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okaawhatever

(9,457 posts)
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 01:51 PM Mar 2014

What Russians read about Crimea.News Headline: Russia Must Stop U.S. Expansion in Ukraine

Today, as a result of the Ukrainian crisis, U.S.-Russian relations have hit their lowest point since the invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 or of Czechoslovakia in 1969 — or perhaps even since they bottomed out during the Cuban Missile Crisis. The Crimean crisis, which began as a power struggle between the ruling authorities in Kiev and opposition forces, transformed in to an attempt to overthrow Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych by pro-Western and nationalist opposition forces with the support of the U.S. and European Union.

SNIP

Moscow does not see the revolution in Ukraine as an attempt to create a more democratic or law-based society. Instead, it sees the events in Kiev as an attempt to make Ukraine as anti-Russian as possible. The new government represents a minority of the Ukrainian population. It wants to suppress the Russian-speaking majority and violate their right to representation by holding unfair elections on May 25.


SNIP

It seems that the West simply does not like Putin. He is a huge obstacle who prevents them from achieving global hegemony. For this reason alone he must be broken. Nobody in Moscow has any doubt that what happened in Ukraine will be repeated in Moscow in two or three years. Without Putin, there will be few world leaders left who have the power or courage to stand up to Washington. When this happens, the entire world will have to quickly accept the new reality. However, everyone understands that this is a conflict between Moscow and Washington and that these countries should negotiate a solution. The question here is not Crimea but which reality the two sides are prepared to accept.

If a geopolitical Cold War erupts, it very well may morph into an ideological one since a Western attack would force Putin to rely heavily on conservative forces in the country's so-called "moral majority" in order to bolster his support. Additionally, Moscow will attempt to relieve pressure and find support abroad by stepping up its information campaign among the hundreds of millions of EU residents who sympathize not only with Putin's stance against Washington, but also his support of the traditional values that have been rejected by the EU elite.

Recent polls show that 80 percent of Germany's population sympathizes with Russian policy in Ukraine and only 8 percent favor sanctions. The online social networks in the West constitute an intellectual revolt against the bias of the mainstream media — all of which demonize Putin without any objectivity. Social network users clearly sympathize with Putin and their support will only grow.
Washington once transformed Cesar Chavez from a minor U.S. activist into a major political figure. Now Washington will transform Putin from his role as the man that lifted Russia off its knees into a global leader in the struggle against the global domination of Washington and the new values of postmodernism.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/russia-must-stop-us-expansion-in-ukraine/496137.html

I don't know if I'm more disturbed by the many unfounded allegations or the fact that Russians now use the phrase "Moral Majority".

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What Russians read about Crimea.News Headline: Russia Must Stop U.S. Expansion in Ukraine (Original Post) okaawhatever Mar 2014 OP
So we are forcing him to be a nationalist homophobic bigot Anansi1171 Mar 2014 #1
Waaaiiiittttt JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #2
Lifted straight from of the Putin apologist posts right here on DU. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #3
there are people at DU who peddle that nonsense while posing as progressives nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #4
After this statement: okaawhatever Mar 2014 #5
The statement about German sympathy with Russia is just flat out wrong. Iterate Mar 2014 #6
Very few people believe the "polls" quoted by the Russian media site. I only put it up to show okaawhatever Mar 2014 #7
UK poll: sympathy for Ukrainian govt: 46%; for Russian govt: 6% muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #8
Funny, just as Europe finally, finally figured out how to build a sustainable peace, Iterate Mar 2014 #9

Anansi1171

(793 posts)
1. So we are forcing him to be a nationalist homophobic bigot
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 02:17 PM
Mar 2014

And Putin is Ceaser Chavez now. The Russian are trolling...

JustAnotherGen

(31,780 posts)
2. Waaaiiiittttt
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 02:32 PM
Mar 2014

I'm confused -

When did we invade Ukraine again?


And what is this two to three year plan of which this news source speaks?

Nobody in Moscow has any doubt that what happened in Ukraine will be repeated in Moscow in two or three years. Without Putin, there will be few world leaders left who have the power or courage to stand up to Washington.

I think The Americans should do an episode about this!

okaawhatever

(9,457 posts)
5. After this statement:
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 03:26 PM
Mar 2014

" The online social networks in the West constitute an intellectual revolt against the bias of the mainstream media — all of which demonize Putin without any objectivity. Social network users clearly sympathize with Putin and their support will only grow."

Tell me there aren't a few people on Putin's payroll.

It's funny though, the reporter claims MSM "demonize Putin" lolz. I don't think they've been reading any of the Palin/neo-con/Kristol articles. They demonize Obama and laud Putin.

Iterate

(3,020 posts)
6. The statement about German sympathy with Russia is just flat out wrong.
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 04:13 PM
Mar 2014

If this is actually something Russia is banking on, they will be sorely disappointed.

With just a quick look I could only find one valid public opinion poll in English. This is twelve days old, and trending to be more supportive of Ukraine.

German public, industry wary of economic sanctions against Russia
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/07/us-ukraine-crisis-germany-poll-idUSBREA2616620140307

Merkel's CDU/CSU popular approval is up 2%, and approval for Ukrainian aid is 72%. At that time sanctions were less popular(38%), but that makes sense, as the whole foundation for the EU is based on peace and stability through equitable, voluntary trade and mutual dependance. Plus of course, fixed open borders.

Even the business community is not whinging as much about loss of trade as I would have expected. Trade with Russia was seen as a way to build peace, but they have not been a reliable partner. That's partly what Merkel meant by Putin having "lost the plot". That doesn't mean anyone here is looking for a fight.

Looking through the eastern European press, there is plenty of worry, but this "could" end up producing more European solidarity than anyone might have imagined.

okaawhatever

(9,457 posts)
7. Very few people believe the "polls" quoted by the Russian media site. I only put it up to show
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 04:58 PM
Mar 2014

people what Russians were hearing about the situation.

I think you're right about this unifying Europe. After having suffered the gas shortage in 2009 (or was it 06?) the Germans were questioning Russia's intentions. Now that Russia has moved into Crimea I think they've pretty much got their answer.

Iterate

(3,020 posts)
9. Funny, just as Europe finally, finally figured out how to build a sustainable peace,
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 09:46 PM
Mar 2014

we have to figure out how to prevent a war without wrecking it.

Germans employees are still paying the 5.5% solidarity tax to rebuild the east, and will be until 2019.

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