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GIve thanks Obama is President (Original Post) malaise Mar 2014 OP
Hell, I'd buy a used car from him, I would! NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #1
Yes he is no warmonger malaise Mar 2014 #2
I'd ask him to autographs my copies of his books, too! greatauntoftriplets Mar 2014 #7
"pos used car salesman" .. Cha Mar 2014 #16
LOL... arthritisR_US Mar 2014 #25
No, have a laugh.. Cha Mar 2014 #33
I like the way you think! arthritisR_US Mar 2014 #37
Likewise.. Cha Mar 2014 #40
bad boy ucrdem Mar 2014 #17
I was just thinking the same thing. Squinch Mar 2014 #3
They do not know anything about history malaise Mar 2014 #4
And not even history. For us to commit troops and military equipment for a conflict in Ukraine? Squinch Mar 2014 #5
Rachel's foreign policy is as hawkish as most of them malaise Mar 2014 #10
And Romney and Lindsey andall the other nuts i.e. war mongers. Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #6
I like this President. I campaigned for him both times, and I'd do so again if it were possible Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #8
I would stand with you Sarah. yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #19
Thank you! nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #22
you're welcome! yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #39
Huzzah! n/t albino65 Mar 2014 #31
He's wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than the warmongers malaise Mar 2014 #42
Much! I think President Obama has been great given the crap he has had to work with: Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #45
K&R! sheshe2 Mar 2014 #9
Bush’s Defense Secretary Destroys GOP Talking Points Against Obama’s Handling Of Crimea ErikJ Mar 2014 #11
Obama works in mysterious ways Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #12
Only to those who think in mystifying ways OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #27
This is something I definitely praise him for Aerows Mar 2014 #13
Stand strong, cilla4progress Mar 2014 #14
Obama and Joe. ucrdem Mar 2014 #15
McWar never misses a chance treestar Mar 2014 #18
k&r... spanone Mar 2014 #20
I think Rmoney would have had boots on the ground in Syria and Crimea. mountain grammy Mar 2014 #21
McCain, "geet oof ma land you dam kids!" Rex Mar 2014 #23
I give thanks on many fronts flamingdem Mar 2014 #24
Excellent point! tofuandbeer Mar 2014 #26
I give thanks every day for Obama mwrguy Mar 2014 #28
Lord have mercy, how about Palin huh Iliyah Mar 2014 #29
There was never going to be any war over the Ukraine. zeemike Mar 2014 #30
War is like water. It finds a way. ucrdem Mar 2014 #32
You're absolutely right brush Mar 2014 #34
You don't need supply lines to drop bombs. ucrdem Mar 2014 #35
Ultimately it can't be done with only air power, and Russia has a formidable air force . . . brush Mar 2014 #36
I think we both know that it could be done any which way ucrdem Mar 2014 #38
If you want to blow up the world swith nukes, sure . . . brush Mar 2014 #44
Yes, K&R nt UtahLib Mar 2014 #41
Republicans would have us in a nuclear war with Russia! B Calm Mar 2014 #43

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
3. I was just thinking the same thing.
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 09:18 PM
Mar 2014

I guess gramps and his minions think Eisenhower was militarily incompetent, too, for not going to war when Russia invaded Hungary.

malaise

(268,955 posts)
4. They do not know anything about history
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 09:21 PM
Mar 2014

Neo-cons want war for profit and for resources - nothing else.
There are many wealthy persons who must have wars to maintain their lifestyles. Please understand their needs. They'd attack Eisenhower - too soft.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
5. And not even history. For us to commit troops and military equipment for a conflict in Ukraine?
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 09:24 PM
Mar 2014

That's just bonkers, and people are talking about it as if it's an inevitability. Even Rachel is getting a little breathless about the, "And what if Putin invades New Jersey??" prospects. (Of course that is hyperbole on my part, but you get the idea.)

malaise

(268,955 posts)
10. Rachel's foreign policy is as hawkish as most of them
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 10:19 PM
Mar 2014

It's a major contradiction of her politics but I seem to remember that her father was army.

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
8. I like this President. I campaigned for him both times, and I'd do so again if it were possible
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 09:50 PM
Mar 2014

Good man, given the right wing scourge in Congress behaving like f"g piranha, and the Democrats in Congress behaving like little curly-haired 2-year old girls.

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
45. Much! I think President Obama has been great given the crap he has had to work with:
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:48 AM
Mar 2014

A racist nation; libs that are too wimpy, behave weakly, and who whine like babies because Obama is not Houdini the Magician; a country where right wing propaganda is ubiquitous; Republicans in Congress that refuse to budge unless they get to institute their fascist schemes; and a damaged country, damaged over decades by right wing corporate ideas.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
11. Bush’s Defense Secretary Destroys GOP Talking Points Against Obama’s Handling Of Crimea
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 10:25 PM
Mar 2014

ormer Defense Secretary Robert Gates pushed back on Sunday against conservatives who’ve blamed President Obama’s “weak” foreign policy for Russian President Vladimir Putin’s decision to invade Crimea.
Appearing on Fox News Sunday, Gates dismissed arguments that Obama’s handling of the conflict in Syria or his efforts to trim the defense budget emboldened Putin, arguing that the Russian president also invaded Georgia during the George W. Bush administration.
“My own view is, after all, Putin invaded Georgia when George W. Bush was president. Nobody ever accused George W. Bush of being weak or unwilling to use military force,” Gates, who served as Defense Secretary for Presidents George W. Bush and Obama said. “So I think Putin is very opportunistic in these arenas. I think that even if — even if we had launched attacks in Syria, even if we weren’t cutting our defense budget — I think Putin saw an opportunity here in Crimea, and he has seized it.” Earlier this week, Gates told the Washington Post that the GOP lawmakers should “tone down” their criticism and “try to be supportive of the president rather than natter at the president.”
Though most Republicans agree with Obama’s policy for handling the Crimean crisis, some conservatives have argued that Obama’s perceived “weakness” on the global stage has given Putin the space to move Russian troops into Crimea. “We have a weak and indecisive president” and that “invites aggression,” Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said last week. “Putin is playing chess and I think we’re playing marbles,” Rep. Mike Rogers (R-MI), the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee claimed, adding that Russia is “running circles around us.”
http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/03/09/3381271/bushs-defense-secretary-slams-republicans-for-criticizing-obamas-handling-of-crimea-crisis/

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
13. This is something I definitely praise him for
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 10:26 PM
Mar 2014

Thank heavens we aren't charging into another war.

cilla4progress

(24,728 posts)
14. Stand strong,
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 10:27 PM
Mar 2014

Mr. President! No matter how hard they try to get you to take the bait!

We know you can do it!

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
15. Obama and Joe.
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 10:28 PM
Mar 2014

Hard to believe I know but when it comes to committing troops sometimes Biden is Obama's better angel. Anyway thanks for the heads up!

treestar

(82,383 posts)
18. McWar never misses a chance
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 10:30 PM
Mar 2014

to demand we play the tough guy. Typical Republican. What happened to the maverick?

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
21. I think Rmoney would have had boots on the ground in Syria and Crimea.
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 11:05 PM
Mar 2014

Whatever the "generals" on fox told him to do.. Yes, I'm thankful for a president who avoids war.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
23. McCain, "geet oof ma land you dam kids!"
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 11:09 PM
Mar 2014

Clicks button...*BOOM*! The POTUS looks calm cool and collected for the dude that just got told Russia can still turn us into ash. Let the Russian Elite laugh, seems it is right back at'em.

tofuandbeer

(1,314 posts)
26. Excellent point!
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 11:36 PM
Mar 2014

We'd all be so nervous if McCain or R$ were in the office
(I don't even want to use the word President directly before or after those two names).

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
29. Lord have mercy, how about Palin huh
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 11:56 PM
Mar 2014

McCain, Palin and RMoney - USA would be in wars with Iran, North Korea, Syria and the "Gold" Russia. Neo-Cons love to send our kids to fight their wars - mainly for their profit.

So yes, Thank God Pres O won in 2012 by 51% . . and GOPers still can't believe that they lost.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
30. There was never going to be any war over the Ukraine.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:02 AM
Mar 2014

Not by this president or any president you can think of...and no general would be foolish enough to recommend it.
The stakes are way to high, and have been sense the 50s with the cold war and the Mutual Assured Destruction.
But the cold war is back on...and it will consume even more of our budget.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
32. War is like water. It finds a way.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:11 AM
Mar 2014

There wasn't any war on Cuba either, but the wingnuts tried four times to make it happen. Nuclear war in the Caribbean. The lesson is that we can never take peace for granted and Obama deserves recognition for keeping the dogs at bay these last 6 years.

brush

(53,771 posts)
34. You're absolutely right
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:38 AM
Mar 2014

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Can you imagine how long our supply lines would be and how easy it would be to cut them over the thousands of miles they would run — a logistical nightmare.

We'd be at such a humongous disadvantage coming from across oceans and continents while the Russian army would just have to cross their own border.

McCain and the Warmongers (sounds like a repug rock band) are out of their fucking minds to even talk about such foolishness.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
35. You don't need supply lines to drop bombs.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:44 AM
Mar 2014

Just planes. And if accuracy isn't important you don't even need planes.

brush

(53,771 posts)
36. Ultimately it can't be done with only air power, and Russia has a formidable air force . . .
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 02:02 AM
Mar 2014

and nukes themselves if you're talking about that. I don't think even Putin is willing to go there.

The President has wisely said we're not going there, but if we were troops would still be needed on the ground — my original point.

And McCain is still out of his mind advocating sending troops.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
38. I think we both know that it could be done any which way
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 02:33 AM
Mar 2014

and would be if Obama didn't once again firmly say no. We've come a long way since the 18th century.

brush

(53,771 posts)
44. If you want to blow up the world swith nukes, sure . . .
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 09:50 AM
Mar 2014

but if we want Ukraine still standing (and the USA and Russia for that matter) you still need troops on the ground to hold territory or drive other forces already on the ground out.

I agree, we've come a long way since the 18th century and I'd like to be able to sometime in the near future say that war is "so 20th century, so barbarian, so over", but we haven't come that far from our Iraq debacle, remember?

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