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This is, more or less, what we're up against: (Original Post) CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2014 OP
Sad, but very true, Peggy. NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #1
We do have to try, my dear NYC_SKP... CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2014 #3
EVERYTHING WE LIVE FOR rests on our succeeding!! lastlib Mar 2014 #115
Well, the Facebook bird is terrified on some level Warpy Mar 2014 #112
Give folks a reason to be excited to vote 1000words Mar 2014 #2
That's it. CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2014 #4
If there wasn't so much ratfucking it'd probably be easier. joshcryer Mar 2014 #7
Let me explain the way it works to you. Scootaloo Mar 2014 #11
+1 daleanime Mar 2014 #22
Yeah, that's exactly why Grayson and Feigngold lost in 2010... joshcryer Mar 2014 #23
how about those who are going to primary the people who endorsed Christie ? JI7 Mar 2014 #24
Oh yeah, I've seen a few on DU. joshcryer Mar 2014 #25
It's getting increasingly more difficult to vote D hobbit709 Mar 2014 #40
So run. joshcryer Mar 2014 #42
What are the chances of a broke hippie ex-pot dealer living on SS? hobbit709 Mar 2014 #45
0.001 percent. joshcryer Mar 2014 #48
To become a precinct committee officer? Might be pretty easy. Chathamization Mar 2014 #65
My precinct is solid D. 79 and 74% Obama in 08 and 12. hobbit709 Mar 2014 #69
24%-so if you convince a small fraction of Democratic voters to come out and vote for a progressive Chathamization Mar 2014 #71
Exactly. Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #41
Mind you, it sucks. joshcryer Mar 2014 #43
Well Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #47
Definitely. joshcryer Mar 2014 #50
I think 2014 will be better. Bernie2016 Mar 2014 #117
A lot of truth in this Chathamization Mar 2014 #56
They lost cuz the billionaires went after them tooth and nail. grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #84
REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS is the issue that propelled Wendy Davis into the white-hot bullwinkle428 Mar 2014 #96
Why is it Enthusiast Mar 2014 #38
Keep going you have about 5 or six reasons not to upaloopa Mar 2014 #58
Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #109
+1,000 Scootaloo LondonReign2 Mar 2014 #70
+2 swilton Mar 2014 #89
That ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #104
Same as it ever was ... 1000words Mar 2014 #12
BS treestar Mar 2014 #49
The R's *are* excited. cui bono Mar 2014 #108
Question ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #110
None of those are "gut" issues Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2014 #119
My point was to demonstrate ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #128
And I was talking about your list, which sounds like Al Gore or John Kerry talking Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2014 #129
Agreed ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #130
If not getting fucked over by right wing tea baggers upaloopa Mar 2014 #57
What do you mean by a "reason" Adrahil Mar 2014 #62
Voting doesn't need to be "exciting". JaneyVee Mar 2014 #67
100% grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #83
Or to even take notice of who the candidate is Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #92
Or give them something to be scared about if ReTugs win. Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #93
I disagree 1000words Mar 2014 #95
Or better, by pointing out what they have to lose ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #102
Nailed it!! Kilgore Mar 2014 #126
So true Peggy flamingdem Mar 2014 #5
We have to get the Millennials fired up Terra Alta Mar 2014 #6
I wouldn't count on them this turn 1000words Mar 2014 #14
And the the other transgressions CFLDem Mar 2014 #27
Minimum wage is one ErikJ Mar 2014 #20
But 10.10 over 4 years is WEAK SAUCE:( grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #82
it's less hfojvt Mar 2014 #8
Redistricting didn't help either. nt adirondacker Mar 2014 #17
Gerrymandering. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #39
For the win. ctsnowman Mar 2014 #87
This is what I keep hearing on the news too. Kablooie Mar 2014 #9
THAT... Is Perfect !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #10
Maybe if more Democrats spoke out against the crap that's going on, rhett o rick Mar 2014 #13
Yes, I worked on the local Kucinich campaign in 2004, and when the time came to GOTV for Kerry Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2014 #120
My experience is similar but w/o the cold. It's always the left that shows up rhett o rick Mar 2014 #123
very good, and very true! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #15
it doesn't help that Obama will not be on the Ballot this time around as he is the reason JI7 Mar 2014 #16
a bit of disillusionment set in from 2008 to 2012 with the 18-29's DrDan Mar 2014 #32
too small JI7 Mar 2014 #34
the changes were smaller with other age groups DrDan Mar 2014 #36
DEMS stay home cuz they've been stabbed in the back too many times by the people they sent to DC. blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #18
+1 newfie11 Mar 2014 #33
And the Republican Congress is going to do what? treestar Mar 2014 #53
+100,000,000,000 Andy823 Mar 2014 #66
Exactly! treestar Mar 2014 #72
And a revolution where someone else does all the work. Chathamization Mar 2014 #75
Oh, the old "You have to vote for them because they suck less" line Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2014 #121
That is so it. n/t Beartracks Mar 2014 #19
Dems should stand up and holler about the idiocy. madfloridian Mar 2014 #21
Is this true? ZombieHorde Mar 2014 #26
My theory is that the GOP voter is easily riled and that's what the think tanks know. SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2014 #28
it's easy when it's the other party that has the white house, in this case a black Pres JI7 Mar 2014 #29
you're right. recalling 2006. felt the same way exactly. SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2014 #101
I'll confess to not voting in 1994 either tabbycat31 Mar 2014 #113
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #30
The "Democratic Party" hates their base RandiFan1290 Mar 2014 #31
are you talking about Wendy Davis? JI7 Mar 2014 #35
Pretty much. Maedhros Mar 2014 #118
It's a good toon. But, one problem with the toon. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #37
Not on the West Coast. Voting is easy here, not a single line in the State, no 'challenge' to Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #54
I live in CA and vote by mail. My ballot comes weeks before the election. upaloopa Mar 2014 #59
See, that's the point. We can't all live in California. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #68
Bland wimpy passionless Democratic politicians.. sendero Mar 2014 #44
We have to be able to tell them "Yeah, sure." Nt Shankapotomus Mar 2014 #46
You nailed it TBF Mar 2014 #51
Or the figure on the right could be saying treestar Mar 2014 #52
Low turn out is a regional issue that could be solved, but it is easier to whine than make Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #55
The Democratic Party and Dem candidates..... llmart Mar 2014 #60
Thanks for ruining my day! Adrahil Mar 2014 #61
lol, NM_Birder Mar 2014 #63
The person on the right side of that toon MineralMan Mar 2014 #64
I agree. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2014 #74
The Democratic base is eager to vote, MineralMan Mar 2014 #76
And I voted on Tuesday! greatauntoftriplets Mar 2014 #77
Thank you for voting! MineralMan Mar 2014 #78
No problem. I always vote. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2014 #79
i find much of the GOTV involves just getting people like that out to vote JI7 Mar 2014 #103
Absolutely. I kept a tally in the 2012 election of people MineralMan Mar 2014 #107
A little less, but not by much. (n/t) Iggo Mar 2014 #73
I don't do Facebook. Never have, never will. Zorra Mar 2014 #80
I'm so tired of this BS. If the Dems would push popular policy positions, we'd win hands down. grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #81
I mostly agree... However there is a segment of the US that doesn't vote SomethingFishy Mar 2014 #85
Thank you for saying it. The TRUE majority is disenchanted NON-voters johnlucas Mar 2014 #100
I voted FOR McGovern and FOR Carter, but since then it's been mostly Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2014 #122
It is way easier to whine about voter apathy than actually do anything to earn votes. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #91
You're right. The popular kids are the ones who give their freinds value, not the ones who try to grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #97
I don't see any money in your post. Orsino Mar 2014 #86
We elected Obama with a majority in the House and a super in the Senate.... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #88
True for 2014, and possibly in 2016 Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #90
That about covers it, CP! cry baby Mar 2014 #94
You know what's interesting. Phlem Mar 2014 #98
R's feel the same way. chompers Mar 2014 #99
Well part of the reason is that R's fire up their base while Dems neglect theirs. cui bono Mar 2014 #105
Well said!! Kilgore Mar 2014 #125
Why thank you. cui bono Mar 2014 #127
that's my neighbors and my students Sancho Mar 2014 #106
LOL Berlum Mar 2014 #111
I vote by mail and thats about as easy as yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #114
I think Bernie will excite people again. Bernie2016 Mar 2014 #116
Sadly True Kilgore Mar 2014 #124
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. Sad, but very true, Peggy.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:37 AM
Mar 2014

Sometimes it's hard to Get Out The Vote for those of us who are less angry.

But we have to try.

lastlib

(23,727 posts)
115. EVERYTHING WE LIVE FOR rests on our succeeding!!
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 09:44 PM
Mar 2014

PLEEEAZE, people realize that fact!! The life you save by voting this year may be your own--or that of someone near and dear to you. If Repubs continue to gain power, we as a nation, and as human beings living on planet Earth, face a long, severe decline.

Warpy

(112,175 posts)
112. Well, the Facebook bird is terrified on some level
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 04:46 PM
Mar 2014

of Republicans who are going to try to take her pills or ring or IUD away from her. Whether that will translate into a vote is unknown at this point.

Other than that, it's tough to vote for the business as usual that's killing you. Tbat's really what the party is up against.

joshcryer

(62,300 posts)
7. If there wasn't so much ratfucking it'd probably be easier.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:46 AM
Mar 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratfucking

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ratfucking

"Ratfucking" was a term used by Richard Nixon's campaign insiders to describe electoral fraud and dirty tricks they used against their opponents. The term was coined by political operative Don Segretti, who claimed it had come from his college days when he stuffed ballot boxes for student government candidates. Segretti was hired by the Committee to Re-elect the President (CRP) to work his ratfucking magic for Nixon in the 1972 elections and funded by laundered money coming in through CREEP slush funds. Segretti and a number of other ratfuckers worked from CREEP to destroy the campaigns of Democratic opponents.

Their methods included distributing faked letter and press releases, astroturfing "activists" and "protestors," disrupting political conferences using the old "order a hundred pizzas in someone else's name" trick, vote contracting (literally paying people for votes), espionage tactics, and general dickery. One of the ratfuckers happened to be Karl Rove, who was the head of the College Republicans at the time (they teach 'em early).
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
11. Let me explain the way it works to you.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 01:06 AM
Mar 2014

If a Democrat sells himself or herself as, essentially, a moderate republican... they're not going to motivate the base. Because the Democratic base, contrary to Rahm Emmanuel and other right-wing Democrats, actually is the left, often several shades more left than the standard Democrat. They're not going to be enthused to vote for someone who's more like a Republican from the 80's than what they want, and the Republicans sure as fuck aren't going to, since they're in a conservative death-spiral.

"But Scootaloo," you might say, "It's better to have a bunch of Democrats in congress than a bunch of Republicans!"

Generally I'd agree with that. The trouble is, that's just not how voting even WORKS.

People really do not go vote with their minds full of how many seats total nationwide are at stake in congress. it's not Fantasy Football. People aren't fans, voting for a team. People are individuals voting for other individuals.

What I mean is that, sure, it might be a tight contest between the parties on a given cycle, it could come down to one or two seats... But Debby Schuss of Hoboken still isn't going to vote for a center-right Blue dog, just to fill a seat with a Democrat. She wants a representative who represents her interests, not a representative who is against those interests but can serve as a useful cog at a federal level.

Democrats need to give people reasons to vote for them, rather than just begging for votes against Republicans.

joshcryer

(62,300 posts)
23. Yeah, that's exactly why Grayson and Feigngold lost in 2010...
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 01:50 AM
Mar 2014

They just didn't motivate the base enough.

Now let's look at how politicians work. Wendy Davis, for example, lauded on DU, few would criticize her, has a very high conservative rating, and even omitted the liberal stuff on her website and in campaign rhetoric.

Today it's about copy testing and polling. Setting up an image that sells really damn well, and pushing that image.

I'm not disagreeing that some in the base aren't feeling represented by the candidates, but they can run if they feel that way, it damn sure beats posting on forums about how their interests aren't represented. And even if they lose at least they won't be doing the job of the Nixon-esque ratfuckers out there. And if you don't think they exist or even have a substantial impact, one need only look at every damn election year scam they pull. It's 99% of the time the Republicans fucking with the vote.

joshcryer

(62,300 posts)
25. Oh yeah, I've seen a few on DU.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 01:59 AM
Mar 2014

Hell, Cristie is himself an example of ratfucking, since the bridge closing was pure political recrimination.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
40. It's getting increasingly more difficult to vote D
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:28 AM
Mar 2014

while carrying a barf bag and holding my nose. I want to see a REAL choice between R and D rather than "I'm not as bad as the other one."
I haven't missed an election since I was old enough to vote but it's hard to get excited when there is no clear distinction.
I vote Democrat because there is no viable Socialist option but at one time the Democrats were closer to Socialists in philosophy than to the Republicans.

Lately it's become more of a case of which party is going to fuck me over the worst. I can remember a time when no Democrat running for office would have even considered putting SS cuts on the table.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
45. What are the chances of a broke hippie ex-pot dealer living on SS?
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:35 AM
Mar 2014

$500 won't even pay for what it would take to file. And so far at least all the gerrymandering engineered by Tom DeLay has still left me with Lloyd Doggett as my Congresscritter.

joshcryer

(62,300 posts)
48. 0.001 percent.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:44 AM
Mar 2014

Possibly less. The problem with the party is people are running who have huge coffers and just want power. They don't actually give a damn about civics.

You exaggerate the requirements, it's $5k to be recognized by the FEC. This is purely for reporting purposes. You can run without a dime in your pocket. Knock on doors, raise the $5k. This is the United States, any civilian can run. Welcome to democracy.

Shit one of these days I might change my name and run, because too much shit is posted under my name and I'd lose, handily. I might be able to get around it if I changed my name and Google didn't dump 99% of my socialist / anarchist opinions to be easily used against me by the fascists in this country. We got a lot of good progressives on DU. They should run. There's no reason they shouldn't. Some of us are more radical than others. Some of us can't because we've said stuff that would damage us politically (being against the government sort of rules me out). But many of us, many of us can run.

Chathamization

(1,638 posts)
65. To become a precinct committee officer? Might be pretty easy.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 09:20 AM
Mar 2014

Governor, probably harder. But it’s going to be difficult for progressives to win the higher offices if there isn’t a strong foundation at the lower level.

Also, where I am there are a number of good primary candidates that get overlooked because people assume that they’re all the same. Not sure if that’s the case where you are, but it’s possible.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
69. My precinct is solid D. 79 and 74% Obama in 08 and 12.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 09:29 AM
Mar 2014

The primary turnout two weeks ago was piss poor. Almost all the R's in the precinct voted and only about 24% of the D's

Chathamization

(1,638 posts)
71. 24%-so if you convince a small fraction of Democratic voters to come out and vote for a progressive
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 10:17 AM
Mar 2014

the progressive will win. Of course, doing so is difficult, because most people just don’t care, and those that do often care for the wrong reasons (personal connection, the feeling they get about the candidate, etc.).

Which goes to show that the problem isn’t just that the candidates aren’t progressive. When progressive candidates do run, a lot of the time no one cares enough to notice, and when they do people don’t actually care enough to support them (opinion leaders on the left supporting Norquist supporters over progressives, supporting Weiner or Quinn over Deblasio, supporting Booker over Holt).

Being progressive in theory doesn’t mean much when in actuality it means no support for progressive candidates and paying attention to opinion leaders on the left that would rather recreate Sunday morning talk shows than inform voters about progressives. Don’t get me wrong, there are huge failures here, but they are failures across the board.

joshcryer

(62,300 posts)
43. Mind you, it sucks.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:32 AM
Mar 2014

But that's American politics for you. People with the most money pushing their way into office. Even in the latest special election the Democrat outspent 2:1 and yet they still lost. Why is that? Because the Democrats are infiltrated, heavily, by ratfucking sabatogers. We're fucked for the time being. We don't have the number to overcome this demoralization effect. But once we do? Holy shit. We're so golden.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
47. Well
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:39 AM
Mar 2014

You know what they say....

When voters turn out - Democrats win.

The GOP has known this for years.

joshcryer

(62,300 posts)
50. Definitely.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:46 AM
Mar 2014

There are more Democrats than Republicans and that is more true every day. It's the damn off-election years where we bemoan our own party and shut down the vote and bitch and complain about every trivial bullshit thing our democratically elected President, as not a dictator, can't do. No shit, the President can't magically introduce wide ranging reforms, he's not a fucking dictator!

Chathamization

(1,638 posts)
56. A lot of truth in this
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:16 AM
Mar 2014

A lot of the time when I talk to voters, including high-information voters, they're relatively clueless about their candidates policy positions and tend to vote based upon their sense of that person. When people do pay attention to the policy positions, it's often only on a couple of issues. This becomes even more evident in local elections where you have turnouts in the teens with the people who have bothered to turn out often Googling the candidates the morning of the vote.

bullwinkle428

(20,636 posts)
96. REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS is the issue that propelled Wendy Davis into the white-hot
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 02:11 PM
Mar 2014

political spotlight!!

I love how certain people are now trying to spin her image into some kind of hard-core pseudo-Dixiecrat that we all have to get behind if we're ever going to make any kind of political headway in red states.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
58. Keep going you have about 5 or six reasons not to
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:42 AM
Mar 2014

vote there. Can't you think of a few more?
You think the opposite is being said on the right?
No they will vote and work to restrict our vote but you help because you restrict yourself. I have no respect for that.
There are down ticket reasons to vote. The action is also local.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
109. Yes ...
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 03:56 PM
Mar 2014

we need to energize unenthusiastic Democratic voters ... by repeatedly telling them that Democrats suckz and/or the same as republicans!

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
104. That ...
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 03:42 PM
Mar 2014
Democrats need to give people reasons to vote for them, rather than just begging for votes against Republicans.


is not what the academic research says.

And who is Debby Schuss of Hoboken?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
49. BS
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:45 AM
Mar 2014

Just tell them to vote; it's their civic duty. Why all the drama? Why don't the Republicans have to be "excited?" People who don't vote are contemptible and stupid, not people we are responsible for coddling more. Jesus. This meme is sickening. Are you making excuses for them?

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
108. The R's *are* excited.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 03:54 PM
Mar 2014

They get excited by all the propaganda.

They're afraid their guns are going to be taken away.
They're afraid the socialists are taking over.
They're afraid their marriages are going to be ruined.
They're afraid of everything they're being told to be afraid of and they come out to vote to stop what they fear.

Those are the messages the R's put out and that's what their uninformed base responds to. It's emotional politics. It's about messaging and the Dems suck at it.

Dems need to put out something positive for the people to vote for. As it is all they do is react and play defense and play not to lose. They need to play to win! Of course we need to get money out of elections so we can be certain they're playing for the right team.


 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
110. Question ...
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 04:09 PM
Mar 2014

Which do you believe is the more compelling call to action (i.e., voting):

They're afraid their guns are going to be taken away.
They're afraid the socialists are taking over.
They're afraid their marriages are going to be ruined.
They're afraid of everything they're being told to be afraid of and they come out to vote to stop what they fear.


Or,

Job Creation

• Infrastructure – substantially increases infrastructure investment to the level the American Society of Civil Engineers says is necessary to close our infrastructure needs gap

• Education – funds school modernizations and rehiring laid-off teachers

• Aid to States – closes the recession-caused gap in state budgets for two years, allowing the rehiring of cops, firefighters, and other public employees

• Making Work Pay – boosts consumer demand by reinstating an expanded tax credit for three years

• Emergency Unemployment Compensation – allows beneficiaries to claim up to 99 weeks of unemployment benefits in high-unemployment states for two years

• Public Works Job Programs and Aid to Distressed Communities – includes job programs such as a Park Improvement Corps, Student Jobs Corps, and Child Care Corps

Fair Individual Tax

• Immediately allows Bush tax cuts to expire for families earning over $250K

• Higher tax rates for millionaires and billionaires (from 45% to 49%)

• Taxes income from investments the same as income from wages

Fair Corporate Tax

• Ends corporate tax bias toward moving jobs and profits overseas

• Enacts a financial transactions tax

• Reduces deductions for corporate jets, meals, and entertainment

Defense

• Returns Pentagon spending to 2006 levels, focusing on modern security needs

Health Care

• No benefit cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security

• Reduces health care costs by adopting a public option, negotiating drug prices, and reducing fraud

Environment

• Prices carbon pollution with a rebate to hold low income households harmless

• Eliminates corporate tax subsidies for oil, gas, and coal companies GETTING AMERICANS BACK TO WORK


One creates an emotional excited voter ... the other creates a wishful maybe voter.

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
119. None of those are "gut" issues
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:50 PM
Mar 2014

Democrats send to sound too vague and bureaucratic.

They need a few "gut" issues stated in simple terms: "Raise the minimum wage! No one who works full time should need food stamps!" or
"Create jobs by repairing and expanding our roads, bridges, railroads, and utilities." "Take care of our own needs before trying to fix other countries."

That was my complaint about Kerry's website in 2004. He sounded as if he were a Congressional aide who had researched a policy for his boss, not as if he were trying to win the votes of ordinary Americans.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
128. My point was to demonstrate ...
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 09:25 AM
Mar 2014

why the republican base is "excited." It has everything to do with human nature ... people are far more moved to act to protect against a loss than to achieve a gain.

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
129. And I was talking about your list, which sounds like Al Gore or John Kerry talking
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 10:30 AM
Mar 2014

Too complicated, no emotional appeal at all.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
130. Agreed ...
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 10:35 AM
Mar 2014

I pulled that list from a DU post suggesting that all Democrats needed to do is run on the list.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
57. If not getting fucked over by right wing tea baggers
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:36 AM
Mar 2014

doesn't motivate you, you're a lost cause!
But when they do don't come on this board and complain.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
62. What do you mean by a "reason"
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:51 AM
Mar 2014

You mean keeping those rat-fuck Repugnicans out of power isn't important enough to "be excited?"

If not, then people need their heads fucking examined.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
67. Voting doesn't need to be "exciting".
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 09:26 AM
Mar 2014

It's a civic duty to stop the theocratic fascists from gaining power.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
92. Or to even take notice of who the candidate is
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 01:47 PM
Mar 2014

Part of my job is asking people if they are registered to vote and if they are not assisting them in registering. Among both registered voters and those who are not and express an interest in registering my most common question is "what party is Barack Obama in?" I am not kidding about this. I do SNAP and Medicaid and voter reg is part of our duties.

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
93. Or give them something to be scared about if ReTugs win.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 01:53 PM
Mar 2014

But right now those with the winning meme seem to be hateful, racists Republicans. The ones with a hateful message always arouse others who are hateful.

We don't want to win on hate, but we can win on fear of what will happen if a ReThugs took the Senate.

 

1000words

(7,051 posts)
95. I disagree
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 02:02 PM
Mar 2014

Personally, I won't support yet another offering of fear from our "leaders." Folks respond much more enthusiastically (and predictably) if they feel they are a part of something positive.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
102. Or better, by pointing out what they have to lose ...
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 03:38 PM
Mar 2014

Academic research indicates that people are far more moved to take action to protect against a loss; than to achieve a gain. That's why negative campaigns work so well.

Terra Alta

(5,158 posts)
6. We have to get the Millennials fired up
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:44 AM
Mar 2014

They would vote overwhelmingly Democratic, but are often apathetic. We need to make them aware of the issues and let them know their vote can make a difference.

 

CFLDem

(2,083 posts)
27. And the the other transgressions
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 03:04 AM
Mar 2014

out current gov't is widely perceived to do like student loans, failing to fix the economy, and in general just being 'The Man'.

Meanwhile other issues that should motivate our base (marijuana, marriage equality, end Afghanistan) may be perceived as taking care of themselves, hence no hurry to go and vote.

Of course all of that is moot if the Administration continues to be perceived as emasculated against the Russians.

If we want to win this November, the Cold War card is our Ace in the hole since it reframes domestic issues and can be used to ramp up our manufacturing sector.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
20. Minimum wage is one
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 01:33 AM
Mar 2014

I told a right-of-center 18 year old girl that the Republicans are trying to get rid of minimum wage and she suddenly became enraged.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
8. it's less
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:51 AM
Mar 2014

the other big part is that we are out numbered and out-gunned.

Republicans kept control of the House in 2012 in spite of a large Presidential year turnout.

Also, as incumbents they have much larger war chests and name recognition and they have a rightwing media advancing their talking points to the point where the public takes them in like they are air.

Kablooie

(18,693 posts)
9. This is what I keep hearing on the news too.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:53 AM
Mar 2014

That Republicans have a good chance to take the Senate as well as the House this fall.

Shutting down the government did absolutely nothing to damage the Republicans.
Cruz might be cleverer than we give him credit for.
He realizes that his people are immune from suffering consequences of their actions.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
13. Maybe if more Democrats spoke out against the crap that's going on,
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 01:10 AM
Mar 2014

like Sen Warren, Sen Sanders, and Rep Grayson, it would encourage the Democratic base. But it seems many Democratic incumbents are afraid to take a hard stand against the statue quo. Hell, there are a lot of posters here in DU that love the status quo, and they sure as hell aint on the left.

The lame-ass corporate-conservative-centrists are happy with the status quo and probably will stay home like they did in 2010. And then turn around and blame the left. In 2010 when I was working the GOTV phone lines and looked around, I didnt see any centrists. The left that I know are active in local politics, and are very active in GOTV. I was just at a panel discussion where they discussed backing a Constitutional Amendment to turn around Citizens United. Those attending were from the left.

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
120. Yes, I worked on the local Kucinich campaign in 2004, and when the time came to GOTV for Kerry
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:55 PM
Mar 2014

every single one of the people I knew from DK's campaign turned up on Election Day to get their canvassing assignments and spent all of a 20° day going door to door.

Then Kerry conceded before the polls were closed in Ohio, while it was clear that there were irregularities. While my feet were still sore from walking around in the cold from 10:00AM to 8:00PM with only a quick stop back at headquarters for a hot dog for lunch.

It felt as if we cared about the election more than Kerry did.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
123. My experience is similar but w/o the cold. It's always the left that shows up
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 12:23 AM
Mar 2014

to go door to door, to cover the phone banks, to stand in the rain protesting corps that dont pay their taxes. It's usually the same group and none are Third Way Centrists.

JI7

(89,641 posts)
16. it doesn't help that Obama will not be on the Ballot this time around as he is the reason
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 01:22 AM
Mar 2014

so many young people and others came out to vote in 2008 and 2012. and why they didn't in 2010 when he was not on the ballot.

but one can look at McAuliffe's race in Virginia and while turnout was lower compared to 2012 on group that was about the same was the black voters.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
32. a bit of disillusionment set in from 2008 to 2012 with the 18-29's
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 06:12 AM
Mar 2014

2008 - 66% vs 32%
2012 - 60% vs 37%

JI7

(89,641 posts)
34. too small
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 06:18 AM
Mar 2014

More likely those conservatives turned off by Palin. Same reason he won north Carolina on 2008 but not 2012.

The point is a large number of young voters turned out because he was on the ballot.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
36. the changes were smaller with other age groups
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 06:29 AM
Mar 2014

...................2008..............2012
30-44........52%-46%......52%-45%

45-64........50%-49%......47%-51%

65-over.....45%-53%......44%-56%

Considerably bigger change with the 18-29's - less voted for Obama. 60% is nothing to sneeze at, but to drop from 66% is significant.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
18. DEMS stay home cuz they've been stabbed in the back too many times by the people they sent to DC.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 01:30 AM
Mar 2014

And the DEM politicos blame their voters for being "thin skinned."

treestar

(82,383 posts)
53. And the Republican Congress is going to do what?
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:49 AM
Mar 2014

Get them all they want?

Stabbed in the back is a bit much for just not getting all they want. And if they didn't bother to vote in the midterms, they are responsible for who is there.

Whining assholes. If that's the reason people don't vote, they deserve Republicans. They think it's so easy to get legislation passed? That's ignorance.

Andy823

(11,502 posts)
66. +100,000,000,000
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 09:25 AM
Mar 2014

I fail to understand how anyone in their right mind could think that letting republicans win could possibly be a good idea! While I don't agree with all the democrats running, I sure as hell know what it would be like to let republicans win at any level of governing. I would think that after 2010 and so many states being taken over by republicans, not to mention the U.S. House, it would be pretty obvious just how bad things would be with republicans winning "any" race!

treestar

(82,383 posts)
72. Exactly!
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 10:36 AM
Mar 2014

Republicans are "excited" and enthused by their zeal to take us all backwards, which is getting desperate. Yet people who wanted change and didn't get a complete revolution in two years are so "discouraged" they will sit back and give up in the face of that. And then cry that they don't want the lesser of two evils. That's all they can get when they see everything as an evil, so why are they crying to people who at least are positively trying to do something? It's ridiculous!

Chathamization

(1,638 posts)
75. And a revolution where someone else does all the work.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:08 AM
Mar 2014

Progressive candidates aren’t manna from heaven, they’re the result of a lot of people spending their time and money working to get them elected.

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
121. Oh, the old "You have to vote for them because they suck less" line
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:58 PM
Mar 2014

It doesn't work with people who are not politically savvy.

Hey, I'm going to vote. I'm lucky in having good people to vote for, especially Keith Ellison and Al Franken.

But if you live in a district where the alleged Democrat votes with the Republicans or keep trying to water down Democratic proposals, it's hard to work up any enthusiasm.

The R's know how to throw red meat to their base.

The D's just say, "We're not the R's, and they're worse."

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
21. Dems should stand up and holler about the idiocy.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 01:33 AM
Mar 2014

Wouldn't be politically correct, but it sure would put them on the defensive about their idiotic views.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
26. Is this true?
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 02:28 AM
Mar 2014

Have there been studies that say the GOP base is more likely to vote than the Democratic base?

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,380 posts)
28. My theory is that the GOP voter is easily riled and that's what the think tanks know.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 03:51 AM
Mar 2014

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And I wonder how many Dems get discouraged by the inevitable long lines in the poorer districts during the General election. The DNC would have been wise to get as many Dems as possible to vote by mail.

I confess to not voting in 1994 and didn't bother to get an absentee ballot for while I was out of the state for 5 weeks. I'd no idea of the magnitude of that election and have never forgiven myself. Or made that mistake again.

JI7

(89,641 posts)
29. it's easy when it's the other party that has the white house, in this case a black Pres
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 03:55 AM
Mar 2014

has made the right wing very angry, even more so after he got re-elected. these people were convinced he was the worst president ever and were convinced most people felt that way.

they could not believe he got re-elected.

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
113. I'll confess to not voting in 1994 either
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:08 PM
Mar 2014

I do have a valid excuse for that though, I was 14.

I will confess to not voting in my first eligible federal election (1998). I was away at college and registered at home (I voted in a school board election when I was still in HS) and did not get an absentee ballot.

Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
118. Pretty much.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:40 PM
Mar 2014

Millennials are much more Liberal than the Democrats, and much more jaded about politics than most of us were when we were their age. They're smart enough to realize when they've been had. To quote the irrepressible Henry Rollins, "Just because someone is handing you a pile of shit, doesn't mean you have to take it."

Democrats need to learn to stop trying to motivate their voters by handing them a pile of shit.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
37. It's a good toon. But, one problem with the toon.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:15 AM
Mar 2014

That redneck knuckle dragger idiot will never have to stand in long lines or have his voting rights challenged.

That only happens in Democratic precincts.

Voting Democratic has become quite inconvenient.

Check out voting conditions for students in North Carolina for example.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
54. Not on the West Coast. Voting is easy here, not a single line in the State, no 'challenge' to
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:53 AM
Mar 2014

any voter. It's wildly and ultimately convenient. Other States refuse to do this, apparently they like to line up then whine about it for years rather than win elections.
We get large turn out. 2010 broke midterm records here. We elect Democrats and pass liberal legislation, our minimum wage is 9.30 and automatically rises with inflation, for example.
If you want examples, you should look to the entire West Coast, then you should follow those examples.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
59. I live in CA and vote by mail. My ballot comes weeks before the election.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:47 AM
Mar 2014

We have a Dem government because we vote nothing more to be said. No whimpy "I don't like this and I don't like that!"

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
68. See, that's the point. We can't all live in California.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 09:27 AM
Mar 2014

States like Ohio, North Carolina and others have enacted barriers to voting, making it less convenient.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
44. Bland wimpy passionless Democratic politicians..
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:35 AM
Mar 2014

... cannot fire up the base or the independents. By design? I think so.

When they do manage to get elected they implement milque-toast half-measure "reforms" that barely scratch the surface.

And then everyone wonders why are stuck when clearly we have the majority of public policy sentiment on our side.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
52. Or the figure on the right could be saying
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:47 AM
Mar 2014

They didn't earn my vote! I'm going to let the Republicans win! I'm not excited or inspired, so the Republicans deserve to win! I'm disappointed! The Democrats are no better than the Republicans, so I'll let the Republicans win! No single payer and no public option? I'll just go without coverage then!

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
55. Low turn out is a regional issue that could be solved, but it is easier to whine than make
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:56 AM
Mar 2014

change to election laws. It needs to be understood that this low turn out shit is not a West Coast problem at all. The 6 Democratic Senators from CA, OR and WA can tell you that.

llmart

(15,854 posts)
60. The Democratic Party and Dem candidates.....
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:47 AM
Mar 2014

need to take a page out of the Republican playbook. Anyone who knows anything about effective advertising knows that using fear is the best motivator. The Republicans feed their base with constant fearmongering about what Democratic policies will do to ruin their lives. I'm trying to think of examples where the Democrats consistently used fearmongering to show how Republican policies have ruined theirs.

Many on DU have said before that we have to stop "playing nice" and thinking that will get us the votes. No, we have to beat them at their own game. And yes, sometimes the ends justify the means.

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
63. lol,
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 09:06 AM
Mar 2014

If elected politicians would simply do what they promise during the campaign, there would be no problem "getting people to vote".

the rub,..... is promising a bunch of crap, .....never following thru with it, then "re-convincing" people to vote again.

MineralMan

(146,572 posts)
76. The Democratic base is eager to vote,
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:59 AM
Mar 2014

and doesn't treat voting as a chore. The Democratic base is dedicated to helping people like the one in the toon get to the polls and vote. The Democratic base is made up of election activists, not bored people who don't care and don't understand why voting is so important.

It seems like some people misunderstand who makes up the base of the Democratic Party. The Democratic base does this:

GOTV 2014 and Beyond!

greatauntoftriplets

(176,146 posts)
77. And I voted on Tuesday!
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:04 PM
Mar 2014

Illinois primary. Fairly good turnout in my precinct. Town went 80 percent for President Obama in 2012.

greatauntoftriplets

(176,146 posts)
79. No problem. I always vote.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:21 PM
Mar 2014

My mother used to take me into the voting booth when I was very young. I got the message.

JI7

(89,641 posts)
103. i find much of the GOTV involves just getting people like that out to vote
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 03:41 PM
Mar 2014

even simple things like just letting them know which day to vote and making sure they did vote. and if they need any help like a ride to the polls.

early voting helps but a lot of times the races which are competitive and close will not have early voting and other things to make it easier because republicans usually oppose those things because they know it helps democrats more.

i actually find voting itself boring. but i don't need to be excited to do it because i am aware of how important it is.

MineralMan

(146,572 posts)
107. Absolutely. I kept a tally in the 2012 election of people
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 03:47 PM
Mar 2014

I talked to while doing precinct walking. If someone said they weren't really planning to vote, I'd try to convince them of how important it was to vote. If I got them to say they'd go to the polls, I marked them in my tally as a GOTV success. By election day, I had tallied 97. Now, not all of them probably did vote, but I have a high confidence level that most did.

Hanging around the polling place, I actually recognized some of those folks.

I can't say I talked to anyone who looked like that person in the toon, but I talked to an awful lot of people who needed to hear a reason to bother going to the polls.

Governor Dayton (DFL) won his election in a recount, by only a few hundred votes. I like to think my precinct walking played a role in his victory. We turned out almost 70% of registered voters in my precinct.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
80. I don't do Facebook. Never have, never will.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:24 PM
Mar 2014

Maybe the "CIA Facebook Project" is more deviously clever than we knew, if it helps neutralize the "Democratic Base".

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
81. I'm so tired of this BS. If the Dems would push popular policy positions, we'd win hands down.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:55 PM
Mar 2014

Instead we more ourselves with national Romneycare, and every god damned war of the week we can get our hands on - yeah, like the Ukraine war for gas, austerity, and big ag.

Want to respond? List the policy positions we stand for!

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
85. I mostly agree... However there is a segment of the US that doesn't vote
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 01:05 PM
Mar 2014

The comic says "Vote again". It's not previous voters we need it's the people who never have and don't want to. And they don't want to because of exactly what you said. No one to vote for.

The truth is Conservatives are a serious minority in this country. Most of the country wants health care, decent wages, income equality, cheaper college, Social Security.. Problem is they see neither party as doing anything to help them so they don't vote. I know. I was one of those people for a long time... And I still battle with myself over voting for the guy who should win over the guy who actually has a chance to win. I don't think I have ever cast a vote where I wasn't voting against someone as opposed to voting for someone.
Well OK, I did actually like voting for Obama the first time, but he's been kind of a disappointment..

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
100. Thank you for saying it. The TRUE majority is disenchanted NON-voters
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 03:21 PM
Mar 2014

I have said it many times in posts of mine here at Democratic Underground.
People keep talking about Democratic voters vs. Republican voters.

NO!!

It's the NON-voter who is the real majority in this country.
WHY they are non-voters vary but you can bet a significant reason is disenchantment with the promise vs. the reality of the political process.
They can no longer suspend their disbelief. They see it all as fake & phony.
It looks to be a game of good cop/bad cop with milquetoast Democrats vs. malevolent Republicans.
They can't trust that ANYBODY in a position of power will REALLY give a damn about the people at the bottom of pyramid.

If the Democratic Party truly stood for what they proclaim themselves to be AND actually followed through with their proclamations, they would convert many of that non-voter majority into Democratic voters.

It's not just a segment that doesn't vote, it's a majority that doesn't vote.
And some don't feel like playing the political game where they don't see any benefits.
They just roll with the punches trying to survive.

Those non-voters WOULD NATURALLY be under a Progressive banner that the Democratic Party is supposed to house.
You're not gonna have any real folks working for a living complaining about wage increases or better conditions for workers.
When the Democratic Party stops being ashamed of its Progressive base, they will thrive.

Until Utopia is reached, the only natural direction for a society IS Progress.
If it's only Utopia for some, it's a Dystopia.
Who wants to Conserve a Dystopia?
John Lucas

TheKentuckian

(25,316 posts)
91. It is way easier to whine about voter apathy than actually do anything to earn votes.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 01:45 PM
Mar 2014

They especially don't want to talk about how their "Centrist" ways are failing in their asserted purpose of drawing independents, they just keep doubling down in phony pursuit of a "middle" they have passed over and now are in Reagan territory in a struggling country, push austerity, saber rattling, and privatization.

Add that to being all mealy mouthed about what the bloody TeaPubliKlans are up to and playing the lame "bipartisan" angle and the case is willfully weak and muddy.

TeaPubliKlans tell the electorate that we are evil, godless, lazy, hate America, are purposefully destroying all opportunity, wish to Institute mind control, are going to force them into gay marriage, put them before death panels, that we are helping (insert boogieman here) destroy America, and anything else they can hurl at us while Democrats tell anyone that will listen that the TeaPubliKlans are right about a lot of things but their is a few little honest disagreements that we are willing to compromise on.

What messages do you think people are getting on average? Who is going to be more driven, the voter told life and death are at stake or the one sold seemingly on more professional management of the same general policy bearings?

What are we a low self esteem teen that has to have everyone like us? Think how often that desperate sort turns out to be even less popular than they would be if they weren't trying to be?

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
97. You're right. The popular kids are the ones who give their freinds value, not the ones who try to
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 02:27 PM
Mar 2014

make themselves popular.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
86. I don't see any money in your post.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 01:16 PM
Mar 2014

That is what we are up against. The caricatures you posted are just symptoms.

 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
88. We elected Obama with a majority in the House and a super in the Senate....
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 01:30 PM
Mar 2014

It simply doesn't get better than that and it will not happen again. Right now the only thing we are voting on is which millionaires get to represent the Billionaires pillaging the country. The economy is circling the drain and the big White House proposals are to pass MORE job destroying free trade, trash Social Security, and raise the minimum wage a little. That's it.

I am not urging anyone stay home, but let's not pretend it's some defect in liberal voters and young people that has caused this apathy. If you are excited to vote for either of these two parties you're delusional.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
90. True for 2014, and possibly in 2016
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 01:44 PM
Mar 2014

2008 was monumental, 2012 was an affirmation of the choice we made in 2008. Many people who never voted before came out to vote. Will 2016 be monumental?

cry baby

(6,685 posts)
94. That about covers it, CP!
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 01:54 PM
Mar 2014

We have GOT to find a way to inspire dem voters in mid-terms...they are so important!

The cartoon is funny and sad at the same time.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
98. You know what's interesting.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 02:37 PM
Mar 2014

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BTW I see the fear card still works beautifully. Vote "D" else don't come complaining here when the "R's" take over.

Yeah whatever. I've been voting "D" for a long ass time so give me a fucking break, and yes I will do it again.*

*this is not directed at the OP.

What happens when "R's" decide they want to switch parties and become a Democrat, yet they still vote "R". We have a lot of Dino's in the party and voting "D" doesn't fix that.

For example, here in Washington State, newly minted Democratic Governor Jay Inslee (who is a supposed to be a well respected D) decided to crap on MMJ patients and sided with the State Liqueur Board on the new Marijuana laws which basically gutted patients rights.

Thanks Jay.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
105. Well part of the reason is that R's fire up their base while Dems neglect theirs.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 03:44 PM
Mar 2014

And R's know how to message, Dems fail miserably at that.

If Dems would fight for expanding SS, single-payer, eliminating corporate welfare, etc... and really get fired up and talk about it all the time the base and the independents who are looking for something to believe in might get excited to come out and vote.

Dems aren't playing offense, they are continually playing defense. They don't play to win, they play not to lose. People need to have a positive to go after, not a negative to avoid.



yuiyoshida

(42,080 posts)
114. I vote by mail and thats about as easy as
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:36 PM
Mar 2014

going to some website like face book. The thing is,now you probably can vote on line.. I have been given some invitations to do that, but I would rather have something in my hand, that I can give to the UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE and know its fairly safe from tampering.

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