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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 07:03 AM Mar 2014

Bill Kristol Calls For Americans to be ‘Awakened and Rallied’ to War

John Glaser



Bill Kristol is not shy about his fetish for war. His latest piece at the neoconservative Weekly Standard borders on self-parody in the way that it openly longs for a return to a time when Americans were eager to send the U.S. military off on unnecessary, imperialistic adventures.

Kristol is frustrated by the “war-weariness” of the nation. He laments the reluctance on the part of the Republican Party to “challenge” “the idol of war-weariness.”

“A war-weary public can be awakened and rallied,” Kristol cheers. “Indeed, events are right now doing the awakening. All that’s needed is the rallying. And the turnaround can be fast.”

People like Kristol are so blinded by ideology that they breach the etiquette which calls on elite commentators to camouflage their enthusiasm for war with superficial appeals to peace. He loves death and destruction and wars of choice and he doesn’t care who knows it! He is way out of the closet. That he can explicitly call for Americans to be “awakened and rallied” for new wars and not be embarrassed by the Hitler-esque tone of such despicable cravings is an indication of how lacking in self-awareness he is. His foreign policy beliefs are the kind that are not susceptible to reasoning or disconfirming evidence. His worship for the warfare state is religious in its persuasion.

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http://antiwar.com/blog/2014/03/17/bill-kristol-calls-for-americans-to-be-awakened-and-rallied-to-war/

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Bill Kristol Calls For Americans to be ‘Awakened and Rallied’ to War (Original Post) n2doc Mar 2014 OP
"With 'special' AWOL deferments for us RepubliWankers. Smirk." - Billy K. (R - PNAC Chickenhawk) Berlum Mar 2014 #1
When I take over he's gonna be emptying bedpans at VA hospitals. n/t Smarmie Doofus Mar 2014 #2
Great idea. All those chickenhawks should have similar duty. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #21
That assumes he has empathy, let alone a sense of shame n/t sarge43 Mar 2014 #26
With his tongue if I had anything to say about it. n/t AAO Mar 2014 #47
omg, I cannot stop laughing .... MindMover Mar 2014 #76
Duplicate post! B Calm Mar 2014 #3
Calm down, B! AAO Mar 2014 #48
That chickenhawk punk wants to go into Iran so bad he can taste it Submariner Mar 2014 #4
No, he doesn't. Lasher Mar 2014 #12
So true. amandabeech Mar 2014 #63
They have drugs for that you know. We just need to turn his personal chef. AAO Mar 2014 #49
Here's a real test for you, Billy,... JHB Mar 2014 #5
No, he wants to raise OUR taxes, not his. n/t AAO Mar 2014 #50
Oh, I know. JHB Mar 2014 #64
You first, asshole! Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #6
my exact sentiments steve2470 Mar 2014 #35
His kids and grandkids too. pa28 Mar 2014 #87
When he picks up a gun and puts on a uniform JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #7
I give permission for him to go full on WOLVERINES!!! No uniform required. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #91
Ho-hum. Bill Kristol cries "Havoc!" yet again. Orrex Mar 2014 #8
There you go! tech3149 Mar 2014 #45
Bill Kristol cries Havoc and the dogs of war just pee on his carpet NuclearDem Mar 2014 #65
This time around I certainly hope so! Hekate Mar 2014 #68
“Very few wars in American history were prepared better or more throughly than this one jsr Mar 2014 #9
That should have knocked him off of all our media. What a clairvoyant pundit. Pundit = Pud whacker. AAO Mar 2014 #53
guess his stock in the M.I.C. must be losing $$$$$ dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #10
I hereby declare war on...Bill Kristol, the NeoCons, the Neolibs and Multinational Corporations Demeter Mar 2014 #11
They are clearly the real enemy. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #22
Bill's kids to the infantry would be a start. kairos12 Mar 2014 #13
Absolutely. First things first: warmongers need some skin in the game, deep in the trenches. nt Hekate Mar 2014 #69
Actually sending Bill himself would TBF Mar 2014 #75
I can't wait to go to war with Russia Pakid Mar 2014 #14
Nice picture. Eerily reminiscent of... Gidney N Cloyd Mar 2014 #15
Uncanny! nt Chef Eric Mar 2014 #25
Why doesn't he disclose his payola from the MIC? Dustlawyer Mar 2014 #16
"A new Pearl Harbor" would do the trick WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #17
But however do we get the Chinese Navy air core to attack us again? AAO Mar 2014 #55
He needs to get a life and quit trying to start wars. What a psychopath....... think Mar 2014 #18
Sure thing, Bill . . . OldRedneck Mar 2014 #19
Billy, gather your whole family together rurallib Mar 2014 #20
I'm not going to K&R on this piece of shit. TRoN33 Mar 2014 #23
Maybe you won't R, but you just K'd. AAO Mar 2014 #56
A return to a time when Americans were eager to send the U.S. MILITARY off ........... Theyletmeeatcake2 Mar 2014 #24
This from the man who has been wrong about everything. Liberal In Texas Mar 2014 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Paladin Mar 2014 #39
They forgot that that's called "offense". AAO Mar 2014 #57
looks a lot like putin in that pic spanone Mar 2014 #28
wow you are totally right. check out this picture i found 8-) Garion_55 Mar 2014 #32
wow, amazing ain't it? spanone Mar 2014 #88
You first, asshole... truebrit71 Mar 2014 #29
Bill may get his war 90-percent Mar 2014 #30
"serve their country" That phrase is discusting. L0oniX Mar 2014 #34
I agree 90-percent Mar 2014 #43
We're the ones being served. AAO Mar 2014 #58
Time for Chicken hawk Privileged Like Bill fascisthunter Mar 2014 #31
Calling Dr Strangelove ...Dr Strangelove wanted at ICBM launch pad control. L0oniX Mar 2014 #33
Judas Asscarrot? AAO Mar 2014 #59
+ Good L0oniX Mar 2014 #74
Someone should put him on the front lines. Baitball Blogger Mar 2014 #36
I Am Amazed That There Are Still People Who Think Of War As A Game Liberal_Dog Mar 2014 #37
Oink oink oink goes the war pig Blue Owl Mar 2014 #38
Go right on ahead, you go first you sleazy fuckface. Autumn Mar 2014 #40
Well and ... 3catwoman3 Mar 2014 #42
Pisshead toby jo Mar 2014 #41
Billy the K... 3catwoman3 Mar 2014 #44
Great, Bill, let's start WWIII. AAO Mar 2014 #46
The real truth is that this nation is no shape for another war Yavin4 Mar 2014 #51
It depends, to be fair nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #77
Put yourself out to pastre Bill. riversedge Mar 2014 #52
Pastre? Like a Danish? Sure let's send him to the country that makes the best pastries! AAO Mar 2014 #62
ghoul grasswire Mar 2014 #54
The Weekly Standard needs a comments section. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #60
Ha! You think they didn't want to leave themselves open to what the public really thinks of them? Hekate Mar 2014 #71
Weekly Standard Editor Address PADemD Mar 2014 #89
How many war-profit companies is he invested in? polichick Mar 2014 #61
Chickenhawk want to send thousand of more young men and women to their death. Dawson Leery Mar 2014 #66
Glad to see he's already volunteered and is in uniform awaiting deployment! Oh, wait.... Hekate Mar 2014 #67
I've been doing a lot of reading on the 1880-1914 period and this attitude gives me the willies MisterP Mar 2014 #70
? You left out Pearl Harbor, for some reason. That was a real event, you know. nt Hekate Mar 2014 #72
The Neocons will never give up Gothmog Mar 2014 #73
I wi support his call to war as soon as he completes Basic and is assigned a front line duty station Vincardog Mar 2014 #78
Bloody Billy, still dreaming the neocon Danse Macabre. idendoit Mar 2014 #79
Great Turbineguy Mar 2014 #80
he needs to be exiled from teevee. + positions in govt. pansypoo53219 Mar 2014 #81
"Reawakened and rallied" means "distracted from ruling class' predations." Orsino Mar 2014 #82
Lizzie Poppet calls for Kristol to shut his festering, septic pie hole. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2014 #83
If anyone was ever in need of a rubber room damnedifIknow Mar 2014 #84
So hand him a gun and a plane ticket to the Ukraine Warpy Mar 2014 #85
Enlist, Bill! muntrv Mar 2014 #86
Erect bogeyman, wave flag, give more money to the MIC, send in the troops..or bombers. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #90
Why doesn't he serve in the illegal wars that he loves so much? Initech Mar 2014 #92
He's a foul excuse for a human being Aerows Mar 2014 #93

Submariner

(12,503 posts)
4. That chickenhawk punk wants to go into Iran so bad he can taste it
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 07:35 AM
Mar 2014

he is so disappointed with Bush gone his hopes of a worldwide PNAC war hasn't taken out Iran yet. Kristol needs to come down with a stroke or something that gets him into a living assistance facility for those with early dementia.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
5. Here's a real test for you, Billy,...
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 07:37 AM
Mar 2014

...since you're obviously not volunteering for the front lines:

What's your plan to raise your own taxes to pay for it? If you think it's that important, why aren't you willing to put your money into it?

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
35. my exact sentiments
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 10:25 AM
Mar 2014

These assholes get so brave when it's other people's children and grandchildren who will be fighting, dying and getting injured/suffering from PTSD.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
87. His kids and grandkids too.
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 09:11 PM
Mar 2014

He needs to load them into the car and take them to the recruiting office.

TheKentuckian

(25,023 posts)
91. I give permission for him to go full on WOLVERINES!!! No uniform required.
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 01:24 AM
Mar 2014

He can grab his gear and fly over on his own dime and fight for whatever he deems right.

Orrex

(63,200 posts)
8. Ho-hum. Bill Kristol cries "Havoc!" yet again.
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 08:39 AM
Mar 2014

I defy anyone to point to a single instance when Bill Kristol was right about anything while opposing the prevailing wisdom.

It's amazing that he still finds work. If I were as bad at my job as he is at his (nominal) job, I'd be living on the street.


tech3149

(4,452 posts)
45. There you go!
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 11:45 AM
Mar 2014

"When was Bill Kristol right about anything?" Pretty much never but he and his ilk still get prime time coverage about anything they say. That's one of the reasons I pretty much tuned out commercial media and rely on those commie, pinko, listener/viewer supported media that isn't bought off.

jsr

(7,712 posts)
9. “Very few wars in American history were prepared better or more throughly than this one
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 08:52 AM
Mar 2014

by this president.”
― Bill Kristol, March 1, 2003

 

AAO

(3,300 posts)
53. That should have knocked him off of all our media. What a clairvoyant pundit. Pundit = Pud whacker.
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 01:22 PM
Mar 2014

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
10. guess his stock in the M.I.C. must be losing $$$$$
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 08:52 AM
Mar 2014

now that we are theoretically leaving Afghanistan.

Maybe he should invest in Russia.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
11. I hereby declare war on...Bill Kristol, the NeoCons, the Neolibs and Multinational Corporations
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 09:03 AM
Mar 2014

will that do ya, Bill?

TBF

(32,047 posts)
75. Actually sending Bill himself would
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 06:45 PM
Mar 2014

be the best start. I kind of feel bad for his offspring ...

Pakid

(478 posts)
14. I can't wait to go to war with Russia
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 09:12 AM
Mar 2014

and be turn into a piece of burnt toast in the nuclear exchange. I have a better idea how about if we grow up and start acting like something other than fools and Kristol you are at the head of the list of people who need to grow up

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,833 posts)
15. Nice picture. Eerily reminiscent of...
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 09:14 AM
Mar 2014


Krystol on "This Week" actually makes me miss George Will. He just reeks of smugness.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
16. Why doesn't he disclose his payola from the MIC?
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 09:14 AM
Mar 2014

It is probably all invested in MIC stocks too! Maybe Greenwald's group can do some digging on all of the chicken hawks, they will see the same thing for all I am sure!

rurallib

(62,406 posts)
20. Billy, gather your whole family together
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 09:19 AM
Mar 2014

Mom, Dad, Aunts, Uncles, kids and grandkids, nephews and nieces in one room.
Tell them that your whole family, you included will go and fight the great war. There is a good possibility you will be killed in a foreign land and never see loved ones again.
Tell them it is for liberty and freedom and it is time for someone to put Putin in his place.

Get them all spiffy uniforms and to Crimea.
Be sure to tell us how it comes out.

 

TRoN33

(769 posts)
23. I'm not going to K&R on this piece of shit.
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 09:27 AM
Mar 2014

I literally flip the middle finger toward this photo of douchebag, Kristol. He is a warmonger with zero regards for innocent deaths.

Theyletmeeatcake2

(348 posts)
24. A return to a time when Americans were eager to send the U.S. MILITARY off ...........
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 09:30 AM
Mar 2014

When weren't we in those times....which conflict doesn't involve the world's policeman!!!! Kristol is an absolute prick but don't fool yourselves that the U.S. Hasn't always got involved in other people's business....a couple of hundred foreign bases is proof.. it'd be good if someone research ed the proliferation of us bases in a timeline

Liberal In Texas

(13,546 posts)
27. This from the man who has been wrong about everything.
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 09:42 AM
Mar 2014

He and his chicken-hawk friends equate defense with aggression.

Response to Liberal In Texas (Reply #27)

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
29. You first, asshole...
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 09:43 AM
Mar 2014

...You want to get awakened? Get thee to Crimea and show us how it's supposed to be done...otherwise STFU...

90-percent

(6,829 posts)
30. Bill may get his war
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 10:03 AM
Mar 2014

All it will take is another cataclysmic "new Pearl Harbor" mass tragedy and if it's big enough, maybe we could reinstate the draft! Hopefully without all the "rich delicate young Republican deferments" that chicken hawks Cheney, Romney, Limbaugh and the rest of their ilk used when it was their time to serve their country.

-90% Jimmy

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
34. "serve their country" That phrase is discusting.
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 10:23 AM
Mar 2014

Seems we are already serving everyone else's country.

90-percent

(6,829 posts)
43. I agree
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 11:19 AM
Mar 2014

"serving their country" is a misnomer. What our military-industrial-congressional-security-complex really serves is the interests of Dick Cheney's 2001 Energy Task Force.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Task_Force

from the above wikipedia:
"Most of the activities of the Energy Task Force have not been disclosed to the public, even though Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests (since 19 April 2001) have sought to gain access to its materials."

WE ARE ALL DEEP STATERS NOW!

-90% Jimmy

 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
31. Time for Chicken hawk Privileged Like Bill
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 10:11 AM
Mar 2014

to be sent onto the front line as the one to fire the first shot! People like him are evil... they have no problem sacrificing good men and women for their fanatical dreams of empire. Why should we all sacrifice our own for the likes of a man like this... for his warped ego trip? He is a very sick man, and the only thing I can think of to stop the bleeding of our country is to lock up people like him for life.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
33. Calling Dr Strangelove ...Dr Strangelove wanted at ICBM launch pad control.
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 10:19 AM
Mar 2014

Assholes like him are one of the reasons we spend over 50% of the yearly budget on stuff to kill people and blow up shit. I want a country of peace and this asscarrot is an enemy of that.

Liberal_Dog

(11,075 posts)
37. I Am Amazed That There Are Still People Who Think Of War As A Game
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 10:42 AM
Mar 2014

I am reminded of that photo of a German crowd, including a young Adolf Hitler, celebrating the declaration of war in 1914. Celebrating as if war was a sporting event.

A hundred years later, and there are still those who haven't learned.

3catwoman3

(23,971 posts)
42. Well and ...
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 11:14 AM
Mar 2014

...succinctly put. I was trying to think of something pithy to say, but I can't top this.

 

toby jo

(1,269 posts)
41. Pisshead
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 10:54 AM
Mar 2014

We get a rightie in office and he'll have his wish. Any international event can be turned into something against our 'national security'.

Then they'll come down from the hills hooting and hollering their 'us v them' mentality.

Once upon a time, this country had potential.

3catwoman3

(23,971 posts)
44. Billy the K...
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 11:21 AM
Mar 2014

...needs a lobster bib to keep the warmongering drool off his tie.

I have often wondered if GWB had been the father of twin sons rather than twin daughters, if he would have been so hot to trot into war. Of course there are women in the military (I was one), but we are generally no where near as much at risk of dying while in.

Yavin4

(35,433 posts)
51. The real truth is that this nation is no shape for another war
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 01:20 PM
Mar 2014

Iraq and Afghanistan have worn us out. We can't muster up any kind force unless we went to a draft, and if we did have a draft, then this country would revolt en masse. It would make the 60s look like a picnic.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
77. It depends, to be fair
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 06:53 PM
Mar 2014

if we perceive this as a non necessary war, you are right. The 1960s would look like a real picnic

If it was perceived as a real poke in the eye (see Pearl Harbor), then you would have no problem with a draft. For the record, I think our neo cons are hoping with all their heart that we have a major attack on the mainland so we can have yet another war.

These men, and it is mostly men who refused to serve when they were young, are just sick. This is what they remind me off...

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
60. The Weekly Standard needs a comments section.
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 01:29 PM
Mar 2014

That might help to "awaken" Bill Kristol from his "slumber".

Hekate

(90,642 posts)
71. Ha! You think they didn't want to leave themselves open to what the public really thinks of them?
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 02:50 PM
Mar 2014

I'm sure DUers would all like to tell them.

Hekate

(90,642 posts)
67. Glad to see he's already volunteered and is in uniform awaiting deployment! Oh, wait....
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 02:38 PM
Mar 2014

...that kind of thing is not for the likes of him, or Cheney, or Rumsfeld, is it?

Bill Kristol can kiss my rosy Irish ass.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
70. I've been doing a lot of reading on the 1880-1914 period and this attitude gives me the willies
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 02:47 PM
Mar 2014

Last edited Tue Mar 18, 2014, 08:48 PM - Edit history (1)

but it's unsurprising: the except for that fire-balloon and 9-11 we've never had mass casualties from warlike acts (outside of our colonial territories, sorry): we've never had to pick up dozens of 8-year-olds in knickerbockers and throw them onto a pile for burning or bury infants covered in third-degree burns in the ashes of what used to be a whole city; and the wingers have had even less experience--Heinlein never saw combat and the neocons even less so

Wodehouse mocked the trend by having the Germans, Russians, Manchu, Pacific islanders, Rif rebels, Dervishes, Monegasques, and Swiss attack at once: he got the British mad because he was Dixie Chicking something they saw as Deadly Serious--the moment when the Fritzes Finally Would storm East Anglia, drag off our screaming women and line us up against the wall OMG OMG OMG

but this melodramatic nonsense--deeply coupled with calls for "preparedness" and conscription--flung everyone directly into a four-year vortex of death that wiped out half a generation

Gothmog

(145,126 posts)
73. The Neocons will never give up
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 04:33 PM
Mar 2014

The neocons have never seen a war or conflict that they think is a bad idea

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
78. I wi support his call to war as soon as he completes Basic and is assigned a front line duty station
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 07:00 PM
Mar 2014

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
82. "Reawakened and rallied" means "distracted from ruling class' predations."
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 07:08 PM
Mar 2014

Of which war is perhaps the biggest.

All Bloody Bill has to sell is such distraction.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
83. Lizzie Poppet calls for Kristol to shut his festering, septic pie hole.
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 07:11 PM
Mar 2014

That chickenhawk doucherocket can fuck right off.

Warpy

(111,243 posts)
85. So hand him a gun and a plane ticket to the Ukraine
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 07:44 PM
Mar 2014

and find out just how enthusiastic he really is about war.

That asshole needs to shut his ignorant mouth. Most of us are sick of right wing wars.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
90. Erect bogeyman, wave flag, give more money to the MIC, send in the troops..or bombers.
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 12:50 AM
Mar 2014

“A war-weary public can be awakened and rallied,” Kristol cheers.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
93. He's a foul excuse for a human being
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 10:47 PM
Mar 2014

He's never heard of a war that he didn't like, but he'd never serve in one.

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