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MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 08:05 PM Mar 2014

I don't think they'll ever find Flight 370.

I'm starting to think "they" don't want to. Every time we hear about suspicious objects floating on the ocean, by the time anybody gets around to going down there and checking, the objects are gone. Either nobody cares enough to get there ASAP, or finding the objects will create more problems than the world wants.

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I don't think they'll ever find Flight 370. (Original Post) MoonRiver Mar 2014 OP
Won't find it is likely, Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2014 #1
This is the longest a commercial flight has ever been missing. former9thward Mar 2014 #5
... Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #8
well, you're no fun. uppityperson Mar 2014 #10
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #25
Hey! hrmjustin Mar 2014 #26
apologist for the Illuminati checking in! uppityperson Mar 2014 #30
Evildoer! hrmjustin Mar 2014 #34
Just don't call me a shill uppityperson Mar 2014 #35
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #43
The U.S.military very early on in this case former9thward Mar 2014 #14
Not sure about that commercial flight claim... Raine1967 Mar 2014 #9
That was not a commercial flight -- now was it? former9thward Mar 2014 #12
Thank you for adding in some common sense. n/t truedelphi Mar 2014 #33
Occam's Razor. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2014 #2
+1 Jgarrick Mar 2014 #6
Exactly etherealtruth Mar 2014 #24
We have heard over and over again ... former9thward Mar 2014 #3
Our government has switched away from the type of radar that truedelphi Mar 2014 #37
To be fair both the south Indian ocean satellite photos were 4 days old applegrove Mar 2014 #4
it's a four hour flight, I read, from any land Voice for Peace Mar 2014 #7
I've had that thought also. MoonRiver Mar 2014 #11
The last one I saw had some idiot on the flight deck TheCowsCameHome Mar 2014 #13
Maybe "they" could dispatch one sans the idiot. MoonRiver Mar 2014 #17
I don't think they will either, unfortunately. Terra Alta Mar 2014 #15
Actually the tropical storm heading for the search area malaise Mar 2014 #16
Wow, malaise, I really hope so! MoonRiver Mar 2014 #18
I can just imagine the anguish for the families malaise Mar 2014 #21
Or the distances are such... that ... nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #19
I believe I heard that the ocean is 2 miles deep where the wreckage was seen. lob1 Mar 2014 #28
Yeah, it is deep. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #29
It's just not that easy. Mojo Electro Mar 2014 #20
FFS "I'm starting to think "they" don't want to" here we fucking go, conspircy shit. nt Logical Mar 2014 #22
who is "they" and how would you suggest they do it ASAP ? JI7 Mar 2014 #23
LOL, so true. These posts amaze me. n-t Logical Mar 2014 #40
the objects are constantly moving, so it's not like they can pinpoint them on the satellite pix magical thyme Mar 2014 #27
Why are we back at did it "Could Flight 370 be on land?" HipChick Mar 2014 #31
Hubby howled with laughter at that shite malaise Mar 2014 #36
I swear I have never seen anything like this...and that fake sea thing they have....their props dept HipChick Mar 2014 #38
I stopped watching CNN malaise Mar 2014 #39
Maybe he's back on the pills davidpdx Mar 2014 #45
If it took that southern arc and crashed, that's likely Warpy Mar 2014 #32
I agree with you. laundry_queen Mar 2014 #41
If it crashed into a remote and deep section of the ocean rumdude Mar 2014 #42
I can guarantee that it will be found .... rickford66 Mar 2014 #44
Ann Coulter ate it davidpdx Mar 2014 #46
Probably not. But at least there's a place that's safe from the NSA. Barack_America Mar 2014 #47
It will be found but my take yrs to get it out of that deep area. IMO the problem is illegal loading CK_John Mar 2014 #48
If so...they have blood on their hands.. HipChick Mar 2014 #49
It was The Rapture. The rest of us are now left behind. Motown_Johnny Mar 2014 #50
I heard from the austrailian end of the search... Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #51

Benton D Struckcheon

(2,347 posts)
1. Won't find it is likely,
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 08:09 PM
Mar 2014

but not for the reason you state. Amelia Earhart was never found either. There's a Boeing plane that was stolen in 2003 or so that disappeared and no one knows what happened there either.
It's a big world. If you drop into the middle of the ocean, chances of being found if no one even knows where to begin to look aren't exactly high.

former9thward

(31,981 posts)
5. This is the longest a commercial flight has ever been missing.
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 08:13 PM
Mar 2014

The other two you mention are apples and oranges. Were there satellites when Earhart went missing in her tiny plane? This plane disappeared in an area of the world with the highest population density and intense radar and satellite coverage.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
8. ...
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 08:21 PM
Mar 2014
The southern Indian Ocean, where investigators suspect missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 may have come down, is one place where a commercial airliner can crash without a ship spotting it, a radar plotting it or even a satellite picking it up.

The empty expanse of water is one of the most remote places in the world and also one of the deepest, posing potentially enormous challenges for the international search effort focusing on the area, one of several possible crash sites.

Even Australia, which has island territories in the Indian Ocean and sends rescue planes to pluck stricken yachtsmen from the cold, mountainous seas in the south from time to time, has no radar coverage much beyond its Indian Ocean coast.

“In most of Western Australia and almost all of the Indian Ocean, there is almost no radar coverage,” an Australian civil aviation authority source said, requesting anonymity as he was not authorised to speak on the record.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/16/if-mh370-crashed-in-southern-indian-ocean-it-wouldnt-be-seen-or-heard

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former9thward

(31,981 posts)
14. The U.S.military very early on in this case
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 08:43 PM
Mar 2014

said they could detect flashes (explosions) anywhere in the world and there were no flashes that night. That would indicate there is satellite coverage anywhere. So much for the "source" who refuses to be named.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
9. Not sure about that commercial flight claim...
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 08:27 PM
Mar 2014

[and not really sure if it matters...

div class="excerpt"]In May of 2003, a completely airworthy Boeing 727 once owned by American Airlines, taxied out of maintenence and made an unauthorized takeoff from Luanda, Angola.

There was no radio communication, and the transponder was off. It simply disappeared, and would have been another aviation footnote except for two things.

The alleged hijacking came less than two years after 9-11 when we were still on our witch-hunt, so the CIA was very interested in a jetliner disappearing.

And a Mr. Ben Padilla, an American, was supposedly at the controls when the jet took off. It's been ten years, and like Star Dust, this plane is simply gone without a trace.

Source.


Just wanted to put that out there.

former9thward

(31,981 posts)
12. That was not a commercial flight -- now was it?
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 08:39 PM
Mar 2014

It was a stolen plane and the only people on it were the thieves.

The search for Malaysian Airlines MH370 is the longest yet for a commercial flight that has gone missing, and there is still no end in sight.

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/03/20/Missing-MH370-longest-ever-search/

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
2. Occam's Razor.
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 08:10 PM
Mar 2014

The reason the airplane might never be found is simply that the Indian Ocean is very big and very deep. "They" would have to know where it is if "they" want to be sure nobody ever finds it.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
24. Exactly
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 09:15 PM
Mar 2014

It is tragic and it is frightening (I am a very terrified flier/ irrational, I know) .... but, it is what it is.

former9thward

(31,981 posts)
3. We have heard over and over again ...
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 08:10 PM
Mar 2014

That satellites can read license plates from space. But now that they are needed they have no idea whether a 80 foot object is a piece of wreckage or a cargo carton that is adrift. Someone is lying.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
37. Our government has switched away from the type of radar that
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 09:37 PM
Mar 2014

Would do this type of search. At least as far as that region of the world.

We now have a type of radar more in line with our need to support the drone warfare of the future.
http://qz.com/190937/drone-warfare-is-why-we-cant-find-malaysian-airlines-flight-370/

Also check out Synoia's theory over at Firedoglake. Like someone over there said, her conception of what happened would make a very decent thriller, even if it is not what actually occurred.

Then there is Jim Stone's version of events.
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/03/case-closed-hijacked-by-awacs-2916516.html

applegrove

(118,622 posts)
4. To be fair both the south Indian ocean satellite photos were 4 days old
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 08:10 PM
Mar 2014

when they were spotted. A satellite can take a photo. But it has to be looked at with a set of eyes before it becomes useful.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
7. it's a four hour flight, I read, from any land
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 08:17 PM
Mar 2014

and once in the area planes have only two hours for the search.

They ought to have an aircraft carrier out there.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
13. The last one I saw had some idiot on the flight deck
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 08:42 PM
Mar 2014

with a 'Mission Accomplished' banner in the background.

Terra Alta

(5,158 posts)
15. I don't think they will either, unfortunately.
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 08:45 PM
Mar 2014

I hope they do eventually though, for the families' sake. They deserve closure.

malaise

(268,930 posts)
16. Actually the tropical storm heading for the search area
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 08:46 PM
Mar 2014

may whip up the ocean and deliver some more debris.

malaise

(268,930 posts)
21. I can just imagine the anguish for the families
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 09:08 PM
Mar 2014

and friends of those on board - including those of the pilots and cabin crew.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
19. Or the distances are such... that ...
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 08:50 PM
Mar 2014

The search area is not really an easy one to do any search on. If they find it. we are talking of ocean depths that ROVs will be used.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
29. Yeah, it is deep.
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 09:26 PM
Mar 2014

The only manned that could go down that deep is Alvin iirc. Why unmaned will be used.

Mojo Electro

(362 posts)
20. It's just not that easy.
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 09:05 PM
Mar 2014

The satellite photos are days old, you can't just go to where the object is, you have to take currents into account and go to where the object might be. Not to mention in it's a very remote area of the ocean. 4 hours 1 way by airplane just to get out there. Nobody is staring at a video monitor watching a satellite camera sitting over one spot. Satellites photograph a strip of ocean as they pass overhead, and then later somebody has to search through what must be hundreds if not thousands of photos looking for something.

I believe it will eventually be found, because I don't think they will stop looking. Worst case is that years go by and the search is massively scaled back, but there will always be some effort to find it, even if just by passing ships or by NASA. Or, some debris may eventually wash up somewhere.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
27. the objects are constantly moving, so it's not like they can pinpoint them on the satellite pix
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 09:19 PM
Mar 2014

and then find them at that location.

It's a huge area they are searching, and cargo ships pass through and leave debris as well.

They haven't spent the time, effort and money because they don't want to find them. This is harder than a needle in a haystack.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
31. Why are we back at did it "Could Flight 370 be on land?"
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 09:28 PM
Mar 2014

I just turned on CNN, and they are still in that 777 simulator..don't think has changed his clothes in days...do they ever let him out

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
38. I swear I have never seen anything like this...and that fake sea thing they have....their props dept
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 09:47 PM
Mar 2014

must stay busy...and Richard Quest is just annoying...what the hell does he know about aviation?

malaise

(268,930 posts)
39. I stopped watching CNN
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 09:49 PM
Mar 2014

The coverage is atrocious on steroids. It's an insult to the public's intelligence - on the level of National Enquirer.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
45. Maybe he's back on the pills
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 12:18 AM
Mar 2014

HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I'MMMMMMMMMMM RIChARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRD QUESSSSSSSSSSSSST

*makes stabbing motions*

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
32. If it took that southern arc and crashed, that's likely
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 09:29 PM
Mar 2014

but it isn't because no one wants to find it, it's because the southern Indian Ocean is very deep and the water often treacherous.

As long as they've ruled out a landing in Kazakhstan, and as long as no group has claimed responsibility for a hijacking, chances are it was some sort of catastrophic failure that wiped out the transponder and incapacitated the people in the cabin. That wild turn looks more and more like a last ditch attempt to find a runway fast.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
41. I agree with you.
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 10:13 PM
Mar 2014

I've said since day one the most likely scenario is something catastrophic happened and it either ditched into the ocean right away, or the pilots became incapacitated and the plane flew for awhile on autopilot before it fell into the ocean somewhere farther away. Now that we know about 'the turn' I agree, they were probably trying to find a runway right away but perhaps something happened after that that caused them to continue along the same trajectory until they ran out of gas and fell into the Indian ocean.

 

rumdude

(448 posts)
42. If it crashed into a remote and deep section of the ocean
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 10:21 PM
Mar 2014

and then sank, it simply may never be found.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
47. Probably not. But at least there's a place that's safe from the NSA.
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 12:35 AM
Mar 2014

We know that now.

While I do feel for the families, the simple truth is that sometimes we don't find out what happened to our loved ones. I fear this is one of those instances.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
48. It will be found but my take yrs to get it out of that deep area. IMO the problem is illegal loading
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 12:39 AM
Mar 2014

of li batteries. Someone in the ground crew or airport front office was looking the other way and paid well.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
50. It was The Rapture. The rest of us are now left behind.
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 01:07 AM
Mar 2014

Throw that one out for the RW crazies and see what they do!



Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
51. I heard from the austrailian end of the search...
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 05:16 AM
Mar 2014

It took 5 hours to get to the target area, once there they had two hours to search and then 5 hours back.

Why the US is not using it's surveillance drones is a mystery.

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