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If yo have a work associate or a friend, who states they" hate "Obama....

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How the hell can you remain friends with them under any circumstances?
When one talks about hating Obama it means..

They approve of approximately 50,000 fellow citizens dying each year because of no Insurance..

They approve of cutting safety net programs which end up putting so many people in states of perpetual distress.

They approve of sending young people abroad to fight wars witch they personally know absolutely nothing about.. And there is a huge chance that they know that no one whom they love will be involved..

The above 3 concepts are enough for me to actually hold a serious dislike for these people.
Why? Because their stupidity and complete lack of empathy for other human beings are killing other citizens who live in our country.

So the next time someone at a water cooler at work or at an informal get together states that they hate Obama.. Perhaps you should respond as though this person is partly responsible for someone who is ill and dying because of lack of Healthcare... 49,000 a year....

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Reply If yo have a work associate or a friend, who states they" hate "Obama.... (Original post)
busterbrown Mar 2014 OP
lunasun Mar 2014 #1
Agnosticsherbet Mar 2014 #2
Cirque du So-What Mar 2014 #3
busterbrown Mar 2014 #16
MicaelS Mar 2014 #4
busterbrown Mar 2014 #33
Anansi1171 Mar 2014 #5
Iggo Mar 2014 #6
busterbrown Mar 2014 #18
Iggo Mar 2014 #38
busterbrown Mar 2014 #42
Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2014 #7
SomethingFishy Mar 2014 #8
busterbrown Mar 2014 #20
lunasun Mar 2014 #57
NYC Liberal Mar 2014 #10
South_Street Mar 2014 #9
busterbrown Mar 2014 #21
kelly1mm Mar 2014 #52
South_Street Mar 2014 #71
safeinOhio Mar 2014 #11
Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #27
3catwoman3 Mar 2014 #12
chrisa Mar 2014 #13
busterbrown Mar 2014 #22
Throd Mar 2014 #14
cherokeeprogressive Mar 2014 #19
busterbrown Mar 2014 #24
Niceguy1 Mar 2014 #28
busterbrown Mar 2014 #32
Niceguy1 Mar 2014 #40
Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #59
DrDan Mar 2014 #70
LeftyMom Mar 2014 #15
busterbrown Mar 2014 #44
markpkessinger Mar 2014 #17
Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #23
busterbrown Mar 2014 #25
Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #26
busterbrown Mar 2014 #30
etherealtruth Mar 2014 #29
busterbrown Mar 2014 #31
etherealtruth Mar 2014 #46
busterbrown Mar 2014 #48
quinnox Mar 2014 #34
busterbrown Mar 2014 #36
quinnox Mar 2014 #41
busterbrown Mar 2014 #45
babylonsister Mar 2014 #35
busterbrown Mar 2014 #39
babylonsister Mar 2014 #43
cheezmaka Mar 2014 #37
Cha Mar 2014 #47
Kilgore Mar 2014 #49
spin Mar 2014 #50
mia Mar 2014 #51
laundry_queen Mar 2014 #66
Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #53
polichick Mar 2014 #54
busterbrown Mar 2014 #55
polichick Mar 2014 #74
busterbrown Mar 2014 #75
ZombieHorde Mar 2014 #56
Rex Mar 2014 #62
ZombieHorde Mar 2014 #63
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ZombieHorde Mar 2014 #65
Rex Mar 2014 #58
alarimer Mar 2014 #60
VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #61
riqster Mar 2014 #67
busterbrown Mar 2014 #69
riqster Mar 2014 #72
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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:20 PM

1. Toxic, willingly brainwashed and to be avoided for sure!! Although I will not argue

with the haters................

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:20 PM

2. I thnk that most people like that are clueless about consequences.

They have been told that they HATE the Kenyan-Socialist-Fascist-Muslim-Nazi-Racist-Hate Monger in the White House that is taking all of their guns and using Fast and Furious to send those guns to Mexican drug cartels and middle eastern terrorists who used them to kill Americans at "Ben Gazara." It is a matter of belief, like a religious faith.

Before you show them the door try explaining in words of no more than three syllables, and with numbers nt higher than what they can count on their fingers and toes.

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:28 PM

3. Not sure these issues can be conflated

After all, it's possible to for people to disapprove of all the things you mention while still hating Barack Obama simply because of his race. Most who harbor racially-based hatred, however, are much more likely to support the destructive practices in the OP (IMO).

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Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:18 PM

16. My point is that when someone says they hate Obama...Its code for hating all things relating to

Safety Net Programs which in their mind translates to “Inner City Mentality”..Or specifically targeting Blacks...

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:30 PM

4. If you are in a professional environment..

You have to deal with difficult people in a professional manner. That's part of the work environment, unless you want to quit, or get fired.

IMO, unless you're working in at a job that is specifically politically related, politics should have no place in workplace. And the person who makes trouble over their co-worker's political beliefs should be the person forced to leave.

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:17 PM

33. Obviously my Opinion Piece deals with the response only...

I hope you don’t think I am advocating taking the fight back to them..

I’m just saying I will avoid them at work or wherever I come in contact with them..

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:32 PM

5. Obama Derangement Syndrome, like racism and ...

...its subordinates (white privilege and its denial, white flight, etc) are manifest because they are tolerated by the majority.

We wont fall out with friends and family who behave that way.

Thats why I sincerely appreciate those who do "censure" people close to them who are and behave as racist. Truly selfless souls who act out of conviction and love - like the many Jewish Americans and others who joined and even died persuing civil/human rights in the 60s.

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:33 PM

6. I'm not really friends with the people at work.

But "I hate Obama" doesn't mean any of those things to them.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #6)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:21 PM

18. Then why do they hate him?

What has he done to deserve this hate?
I think its because he has destroyed the concept of White Privilege.

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:22 PM

38. He's black and he's a democrat.

If it ain't both, it's one or the other.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #38)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:26 PM

42. “Black and a democrat” Correct!!!

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:36 PM

7. My bass player hates Obama...

 

He's one of my best friends. So, naturally, we fuck with each other when it comes to politics (which, by the way, isn't all there is to life). The other day, my drummer came over with his laptop. I realized I had a laptop bag that would fit it in the house. Inside the bag, I found a newspaper from 2008 with the headline: "Obama Wins!". I left it on his bass amp.

Flashforward two days, bass player arrives at practice, starts setting up, reaches over to turn on his bass amp and I hear "What the fuck!??!?! Is this supposed to be some kind of joke?!!?"

Laughter ensues. Politics isn't everything.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:51 PM

8. +1... I work with many Conservatives

and yeah most of them are ignorant when it comes to what is going on around them politically. But they aren't all bad people. Just brainwashed. Most of them are simple minded and easy to manipulate.

When I hear 10 different Faux News people use the term "Mom Pants" when talking about Obama I easily figure out that Frank Luntz has released his talking points and they all jumped on board.

When a Conservative hears it over and over, they believe Obama wears "Mom pants". They don't have the intelligence, or the wherewithal to see past the meme itself to the purpose behind it.


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Response to SomethingFishy (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:30 PM

20. Agree with everything you say..except for the fact one should never forget the physical harm

they are inflicting on millions of fellow citizens...
By the way these people who "jump on board” Frank Luntz’s rhetoric do so because it agrees with their sentiments..or appetite... Luntz doesn’t impose his crap on anyone...the hateful reach out to him..

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #20)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:04 PM

57. _+1

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 01:11 PM

10. I had a guidance counselor in high school

who was a big Bush fan. Nice enough guy if you didn't talk politics with him. This was during the run-up to the invasion of Iraq and the few years after. He had a couch in his office and we'd hang out in there and occasionally go at it on politics.

After the 2004 selection, he pinned TIME's cover with Shrub's mug on it to the board in his office. We were sitting in there and he left to go do something for a few minutes, so I "defaced" it with a bunch of thumbtacks. When he came back he was pissed. "Who did this? Who did this?!" Don't know how he didn't figure it was me.

A few years ago I went back and visited my school and stopped by his office. I saw Palin's book on his shelf so I took it out and gave him a lot of crap for that.

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:55 PM

9. Politics shouldn't define your life or your social circle...

 

That and maybe kick up the empathy you mentioned a notch or two...

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Response to South_Street (Reply #9)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:32 PM

21. When it hurts people and destroys lives it sure as hell should....

Empathy for people who destroy lives?
Where did you come from..

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #21)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 10:16 PM

52. My mother-in-law has your attitude, only in reverse. She cannot be friends with those

who she considers liberal because they (her words) "support killing babies". We have often talked about it and she says since they are harming people and destroying lives she will not keep quiet about it.

I am not conflating the two arguments logically. I am trying however to make a point about how 'outrage' based on your own way of seeing things can make one less than fun to be around.

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #21)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 07:56 AM

71. Sounds like you are a real fun guy at a party...

 

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 01:35 PM

11. A lady at work was talking about how

Obama has messed up the country. I told her not to worry because Hillary will straighten it all out. Hung her head and almost started to cry.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:02 PM

27. If you really wanna toy with them, talk about Obama's third term as ominously as you can.

It really creeps the hell out of my republican family members.

I bet that invoking Hillary would do the trick too. I might try it next time.

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 03:12 PM

12. My husband told me that the tax...

...guy he has been using for several years has a picture of President Obama on desk, with a Hitler moustache added. I told him he needs to find another tax guy.

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 03:24 PM

13. "Hating Obama" doesn't mean any of those things. Some Democrats hate Obama too.

It's just an opinion.

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Response to chrisa (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:36 PM

22. The Tea Party was created because of the hatred towards the President...

Tell me about the Democrats who hate Obama ....Who are they?

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 03:29 PM

14. There is a big beautiful world beyond the realm of politics. You should visit it.

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Response to Throd (Reply #14)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:23 PM

19. Truer words have never been posted on an internet discussion board. n/t

 

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Response to Throd (Reply #14)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:40 PM

24. I live a rich full life..

But as long as people in the country I live in inflict pain and suffering on those who are less fortunate
you can bet your ass that I’m gonna push back on them as hard as hell..

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #24)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:04 PM

28. a coworker or friend

Isn't in the position to do any of that

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Response to Niceguy1 (Reply #28)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:13 PM

32. By voting for hard right republicans and tea baggers..They certainly are..

And if you state that you" hate Obama” do you think they will vote for Hillary in the next election/
Good Luck!!

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #32)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:25 PM

40. there is more

to life than politics. Life is fuller with a diverse group of friends. .I would never dump a friend over politics unless they were obsessed with it 24 /7 and being jerks about it.

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Response to Throd (Reply #14)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:12 PM

59. what Throd said

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Response to Throd (Reply #14)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 07:50 AM

70. yep . . . that is true . . . some of it is not so beautiful, but still should be visited

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 03:31 PM

15. You need to get past personalities and talk to people about issues. nt

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #15)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:29 PM

44. Huh? Are you serious?

Exactly what I stated in my original post..

The issues of inflicting pain and suffering on others.. Those are issues aren’t they..

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:20 PM

17. Some of us have to contend with this from members of our own families . . .

. . . and let me tell you, it isn't easy!

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:40 PM

23. My coworker is a Republican.

We get along great, since we have almost identical views on how to run our workspace.

We almost never talk about politics, but work issues, and he's interested more now in the union, since I'm an officer in it.

Shared experiences and solidarity around day to day issues can help persuade people, not acting like a self-righteous person.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #23)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:44 PM

25. Why am I self righteous? Because I don’t want have friendly engagements with people who

are intent on hurting people?

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #25)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:48 PM

26. "respond as though this person is physically damaging someone .....You love.... "

How does this scenario play out at work, in your head:

Coworker: Obama, can't stand him. Hate that guy.

SRD: OH MY GOD, WHAT ARE DOING AND SAYING??? THAT IS EXACTLY LIKE SHOVING MY DOG UNDER A MOVING CAR111!!!!

Coworker: *edges away slowly*

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #26)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:06 PM

30. Unless I’m not getting it.

I sense a bit of sarcasm...How about denying someone Cancer Treatment, because they can not afford Healthcare Insurance... Not that pets under the car isn’t effective especially to people such as me who loves animals....

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #23)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:05 PM

29. No doubt

I take politics seriously ... but, I am not going to ruin relationships with folk over politics. Yes i would object to someone attempting to ram their political beliefs down my throat at work ... but that is not politics .... that is overbearing boorish behavior!

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Response to etherealtruth (Reply #29)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:09 PM

31. This is not politics..It comes under the guise of politics, however

what I am pointing out in my Op is that it comes under the heading of Life or Death..

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #31)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 09:13 PM

46. I have got to say that the Republicans I am friends with ...

... honestly believe they have a better way of meeting the needs of people. I am not talking about the right wing, nut job, religiously insane, evolution denying, scientifically illiterate (racist, homophobic, sexist) types (I have a low tolerance for the stupid or deranged) ... I am talking about "average folk" that believe that there must be a better way.

I believe the ACA is a great start ... is it what I have dreamed of .... absolutely not


They are wrong .... but, they didn't ditch me because I despised Bush

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Response to etherealtruth (Reply #46)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 09:26 PM

48. Fact is, Bush was wrong and now republican’s are admitting it..

Bush is personally responsible for killing or maiming hundreds of thousand Iraqi Civilians and killing over 4000 American kids and you would actually care about them ditching you?

People like that ditching me would be just fine...

By the way doesn’t it piss you off that the Republicans have absolutely no better way what so ever..to solve the healthcare problem but to repeal the ACA... Close to 6 million will probably be signed up by next week..WTF..

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:18 PM

34. One of my best friends is a republican

 

and he is no fan of Obama. I wouldn't say he "hates him", but the point is I think seeing Obama as some sort of personalized figure is strange, he is just another politician, after all, and will be gone in a couple years. And to suggest to make some sort of scene at a workplace over politics? Whoa. I don't think so.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #34)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:21 PM

36. Why would I be making a scene by mentioning Obamacare saved

my niece’s life.. Is that a scene... No, its a response..

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #36)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:25 PM

41. Well, the statement from the OP that sticks out to me is - "Perhaps you should respond as

 

as though this person is physically damaging someone .....You love...."

That sounds like you are advocating a violent response. Because if someone was physically attacking someone I love, of course I wouldn't just stand there, I would jump in, and start fighting. That is an emergency type situation.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #41)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:31 PM

45. I’ll fix that..Thanks..

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:21 PM

35. This happened to me recently

at a party. Someone was appalled I voted for Obama, and never wanted to talk to me again (we had been talking for about 5 hours, on and off, a new 'friend'). Her intolerance makes me more intolerant, and I wasn't even trying to change any minds. Minding my own business...except maybe when I saw the huge confederate flag with some kind of KKK logo on the bottom. I think I asked what that was about, and then the trouble started. Nah, I left. Some minds you will never change, so I don't bother.

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #35)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:24 PM

39. “some minds never change"

And those minds continue to inflict pain and suffering on others..You think this KKK gal gives a crap about kids going to bed hungry?

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #39)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:28 PM

43. No. I think she is woefully uninformed, and proud of it.

It made me realize how brainwashed she was; she wasn't dumb. Granted, this was a biker party, with a really great karaoke system! I went for fun, didn't expect conflict, even with the flag. I live in GA; goes with some of the territory.

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:22 PM

37. When I express my support for Obama, most of my conservative associates "unfriend" me...

and I absolutely have NO PROBLEM with it....lol

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 09:16 PM

47. they're brainwashed.. they're freaking useless. Fortunately I don't anyone who

"hates" Pres Obama except in DU cyberspace.

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 10:00 PM

49. My unscientific observation

I posted this observation in another thread recently, but it also speaks to this one also.

My neighborhood of 37 homes gets together each March to plan our road maintenance and pick a date for our neighborhood picnic. When business is done, the event becomes an early spring social complete with BYOB adult beverages. A few drinks in and political discussions usually erupt. It's interesting to watch since the residents are a mix of retired folks, blue collar union and non-union families, and some management folks. All are homeowners and have known most for years. Being a people watcher, I enjoy monitoring the sometimes heated discussions.

In 08 I can say there was a general disgust of Bush and lots of enthusiasm for Obama, quite a bit less enthusiasm for him in 12, and zero this year. In general, there was a vocal dislike him and the federal government this year. The ACA was a big negative as was privacy (NSA), IRS, Putin, and Bengazi. In general, it was a huge bitch session.

Tough and scary to watch.

Kilgore


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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 10:02 PM

50. I don't understand all the hatred for Obama but I do understand why some may be ...

disappointed.

There is no doubt in my mind that Obama has a lot of great ideas and has the ability to raise a tremendous amount of enthusiasm for these ideas in many voters. He is undoubtedly the best campaigner I have seen in my 67 years.

Unfortunately I fear his leadership abilities do not match his skills on the stump. Admittedly in today's political environment compromise is an endangered word. Still I will argue that what makes a great leader is his ability to overcome opposition.

Perhaps the ACA will be viewed by historians as Obama's greatest accomplishment but even many liberals are disappointed with ObamaCare. Many point out that they wished for a world class healthcare plan and not merely a plan that allows insurance companies to continue to profit.

It appears to me that Obama largely delegated setting up the ACA to Congress and avoided using his "bully pulpit" to push for a single payer healthcare system which many here on DU hoped for. There is no doubt in my mind that the roll out of the ACA was a world class disaster. It may even cause the loss of many Democratic seats in the Senate as well as further Republican gains in the House. Fortunately the Republican Party wishes to totally repeal the ACA while most citizens wish to modify it to make it work.

I maybe putting on a tin foil hat but I am beginning to wonder if it makes any difference who we vote for as noting seems to change. The rich get richer and the middle class is rapidly disappearing. Those we elect often make promises and fail to follow through.

I am beginning to wonder if all the surveillance we are subjected to by certain agencies of our government isn't being misused. J.Edgar Hoover lacked the abilities that the NSA has but still he was considered for years to be the most powerful man in Washington D.C. Some say that Congress and even Presidents feared him because he had files on everybody of importance and was more than willing to destroy anyone who dared oppose him.

Is it possible that those we elect are merely puppets under control of a select ruling few who pulls their strings? If so, we do not and have not lived in a representative democracy for years. Maybe that's why we live in the mess we do.

I see not reason to hate Obama but I have to admit that I am beginning to wonder why an individual with his potential can't deliver on his promises. I don't feel he is lazy or incompetent. Perhaps the simple explanation is that he can't deliver because he isn't really in charge.

I hope and pray that I am wrong.



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Response to spin (Reply #50)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 10:09 PM

51. I believe you're right.

I wonder how long it's been since any president of the U.S. was really in charge.

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Response to spin (Reply #50)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 02:17 AM

66. I hope you are wrong

but I have the sneaking suspicion you are right.

I'm in Canada, so open political discussion regarding the US is usually a topic of conversation when you don't want to discus Canadian politics with friends. Every. single. person. I have had this discussion with thinks what you do. I haven't talked politics with a Canadian yet that doesn't suspect something nefarious. Of course, it could be because us Canadians have a tendency to view the US as severely corrupt and our own system as much less compromised so we always think corruption/cia/spying first. At any rate, there is a lot of disappointment in Obama, and a lot of people I've discussed this with that know a lot less than me always ask me, "what happened?" I have no answers. I get there is a lot of obstructionism, but there is definitely more to it than just that.

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 10:16 PM

53. True. If I were free to do what I desire, I'd probably beat up quite a few at my office.

DUMB doesn't begin to describe how stupid some people are, but one simply can't go around beating people black and blue simply because they have they lack brains.

And of course, there's also the issue of having to work with them. So what can one do?

Well, one can make comebacks that, while not insulting them personally, can make them feel rather stupid. But always smile when you do that.

I think what's worse than hearing a half-brained Repuke criticize President Obama, is hearing LIBS criticize President Obama. I don't give a shit what their problem is, if they are lib, and they're criticizing Obama, they're behaving like Republican assholes, using the same wording as Republican assholes, employing the same techniques as Republican assholes, and THEREFORE I will see them as I see Republican assholes.

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 10:21 PM

54. Hating Obama doesn't necessarily mean they approve of those things...

It might mean they are afraid, ignorant and brainwashed.

But still, I can't be friends with people like that - polite acquaintances but not friends.

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Response to polichick (Reply #54)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 10:33 PM

55. and vindictive and plain out nasty..

These people “Afraid, Ignorant and Brainwashed” become that only because they feel comfortable with whats pushed into their minds by the Hate Radio and Fox!!

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #55)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 01:13 PM

74. Some are vindictive and nasty - some are just frightened tools...

but most don't actually know what policies they are voting for because they either don't bother to or can't connect the dots.

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Response to polichick (Reply #74)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 04:03 PM

75. Thats because their racism overwhelms every part of potential rational thinking..

This is all about Blacks spending their days on their front steps living the life.. Booze. , Designer clothes, Flat Screen T.V. and enough left over for the tavern...All brought to them by our Black President for the intentions of securing their votes.. Just ask Congressman Ryan.

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:00 PM

56. "How the hell can you remain friends with them under any circumstances?"

Because I am capable of critical thinking.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #56)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 12:04 AM

62. Really? You don't try and wall them up like Escape from NY?

 

Escape from LA for the younger crowd.

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Response to Rex (Reply #62)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 12:09 AM

63. I've always favored an

old fashioned witch hunt.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #63)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 12:12 AM

64. You think Kenneth Starr will make a good zombie?

 

Are their zombie lawyers?

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Response to Rex (Reply #64)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 12:17 AM

65. We don't need lawyers.

We just eat those who oppose us.

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:06 PM

58. Yeah Texas is full of them. You run into them at grocery stores and picking up the mail.

 

I got to deal with it at work. Otherwise not much dealing daily with preppers.

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:18 PM

60. Some of us on the left have our reasons for not liking him either.

Drones, Trans-Pacific Partnership being negotiated in secret that will GUT environmental, health safety and labor laws. The ACA being a giveaway to health insurance companies, etc., etc. Maybe it's the best we could do, maybe not. People will still die from lack of health care. They won't be able to afford the premiums, or, more likely, the deductible or copays. Or the medication, upon which there could be price controls but profit above all, I guess.

We'd be better off if he really was a socialist.

When I hear people (on the right) say they can't stand Obama, I can't really defend him. They are wrong as to their reasons, but there is not much to defend from the other side either.

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:46 PM

61. did they call him a "piece of shit car salesman" by any chance?

 

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 06:24 AM

67. I am not qualified to render judgement on my friends and co-workers. nt

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Response to riqster (Reply #67)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 07:44 AM

69. Are you able to see the facts which point out how your “Obama hating Friends” are ..

destroying lives in our country..

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #69)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 07:58 AM

72. Sure, and I point them out.

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 06:54 AM

68. I don't mind too much when my progressive colleague says that he hates Obama.

 

He has some good reasons for hating him. I don't hate Obama, and I think Obama has improved during his time in office, but he has been a disappointment on many issues. I have seen improvement especially on military issues, although I think it was dumb luck that prevented him from doing something stupid in Syria. He has also improved on border enforcement issues, but still wants to punish undocumented workers for trying to feed their families. His 180 degree shift on whether the president has the right to place the nation in a state of war has been a huge disappointment. His failure to seriously address prison reform or to propose amendments to the war crimes act so that it unambiguously criminalizes harsh interrogation techniques are further disappointments. I won't continue with the long list of disappointments, or add in his many accomplishments, but I guess I don't see much of a reason for loving or hating Obama.

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 08:34 AM

73. I am blessed with very few Republicans in my life

strangely though a lot of my female relatives (mom, stepmom, sister-in-law) are Republican though we rarely talk politics and none of them seem to be of the really rabid and "in-your-face" variety, which makes things a bit easier.
I've tried to work on my mom a little bit and the past two elections I thought I might finally convince her to vote Democratic because she seems disenchanted with the Republicans but, in the end, she couldn't bring herself to do it.
As for my sister-in-law, sometimes she'll spout off about Hillary or something and I'll sort of toy around with her and talk like a "Colbert-conservative". I don't know if I fool her or not but it's sort of fun to speak like I imagine Republicans speak to one another. :
My stepmom doesn't really talk politics. None of them are what I would refer to as cruel and/or malicious people, just misinformed/ignorant. I would not seriously consider cutting any of them off unless they started attacking my beliefs or supporting something really odious. I used to have a teabagger friend on my FB until I finally unfriended him after he started attacking me after sparring back and forth over guns for awhile. Life is too short for a lot of unnecessary drama IMHO.

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