Russian TV: Jews caused Holocaust and are asking for another one with Ukraine support

[Cali_Democrat]

By David Edwards
Monday, March 24, 2014 6:03 EDT

A Russian state television host asserted recently that the Jewish people brought the Holocaust on themselves, and were hastening a second holocaust by supporting the Ukraine government instead of Russia.

In a YouTube clip uploaded on Sunday, a guest explains to Russia 24 presenter Evelyn Zakamskaya why Jews should not support the Ukraine government.

“It is strange that Jewish organizations – European and Russian – support Maidan,” the guest says, according to a translation provided by AmericaBlog. “They do not realize that they are, with their own hands, closer to the second Holocaust.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/24/russian-tv-host-jews-caused-holocaust-and-are-asking-for-another-one-with-ukraine-support/

[JustAnotherGen]

1. n/t

[frazzled]

2. I second the motion

Upside-down world doesn't just exist on Fox News, in the US

[MADem]

3. The assholishness just keeps on coming, doesn't it?

Nothing gets on state TV without Putin's imprimatur.

[NuclearDem]

4. Ew Putin got some anti-semitism in his homophobia.

[cthulu2016]

5. For Jews, the enemy of your enemy isn't your friend

Nazi Germany had no monopoly on anti-Semites.

The great enemy of Nazi Germany was Stalin's Russia. Both were pretty damn anti-Semitic, though Hitler more rigorously so.

Hitler invaded France, itself a very anti-Semitic nation.

How can this be?

Easy! World War II in Europe was not about Jews. It was about all kinds of stuff, not about pro-Jewish and anti-Jewish forces squaring off.

And all this "who's a nazi?" bullshit about Ukraine is folks on differing sides trying to play other folks for suckers, and is pretty damned insulting to Jews—assuming that Jews will predictably react whenever someone barks "Hitler!"

In terms of deep social attitudes, Russia and Ukraine are both anti-Semitic. Most of eastern Europe is anti-Semitic.

The deposed pro-Russia PM in Ukraine was an anti-Semite. The new people in charge are probably anti-Semites.

This kind of propaganda must be aimed at very simple-minded people.

[FarCenter]

9. The Pale of Settlement included most of Ukraine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement

Prior to WW I, this was where most pogroms occurred. Note that Jews were excluded from Kiev.

[MosheFeingold]

19. Great Post

People forget Stalin killed more of my tribe than Hitler.

And that the Ukrainians has some of the best Waffen SS troops.

Ukraine is a weird deal.

The protest, on one hand are good, but the de facto leaders of it are Svoboda, who are literal Nazis (not like Freepers, but actual Nazis with Nazi helmets, Nazi salutes, Nazi flags, white power flags, goose stepping Brown Shirts). The Right Sektor --- kind of a group of fringe parties --- is even worse.

It's a bit like Eqypt --- yeah, most people wanted a revolution, but the people who take power are the fanatic, organized, whack-a-dos.

Not sure there is a good side in this fight.

P.S. My knowledge is not book learning. I left Poland as a little kid and arrived back in France 3 days after D-Day wearing a nifty green uniform.

[stevenleser]

24. The most meaning full comment of this OP nt

[Behind the Aegis]

29. Chess pieces.

The "concern" for Jews is a crock...from both sides! The thing is most Jews are smart enough to know no matter what side we choose, it is the wrong one. The big difference, as far as I can tell, is the Ukrainian "Nazis" are just more open about it. It is nothing but simple-minded, low brow propaganda.

[quinnox]

6. To prevent any of the - "Damn that RT again!" responses, Russian tv is totally different from RT

Just trying to help.

[one_voice]

11. In what way?

not being snarky I went to google but

[quinnox]

13. Russian tv is geared towards the russian people, and is in the russian language

RT is geared more towards an international Western audience, and has a much more western "flavor" and topics. It also has a lot of English speaking hosts and hosts from other countries like America and the U.K., whereas I think Russian tv is all Russian news people. At least, that is my understanding.

[cthulu2016]

14. Presumably "Russian state TV" and RT are both state outlets

I agree that it would be ignorant to damn RT for something RT did not publish, but someone offering a broader critique of Russian state-driven news as a category would not be wrong to include both.

[quinnox]

17. yes, I think so. I'm just saying RT has a totally different focus than Russian tv

one is internal, the other external.

[Bluenorthwest]

28. Of course by 'focus' you mean a different agenda, spin, and objective

Two entities owned by the same government, each with a different target audience, domestic and foreign. Each has it's own objectives, agenda, target audience and editorial spin. Or a different 'focus' as you characterize it.

[one_voice]

15. They are both 'run'...

funded/an arm of the Russian gov?

At any rate, what this person said is despicable and ignorant--in the truest sense of the word.

Your thoughts on what the tv host said?

[quinnox]

18. yup, and our media is largely funded by a handful of gigantic corporations

who get to deliver their own messages, which, interestingly, often coincide with what the people in power want to be heard.

And I only commented in this thread to prevent any confusion or mix-up, that was the purpose of my post.

[Bluenorthwest]

20. One is the international outlet of State TV, the other the domestic.

Both have the same source of funding and the same hierarchy of control. That fact is not mitigated by the quality of our media. I think folks who are 'aware' that our media sucks who defend RT are chumps of the first and most foolish division.
Look at what you are trying to minimize here. Jews to blame for the Holocaust. Chumps of the first division.
Like folks who think FoxNews is balanced and CNN is the Commie News Network. Chumps.

[quinnox]

21. I'm not trying to minimize anything. I'm merely pointing out RT and Russian tv are not the same

[one_voice]

23. Since the first thing you thought to do...

was prevent a mix up between RT and Russian TV you actually did minimize what the tv host said.

Your agenda is obvious.

[quinnox]

25. That is not how I see it. At all. Maybe I thought what was said there was so out of bounds that I

wanted to make clear this was not from "RT".

[Bluenorthwest]

26. So you want to make sure folks know they'd only say that for the home crowd

and would avoid such themes in their exported programming intended for the away crowd?
How is that a positive thing?

[Tommy_Carcetti]

16. Well, one is funded by the Russian government....

....while the other is funded by the Russian government.

[Behind the Aegis]

32. LOL! Well put!

[Jefferson23]

33. The Russian government puts a lot of money into RT and they have a great deal of control

editorially. They have a terrible government, and Putin's style of communicating
with Russians goes far past the news cycle. They have state controlled texts
that push the stereotypes of gays to the children in schools and they have the
assistance of the Orthodox church which fuel their other bigoted agendas.

Anti-semitism is an issue in Russia, it's not like here in the US. It has become
better over time, but the population of Jews is small there and this latest
disgrace is not that surprising, all considered.

One thing Putin does as a leader that other governments don't do..he'll
say in effect, yea, there is hypocrisy in our government, but ALL of the
leaders do this..we are just honest about ours. I'm not kidding.

RT is not the kind of different you can completely trust..some Op Eds
which are reprinted elsewhere is another matter altogether.

On edit: It is important, I think, to remember that Pussy Riot support
thus far is small..hopefully that will change over time..they are awesome.

[Deep13]

7. dammit, not this again.

[47of74]

8. The stupid. It frigging burns.

[reformist2]

10. Maybe that story was an overture to the neonazis in the new Ukrainian government.

[HereSince1628]

12. Clearly slipping further down that slippery slope of intimidation...

Someone needs to quit channeling their inner Cheney.

[Jefferson23]

34. He likely admired Cheney, yes. n/t

[Takket]

22. Russia is giving North Korea a run for its money

[spanone]

27. so faux news has an outlet in russia?

[Tommy_Carcetti]

30. Sad as it may be, we have some DUers saying just about the same thing...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024673097

[Behind the Aegis]

31. Putin is against Nazis in Ukraine, but he loves them in Russia (scary vids at link)

The Russian government is now claiming that it had to invade Crimea, Ukraine in order to stop “Nazis” from taking over the country.

Russian UN ambassador Vitaly Churkin has been especially vocal about the Ukrainian Nazi threat, repeatedly lashing out at western governments for supporting what he calls “fascist thugs” in the country.

Russian propaganda organ RT (aka Russia Today) was more direct a week ago when, after expressing concern that the Ukrainians were taking down statues of Lenin that were still oddly ubiquitous in the country, “Exit Communism. Enter Nazism?”

It’s therefore more than a tad ironic that Russian President Vladimir Putin, while terribly concerned about Ukraine’s made-up “Nazi threat,” couldn’t care less about his own very real fascist thug problem at home.

LOTS more: http://americablog.com/2014/03/meet-vladimir-putin-favorite-neo-nazis-russia-crimea.html

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There are some graphic videos and clips at the link. It is also posted here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/101688867