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alp227

(32,013 posts)
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 01:02 AM Mar 2014

Risk of slide ‘unforeseen’? Warnings go back decades [Snoho County, WA]

By Ken Armstrong, Mike Carter and Mike Baker

Seattle Times staff reporters

Since the 1950s, geological reports on the hill that buckled during the weekend in Snohomish County have included pessimistic analyses and the occasional dire prediction. But no language seems more prescient than what appears in a 1999 report filed with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, warning of “the potential for a large catastrophic failure.”

That report was written by Daniel J. Miller and his wife, Lynne Rodgers Miller. When she saw the news of the mudslide Saturday, she knew right away where the land had given way. Her husband knew, too.

“We’ve known it would happen at some point,” he told The Seattle Times on Monday. “We just didn’t know when.”

Daniel Miller, a geomorph­ologist, also documented the hill’s landslide conditions in a report written in 1997 for the Washington Department of Ecology and the Tulalip Tribes. He knows the hill’s history, having collected reports and memos from the 1950s, 1960s, 1980s and 1990s. He has a half-dozen manila folders stuffed with maps, slides, models and drawings, all telling the story of an unstable hillside that has defied efforts to shore it up.

full: http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2023218573_mudslidewarningsxml.html

same was said about the levees before Katrina hit Louisiana!

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Risk of slide ‘unforeseen’? Warnings go back decades [Snoho County, WA] (Original Post) alp227 Mar 2014 OP
Big sigh for them all. 14 dead, 176 in the missing column as of now. Some will be buried, others uppityperson Mar 2014 #1
Listen to the geologists! Stargazer09 Mar 2014 #2
Science? What science? RobertEarl Mar 2014 #3
I've only taken a couple classes in geology XemaSab Mar 2014 #4
Some developer got the land cheap, made a killing. Literally... PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #5
Rachel's on it, of course rocktivity Mar 2014 #6

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
1. Big sigh for them all. 14 dead, 176 in the missing column as of now. Some will be buried, others
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 01:15 AM
Mar 2014

out of the area and just not in contact.

It will be something to see how all of this shakes down. So to speak. Dark week for too many.

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
2. Listen to the geologists!
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 01:54 AM
Mar 2014

They always say that what happened before will happen again.

Anyone who builds there after this needs to be held liable when another landslide hits.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
3. Science? What science?
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 02:15 AM
Mar 2014

If science tells you something you don't want to hear, or can't make a buck off of, you can just do the 3 monkey thing and wish it all away. But it will bite you on the ass, eventually.

The state should have moved these people away and made a park out of the place.

Of course, we all remember the Japanese warnings about Tsunamis and the monuments placed telling people not to build below that point.



XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
4. I've only taken a couple classes in geology
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 01:13 PM
Mar 2014

but the thing was OBVIOUSLY going to fail.

Like, OBVIOUSLY.

Like, how did people not notice that thing hanging over them and leave?

https://www.google.com/maps/@48.2832828,-121.8475027,1061m/data=!3m1!1e3

rocktivity

(44,573 posts)
6. Rachel's on it, of course
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 09:17 PM
Mar 2014

P.S. I'm thinking about a documentary I saw about New Orleans getting hit with a Category 3 hurricane eventually...


rocktivity

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