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Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 03:05 PM Mar 2014

An oil crash is on its way and we should be ready

FIVE years ago the world was in the grip of a financial crisis that is still reverberating around the globe. Much of the blame for that can be attributed to weaknesses in human psychology: we have a collective tendency to be blind to the kind of risks that can crash economies and imperil civilisations.

I have watched captains of the energy and financial industries at work – frequently close to, often behind closed doors – as the financial crisis has played out and the oil price continued its inexorable rise. I have concluded that too many people across the top levels of business and government have found ways to close their eyes and ears to systemic risk-taking. Denial, I believe, has become institutionalised.

As a result of their complacency we face four great risks. The first and biggest is no surprise: climate change. We have way more unburned conventional fossil fuel than is needed to wreck the climate. Yet much of the energy industry is discovering and developing unconventional deposits – shale gas and tar sands, for example – to pile onto the fire, while simultaneously abandoning solar power just as it begins to look promising. It has been vaguely terrifying to watch how CEOs of the big energy companies square that circle. Second, we risk creating a carbon bubble in the capital markets. If policymakers are to achieve their goal of limiting global warming to 2 °C, 60 to 80 per cent of proved reserves of fossil fuels will have to remain in the ground unburned. If so, the value of oil and gas companies would crash and a lot of people would lose a lot of money.

Third, we risk being surprised by the boom in shale gas production. That, too, may prove to be a bubble, maybe even a Ponzi scheme. Production from individual shale wells declines rapidly, and large amounts of capital have to be borrowed to drill replacements. This will surprise many people who make judgement calls based on the received wisdom that limits to shale drilling are few. But I am not alone in these concerns. Even if the US shale gas drilling isn't a bubble, it remains unprofitable overall and environmental downsides are emerging seemingly by the week. According to the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality, whole towns in Texas are now running out of water, having sold their aquifers for fracking. I doubt that this is a boom that is going to appeal to the rest of the world; many others agree.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22029415.700#.UyiXF8J8M1o

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upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
2. How should one get ready ?
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 03:48 PM
Mar 2014

Whether it happens or not we aren't in any way in control of things.
Unless you understand what the effects will be you are hit or miss in trying to make changes in your life even if you could control outcomes.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
3. I'm just hoping that they don't say...
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 04:06 PM
Mar 2014

"bend over and kiss your ass goodbye" because i am not only unprepared for a global energy meltdown, I am not as flexible as I used to be!
I'm gonna bury my head in the sand and hope they aren't fracking in the area.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
4. There are many different opinions as to HOW or Whether we should "get ready",
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 05:06 PM
Mar 2014

and what exactly "getting ready" means.

There was an Economic Crash in Argentina in 2000,
and there are some very interesting reports from those who survived,
HOW they survived,
and what they now believe is important.

It is interesting reading:
http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/10.08/tshtf1.html


In 2006, my wife & I sold everything,
and bought property in the rural South surrounded by extensive National Forest.
We bought it outright so we would not be committed to a mortgage.

We chose the rural South for the LOW heating costs in Winter (wood stove),
and the abundance of clean water for the foreseeable future.
We have an On Property Mountain spring which supplies all of our water. (Drinking, bathing, and crop irrigation).

We live there now,
and grow a good percentage of our own food (vegetables, fruit, cultivated berries).
We keep chickens and honey bees too,
and are experimenting with local edible plants.

We didn't do this because we fear a collapse. We are NOT "survivalists" or "preppers".
We are just old Hippies who are attracted to the independent, sustainable, Green lifestyle,
though experiencing New Orleans shortly after Katrina DID supply some motivation for Lets DO this NOW.

We sincerely pray that a BIG collapse doesn't happen
because that would make things harder on us too,
though if something like that does happen we would do OK.

So far, so good.

---bvar22 & Starkraven
Living Well on a LOW Taxable Income
and stuff we learned in the 60s.


bvar22

(39,909 posts)
13. The cost of land where we bought it in rural Arkansas was (and still is) about $2000/acre.
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 06:48 PM
Mar 2014

This represents our life savings after 35 years of work, and our retirement.
We sold everything, and cashed out everything.
I realize we were very lucky to be able to do this.

We bought "distressed" property that was selling below the above price,
and have spent 7 years of sweat rehabbing the property.
Deals like this are still available here,
but this is not for everybody.

As to how many DUers can afford to do this now?
I have no idea. It was a little easier back in 2006 before the crash.
I said we were lucky.

There are other ways of doing this.
How creative are you?








Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
5. In the short term try to go solar/wind for home use..stay away from wildfire & sinkhole areas
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 05:10 PM
Mar 2014

Because of fracking and overuse, all the fresh water tables will remain low. I may try to move someplace where I can catch condensation

I'm also waiting for the plasma gasification industry to take off. No more garbage dumps! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_gasification

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
6. well if I had about $10K floating around, I'd re-insulate my family room,
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 05:13 PM
Mar 2014

close up the cheap and crappy, badly installed picture window on the ne wall, put a woodstove there, and re-open the original window on the se wall that some asshat closed off.

Soon as I come into the moolah...as in, soon as I win the lottery.

WCLinolVir

(951 posts)
8. Learn how to grow food.
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 05:35 PM
Mar 2014

And store some. Learn how to can and dry food. The initial outlay isn't inexpensive but worth the effort in terms of quality of life. Many winter squash will keep for months if stored in a cooler place. I have been using canned food as well as frozen and realize it is also a quality of life issue as well. Good organic food preserved has been so much better than the cans at the supermarket. Get a pressure cooker and learn how to use it. It's not hard, and it can be used as a hot water bath as well. If you consider the price of organic tomato sauce, you will come out ahead. Also learn where to wild harvest. Last year I found a large patch of wild black raspberries and made a pie as well as 6 pints of quality jam. One easy thing to do is grow a bunch of basil and make pesto to freeze in muffin tins. Yummy!! I highly recommend Gardenweb for canning help. Someone is always willing to help you do it right.

FreeJoe

(1,039 posts)
7. What does he mean by an oil crash?
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 05:32 PM
Mar 2014

If production falls behind demand, oil prices will go higher and oil companies will make lots of money. Is that a crash?

If oil prices crash, that means that demand will have fallen faster than production. Absent restrictions on consumption, that will lead to an increase in consumption and a decrease in production.

One possibility of for an oil crash would be a sharp decline in the use of oil either because of a meaningful carbon tax or rapid growth in non-fossil fuel usage. Neither of those scenarios seems very likely in the short run.

 

4dsc

(5,787 posts)
9. Peak oil would mean something way different
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 05:56 PM
Mar 2014

If we lose upwards of 20-30% of worldwide oil production, as predicted, the consequences would be devastating.

FreeJoe

(1,039 posts)
17. The future for oil appears headed lower
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 01:41 PM
Mar 2014

I don't know if it is because we are going to see oil production decline or demand for oil decline, but the price of oil is predicted to get lower in the next five years. You can buy and sell oil on the futures market. The cost for oil today is about $100/bbl. If you want to buy a barrel of oil to be delivered next year, you can get one for only $90. If you want it in 2019, it is only $80.

Maybe the market is totally wrong. If you believe that, you can make some easy money speculating. Maybe the market is predicting that we'll get serious about global warming and that carbon taxes will lower demand for oil. I have no idea. I just have it on my list of things not to worry much about. When I see futures prices start to go up, I'll get worried.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
10. Suggestions On What To Do Are Helpful... However
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 06:01 PM
Mar 2014

too many of us are living on limited funds already. Living off the land for people living in cities isn't really an option. THEN, there's another problem with growing your own food. For people who work and CAN grow some food, there are people who help themselves to what you grow. Very hard to keep these things under lock & key.

I'm just putting some facts out here because I've seen with my own eyes people stealing fruit off of trees that are in people's yard. I live in Florida & it happens all the time. I know I can't pack up and move elsewhere, but I do have a yard & can grow some produce. I see the book referenced here & may look into it, but I HAVE grown vegetables in the past. I always had BIG problems with growing tomatoes. FOUR problems that always cropped up, pun intended. First, cut worms, 2nd white flies, 3rd sun blisters, 4th as soon as tomato starts to turn THE BIRDS start pecking at them, or another critter and there are some others such as blossom drop because of temp changes.

Having a garden is great, but not everyone has a green thumb and for those who work, it's time consuming even IF you do have a green thumb. I do agree it's a super idea and much needed, but situations don't always work out as you wanted them to. Not trying to throw cold water on suggestions, still far too many are unable to even give it a try. Sorry for being negative, really want to feel otherwise!

 

demoncrat

(8 posts)
11. Fracking has been used for 65 years
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 06:12 PM
Mar 2014

you don't have to use water. In the past many used oil and recently some have started using butane. It is very profitable to drill the shale at 100 dollars a barrel.

NickB79

(19,219 posts)
14. Silly people, thinking environmental impacts matter to businesses
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 06:54 PM
Mar 2014
If policymakers are to achieve their goal of limiting global warming to 2 °C, 60 to 80 per cent of proved reserves of fossil fuels will have to remain in the ground unburned. If so, the value of oil and gas companies would crash and a lot of people would lose a lot of money.


A simple observation of world politics right now easily cracks this conundrum: the policymakers DON'T CARE about limiting global warming. For every empty word about addressing climate change, there's a new frack well or deep-sea oil derrick going in somewhere.

See? Problem solved

As for this:
I doubt that this is a boom that is going to appeal to the rest of the world; many others agree.


That is patently untrue: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-11-14/2014-outlook-shale-fracking-goes-global

The hydraulic fracturing of shale in search of oil and gas has hardly started outside the U.S., but that’s changing. A record 400 shale wells may be drilled beyond U.S. borders in 2014, with most of the activity in China and Russia, according to energy consultants Wood Mackenzie. (In contrast, thousands of shale wells will be drilled in the U.S. next year.) The number of rigs used onshore in Europe and the Asia-Pacific region has increased 10 percent over the past year, data compiled by oil services company Baker Hughes (BHI) show. Most of those rigs are meant for shale. “It’s likely there will be a revolution,” says Maria van der Hoeven, executive director at the Paris-based International Energy Agency. “But not everywhere at the same time. And you just can’t copy the U.S. experience.”


Note how countries with even weaker environmental regulations than the US are eager to get their frack on.

The appeal of cheap energy is a powerful siren singing in the night, and we're just horny sailors being drawn into her arms.
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