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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 08:25 AM Mar 2014

Report: 57% of Cigarettes Sold in New York Are Smuggled

Report details the lucrative criminal enterprise of buying cigarettes in low tax states to sell on the black market where taxes are higher

A majority of the cigarettes for sale in New York are illegally smuggled into the state, according to a report out Wednesday from the conservative research group the Tax Foundation.

According to the report, 56.9% of the cigarettes sold in New York—the highest importer of smuggled cigarettes—originated from out of state. Since 2006, cigarette smuggling in the state has risen sharply, by 59%, in tandem with a massive hike in cigarette taxes of 190%. New York state now has the highest cigarette taxes in the country, at $4.35 a pack. Residents of NYC must also pay an extra $1.50 per pack.

Cigarette taxes rose in 30 states and the District of Columbia between 2006 and 2012. Hiking tobacco taxes has been shown to make a dent in smoking rates—in particular among younger smokers—but also creates sometimes sharp state-to-state price differentials that incentivize illegal smuggling.

http://time.com/30786/57-of-cigarettes-sold-in-new-york-are-smuggled/

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Report: 57% of Cigarettes Sold in New York Are Smuggled (Original Post) The Straight Story Mar 2014 OP
No surprise there. NaturalHigh Mar 2014 #1
"Report from...conservative Tax Foundation" Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #2
Prohibition through taxation is as dangerous pipoman Mar 2014 #3
Some folks aren't going to be happy until the black market thrives and gangs have something to kill TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #4
You nailed it meow2u3 Mar 2014 #8
Cigarrettes are often used for money laundering. Tobacco companies actually have made contracts with newthinking Mar 2014 #10
That is why NY is agressive on un-taxed smokes.... Historic NY Mar 2014 #11
I would have expected most of those smuggled cigarettes came from SC. raccoon Mar 2014 #5
I think I know exactly where they're from jmowreader Mar 2014 #12
Doesn't surprise me Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #6
No shit, huh? linuxman Mar 2014 #7
I'm surprised anyone even buys ready-made cigarettes. Mariana Mar 2014 #9
 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
2. "Report from...conservative Tax Foundation"
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 08:40 AM
Mar 2014

taking this with a grain of salt; what's this estimate based on, exactly? Seizures of untaxed cigarettes? Random sampling of cigarettes for sale in various locations? I'd need to see some solid basis for this figure before accepting it, especially considering the bias and obvious agenda of the source.

TheKentuckian

(25,020 posts)
4. Some folks aren't going to be happy until the black market thrives and gangs have something to kill
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 09:01 AM
Mar 2014

over.

meow2u3

(24,759 posts)
8. You nailed it
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 09:27 AM
Mar 2014

Some of those overzealous nicotine prohibitionists want to use the same tactic to tax e-cigs out of existence--and vaping carries only 1% of the risk of smoking.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
10. Cigarrettes are often used for money laundering. Tobacco companies actually have made contracts with
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 11:29 AM
Mar 2014

the mafia. At least in the past. Now much of the mafia have a foot in the corporate world, but I would not be surprised if they are still using cigarettes to move money around.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
11. That is why NY is agressive on un-taxed smokes....
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 12:53 PM
Mar 2014

most are coming in from Virginia, Georgia, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, and Tennessee. They have gone after every scheme from the Indian reservations using out of state straw purchase and deliveries, buyers clubs, to FED EX and others picking up and delivering untaxed cigarettes.

raccoon

(31,105 posts)
5. I would have expected most of those smuggled cigarettes came from SC.
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 09:14 AM
Mar 2014

I thought SC had about the lowest tax on cigarettes, but I just did some googling, and found out SC doesn't.

SC is #42 (from highest to lowest).

Source: http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/cigarette.pdf




jmowreader

(50,528 posts)
12. I think I know exactly where they're from
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 03:01 PM
Mar 2014

Almost all the cheap cigarettes in NYC come from one of two stores: D&R Tobacco in Kenly, NC, and JR Cigars in Selma, NC. They're a one-day drive from NYC and they give discounts for bulk buys. Plus their parking lots are always full of out-of-state plates. This is a popular stop for tourists, because it's in the "halfway between NYC and Orlando" zone, but very few tourists buy 500 cartons at a time.

If the feds want to cut down this traffick, they need only follow bulk buys out of these stores.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
6. Doesn't surprise me
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 09:19 AM
Mar 2014

I'd imagine the rates are similar here (UK). Where taxes are high, a certain percentage will always seek to evade those taxes (no, I'm not arguing for getting rid of the taxes). What I do wonder is how many people are AWARE they're smoking smuggled cigs? I wouldn't be at all surprised if a store owner brought smuggled smokes, sold them at full price and pocketed the difference.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
9. I'm surprised anyone even buys ready-made cigarettes.
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 09:36 AM
Mar 2014

Most of my friends who smoke make their own with pipe tobacco, which is very inexpensive.

Some of them have switched to vaping.

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