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fried eggs

(910 posts)
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 12:34 PM Mar 2014

To those who trust the FDA with regard to vaccines, do you trust them on everything else?

Do you trust their approval of weight loss drugs, psychiatric drugs, Monsanto, genetically modified foods, High Fructose Corn Syrup, artificial sweeteners like aspartame (which is used in many vaccines)?

For those who are skeptical about vaccines, are you skeptical of most other FDA decisions and approvals?

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To those who trust the FDA with regard to vaccines, do you trust them on everything else? (Original Post) fried eggs Mar 2014 OP
They're better than mercola or naturalnews...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #1
Oh FFS sharp_stick Mar 2014 #2
I don't have a plan fried eggs Mar 2014 #5
I trust the FDA more than I trust anonymous posters on a message board. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #3
Whooping cough just for starters... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #4
I trust my own fucking eyes NickB79 Mar 2014 #6
I put those entries on a genealogy website for my county, many families lost shraby Mar 2014 #17
"To those who trust the FDA with regard to vaccines" NCTraveler Mar 2014 #7
^^^This^^^ Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #9
Well said... SidDithers Mar 2014 #13
I trust the FDA far more than the purveyors MineralMan Mar 2014 #8
The FDA is not the sole organization Gman Mar 2014 #10
I trust my doctor to give me his/her unbiased, medical opinion Auggie Mar 2014 #11
It isn't a question of trust. Vaccines and drugs have to go through clinical trails lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #12
I think people who are anti-vaccination are like MicaelS Mar 2014 #14
I don't trust them. I trust science. jeff47 Mar 2014 #15
In general, the FDA does what it can with what is presented to it siligut Mar 2014 #16
I trust them to keep my food safe. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #18
Trust but verify. Motown_Johnny Mar 2014 #19
. gollygee Mar 2014 #20
To those who trust Playboy Bunnys with regard to vaccines, do you trust them on everything else? frylock Mar 2014 #21
Here's the thing, these vaccines are not new...I got them as a kid and that's quite a joeybee12 Mar 2014 #22

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
2. Oh FFS
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 12:37 PM
Mar 2014

I just love posted all or none statements to make an argument go boom before it even begins.

If you have a better plan to move forward on drug/vaccine safety it might be a good idea to post it.

fried eggs

(910 posts)
5. I don't have a plan
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 12:42 PM
Mar 2014

Just a suggestion. The FDA should strive to make the right decisions across the board, in all situations, no matter how much money is at stake. If an agency has a credibility problem in one area, it's hard for consumers to trust them in other areas.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
4. Whooping cough just for starters...
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 12:41 PM
Mar 2014
A study released Monday in the medical journal Pediatrics analyzed the outbreak pattern and tracked the number of children whose parents filed for “non-medical exemptions” from the state’s vaccination program. Non-medical exemptions are given to families whose children are well enough to tolerate the vaccine, but who refuse to administer it to them anyway for religious or other reasons.

The California Department of Health identified 39 statistically significant geographic clusters of families seeking non-medical exemptions and two major zones of whooping cough cases. According to the data, non-medical exemption families were 2.5 times more likely to also live in an outbreak zone.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/01/anti-vaccine-parents-caused-californias-lethal-whooping-cough-epidemic/

NickB79

(19,233 posts)
6. I trust my own fucking eyes
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 12:42 PM
Mar 2014

I live in an area with LOTS of old pre-1900 settlement cemeteries that I often walk through. They are FILLED with the graves of families, especially children, who all died within a few days to a few weeks of each other based on the tombstone dates.

Those weren't farm accidents that did them in.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
17. I put those entries on a genealogy website for my county, many families lost
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 01:40 PM
Mar 2014

most of their children within a 2 week period. I just can't imagine having a table at dinner time with 8 kids around it and the next week having only maybe 3.
I had one to put on where they came home from the cemetery after burying one child to find another dead from one of those childhood diseases.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
7. "To those who trust the FDA with regard to vaccines"
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 12:45 PM
Mar 2014

I think we trust vaccines because of science, not the FDA. Do you trust the science behind vaccines or are you more a Jenny type? I also think you know that. It just doesn't fit the picture you are trying to paint. I have found when someone posts and the first sentence is highly inaccurate, the point trying to be made normally follows suit.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
13. Well said...
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 01:00 PM
Mar 2014

I'm surprised the OP didn't also throw evil water fluoridation and the "dangers" of smart-meters into the mix.

Sid

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
8. I trust the FDA far more than the purveyors
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 12:49 PM
Mar 2014

of quackery or anonymous posters on the internet who ask loaded questions. How's that?

Now, I've answered your question, so how about answering mine?

Who do you trust for factual information about medications and the like?

Gman

(24,780 posts)
10. The FDA is not the sole organization
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 12:57 PM
Mar 2014

Endorsing vaccines. Like the entire civilized and even uncivilized world endorses vaccines. What does that have to do with genetically modified corn?

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
14. I think people who are anti-vaccination are like
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 01:02 PM
Mar 2014

Climate change deniers, or believers in Creationism that actually believe the Earth is really only 6,000 years old. That is what I think.

In other words, I don't trust a fucking thing anti-vaccination people say.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
15. I don't trust them. I trust science.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 01:08 PM
Mar 2014

And science shows vaccines work, and are safe.

Science also showed your evil boogeymen are safe, or showed them to be safe within their pre-release studies. The public at large is a much larger pool, and may reveal problems with drugs that pre-release studies do not show - if 1% of people react badly to a drug, you might not find it in a study with 1000 people.

You know what isn't science? Most of the people claiming those boogeymen are evil.

For example, anti-HFCS folks keep pointing to studies showing the effects of 100% fructose compared to 100% glucose. Guess what isn't 100% fructose? HFCS. Our sugar regulation system is triggered by glucose. When you feed subjects 100% fructose, it bypasses that system. HFCS does not bypass that system, because it is roughly 50% glucose, 50% fructose.

To show HFCS is evil, you need to compare it to sucrose (table sugar), because that's what it is replacing, and what it's most similar to. Otherwise you aren't saying anything about HFCS.

How about "artificial sweeteners like aspartame"? Let's roll back to the first evil artificial sweetener, saccharin. It was supposed to be evil because it caused bladder cancer. Turns out it does...in rats. Rats have a protein in their bladders that humans do not have. It's that protein that leads to cancer in rats in the presence of saccharin.

But at least in that case there was reasonable research showing a link. The "research" showing aspartame is dangerous is an example of how not to do research. I eagerly await the "research" showing Stevia is a toxic product of Satan when a new 'all-natural' sweetener comes out.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
16. In general, the FDA does what it can with what is presented to it
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 01:14 PM
Mar 2014

The FDA doesn't create vaccines or GMO foods, they look at the value vs the risk of what they are presented with. Vaccines help billions of people, I personally believe though, that a minority of people are harmed by them. GMO foods feed billions of people, again, some people don't tolerate them well, but Monsanto cares about money so much more than they care about that minority that they engage in criminal activity to suppress the truth.

I trust the FDA to look at the big picture. But yes, money is a factor and a minority of people who don't matter to the 1% are being hurt because of it.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
22. Here's the thing, these vaccines are not new...I got them as a kid and that's quite a
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 04:12 PM
Mar 2014

while ago...there never has been any link to problems like autism until idiots like Jenny McCarthy came along.

Do I trust them on everything? No, but these vaccines were tested and okayed during a time when you could put 100% faith in the FDA...scum like Bush and other corporate hacks are wearing away that trust, but it does not apply to vaccines.

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