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packman

(16,296 posts)
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 03:18 PM Mar 2014

Give them equal air-time

Last edited Fri Mar 21, 2014, 07:32 PM - Edit history (1)

That damn Cosmos series has the creationist demanding equal air time to argue against all that fancy science stuff:

"Danny Faulkner of Answers In Genesis and the Creation Museum appeared on The Janet Mefferd Show yesterday to criticize Cosmos for not providing airtime for Creationism adherents. When Mefferd asked if Cosmos will “ever give a Creationist any time,” Faulkner responded by lamenting that “Creationists aren’t even on the radar screen for them, they wouldn’t even consider us plausible at all.”

Gee, "not plausible at all", you think so?

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Cirque du So-What

(25,914 posts)
1. Lamenting the loss of the Fairness Doctrine, are ye?
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 03:21 PM
Mar 2014

although I don't think the FD would apply in this case anyway...unless you're willing to admit that your creationist brand of stupidity is actually a spiral arm of a political party, that is.

spin

(17,493 posts)
2. I consider myself a Christian although many "Christians" would not, however ...
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 03:37 PM
Mar 2014

I enjoy watching the Cosmos series as I don't feel the Bible and especially the Old Testament is a text book on science.





Squinch

(50,932 posts)
6. I don't belong to any religion any more, but I went to
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 04:04 PM
Mar 2014

a Jesuit college. I had one professor, a Jesuit, who always said that good science was good religion, because it showed respect and awe for God's ACTUAL creation, not some fairy tale of creation.

Squinch

(50,932 posts)
10. Who was it who said to the creationists, "Your god is not big enough to explain the
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 09:09 PM
Mar 2014

creativity of whoever created my universe." Or something to that effect.

spin

(17,493 posts)
11. The God I personally believe in is far beyond my comprehension. ...
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 04:47 PM
Mar 2014

My son in law is an agnostic at best. He ridicules many Christians who to him believe that God is a old man sitting on a cloud watching our activity. He points out that since he is a sky diver, he has been in the clouds and never saw either God or his angels.

I try to explain that view was developed as a means to illustrate to an illiterate and unscientific population a concept of God that they could relate to. I mention that my cat has a limited amount of intelligence and if he can reach a light switch, can discover that pushing it on and off will illuminate a room. That doesn't mean that he can understand why electricity works, the power grid and how electricity is generated. (Of course it might be argued that humans don't totally understand electricity but have merely learned to use it.)

Both my son in law and I agree that religion was essential to the development of a working civilization. Aggression and greed are characteristics of human nature and it is impossible to field a large enough police force to control everybody at all times. It helps if you can convince a number of people that they are being watched by a supernatural power who knows everything they do.

My son in law calls this the Santa Claus story for adults. If you live a good life and help others you will be rewarded in the afterlife, but if you are evil but smart enough to escape human law enforcement you will still be severely punished when you die. A child is told Santa will give him a lump of coal for Christmas if he misbehaves too often but an adult is told that he will face an eternity of punishment in the fires of hell.

While I am unsure of the existence of either heaven or hell I am will to except that there could be a controlling intelligence permeating our universe. This energy, force or simply shear intelligence would be responsible for the laws of physics and quantum mechanics. This entity would most likely use evolution as a tool. If "He" used what we would call miracles they would most likely be based on science we do not understand.

If a modern day scientist invented a time machine and journeyed back three or four thousand years with a few simple items, some chemicals and some antibiotics he might be viewed as a god and worshiped.

Of course unlike my cat, the human ability to learn is far less limited. We have been able to invent computers and eventually they will become artificially intelligent. We may evolve into a hybrid species and be part human and part machine. If so, we might eventually link up with each other to form a super intelligence. If we ever reach that point we may gain the knowledge necessary to find if a far superior intelligence such as God exists and perhaps to meet "Him."

I enjoy studying religion and have found that most religions teach that you should treat others as you would have them treat you. I try my best to follow this advice. It wouldn't really bother me if my life ends and there is nothing beyond. At least I can leave this life knowing that I did my best to be fair to all and to help others. Of course I am far from perfect and have made some regrettable mistakes in my life that I am sorry for. Still life should be and is a learning experience.

In passing, I should point out that I have met many atheists who I felt were better and more moral people than many religious people I have met. That's just my opinion as I feel I lack the intelligence and knowledge to pass judgment on others. I will admit that when I encounter a Christian who attempts to push his religion on me I tend to be more careful in any dealings I have with him than most other people I know. I should also mention that I have met a number of very religious people including Christians that I have admired and sometimes trusted.










Squinch

(50,932 posts)
12. Your son in law sounds very sure of his position.
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 05:19 PM
Mar 2014

Last edited Sat Mar 22, 2014, 10:06 PM - Edit history (1)

Which always amuses me, because what we are talking about is the unknowable. Which means that no one knows.

I, too, like to study religions and religious history. Cults fascinate me, and newer religions - the ones where we have documentation about the very human natures of their supposedly divine prophets and originators - do too. I have a very idiosyncratic set of beliefs based on my own experiences, so I can't judge anyone else's crazy conclusions.

In the end, I think that all we can do is what you say: try and do right as our experiences have made us define it.

spin

(17,493 posts)
13. Perhaps the reason that my son in law is agnostic is that he has only been exposed ...
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 08:05 PM
Mar 2014

to extremely fundamentalist Southern churches.

He mentioned attending a Pentecostal Church where one lady was "talking in tongues" and another lady was interpreting what she was saying. He felt both were working together to fool the congregation, which I feel is worthy of debate.

His mother is currently married to a fundamentalist Christian and claims to be very religious. She fears that she will never see my son in law in heaven as he is not religious and says she can't understand why as she always took him to church. My son in law points out that she rarely attended church when he was growing up and all the alcohol she consumed at that time must have caused her to lose much of her memory. I view his mother as a person who is doing her best to appease her husband but is also trying to be a good Christian. However she is somewhat judgmental of others which is far above her pay grade. She is however basically a good person. She no longer abuses alcohol if she ever did.

Both my parents were raised as Catholics but both divorced which at the time was severely frowned on by the Catholic faith, so they left. They never attended church while I was growing up but my mother did try to read portions of the Bible to me and got me to memorize the 23rd psalm. My main exposure to the Christian faith was in elementary school when a lady would show up and put stick on figures on a background to illustrate Bible stories. (This was in Ohio in the 1950s.)

My parents did send me to a vacation Bible school for several summers. I did enjoy the experience but we spend more time making stuff than we did learning about religion.

In my late teens a friend of mine got me to attend a couple of churches. In one, a visiting Southern Baptist minister was preaching Hell Fire and Brimstone. I couldn't contain my laughter at his antics so I had to walk out into the lobby.


I should point out that the same preacher called both him and another young fellow up to the pulpit and said, "You better accept Christ as your savior because one of you is going to die in the next few years. The other guy did but my friend refused. Two years later he and another guy broke into a gas station and were stealing stuff. A neighbor came home from work and his dog was barking. He noticed a flashlight in the gas station and grabbed a .22 caliber rifle and went to investigate. When he walked into the gas station he encountered the two guys. He shot my friend through the heart and he died. Go figure.


My friend also took me to a Seventh Day Adventist Church for a Sunday School Class. He was dating a girl who was a member of this religion.

After the class I asked him. "Why the hell are you dating this girl? She doesn't believe in dancing or movies, drinking and even coffee? What fun can she be?"

He replied, "That doesn't leave much except sex and she is damn good in bed."

He tried to convince me to date his girlfriend's sister but perhaps foolishly I refused.

When I married my wife who was raised to attend church on Sunday insisted I do the same. We joined a small Presbyterian church. I would enjoy the sermon for ten minutes but then it got far too deep in theology to hold my interest. To avoid sheer boredom and falling asleep, I would look at all the well dressed young women and fantasize about having sex with them. I found this hypocritical and unproductive so I stopped going. That probably added somewhat to the reasons that I ended up divorced. Interestedly my ex ended up marrying a Wiccan although she still attends church.

Perhaps the best sermon I have ever attended was at the Saint Louis Catholic Cathedral on Jackson Square in New Orleans. I was dating a girl who invited me. The priest's sermon dealt with the immortality in the establishments on Bourbon Street. I suspect that some in the congregation either worked in these businesses or perhaps owned them. The priest may not have garnered a lot of money in donations from his sermon on that day but apparently he didn't care.

Most church sermons that I have attended appear to avoid addressing the sins of the congregation. Perhaps that is why I do not attend church. I suspect God is rarely represented in churches today. I feel the most profitable enterprises a person can find today might be to become a preacher or a politician.

Although my father never attended church when I was growing up, his education in a Catholic school enabled him to have a considerable knowledge of the Bible. I watched him argue religion with some who stopped by our home to convert us to their particular faith. He literally destroyed them as he was so knowledgeable of the Good Book that he could point out the many inconsistencies.

Yet before he died he gave me some advice. He said, "Son you can believe in the Bible and Christianity if you chose or not. However if there is any truth to this book and you believe in it, you will be far ahead of those who don't."

So now I am retired and have time to study religion and form my views. I tend to concentrate mostly on Christianity as it is the local religion. I lack the cultural background to understand other religions such as Buddhism but still I enjoy reading about them and finding that the basic principals are quite similar to Christianity.

Like my father, I can find many discrepancies and inconsistencies in the Bible. I avoid attending church services and especially Sunday school as I fear I might speak out and the questions I ask might cause some to lose their faith.

My son in law feels the Bible is a lot like Aesop"s Fables and contains a lot of wisdom. Unfortunately he mentioned this to his mother and she blew up in anger. I have to admit that I found this hilarious but I would never do such a thing. Still I think he made a valid point.










NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
3. all three of my local channels do a couple hours every Sunday on church shows
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 03:41 PM
Mar 2014

Actually they are paid advertisements for these churches who hope to make up the money by getting people to tithe.

Do you want to get a running total of hours a week spent on creationism?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
5. By the way
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 03:51 PM
Mar 2014

This science stuff, I know shocking to these people, is not faith.

Though to be fair, maybe we need a discussion of how many quanta exist at the top of a nail. I am sure a few medieval saints would be up to it.

longship

(40,416 posts)
7. Nope. Let them pound sand.
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:01 PM
Mar 2014

No need to provide equal time for the flat earth, or the phlogiston theory, or Ptolemaic astronomy, or many other falsified and often religious concepts.

Nope! No. No. No.

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