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FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 06:01 PM Mar 2014

What/who is "The West"?

Current new stories often use the term "the west", as in "if Russia doesn't respond to the demand of 'the west', sanctions will be further escalated".

Who/what is "the west"?

What person or body speaks for "the west"?

Where can I find a good reference about "the west"?

Or are they just referring to some coterie of neo-Con foreign policy wonks in Washington?

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What/who is "The West"? (Original Post) FarCenter Mar 2014 OP
The West is normally Europe + North America. ManiacJoe Mar 2014 #1
So that would include Russia, which is in Europe? FarCenter Mar 2014 #2
No. Think USSR-era NATO. ManiacJoe Mar 2014 #4
Western Bloc Tx4obama Mar 2014 #3
That would be... Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #5
I'm not sure Austria and Sweden fit -- they were both formally neutral and neither is a NATO member FarCenter Mar 2014 #9
Austria and Sweden are "Western", though. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #10
AKA "the international community." Usually means Washington, Paris, London... Comrade Grumpy Mar 2014 #6
Kayne bigwillq Mar 2014 #7
guessing the cultural heirs/descendants/whatever of the Western Roman Empire?? eShirl Mar 2014 #8
"The West" Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #11
Euro-derived Western Civilization minus the former soviet bloc. eom TransitJohn Mar 2014 #12
 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
2. So that would include Russia, which is in Europe?
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 06:07 PM
Mar 2014

At least the part that is West of the Urals.

It would also include Byelorussia, Ukraine and maybe Georgia and Armenia?

I doubt that all of Europe is meant. I'm not sure where the line currently is, but it used to be west of the Iron Curtain. Even now, some may include Catholic Poland, but not Orthodox Bulgaria. Is orthodox Greece part of the West?

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
5. That would be...
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 06:36 PM
Mar 2014

US + UK + Germany + France + Italy + Austria + Belgium + Netherlands + Denmark + Norway + Sweden + Australia + New Zealand. "The West" in terms of foreign policy and such generally refers to COld War era NATO countries and allies; it also refers to "Western" culture (Protestant and Catholic Europe and by extension former British colonies in North America and Oceania vs Orthodox Christian Eastern Europe). As for "who speaks for the West" that would probably be NATO.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
9. I'm not sure Austria and Sweden fit -- they were both formally neutral and neither is a NATO member
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 06:44 PM
Mar 2014

But you left off Spain and Portugal, which have been NATO members of long standing.

On the cultural split, Greece and Cyprus would not be part of the west, although classical Greece is part of the western tradition.

If Australia and New Zealand are part of the west, what about Japan and South Korea?

"The West" is plainly a vague, bullshit term used by commentators to imply that all of the most important countries of the world agree with the US, whether they actually do or not.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
10. Austria and Sweden are "Western", though.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 07:05 PM
Mar 2014

In the sense of "Western European"; in its original sense the "West" refers to Western Christian countries vs Orthodox (and the split between "East" and "West" that goes back to the Middle Ages has remained fairly consistent since). Japan is not "Western" culturally. Neither is South Korea. They are in terms of alliances (with the US/NATO) in the post-WWII era. And no, there are clear divisions in international alignment, in history and culture, in conceptions of things like democracy and human rights, that make "the West" a useful term (in contrast to "the East" of Russia and aligned former Soviet republics in Central Asia).

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
6. AKA "the international community." Usually means Washington, Paris, London...
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 06:39 PM
Mar 2014

...and maybe Bonn, if they have some money.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
11. "The West"
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 07:15 PM
Mar 2014

The well-spring of all earthly travails without which the world would be an economic, ecological and ecumenical Paradise.

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