, Oregon! Thanks William! Cha Mar 2014 #14
Thanks Cha. William769 Mar 2014 #15
I should be a little absent.. I'm Cha Mar 2014 #16
Already been there & done that! William769 Mar 2014 #17
Did ya get in the Cha Mar 2014 #18
A meme needs to be created... CubicleGuy Mar 2014 #19
K&R awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #20

longship

(40,416 posts)
1. Good. Can't believe that this would pass in Oregon.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 02:19 PM
Mar 2014

But it's great that if it has to be on the ballot that it will read accurately as to its effects.
R&

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
5. We're something of "a state divided."
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 02:34 PM
Mar 2014

Last edited Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:21 AM - Edit history (1)

Those parts of Oregon that aren't the Willamette Valley, Ashland, and maybe part of Bend can be pretty darned conservative, and it's often a notably religious variety of conservatism. Oregon seems very "blue" because our urban population is big enough to tip presidential elections that way (and because we have some pioneering progressive reforms to be proud of). However, the numbers gap isn't that large. We've elected Republican senators, governors, etc...and the state legislature is often too close to call. Ballot measures like that can get passed here, particularly in non-presidential years.

I very much doubt such a measure would pass constitutional muster even if it passed. This is a problem with our ballot initiative system, actually: blatantly unconstitutional stuff that should never make it to a vote can actually pass, causing a huge waste of money when the Attorney General is forced to make some sort of (doomed) defense of the measure in court.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
22. It can even get passed in years with a presidential election
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 04:45 AM
Mar 2014

Look at 2004 when measure 36 got passed. It is absolutely madding. I'm overseas and voted. When I saw the election results I was just shocked. I was like what the ****?

Hopefully this year it will be resolved.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
3. I feel sorry for these people. Their entire lives are consumed by hatred for us.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 02:25 PM
Mar 2014

The atmosphere in their churches would probably make any decent person nauseous.

leftieNanner

(15,082 posts)
11. Such un-Christian Attitudes...
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 01:14 PM
Mar 2014

from those who profess to be Christians. Any honest reading of the Gospels would preclude this kind of behavior. Jesus just wasn't that kind of guy. I'm a Southern Oregon Episcopalian and we proudly support the Marriage Equality initiative currently in process in our state. Glad this "Family" initiative is getting the title it deserves.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
21. Do NOT be fooled. This is (and always has been) about $$$.
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 05:30 PM
Mar 2014

The more hatred they support and validate, they more $ they make in donations.

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
6. I am sick of these people hiding behind their "religion".
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 02:49 PM
Mar 2014

I am glad the language was changed to show what it is really all about. Thank you AG Rosenblum.

Thanks for the news, William!

central scrutinizer

(11,648 posts)
7. Springfield, Oregon was the first!
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 03:07 PM
Mar 2014

Back in 1992, Springfield (right across the river from Eugene) passed the first anti-gay ordinance in the country.

http://www.qrd.org/qrd/usa/oregon/1992/springfield

Despite the failure of Ballot Measure Nine, Oregon still has the nation's first
anti-gay ordinance, which passed earlier in the year in the logging town of
Springfield. Measure 20-08 bans laws that protect gays and lesbians from
discrimination, as well as prevents the city of Springfield from "facilitating"
homosexuality.

Loretta Neet, local sponsor of the measure for the Oregon Citizen's Alliance
(OCA), claims that the ban has had no adverse effects to Springfield. Scott
Lively, OCA Spokesperson, claims that Springfield has experienced a growth
spurt since passage of Measure 20-08. Springfield's Mayor Bill Morrisette
claims that the initial outrage over the measure has subsided, and that they
receive only letters of praise for their pioneering work in discrimination. Lon
Mabon, Executive Director of the OCA, has pledged to export their anti-gay
legislation to neighboring states, including Washington and California.

glinda

(14,807 posts)
8. Also just another attempt to drain money from resources. Business as usual.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 03:32 PM
Mar 2014

But good call for sure but it will not stop until they are charged with the costs.

dickthegrouch

(3,172 posts)
9. It would be wonderful to get "Religious Beliefs" codified
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 04:10 PM
Mar 2014

as "establishments of religion" against which the State constitution says congress shall make no law.

DeadLetterOffice

(1,352 posts)
12. It should not be possible in this country...
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 03:59 PM
Mar 2014

...to have a voter referendum (essentially what ballot measures are) against BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS.
It consistently boggles my mind, and pisses me right the hell off, that anyone thinks it's ok to put discrimination to a Vote. GAH!
/rant

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
13. Good. Because once the Bible-beaters are lawfully untethered from Civil law, they WILL EXPAND beyond
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 10:36 PM
Mar 2014

discrimination against gay American citizens, to discrimination against

unwed mothers,

people on public assistance,

Atheists,

humanists,

secularists,

Lefties,

environmentalists,

DEMS,

women with short hair,

men with facial hair,

people who work on Sundays,

minor children,

racial and ethnic minorities,

etc.

CubicleGuy

(323 posts)
19. A meme needs to be created...
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 04:51 PM
Mar 2014

... that uses the cantina bartender's line in Star Wars Episode IV with regard to the droids: "We don't serve their kind here."

(And, for what it's worth, the actor who said that line passed away in 2001.)

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