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By JOSH GERSTEIN
The U.S. government has acknowledged that it swept up huge volumes of data from emails in the U.S. for several years without any court approval, based solely on the orders of former President George W. Bush.
In a court filings on Monday, government lawyers said that the Internet program ran in parallel with a program gathering so-called metadata about telephone calls. The counterterrorism efforts operated under presidential authority before a judge approved them in July 2004, said a 2007 court filing made public Monday by the Justice Department (and posted here.)
"After the 9/11 attacks and pursuant to an authorization of the President, (redacted) the NSA [redacted] the bulk collection of non-content information about telephone calls and Internet communications (hereafter 'metadata') activities that enable the NSA to uncover the contacts (redacted) of members or agents of al Qaeda or affiliated terrorist organizations," a senior NSA official wrote in an October 2007 declaration originally filed under seal as part of an effort to defeat litigation about the snooping Bush ordered.
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Early press reports on the surveillance, such as The New York Times's groundbreaking account in December 2005, discussed its application to emails. However, when Bush publicly acknowledged the surveillance in 2006, he was vague about the details and did not mention gathering of email data.
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http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2014/03/feds-confirm-bushera-email-surveillance-185283.html
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Thanks, Obama!
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Snowden's new best friends.
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Please explain.
Pholus
(4,062 posts)THEIR immunity came from a mysterious benefactor who said something on the lines of how we need to "look forward as opposed to looking backwards."
Surely the mighty Prosense must have a blue linkie to it somewhere and could remind me who was using that phrase to give a mega-gift to the Carlyle Group...
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Need more info on Bush's illegal spying, here you go:
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The newly disclosed documents also refer to a decision by the court called Large Content FISA, a term that has not been publicly revealed before. Several current and former officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said Large Content FISA referred to sweeping but short-lived orders issued on Jan. 10, 2007, that authorized the Bush administration to continue its warrantless wiretapping program.
The Bush administration had sought a ruling to put the program, which had been exposed by The New York Times, on a firmer legal footing. Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales disclosed a week after the decision that a judge had issued innovative and complex orders bringing the program under the surveillance courts authority. But when they came up for renewal that April, another surveillance court judge balked and began requiring cumbersome paperwork, prompting the administration to seek a legislative solution, an intelligence official later explained.
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Two classification guides say that the N.S.A. used the orders during a transition to the enactment of the Protect America Act, an August 2007 law in which Congress legalized the program. It was replaced with the FISA Amendments Act in 2008.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/us/how-a-courts-secret-evolution-extended-spies-reach.html
This is what I've been posting about for years. Bush was actually spying on Americans. He bypassed the courts, and Congress briefly made it legal.
http://web.archive.org/web/20081216011008/http://www.newsweek.com/id/174601/output/print
Note, this is inside the U.S. and involves bypassing the FISA court to actually "eavesdrop."
Republicans fought to make that legal, and succeeded in doing so before Democrats were able to force an expiration of the law.
From a post last year:
There have been a number of media reports using the same Obama quote to basically claim that he once called out Bush, but then embraced the policy. They are intentionally conflating a quote about the PAA with his position on the 2008 FISA amendments, which he voted for. They are not the same thing. The PAA was a Republican effort to absolve Bush.
While the article mentions that Obama voted against the Protect America Act (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00309), there is no mention of the fact that the Act expired in early 2008.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protect_America_Act_of_2007#Legislative_history
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act#Protect_America_Act_of_2007
Here's Bush's statement at the time: http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2008/02/20080214-4.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023026724
The major problem with the FISA amendments is that it gave the telecomms immunity. Otherwise, it included several reforms. What it did not do was make Bush's illegal spying legal.
Here is information on the FISA law including the 2008 amendments.
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 Amendments Act of 2008
- Prohibits the individual states from investigating, sanctioning of, or requiring disclosure by complicit telecoms or other persons.
- Permits the government not to keep records of searches, and destroy existing records (it requires them to keep the records for a period of 10 years).
- Protects telecommunications companies from lawsuits for "'past or future cooperation' with federal law enforcement authorities and will assist the intelligence community in determining the plans of terrorists". Immunity is given by a certification process, which can be overturned by a court on specific grounds.[20]
- Removes requirements for detailed descriptions of the nature of information or property targeted by the surveillance if the target is reasonably believed to be outside the country.[20]
- Increased the time for warrantless surveillance from 48 hours to 7 days, if the FISA court is notified and receives an application, specific officials sign the emergency notification, and relates to an American located outside of the United States with probable cause they are an agent of a foreign power. After 7 days, if the court denies or does not review the application, the information obtained cannot be offered as evidence. If the United States Attorney General believes the information shows threat of death or bodily harm, they can try to offer the information as evidence in future proceedings.[21]
- Permits the Director of National Intelligence and the Attorney General to jointly authorize warrantless electronic surveillance, for one-year periods, targeted at a foreigner who is abroad. This provision will sunset on December 31, 2012.
- Requires FISA court permission to target wiretaps at Americans who are overseas.
- Requires government agencies to cease warranted surveillance of a targeted American who is abroad if said person enters the United States. (However, said surveillance may resume if it is reasonably believed that the person has left the States.)
- Prohibits targeting a foreigner to eavesdrop on an American's calls or e-mails without court approval. [22]
- Allows the FISA court 30 days to review existing but expiring surveillance orders before renewing them.
- Allows eavesdropping in emergencies without court approval, provided the government files required papers within a week.
- Prohibits the government from invoking war powers or other authorities to supersede surveillance rules in the future.
- Requires the Inspectors General of all intelligence agencies involved in the President's Surveillance Program to "complete a comprehensive review" and report within one year
- The provisions of the Act granting immunity to the complicit telecoms create a roadblock for a number of lawsuits intended to expose and thwart the alleged abuses of power and illegal activities of the federal government since and before the September 11 attacks.[citation needed]
- Allows the government to conduct surveillance of "a U.S. person located outside of the U.S. with probable cause they are an agent of a foreign power" for up to one week (168 hours) without a warrant, increased from the previous 48 hours, as long as the FISA court is notified at the time such surveillance begins, and an application as usually required for surveillance authorization is submitted by the government to FISA within those 168 hours[21]
Pholus
(4,062 posts)Be more precise when selecting your cut-and-paste next time hmmmmm-kay?
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Oh well!
Pholus
(4,062 posts)But the benefactor was obviously a pretty bad bargainer, taking prosecutions off the table for basically NOTHING in return.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Pholus
(4,062 posts)"Heckuva Job" to use the words of a neocon who walked for no really good reason.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)sheshe2
(83,669 posts)Without. Any. Court. Approval.
"based solely on the orders of former President George W. Bush."
Rex
(65,616 posts)Formal charges?
neverforget
(9,436 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)The BFEE bozos can't travel to just any country they want to anymore. THAT says a lot IMO about how people feel and look toward their leaders to hold their supposed peers responsible for their actions while representing them.
It could happen.
okaawhatever
(9,457 posts)the article:
"Specifically, the President authorized the the NSA to collect metadata related to Internet communications for the purpose of conducting targeted analysis to track Al Qaeda-related networks. Internet metadata is header/router/addressing information, such as the 'to,' 'from,' 'cc,' and 'bcc' lines, as opposed to the body or 're' lines, of a standard e-mail. Since July 2004, the collection of Internet metadata has been conducted pursuant to an Order of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court," the still-unidentified official from NSA's Signals Intelligence Directorate continued.
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I don't think this scotus will have a problem with that. I think if we want real privacy reform we need to wait until Scalia/Thomas/Roberts are in the minority.
Pholus
(4,062 posts)After all, metadata is a convenient way to infer what the content is WITHOUT having to read it.
I like the study described in this blog post. It kind of puts the "just metadata" canard to bed decisively.
http://webpolicy.org/2014/03/12/metaphone-the-sensitivity-of-telephone-metadata/
ProSense
(116,464 posts)there was the illegal eavesdropping: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024687292#post9
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Thanks for bringing this to our attention. If this isn't indictable, I don't know what is. So how long do you think it'll be? Are charges being contemplated? This is VERY exciting!
President Obama's standing will go up tenfold when the indictment is handed down.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"So what's your estimate on how long it'll be before President Obama's DOJ indicts?"
I have no idea, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Who knows where this is going? I mean, will the Senate investigation of torture lead to criminal charges? One can only hope.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)If that wasn't the point for your posting this, then what was? And what does the Senate have to do with this information? Are the two related somehow?
You reserve the right to be like Greenwald... my turn:
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Why WOULDN'T the DOJ indict? If that wasn't the point for your posting this, then what was?"
...what does posting an article have to do with what the DOJ does or doesn't do?
"And what does the Senate have to do with this information? "
Nothing, and if you reread the comment it's related to prosecuting Bush crimes.
"You reserve the right to be like Greenwald... my turn: "