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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:26 AM Mar 2014

I haven't seen any actual Obamabots here.

The spectrum seems to run from Obama is a "good president" or even "great president" to "fuck you Obama you piece of shit". Conspicuously absent is any talk of Obama being "the saviour" or "the One" or any over-the-top rhetoric comparable to calling him a piece of shit.

Could it be more obvious which side is off the deep end?

BTW. My opinion is that Obama is a pretty good president. I don't think he's great, but I can see the argument, after all he did prevent a second great depression, passed the most significant safety net legislation since LBJ, and saved the auto industry, for starters.

Sometimes I wonder how badly Abraham Lincoln would have been savaged by the anti-Obama crowd here:

I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And in as much as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. My understanding is that I can just let her alone.

Wow! Talk about a "third-way"!


Or how about FDR:
Whereas the successful prosecution of the war requires every possible protection against espionage and against sabotage to national-defense material, national-defense premises, and national-defense utilities as defined in Section 4, Act of April 20, 1918, 40 Stat. 533, as amended by the Act of November 30, 1940, 54 Stat. 1220, and the Act of August 21, 1941, 55 Stat. 655 (U.S.C., Title 50, Sec. 104);

Now, therefore, by virtue of the authority vested in me as President of the United States, and Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy, I hereby authorize and direct the Secretary of War, and the Military Commanders whom he may from time to time designate, whenever he or any designated Commander deems such action necessary or desirable, to prescribe military areas in such places and of such extent as he or the appropriate Military Commander may determine, from which any or all persons may be excluded, and with respect to which, the right of any person to enter, remain in, or leave shall be subject to whatever restrictions the Secretary of War or the appropriate Military Commander may impose in his discretion. The Secretary of War is hereby authorized to provide for residents of any such area who are excluded therefrom, such transportation, food, shelter, and other accommodations as may be necessary, in the judgment of the Secretary of War or the said Military Commander, and until other arrangements are made, to accomplish the purpose of this order. The designation of military areas in any region or locality shall supersede designations of prohibited and restricted areas by the Attorney General under the Proclamations of December 7 and 8, 1941, and shall supersede the responsibility and authority of the Attorney General under the said Proclamations in respect of such prohibited and restricted areas.

I hereby further authorize and direct the Secretary of War and the said Military Commanders to take such other steps as he or the appropriate Military Commander may deem advisable to enforce compliance with the restrictions applicable to each Military area hereinabove authorized to be designated, including the use of Federal troops and other Federal Agencies, with authority to accept assistance of state and local agencies.

Wow! And here I was worrying about the NSA and Gitmo!
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I haven't seen any actual Obamabots here. (Original Post) DanTex Mar 2014 OP
Another call-out. Feral Child Mar 2014 #1
I was calling out the whole anti-Obama movement here, not just one person. DanTex Mar 2014 #2
And yet the admin ended Meta Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #4
I'm not sure this is exactly meta. It's about anti-Obama sentiment here. DanTex Mar 2014 #5
Thanks. It's a good OP. You described the situation well. nt pnwmom Mar 2014 #12
There is No anti-Obama sentiment PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #23
FFS treestar Mar 2014 #31
I am not calling you anything PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #41
It is funny to watch who replies to a post made in general. Rex Mar 2014 #126
I know exactly what you mean Skittles Mar 2014 #330
You do every day treestar Mar 2014 #342
Of course alleged allies have always been treated more harshly than real opponents. A Simple Game Mar 2014 #69
I think Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. said something very similar... cheapdate Mar 2014 #283
Betrayal has always been treated more harshly than opposition by everyone. A Simple Game Mar 2014 #287
"...always...by everyone". cheapdate Mar 2014 #288
Betrayal is an absurd word to use here treestar Mar 2014 #348
You like to throw around the term "too personal" a lot Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #355
No, I do not make it a personal thing treestar Mar 2014 #357
You don't take it personal Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #358
What does that have to do with me? treestar Mar 2014 #380
What does that have to do with you? Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #381
can you really talk there? treestar Mar 2014 #344
You've nailed it. cheapdate Mar 2014 #282
Ahahaha!... SidDithers Mar 2014 #37
How would you describe "fuck you Obama you piece of shit" with 100+ recs? DanTex Mar 2014 #42
probably a few things going on PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #46
I don't blame that OP for being upset. But among the recs were posters who consistently pnwmom Mar 2014 #52
if he had lashed out at pharm companies treestar Mar 2014 #347
If only that were an isolated incident. DanTex Mar 2014 #64
"Some were probably trying to get a rise out of the BOG." WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #291
no effort was put into single payer treestar Mar 2014 #346
why don't you just let it go PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #372
I don't notice who I am replying to for the most part treestar Mar 2014 #379
Your first post in the thread claimed your OP was not about Pitt. Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #49
It's about the 100 recs of that post, pnwmom Mar 2014 #53
So a rec of support for a DUer with an ailing wife is subject to Meta style Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #106
Of course. They'll never let it go either. nt Union Scribe Mar 2014 #78
It's about more than just that one OP. DanTex Mar 2014 #82
Hard to follow what this is and is not 'about' considering the passive aggressive Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #114
I agree whole heartedly. cui bono Mar 2014 #182
What it's about: DanTex Mar 2014 #256
Yet another disingenuous complaint. cui bono Mar 2014 #181
YEP. Rex Mar 2014 #128
People for letting doctors do their job of healing seveneyes Mar 2014 #51
I Have No Use mrchips Mar 2014 #70
Welcome back to DU PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #83
and it was explained thoroughly how the problem had nothing to do with PBO BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2014 #92
and yet STILL no retraction.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #161
Good to see a longtime lurker posting! Rex Mar 2014 #130
Reports of My Demise... mrchips Mar 2014 #137
I thought I remembered a mrchips from DU1. Rex Mar 2014 #142
Thanks mrchips Mar 2014 #148
Totally, plus we try and make sure everyone knows about the latest GOP criminal activity. Rex Mar 2014 #157
Bemusing when we are guilty of the very thing we indict others for... LanternWaste Mar 2014 #158
Be Bemused mrchips Mar 2014 #171
He didn't call Obama "a piece of shit". cui bono Mar 2014 #183
My Response mrchips Mar 2014 #205
What was my attack on you exactly? cui bono Mar 2014 #221
My Mistake mrchips Mar 2014 #227
Apology accepted. Thanks for that. cui bono Mar 2014 #233
Piece-of-shit car salesman. OnyxCollie Mar 2014 #84
Piece of shit used care salesman, I believe it was. DanTex Mar 2014 #88
The piece-of-shit used car was a metaphor for the ACA. OnyxCollie Mar 2014 #96
An adventurous exercise in grammatical revisionism! DanTex Mar 2014 #110
The Chewbacca Defense. nt OnyxCollie Mar 2014 #118
I think you're actually completely wrong there. DirkGently Mar 2014 #292
"Mr President, you sold us a piece of shit used car", for one. DanTex Mar 2014 #294
But that foregoes "used car salesman," which seems DirkGently Mar 2014 #300
I don't think so. DanTex Mar 2014 #302
well then, for a writer he was piss poor at communicating then, wasn't he? Whisp Mar 2014 #113
I adore and worship Obama. Some people adore and worship Will Pitt. I'd like to hear Pitts lumpy Mar 2014 #272
Sorry computers gone nuts........ lumpy Mar 2014 #273
YES. The two stattements are very different. bvar22 Mar 2014 #141
No they aren't. Sorry, strange grammatical revisionism isn't going to get you guys out of this one. DanTex Mar 2014 #145
If you refuse to take responsibility, bvar22 Mar 2014 #169
+1 cui bono Mar 2014 #185
I'm not really interested in your challenge. DanTex Mar 2014 #268
this editor thanks you for making that distinction. grasswire Mar 2014 #174
Kiddo,you got the quote WRONG ! lumpy Mar 2014 #262
FFS, that was frustration at the limits of the ACA. Gormy Cuss Mar 2014 #129
This isn't just about Will Pitt's OP. DanTex Mar 2014 #135
It is about Pitt when you reference his OP. Gormy Cuss Mar 2014 #155
Plus the 100 people who recced it. And the people deluded enough to think that Obama DanTex Mar 2014 #193
You almost got the quote correct this time. OnyxCollie Mar 2014 #219
"Plus the 100 people who recced it." Gormy Cuss Mar 2014 #237
Reccing "FU Obama you piece of shit used car salesman" is being anti-Obama, yes. DanTex Mar 2014 #248
"obvious anti-Obama-ness on display" AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #332
I don't have much patience for FOX News, don't know about you. DanTex Mar 2014 #340
Nor do you have a sense of context AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #359
He has also written many things in favor fo the President Marrah_G Mar 2014 #188
Frustration... LanternWaste Mar 2014 #153
If you're going to quote something you should get it right. cui bono Mar 2014 #179
Actual quote: "Fuck you, Mr. President, you piece of shit used-car salesman." OnyxCollie Mar 2014 #195
Yup, as quoted in the OP. DanTex Mar 2014 #200
You edited the sentence. OnyxCollie Mar 2014 #202
Yes, I replaced "Mr President" with "Obama". I recommend you make a big fuss about it. DanTex Mar 2014 #208
You also left out part of the sentence. OnyxCollie Mar 2014 #209
Yes. I also left out other parts of the OP. You should make a big fuss about that also. DanTex Mar 2014 #213
Eats, Shoots & Leaves: The Zero Tolerance Approach to Punctuation WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #290
o good grief! Whisp Mar 2014 #91
Hello. PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #94
ah, that Bush furiner thing again. Whisp Mar 2014 #108
I do not think any of what you posted PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #111
you should make a post in ATA Whisp Mar 2014 #115
... SidDithers Mar 2014 #258
!!! Whisp Mar 2014 #259
EarlG's reply there was not the last time he had to defend 'furriners' at DU: freshwest Mar 2014 #312
FYI PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #316
NO. I linked the SINGLE POST from the THREAD he linked, which I printed here. Bye. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #327
Thanks for the link Sid! sheshe2 Mar 2014 #361
Xenophobia is an ugly thing...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #257
Are you a Xenophobe? Is so, that sucks to be you. PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #286
They are citizens of countries with single payer systems! treestar Mar 2014 #345
I am reading this thread and wheezing with laughter at those breaking into a sweat pretending Number23 Mar 2014 #280
bwahahaha! It was the Car! Whisp Mar 2014 #297
Smarmy to the bone. Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #301
MALARKEY! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #152
In your opinion, our Democratic elected officials are acting in accord with right wing agendas. lumpy Mar 2014 #269
Not all, but many. PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #284
Thanks for your post and for being a 'critical thinker'. Your quotes show how times and thinking lumpy Mar 2014 #10
There is no Anti-Obama movement Marrah_G Mar 2014 #28
This isn't about one person. 100+ people recced "fuck you Obama you piece of shit". DanTex Mar 2014 #35
What they recommended was the outrage over the parts of the ACA that sucks Marrah_G Mar 2014 #72
A good way to phrase that would be "part of the ACA sucks". DanTex Mar 2014 #79
Those of us that know Will, understand why he lashed out Marrah_G Mar 2014 #98
That's not what he said. You lose all credibilty for continuously posting false quotes. cui bono Mar 2014 #189
Yes, it is what he said. DanTex Mar 2014 #197
No it is not. If you think it is then go find it and post a link. cui bono Mar 2014 #203
Actual quote: "Fuck you, Mr. President, you piece of shit used-car salesman." OnyxCollie Mar 2014 #199
Did they rec the title... AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #333
Maybe they recced the author without even reading any of the content. DanTex Mar 2014 #339
All 100+ of them? AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #360
Hey, you're the one making excuses for them. DanTex Mar 2014 #363
Making excuses for who? AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #364
The people who recced that post. DanTex Mar 2014 #365
I recced it, if I remember right AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #366
"Hypersensitive" now! Methinks you've insulted people in the internet before! DanTex Mar 2014 #367
Hypersensitivity and the internet AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #371
There are some people here who've been angry with Obama ever since he won election. pnwmom Mar 2014 #57
Well when one of a Dem president's first actions is to firmy install Wall Street cui bono Mar 2014 #191
Thanks for so effectively proving my point. Anti-Obama sentiment here is real and longstanding. pnwmom Mar 2014 #244
And legitimate AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #265
I did no such thing. I'm not anti-Obama. I'm anti-Wall Street. cui bono Mar 2014 #281
Can't you be more specific about the corporate 'bs' Clinton will use to move us to the right or lumpy Mar 2014 #276
there is no "anti-Obama movement" here.. frylock Mar 2014 #59
It's Used to Dismiss Legitimate Criticisms or Concerns fascisthunter Mar 2014 #131
of course it is.. frylock Mar 2014 #134
some of these posters are long past legitimate criticism and "concern" treestar Mar 2014 #350
anti-Obama means you know the man is human Skittles Mar 2014 #238
try convincing some people around here of that frylock Mar 2014 #250
like I said, just put them on Ignore Skittles Mar 2014 #263
It's not an "anti-Obama" movement. Maedhros Mar 2014 #102
There's no anti-Obama movement here. cui bono Mar 2014 #173
Anti-Third Way, dude WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #187
First he jukes left, then he jukes right...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #11
Another realistic OP with not a single untrue word, pnwmom Mar 2014 #16
+1..nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #18
Like that would happen! Rex Mar 2014 #144
Oh boo hoo Cha Mar 2014 #308
It's amazing what technology can do. nt el_bryanto Mar 2014 #3
What you're doing is no better than what other people do here. LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #6
What is exaggerated in the OP? Can you point to anything the OP said that pnwmom Mar 2014 #7
Well, he claims that an "Obamabot" can only be someone who LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #21
Talk about burying your head in the sand treestar Mar 2014 #26
I didn't say "anti-Obama movement" in my OP. I said "anti-Obama crowd". DanTex Mar 2014 #32
so... G_j Mar 2014 #45
Oh, they'll put fucking words in your mouth. Cha Mar 2014 #335
No, I don't think the post is flame bait. I think it's a even-handed attempt to discuss a problem. pnwmom Mar 2014 #48
Mis-quoted Pitt. cui bono Mar 2014 #192
"Obamabot" implies the person is robotic, brainless and automatic, which is slur. pnwmom Mar 2014 #241
Why I became an "Obamabot" WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #295
Because Democrats prefer to think for themselves karend62 Mar 2014 #303
Because none of the people here who are accused of being Obamabots fit your description. pnwmom Mar 2014 #304
It's about supporting Obama policies dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #307
If only I were exaggerating... DanTex Mar 2014 #9
You are making flame bait out of the truth. Do you have anything to say that is of any value? lumpy Mar 2014 #19
Here's a little thought for you. Do you realize that your "truth" might LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #27
hear, hear flamingdem Mar 2014 #8
DU rec... SidDithers Mar 2014 #13
K & R pnwmom Mar 2014 #14
you're seeing what you want to see. there are people here who worship and adore this president cali Mar 2014 #15
I believe you are the one seeing what you want to see. DanTex Mar 2014 #17
You just aren't looking in the right places Demeter Mar 2014 #34
Yeah, I'm probably looking in the wrong places for Bigfoot and UFOs also. DanTex Mar 2014 #39
I see demonstrably unsupportable sophistry, contradictions and fallacies here all the time. Hissyspit Mar 2014 #38
What part is false? DanTex Mar 2014 #40
"If you have anything comparable to 100+ recs...I would love to see it. cui bono Mar 2014 #194
LOL. Cleverly avoiding any actual links to the supposed offensive material. DanTex Mar 2014 #198
How clever is it to repost enough of the quote and causing people to post the correct quote cui bono Mar 2014 #212
Yes, I replaced "Mr President" with "Obama". You're not the first person to get outraged about that DanTex Mar 2014 #214
That's where you think the error is? The real error has been pointed out in this thread already cui bono Mar 2014 #216
Actually, I think there's no error. DanTex Mar 2014 #220
Thank you for proving how completely disingenuous you are. n/t cui bono Mar 2014 #223
Always a good time! Let me know when you come up with that link... DanTex Mar 2014 #225
I gave you a link twice. This post of yours is yet another example of your disingenuous nature. cui bono Mar 2014 #236
You linked to BOG, not a post. That is equivalent to linking to DU and saying "it's in there"! DanTex Mar 2014 #246
The BOG doesn't not allow the least bit of criticism of Obama in there and discriminates cui bono Mar 2014 #285
Here's the link. OnyxCollie Mar 2014 #215
Yes, I replaced "Mr President" with "Obama". You got me. DanTex Mar 2014 #218
Fabricating quotes is symptomatic of a desperate agenda. OnyxCollie Mar 2014 #222
Yes, that would be relevant if I had fabricated a quote. Fortunately, I didn't. DanTex Mar 2014 #224
Will Pitt's my hero now? OnyxCollie Mar 2014 #226
Based on the absurd lengths you will go to defend that quote, it's the only explanation. DanTex Mar 2014 #228
Well, I haven't written an OP about it. OnyxCollie Mar 2014 #230
Good point! You said something true! I knew you had it in you! DanTex Mar 2014 #231
That's really lame. OnyxCollie Mar 2014 #235
Which BOG post were you referring to, cui? sheshe2 Mar 2014 #368
You know I was referring to the BOG itself. That whole group is just a lovefest. cui bono Mar 2014 #378
Ridiculous. Time to use a little reason. What is your reason for continuing this smut? lumpy Mar 2014 #30
Continuing what smut? The smut of the OP? You thanked Dan for the OP. cui bono Mar 2014 #207
I was responding to Cali's senseless smutty post and now I'm responding to yours. lumpy Mar 2014 #254
All I know is that some people love stirring the pot without reason by claiming that people here lumpy Mar 2014 #267
Meta!!!!! Iggo Mar 2014 #20
I don't see them either Marrah_G Mar 2014 #22
Thread win dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #310
Excellent, thank you treestar Mar 2014 #24
I don't get the impression he "knows the whole scene down there in DC" at all. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #298
K & R. Especially hilarious are the stalwart 4th Amendment defenders who are FDR Democrats! FSogol Mar 2014 #25
good point. SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2014 #105
I like Nutella. progressoid Mar 2014 #29
We need meta nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #33
I totally agree n/t albino65 Mar 2014 #36
Go ahead and call me an Obamabot. justgamma Mar 2014 #43
Precisely! BlueCaliDem Mar 2014 #234
I doubt that dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #311
Sorry, that was badly worded. justgamma Mar 2014 #314
Thanks for your response dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #319
Totally agree with you on most of this. justgamma Mar 2014 #329
You think Obama has just been pretty good, not great, and then use Lincoln and FDR as examples, two quinnox Mar 2014 #44
I think you missed the points of the examples. DanTex Mar 2014 #47
Ok, but trying to impose modern understanding and standards on these past presidents is kind of quinnox Mar 2014 #54
Umm, there were plenty of people at the time that saw that these two things were wrong. DanTex Mar 2014 #60
Well, I think Obama has been fairly mediocre as a president. And it has nothing to do with him not quinnox Mar 2014 #63
+1 cui bono Mar 2014 #210
I think you make a much better point here than the OP. idendoit Mar 2014 #279
You mean like the FDR, LBJ and bully pulpit references? BklnDem75 Mar 2014 #165
A good president with "great" potential wyldwolf Mar 2014 #50
I know a good optometrist. Common Sense Party Mar 2014 #55
I know a good shrink lumpy Mar 2014 #270
He might need that, too. nt Common Sense Party Mar 2014 #271
So? Cha Mar 2014 #336
¿Y? Common Sense Party Mar 2014 #352
Lol - there are endless love threads about the man... polichick Mar 2014 #56
And the problem with thinking he's a cool guy is ________? DanTex Mar 2014 #61
As I said, whatever - no "problem" but don't claim there are no "Obamabots" here. polichick Mar 2014 #62
Thinking he's a cool guy doesn't make anyone an "Obamabot". DanTex Mar 2014 #65
When people can't see around that, they are subject to the... polichick Mar 2014 #66
But people can see around that. DanTex Mar 2014 #67
You're a riot. polichick Mar 2014 #71
Apparently rationality is riotous to the anti-Obama crowd. DanTex Mar 2014 #75
You just outed yourself. polichick Mar 2014 #76
I was never trying to hide my rationality. DanTex Mar 2014 #80
"Rationality" has nothing to do with it. Think again. polichick Mar 2014 #81
I've been thinking the whole time. DanTex Mar 2014 #86
And yet you can't figure out how you've outed yourself. polichick Mar 2014 #89
Yay! I was right! No evidence from you! Just like I thought! DanTex Mar 2014 #93
Keep thinking - maybe you'll figure it out eventually. polichick Mar 2014 #95
You could stand to drop the snotty tone. nt Union Scribe Mar 2014 #101
That's a two way street BklnDem75 Mar 2014 #167
I think what is meant is you are not an Obama-hater, Whisp Mar 2014 #123
Lately this place gives me a headache above my left eye. Puglover Mar 2014 #58
"Basically we all vote the same." Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #77
Is This Some Jedi Mind Trick? fascisthunter Mar 2014 #68
Chalk up another "missed the point". DanTex Mar 2014 #74
Nah, I get Your Point as to Why you used FDR and Lincoln fascisthunter Mar 2014 #124
+ approximately 1 trillion LondonReign2 Mar 2014 #178
+2 or 3 trillion djean111 Mar 2014 #376
I don't see any Obamabots here Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #73
You missed me, then. LOL. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #318
Shhhhhh JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #343
Oh nooos! sheshe2 Mar 2014 #369
Their gonna git ya sheshe! JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #375
... sheshe2 Mar 2014 #370
Odd spectrum Android3.14 Mar 2014 #85
They're not hard to spot. JoeyT Mar 2014 #87
The difference being that "Obama is a piece of shit" was actually posted and highly recced DanTex Mar 2014 #90
Why do you keep calling Obama a piece of shit? OnyxCollie Mar 2014 #117
Well, it's in quotes. You see, that means it's not actually me saying it... DanTex Mar 2014 #120
Ellipses are cool! OnyxCollie Mar 2014 #121
You need to master quotations before skipping to the next chapter. Baby steps. You'll get there! DanTex Mar 2014 #136
Keep working at message control. OnyxCollie Mar 2014 #138
This message was self-deleted by its author bobduca Mar 2014 #320
It is you actually saying it RobertEarl Mar 2014 #146
The quote is from WillPitt's OP from a week or two ago. DanTex Mar 2014 #147
No. It is not RobertEarl Mar 2014 #164
I guess you are not an Rah Rah guy for Obama just a RahRah guy for Will Pitt. lumpy Mar 2014 #260
Actual quote: "Fuck you, Mr. President, you piece of shit used-car salesman." OnyxCollie Mar 2014 #166
I hate seeing it repeated RobertEarl Mar 2014 #168
yes, because they are captured on google... grasswire Mar 2014 #176
You should get a time-out for this repeated, intentional misquoting. /nt Marr Mar 2014 #331
Presumably I've been alerted on several times by now. DanTex Mar 2014 #338
Ah horseshit. JoeyT Mar 2014 #251
Oh yeah, the ol corporate mediawhores' stand by.. "both sides do".. just ain't happening. Cha Mar 2014 #309
Nailed it! fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #97
If Obama can pull off another Game-Changer like the ACA, then he might well AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #99
K & R berni_mccoy Mar 2014 #100
During the Bush years, I saw the same exact type of thing... grasswire Mar 2014 #132
It doesn't surprise me that you and others like you here don't see the hypocrisy of your statement berni_mccoy Mar 2014 #140
what do you think about the recent comparison... grasswire Mar 2014 #156
It doesn't matter what I think, what matters is what is being done. berni_mccoy Mar 2014 #160
Even if what I say is true? grasswire Mar 2014 #162
Are you saying what you said isn't true? Did you read my response? berni_mccoy Mar 2014 #172
gibberish grasswire Mar 2014 #175
Yes, exactly what I thought of your response. berni_mccoy Mar 2014 #184
No cult of personality here DesMoinesDem Mar 2014 #103
Yeah, that's pretty horrible. Pictures of the president. *shudders* DanTex Mar 2014 #119
Yeah, just pictures LondonReign2 Mar 2014 #180
Hey, Thanks for promoting my threads!!!!!! sheshe2 Mar 2014 #373
I have three of the worst on ignore. Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2014 #104
Very true. fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #116
About using the term O____B__ here at DU. peace13 Mar 2014 #107
Let me know when you subtract from your donation so I can be sure increase mine to offset it corkhead Mar 2014 #122
and being called the trolls! treestar Mar 2014 #351
Yup... peace13 Mar 2014 #383
One more of the daily divisive, flambait OPs whining about DU. Sheesh. rhett o rick Mar 2014 #109
I see it more as badly done attempt at message control nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #150
As a sometimes harsh critic of Obama, I say overall a very good op. nt. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #112
If you don't see them, you aren't looking. Gormy Cuss Mar 2014 #125
That simply nails down the truth. Vattel Mar 2014 #151
There has always been a right/left divide on DU. Establishment vs Anti-establishment. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #127
I think the messiah, savior, and one rhetoric comes from the tea party. Gore1FL Mar 2014 #133
Bless your heart. SaveOurDemocracy Mar 2014 #139
I can see why you cannot detect them. Rex Mar 2014 #143
If I were an "Obamabot," I'd probably Rec this thread. 1000words Mar 2014 #149
If the most, and only, important thing about Snowden's revelation of NSA overreach is that djean111 Mar 2014 #154
Bullseye. That is one way to tell, if everything is personalized to Obama, whatever the issue quinnox Mar 2014 #159
Lol. You guys are hilarious! Solomon Mar 2014 #190
Then you are really not paying attention, PM me, I will give you names! nt Logical Mar 2014 #163
...^ that 840high Mar 2014 #170
A link would do fine. DanTex Mar 2014 #204
Then you haven't opened your eyes while being on a DU page cui bono Mar 2014 #177
Funny, with all the sound and fury about these Obamabots, no links to support any of it. DanTex Mar 2014 #206
I gave you a link in anther reply. Here you go: cui bono Mar 2014 #217
I for one have made a pledge to myself... revmclaren Mar 2014 #186
You should just save time and put myself and the others on ignore. Marrah_G Mar 2014 #196
LOL ... No response for you! 1000words Mar 2014 #247
Please...please....PLEASE!!!! bvar22 Mar 2014 #249
Um, this isn't nonpartisanunderground.com. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #296
+1. Tired of the contempt, myself. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #321
Drains a person... revmclaren Mar 2014 #325
This thread inspired me to rec Will Pitt's thread Bjorn Against Mar 2014 #201
you are a good soul nt grasswire Mar 2014 #211
I recced it, too. nt OnyxCollie Mar 2014 #232
Will Pitt has taken a pretty good beating for that post Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #242
Beating. It was the highest reced post that week! nt Logical Mar 2014 #274
Gosh now i remember why PLONK bobduca Mar 2014 #305
Now if you would only remember to use it.nt Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #341
awww you swarm so cutely! bobduca Mar 2014 #349
You're a busy little worker bee yourself. Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #356
If by "good beating" Union Scribe Mar 2014 #362
Except the "Obamabots" were the ones who gave Will the most good advice CJCRANE Mar 2014 #245
The posters who were trying to help him also let it be known that they didn't condone Cha Mar 2014 #334
You're not looking hard enough. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #229
I don't see them because I have them on Ignore Skittles Mar 2014 #239
I would ignore them, but... Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #240
Hi Skittles! mvd Mar 2014 #243
well, see, that's how Democrats with critical thinking skills see things Skittles Mar 2014 #264
There is no doubt there are Republicans posing as DUers in here. Keep your eyes open Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #252
You must've seen this gem already: Jamaal510 Mar 2014 #253
DU is currently riddled with GOPers and Naderites pretending to be libs. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #255
Just make sure you dont lump in the wrong people with them Marrah_G Mar 2014 #261
IF there is any confusion (and I'm not entirely sure when and where) it is because Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #266
Apparently now Obama swerves to the right on positions? Do you have any idea what it takes to lumpy Mar 2014 #275
Yes he is to the right on alot of issues that have been important for a long time on here Marrah_G Mar 2014 #278
Classic GOP technique since the CREEP - campaign to re-elect the president - Nixon. They have never freshwest Mar 2014 #337
I read it. Republicans are the sickest assholes that ever lived. Seriously. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #377
Put into context, I think, neither of these speeches is surprising. idendoit Mar 2014 #277
During the Lincoln-Douglas debates (1858), Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #382
So far as I know, Lincoln published the texts from the debates in a book. idendoit Mar 2014 #384
Well, you didn't commit the ultimate sin of saying that Nader bluestate10 Mar 2014 #289
All the peeps running around finding Obamabots under every bed ucrdem Mar 2014 #293
In all the excitement of laughter I forgot to K&R this earlier. K&R! Whisp Mar 2014 #299
no you weren't bobduca Mar 2014 #306
Dude, come on. n/t Skip Intro Mar 2014 #313
You should've posted FDR's sentiment about the Native Americans. joshcryer Mar 2014 #315
Obamabot reporting for duty! Been called one since 2008 online. (Warning: Obama pictures!) freshwest Mar 2014 #317
"Dirty Fucking Hippies".. "Obamabot" we own them, fresh. Wait for it.. Obamabots coming Cha Mar 2014 #323
Yes, those names and a lot more! Beware, we's acoming for ya! Muahaha! freshwest Mar 2014 #324
Good job, DanTex.. thank you. Cha Mar 2014 #322
I recommended this OP. NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #326
So well written.. I wish I could Cha Mar 2014 #328
If you haven't seen any Obamabots here area51 Mar 2014 #353
Who will be next, when will it be? nt pecwae Mar 2014 #354
Well done, DanTex. sheshe2 Mar 2014 #374
 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
23. There is No anti-Obama sentiment
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:11 AM
Mar 2014

There are anti-right-winger, anti-corporate, pro government accountability, etc, etc here.

When one of our (ie Democratic) elected officials act counter to those sentiments they are typically called out for it. They are typically treated harsher than repukes because they are supposed to act in opposition to right wing agendas. People feel betrayed.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
31. FFS
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:18 AM
Mar 2014

Really, please. No, we just aren't that extreme. You are calling us right wingers, pro-corpoate(whatever that is) and against government accountability, and trying to hide behind idealism, which causes you to sound really judgmental. You reserve the right to judge your alleged allies more harshly than your real opponents? Politics doesn't allow for this. You have to make coalitions with the impure. If you don't you stand on the sidelines judging and feeling holier than others, but getting nowhere.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
41. I am not calling you anything
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:28 AM
Mar 2014

No where in my post did I say anything such as you claim.

Also, I am not a politician. I do not "have to make coalitions with the impure." I am here to speak my personal views. I vote Democratic because Democratic politicians typically tack closer to my views than Republicans in this dual party system we have today.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
126. It is funny to watch who replies to a post made in general.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:03 PM
Mar 2014

Happens to me all the time, I think it is a lot of projection on their part.

Skittles

(152,918 posts)
330. I know exactly what you mean
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:12 AM
Mar 2014

it very much shows where they are coming from and I have to say, paranoia is a factor

treestar

(82,383 posts)
342. You do every day
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:36 AM
Mar 2014

You don't have to make agreements with anybody? You just do whatever you want? No.

And you will never get anyone pure in office. Until you are there yourself, in which case, you may find it doesn't mean you get everything you want. You would have to compromise.

That's the idea of living with other people. You have to compromise and can not get everything you want.

That's why we are not in a state of perpetual close warfare with other people around us.

And you certainly imply people are "pro corporate" or whatever if they don't agree that constant bashing of Democrats is what will bring in the world as you want it to be.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
69. Of course alleged allies have always been treated more harshly than real opponents.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:06 PM
Mar 2014

Real opponents state their objectives which usually are counter to your own, that is what makes them your opponent. Alleged allies state objectives that for the most part are the same as yours, that is what makes them allies.

When alleged allies gain confidence within a community by stating objectives in common with the community and then have actions that are the complete opposite of their stated objectives that makes them a traitor, traitors have always been treated worse than declared enemies, always have and always will be.

You know, like the conservative branch of DU treats the liberal branch of DU worse than the Republicans. Like how the conservative branch of DU blames every election loss on liberals instead of conservatives or the poor quality of the candidate running for office.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
283. I think Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. said something very similar...
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:06 PM
Mar 2014

about the need to always recognize betrayal and punish it severely. I think that's why he was so successful in building a movement.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
287. Betrayal has always been treated more harshly than opposition by everyone.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:13 PM
Mar 2014

And usually much more swiftly.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
288. "...always...by everyone".
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:21 PM
Mar 2014

Last edited Wed Mar 26, 2014, 09:48 PM - Edit history (1)

There are few universal principles of human behavior and that is not one of them.

As I said earlier, serious people understand that coalitions and alliances are absolutely necessary for any real progress. That doesn't mean abandoning principles but it does mean that disagreements must be handled respectfully. Tantrums and meltdowns toward prospective allies are an impediment to progress.

People choose not to burn bridges for lots of reasons. People choose to overlook or forgive for lots of reasons.

You might act that way "always" but some people don't.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
348. Betrayal is an absurd word to use here
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 09:10 AM
Mar 2014

Just making it too personal. No politician gets elected by one person.

I really don't think every elected official is there to do my bidding. I know they can't, even if I were that egotistical.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
357. No, I do not make it a personal thing
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 10:08 AM
Mar 2014

I have a realistic view. No politician is going to do 100% what I want and I never claimed to be betrayed by any public figure.

You can't claim to be betrayed without admitting you are being emotional about it.

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
358. You don't take it personal
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 10:30 AM
Mar 2014

Yet you appear multiple times on all of these threads wailing and gnashing your teeth over what? Insults to Obama? The Pures (TM)? What?

And you have the nerve to lecture others on taking things "too personal"

treestar

(82,383 posts)
380. What does that have to do with me?
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:59 PM
Mar 2014

And who are you to limit how many times I can post?

Can you respond to the point? No, you're the one making it personal. I haven't bothered to count your posts. Am I spoiling the thread for you by bringing in some logic which destroys your house of cards?

People claiming they have been "betrayed" are being overly emotional about a politician. It makes them look childish.

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
381. What does that have to do with you?
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:34 PM
Mar 2014

You take any attack on the President personally. You are over emotional when it comes to President Obama.

You are free to post as much as you want. I would just think twice before accusing others of taking things personally.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
344. can you really talk there?
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 09:01 AM
Mar 2014

if the "conservative" branch blames the liberals, then the "liberals" certainly blame the conservative branch and attack them for everything not being enough for them.

It is the "liberals" who started complaining as their mode of operation. Do they really think the "conservatives" are going to jump and get right on it. Like they are their servants?

You really have missed the terms. Polls show liberals are mostly "conservatives" in your view.

And your second paragraph never really happened. It's the US government, not fiat power. The purist liberals cannot get elected, probably because they are too good for that.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
282. You've nailed it.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:01 PM
Mar 2014

Serious people understand that coalitions and alliances are absolutely necessary for any real progress. That doesn't mean abandoning principles but it does mean that disagreements must be handled respectfully. Tantrums and meltdowns toward prospective allies are an impediment to progress.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
42. How would you describe "fuck you Obama you piece of shit" with 100+ recs?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:28 AM
Mar 2014

If not anti-Obama sentiment?

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
46. probably a few things going on
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:36 AM
Mar 2014

Some were probably trying to support the OP during a difficult time.
Some were probably moles or socks.
Some probably do not approve of the ACA.
Some probably feel betrayed that no effort was put towards single payer and/or Medicare for all.

Honestly, I did not follow that drama much. In my opinion, the OP was very distressed about a situation that they felt they had no or very little control over. This situation could result in severely bad, life altering results. I do not live in the posters head, so I can not understand what they were thinking at the time. It is all a biased guess based on what I/you/others think the OP was thinking.

pnwmom

(108,915 posts)
52. I don't blame that OP for being upset. But among the recs were posters who consistently
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:42 AM
Mar 2014

denigrate Obama on DU for things he has no control over -- such as actions by the Senate, or even the House.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
347. if he had lashed out at pharm companies
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 09:08 AM
Mar 2014

he'd have gotten a lot more sympathy.

Lashing out at the President was just ridiculous.

The President is not personal servant of me, so far as I am aware. When things go wrong, he's not the first person I think of. That, IMO, is weird.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
64. If only that were an isolated incident.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:57 AM
Mar 2014

We all have problems in our lives. Somehow, those of us that aren't FOX News anchors manage to not blame all of them on Obama.

The fact that people can't control their emotions enough to avoid saying things like "fuck you Obama you piece of shit" in a way proves my point. These are not the words of a rational person objectively examining reality.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
346. no effort was put into single payer
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 09:07 AM
Mar 2014

whine, whine, whine. Effort would be put into it when congress will have some chance of approving it. Elect that congress rather than whining that it wasn't there at the time.

useless effort is not effort. effort will be put into single payer when you quit holding people's feet to the fire for not doing the impossible. oh you are so betrayed you poor victims and there is nothing you can do about it until wait until effort is put in by others.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
372. why don't you just let it go
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:54 AM
Mar 2014

3 replies to me within this one thread overnight? 2 of which were sub-threads that you were not a part of before your interjection.

Imo your ideals in regards to the subjects you are discussing are not worth compromising for.

You can quit spamming me.

3rd way is nothing more than Republican trying to pass itself off as a Democratic.

eom

treestar

(82,383 posts)
379. I don't notice who I am replying to for the most part
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:53 PM
Mar 2014

I am inspired to reply only by the content of the post.

You must be saying a lot of silly things. I am a Democrat, thank you, and will continue to support that party and not wait until things are given.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
106. So a rec of support for a DUer with an ailing wife is subject to Meta style
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:35 PM
Mar 2014

whines from folks who feel they should control the actions of others? How does that make it better? McCarthist bullshit.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
82. It's about more than just that one OP.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:14 PM
Mar 2014

But 100+ recs for "fuck you you piece of shit" is pretty enlightening about who has lost their head.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
114. Hard to follow what this is and is not 'about' considering the passive aggressive
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:45 PM
Mar 2014

and craven nature of your rhetoric. I think it is pathetic to abuse a man whose family is in peril. I have literally heard priests curse God in such circumstances. Not sure why you are so willing to abuse a person who was hurting, but I would never associate myself with what you folks are doing on DU. I was raised differently. This is why while I have worked for and voted for Obama in 4 elections primaries and generals, I have never much cared for the culture around those on DU who claim they own the rights to the man. I like Obama but there are many here who co-opt him as a rhetorical device that I do not much care for. Comprehend? Obama would not do what you are doing here, thus what you are doing does not support him, his agenda, his ethics nor his personal style. It's not support. It is a misuse of a good politician to attack a good Democrat for your own pleasure, shits and giggles.
That's what I think.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
182. I agree whole heartedly.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:47 PM
Mar 2014

Obama would be ashamed at the manner in which he is "supported" here.

Not to mention all that is being accomplished by this knee jerk defense of all things Obama is divisiveness and a detraction from the issues that need discussing.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
256. What it's about:
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:07 PM
Mar 2014

People who go out of the way to find ways to attack Obama in both stupid and over-the-top ways. Saying "FU Obama" about ACA, especially as a knee-jerk reaction before doing research, this is what I expect from FOX, not DU. Insisting that we'd have a more than an infinitesmal chance at single payer if not for Obama is idiotic.

And on the other hand, people claiming that DU is infested with others who mindlessly defend Obama no matter what, something I've seen no evidence of. And, oddly enough, despite plenty of people responding that it's all over DU, there have been zero links to such posts presented to me. The closest is a thread of pictures of Obama. Wow, on one hand, people proudly looking at pictures of a Democratic president, who, let's be honest, has a pretty photogenic family. And on the other, FU Obama you POS.

Like I said, it's pretty clear which side is off the deep end.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
181. Yet another disingenuous complaint.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:45 PM
Mar 2014

That's really what you think that OP was about?

First of all that's not what he said. Secondly, that's not what the post was about.

But you have managed to take it personally - as do all the "Obamabots" (your term) that you claim do not exist - and have gotten all emotional about it so that it is clouding your reasoning skills. You are making it all about that one line and completely disregarding the point of the post.

That kind of reaction and the fact that people just can't let this go and are actively trying to get WP banned about it is "pretty enlightening about who has lost their head."

 

mrchips

(97 posts)
70. I Have No Use
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:06 PM
Mar 2014

For those who set fire to their own house to show just how pure they are. When you have one party clearly standing up and declaring itself to be the enemy of the people, I don't have time to put up with nonsense about a president attempting to overcome that enemy. This president is a hell of a lot smarter than the idiot who posted "fuck you Obama". We are at war against a hateful bunch of bigots. If you are not prepared to stand up for the one party that has since the 60's been fighting for social justice, then do your country a favor and just leave the battlefield. And you can take your 100 sycophants with you. Criticizing the the president or his administration is one thing. Calling him a piece of shit is pathetic garbage. To that poster I would say "fuck you!"

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
92. and it was explained thoroughly how the problem had nothing to do with PBO
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:21 PM
Mar 2014

Yet later, the poster was able to resolve the problem, on advice from DU'ers. But still maintained his excessive destructive words.


Reputations shouldn't precede Democratic unity.

 

mrchips

(97 posts)
137. Reports of My Demise...
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:18 PM
Mar 2014

I have posted more recently. And some of those posts were in response to obnoxious self-aggrandizing purists.

 

mrchips

(97 posts)
148. Thanks
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:41 PM
Mar 2014

I pay close attention to DU. And frequently share items here to spread the word that rethuglicans are all about destroying the country. This is a useful site in the march to establish a more just society.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
157. Totally, plus we try and make sure everyone knows about the latest GOP criminal activity.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:51 PM
Mar 2014

I'm still waiting for the Tea Party to pay back the 24 billion the wasted from the shutdown of Congress...and they want to do it again!

We have to stop the GOP, every second they are in office is another second of abuse.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
158. Bemusing when we are guilty of the very thing we indict others for...
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:52 PM
Mar 2014

Calling him a piece of shit is pathetic garbage. To that poster I would say "fuck you!""

Bemusing when we are guilty of the very thing we indict others for...


However, I do realize a distinction without a difference will most certainly be forthcoming in order to illustrate that you're not in fact, holding others to a higher standard than you hold yourself...

 

mrchips

(97 posts)
171. Be Bemused
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:18 PM
Mar 2014

I make all kinds of mistakes. However, to hear an alleged progressive insist on saying "fuck you" to the president and calling the president "a piece of shit" entitles the poster to a like response. Unlike some posters on this site, I do not claim to be morally superior. I get pissed. I don't lie back and sigh that that poor misguided soul is using inappropriate language. Tsk tsk. I find people who insist that the president is comparable to excrement obnoxious and despicable. I am not about to turn my cheek. Maybe you are a saint I am not. We are at war with a party that is racist, homophobic, mysogynistic, and bigoted. I am not impressed with fraggers.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
183. He didn't call Obama "a piece of shit".
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:50 PM
Mar 2014

If you didn't see the thread go find it and see what he really said. There is a seemingly concerted effort to not let that statement die and to make sure Pitt pays for it and now people are going so far as to twist what he said to achieve this goal.

Not to mention leaving out the context of it, the point of the entire post and the fact that he was distraught because he thought his wife wasn't going to be able to get meds for her MS.

 

mrchips

(97 posts)
205. My Response
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:26 PM
Mar 2014

Was to a post on this thread that had in quotations "fuck you Obama you piece of shit". It is a shame about the issue of medications, but Obama did not personally prevent his wife from getting meds. In fact Obama has worked tirelessly to see to it that millions get the health care they need. Just because someone in billing messes up and electricity gets cut off doesn't mean the whole utility company should be condemned. When you go onto a site like this you are asking for trouble when you use public hyperbole to vent. Blowback is a part of that process. I know I am getting grief from you because I take exception to hearing a democrat attacking the president in this way. I will say it again, I have no use for people attacking the president like that. Now go ahead and attack me again. I fully expect that you will.

 

mrchips

(97 posts)
227. My Mistake
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:45 PM
Mar 2014

I thought you were another poster who accused me of hypocrisy ( my word not his). Your post was actually thoughtful and an attempt to clarify the ordinal post. Please accept my apology.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
84. Piece-of-shit car salesman.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:16 PM
Mar 2014

Not "Fuck you, Obama, you piece of shit."

I guess RWers aren't the only ones to intentionally misinterpret a statement to rile up their easily manipulated followers, i.e. "You didn't build that."

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
88. Piece of shit used care salesman, I believe it was.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:18 PM
Mar 2014

Yes, the "used car salesman" makes it so much different.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
96. The piece-of-shit used car was a metaphor for the ACA.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:23 PM
Mar 2014

And Obama was the salesman for this piece-of-shit used car.

Do you know what a metaphor is?

I'm guessing reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
110. An adventurous exercise in grammatical revisionism!
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:40 PM
Mar 2014

I am actually LOLing. I haven't come across this excuse before. Yes, the "piece of shit" could theoretically have been modifying "used car" and not "salesman".

Here's an exercise. How would you parse the phrase "time flies like an arrow".

Do you think it's an imperative, instructing people to time flies the same way they would time an arrow? Or maybe they speaker is talking about a certain species of fly called a "time fly" and suggesting that "time flies" collectively show an affinity for an arrow, in the same way that they might like an apple. So many choices. Fun with linguistics...

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
292. I think you're actually completely wrong there.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:00 PM
Mar 2014

Nicely put -- and very nice illustration. And I have no dog in your OP. (Full disclosure, I'm more bothered by extreme Obama partisans than extreme critics, but I'm neither and have no interest in calling either group out here). I do remember the post you're talking about, and I thought the title came off as harsh, but make no presumption about the quality of the OP itself, because I did not read it.

Buuuut. I don't think your derision at this particular piece of trivia regarding the headline is on target at all.

How WOULD you phrase a charge of someone being the purveyor of a piece of shit used car?

Do you propose the common sense phrase, were someone theoretically disposed to accuse the President of being the seller of a metaphorical piece of shit used car (and I think we can agree this was metaphorical usage) would be something like,

"Mr. President, you salesman of piece of shit used cars!"

Really?

Doesn't --"Mr. President, you piece of shit used car salesman?" actually work much better there?

Regardless, it's neither obvious and nor undeniable that the only common sense parsing of the second one is calling the President a piece of shit.

I think what's happened here is that you didn't think about this. Whether it's significant to your overall point is another matter, but it's a very hard sell to suggest the interpretation you disapprove of is somehow awkward or unexpected. On the contrary, it's really the only way you'd expect anyone to phrase calling someone a seller of piece of shit used cars. Granted, it's not the clearest phrasing, but in a confined space -- like an OP headline -- there's really no other way you'd say that in the given context.

But please continue with the rest.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
294. "Mr President, you sold us a piece of shit used car", for one.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:14 PM
Mar 2014

Yes, it is obvious that the only common sense parsing is "piece of shit <used car salesman>." "<Piece of shit used car> salesman" would get you a bad grade on a high-school essay (particularly when it starts with "fuck you&quot . There's probably even some grammatical term for this, but I don't know what it is.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
300. But that foregoes "used car salesman," which seems
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 09:24 PM
Mar 2014

central to the expression here. The President was being called a used car salesman. If those cars were pieces of shit, "piece of shit used car salesman" is one of the few obvious options, particularly in limited space like an OP hed. If "used car salesman" is necessary, it's the most direct route, awkward though it may be.

I'd go with your phrase, probably, if I had to say it, but likewise, if someone wanted those two thoughts together and definitely wanted to call the President a piece of shit, "Mr. President, you are a piece of shit who sold us a used car" would be clearer. But see -- you still lose "used car salesman" there.

Call it ambiguous, but short of speaking with the author, it's far from a clear case for calling the President a piece of shit.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
302. I don't think so.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 09:33 PM
Mar 2014

You could also write "time flies in a way similar to the way that an arrow flies" if you were truly concerned about alternate parsings, but since nobody besides a linguist on acid would parse "time flies like an arrow" differently, then there's no point. On the other hand, if you want the imperative, you do have to rephrase it somehow (e.g. "time flies the same way you would time an arrow&quot , even though technically the imperative parsing of the original phrase is grammatically correct.

"Fuck you Mr President you piece of shit used car salesman" has only one natural, common sense parsing. If you want to emphasize piece-of-shitness of the used cars being sold, you simply have to use another phrasing. Especially if you start off with "fuck you." And since Will Pitt is a columnist by profession, he would be aware of this.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
113. well then, for a writer he was piss poor at communicating then, wasn't he?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:43 PM
Mar 2014

anyway, there was no apology, just the Ted Nugent style steaming dump.
an adult without anger problems would do that - make a genuine apology - or something. Or maybe an excuse. The excuse for that life threatening email he made to a DUer was he didn't know it was a woman, a girl! *gasp!

So I guess that means if it was a guy then it's okay to threaten his life. If it was your son, or mine, or someone's husband, it's okay to threaten his life.

good lord.

lumpy

(13,704 posts)
272. I adore and worship Obama. Some people adore and worship Will Pitt. I'd like to hear Pitts
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:16 PM
Mar 2014

explanation for his rant against blami

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
141. YES. The two stattements are very different.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:27 PM
Mar 2014

In the interest of accuracy and accountability,
you should go back and edit the false quote.
Or, you can keep on just making stuff up.


The ball is in your court.
We will all see what you choose to do,
or choose not do.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
145. No they aren't. Sorry, strange grammatical revisionism isn't going to get you guys out of this one.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:33 PM
Mar 2014

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
169. If you refuse to take responsibility,
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:18 PM
Mar 2014

......then please source the remarks you have put inside quotation marks in your OP.
[font size=3]I challenge your assertion that these quotes are something you found on DU and accurately portrayed in your OP.[/font]

A FAILURE to provide the source for these quotes is an open admission that,
YES, you ARE just making stuff up.

You can STILL go back and edit your OP.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
268. I'm not really interested in your challenge.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:49 PM
Mar 2014

The quote in the OP is accurate, and trying to parse the sentence to insist that "piece of shit" actually modified "used car" and not "salesman" is both desperate and idiotic. But keep yelling if it makes you fell better.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
174. this editor thanks you for making that distinction.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:31 PM
Mar 2014

Anyone who can diagram a sentence would see the meaning.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
129. FFS, that was frustration at the limits of the ACA.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:04 PM
Mar 2014

It's amazing how many here are trying to take it out of context and paint the writer and his recs as anti-Obama.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
135. This isn't just about Will Pitt's OP.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:13 PM
Mar 2014

But re: Will Pitt, he is a columnist as well as a DUer, and it is pretty clear that he is anti-Obama, maybe even as anti-Obama as say Glenn Greenwald. That OP was not an isolated incident. There's also "hall-of-fame worthy bullshit artist".
http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/22126-william-rivers-pitt-the-ocean-is-coming

The thing is, a lot of people have frustrations, but somehow manage to get through them without cursing out Obama. But even if we excuse Pitt, that still leaves 100+ people who recced the OP, along with other OPs blaming Obama for the lack of single payer -- yes, believe it or not, some people are delusional enough to think that Obama is the reason we don't currently have single payer.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
155. It is about Pitt when you reference his OP.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:50 PM
Mar 2014

FWIW, I'm not a big fan of WRP and did not at all like the style of that OP but the endless threads recycling it are starting to feel like a vendetta against him for criticizing the administration. Trying to bundle in all those who recced that thread as Obama blamers is just ratcheting up the vitriol.

The sun doesn't rise and set from the POTUS's backside. Obama owns the ACA -- it's a quantum leap forward but not the end in the struggle for affordable healthcare access. Criticizing Obama for limitations of the ACA is important if we ever hope to move forward on this issue. Obama can handle it. The Obama zealots, not so much.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
193. Plus the 100 people who recced it. And the people deluded enough to think that Obama
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:17 PM
Mar 2014

is responsible for there not being a single payer. And so on.

Like I said in the OP, there aren't any Obama zealots that I've seen at DU. Which is why, for all the whining, nobody has come up with any examples anywhere close to as far off the deep end as 100 recs for "fuck you you piece of shit used car salesman" from the supposed Obamabots that everyone keeps talking about.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
237. "Plus the 100 people who recced it."
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:03 PM
Mar 2014

Because agreeing with a criticism of the ACA is equivalent to being anti-Obama?
If you set the bar that low, the place is crawling with anti-Obama people. Similarly, if the bar were set that low for "Obamabots" the whole site should be renamed Obamabot Underground.

There ARE people here who try to shout down or deflect any comment that may be perceived as a criticism of the president or his policies and accomplishments. I was told the other day that insurance formularies weren't affected by the ACA, that insurance companies reworking their costs structures in response to the financial restrictions in the ACA was blaming the ACA (and by extension, Obama.) I'd name the DUer but it would probably get my post hidden. I wouldn't call that DUer an Obamabot but I would label that person an Obama zealot.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
248. Reccing "FU Obama you piece of shit used car salesman" is being anti-Obama, yes.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:34 PM
Mar 2014

I'm not sure how there is even a question about that. I have no problem with criticism of the ACA. Although, not surprisingly, like all the ACA horror stories that the Koch Brothers spent millions of dollars trying to conjure up, this one turned out to be wrong as well.

It's funny, when Fox News trots out people who's lives were supposedly destroyed by Obamacare, along with angry cursing at the president, I roll my eyes at the obvious anti-Obama-ness on display. But when it happens on DU, with just as much vitriol, somehow it's different.


There ARE people here who try to shout down or deflect any comment that may be perceived as a criticism of the president or his policies and accomplishments.

Yeah people keep saying that. I guess it's like bigfoot. We know it's out there but somehow there aren't any actual verified sightings.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
332. "obvious anti-Obama-ness on display"
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:51 AM
Mar 2014

lol Some of these complaints are so freaking thin skinned sometimes.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
188. He has also written many things in favor fo the President
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:07 PM
Mar 2014

I recommended it. And I do place part of the blame on Obama for not even trying for single payer.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
153. Frustration...
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:49 PM
Mar 2014

Frustration. But then again, I don't have an ax to grind or a poster to call out...


(although I do realize the Practically Perfect never allow frustration to enter into their discourse)

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
179. If you're going to quote something you should get it right.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:39 PM
Mar 2014

Otherwise you will lose any credibility you might have left after that delusional OP.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
195. Actual quote: "Fuck you, Mr. President, you piece of shit used-car salesman."
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:18 PM
Mar 2014

Actual quote: "Fuck you, Mr. President, you piece of shit used-car salesman."

What I've learned about the Affordable Care Act
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10024685964

Fabricating quotes of DUers to generate hostility toward critics of Obama's policies is sad, pathetic behavior.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
200. Yup, as quoted in the OP.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:21 PM
Mar 2014

Well, I did replace "Mr President" with "Obama". Maybe he was actually talking about Bush.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
213. Yes. I also left out other parts of the OP. You should make a big fuss about that also.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:33 PM
Mar 2014

Actually, I think there might be a problem of hero-worship here on DU after all. That would be people so desperate to defend Will Pitt's anti-Obama posts that they will resort to convoluted grammatical reconstructions and accusations of dishonesty at people who quote him verbatim.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
108. ah, that Bush furiner thing again.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:36 PM
Mar 2014

I suppose you think I should be ashamed?

Nope.

I suppose you think I should stfu because I'm a 'alien'

Nope.

I have people down there in the U.S, people that I worry about that I KNOW who could use any help they can get with their healthcare costs and access. And I am happy for all the ones I don't personally know but through DU that have stories of what the ACA has done for them to relieve stress and sometimes money pressures.

So, lame away. You look silly with this 'let me see your pepers' thing.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
111. I do not think any of what you posted
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:42 PM
Mar 2014

It would be nice (imo) if there were some form of disclosure as to the citizen status of posters. I know it is not possible with a web site such as this though.

I have no issue with people of other nations giving views on our political system and current events. It is good to get voices from outside.

I just posted to inform that I was aware of your status, and your response would be filtered through that knowledge.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
115. you should make a post in ATA
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:45 PM
Mar 2014

in fact, I think one of the admins is a 'furiner', maybe you should ask Skinner which one so you can have that 'filtered knowledge' thing on him too.



funny shit.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
312. EarlG's reply there was not the last time he had to defend 'furriners' at DU:
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:24 PM
Mar 2014
EarlG Admin

1. Good question


I guess I'll go ban myself now.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=437&topic_id=2545&mesg_id=2572

See, it's all a plot to take over America by the Admins! The uberlibs at the Old Elm Tree were right! AAARGGH!



freshwest

(53,661 posts)
327. NO. I linked the SINGLE POST from the THREAD he linked, which I printed here. Bye. n/t
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:47 AM
Mar 2014

Last edited Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:39 AM - Edit history (1)

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
286. Are you a Xenophobe? Is so, that sucks to be you.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:09 PM
Mar 2014

Because, if you are claiming I am one based on my posts, that sounds an awful like a personal attack to me...

My point to the question is that it seems as though a decent percentage of the regular posters which appear to back 3rd way ideas on this board are actually non-citizens. This is at least an interesting coincidence imo.

As I said in my post above, I think it is good to get views from people of other nations. I have no issue with that.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
345. They are citizens of countries with single payer systems!
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 09:04 AM
Mar 2014

Now that's rich. Really, that's all you got? You can find plenty of Americans who agree with Sid or Whisp. That won't get you out of it at any rate.

And you are calling people Third Wayers, and we know that's meant as an attack on the poster and not their opinions.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
280. I am reading this thread and wheezing with laughter at those breaking into a sweat pretending
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:59 PM
Mar 2014

that DanTX "lied" in this thread. And that when Will Pitt said "piece of shit used car salesman" he was talking about the used car being the POS or when he said "Mr. President" he may not have been talking about Obama.

I mean I am DYING laughing. DanTX is handling them beautifully but it is just surreal.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
297. bwahahaha! It was the Car!
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:35 PM
Mar 2014

Fuck you, you piece of shit used car, President salesman! Fuck you.
yeh, that's the ticket - just a misplaced comma I tell ya!
This is better than the Comedy Channel, I swear.


lumpy

(13,704 posts)
269. In your opinion, our Democratic elected officials are acting in accord with right wing agendas.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:58 PM
Mar 2014

Your statement of that sort fit in nicely with right wing posturing. You really must believe that politics is a black and white function and it all comes easy.
It would be much more effective if you didn't compare Dem leadership commensurate with right wing agenda.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
284. Not all, but many.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:07 PM
Mar 2014

Bernie and Warren are left leaning, and many others are Center. But there are a lot of right wingers imo. Note, I consider Corporatists right wingers. Others may not consider that right wing.

lumpy

(13,704 posts)
10. Thanks for your post and for being a 'critical thinker'. Your quotes show how times and thinking
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:02 AM
Mar 2014

has changed for the better.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
28. There is no Anti-Obama movement
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:15 AM
Mar 2014

There are people speaking out about the same shit they have always spoken out about. They aren't hypocrites. When a Dem does the same crap a Repuke does, he/she gets called out on it.

Will was venting about a policy that was hurting someone he loves. Deal with it.

I don't agree with what he said, but I at least have the empathy to realize where it was coming from. Why are you taking it so personally?

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
35. This isn't about one person. 100+ people recced "fuck you Obama you piece of shit".
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:22 AM
Mar 2014

If that's not an "anti-Obama movement" then I don't know what is.

I didn't say they are hypocrites. I said they are off the deep end.

Why do I have a problem with people falsely blaming Obama for every little thing that's wrong in the world? Well, I have a problem when FOX News does it. Should I give a pass for the same reflexive anti-Obama stupidity simply because it's posted on DU?

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
72. What they recommended was the outrage over the parts of the ACA that sucks
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:07 PM
Mar 2014

Those same people have also been screaming for single payer for years. They are not hypocrites. You are just assuming they are recommending one part of the post that you that you hated.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
79. A good way to phrase that would be "part of the ACA sucks".
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:13 PM
Mar 2014

I'll repeat, I didn't say they are hypocrites. I said they are off the deep end. A lot of people have problems in their lives. But most people who aren't on FOX News manage to not scream at Obama about them.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
98. Those of us that know Will, understand why he lashed out
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:24 PM
Mar 2014

We also know he is not Anti-Obama. He was just pissed off.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
189. That's not what he said. You lose all credibilty for continuously posting false quotes.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:08 PM
Mar 2014

It's very clear what your agenda is here. People who can't grasp the point of Pitt's OP and focus on his unfortunate angry outburst are exactly what you think does not exist on DU. Your behavior in this thread alone betrays your claim of being so level-headed in your opinion of Obama.

People are standing up for their principles when they criticize Obama's policies. They stood up for those same principles when Bush was president. They aren't changing their principles just because the POTUS is a Dem.

Those who do not like this criticism have thrown out their principles in order to defend a singular person, a singular politician. Those are the people who are off the deep end.

You don't like what they say about the policies? Counter it. But starting a stupid and disingenuous OP such as this, where you claim there are no "Obamabots" (your term) on DU, present straw men arguments, misquote Pitt and try to pretend it's not about him and that you are so level headed is absurd. Not only are you willing to toss out principles but you are willing to add to the divisiveness.

You and your invisible "Obamabots" (your term) are what's dangerous to our democracy because you want us to put our principles aside just so you don't have to see any criticism of Obama.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
197. Yes, it is what he said.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:20 PM
Mar 2014

My agenda is exposing the fact that the anti-Obama people are off the deep end, whereas the "Obamabots" hardly exist. And the fact that there are, so far, zero examples of any supposed Obamabot posting anything anywhere as close to as far off the deep end as "fuck you Obama you piece of shit used car salesman", much less getting an army of recs for it, is proving my point very nicely.

Oh, and if you think that "Obamabot" is my term, then you are even more deluded than the people who think we would have single payer if not for Obama.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
203. No it is not. If you think it is then go find it and post a link.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:25 PM
Mar 2014

"Obamabot" is your term as used in the OP. I don't use that term so that's why when using it here I attribute it to your use of it in the OP. Seriously, you are taking things way too personally.

How about you just stick to talking about policy? You've got to let go of this vendetta against Pitt so many of you seem to be on.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
199. Actual quote: "Fuck you, Mr. President, you piece of shit used-car salesman."
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:21 PM
Mar 2014

Actual quote: "Fuck you, Mr. President, you piece of shit used-car salesman."

What I've learned about the Affordable Care Act
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10024685964

Fabricating quotes of DUers to generate hostility toward critics of Obama's policies is sad, pathetic behavior.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
339. Maybe they recced the author without even reading any of the content.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:17 AM
Mar 2014

Or maybe they were just blindly hitting the rec button...

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
363. Hey, you're the one making excuses for them.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:03 AM
Mar 2014

What actually happened is that they approved of the FU you POS sentiment. But as long as we're entertaining mindless speculation, let's not stop at your "they really just liked the title" theory...

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
364. Making excuses for who?
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:09 AM
Mar 2014

Who is 'them'?

And that is not my 'theory'. It is yours, remember?

Don't be so hypersensitive about critique of politicians and the problem is solved, OK?

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
365. The people who recced that post.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:12 AM
Mar 2014

Your theory that maybe they just recced the title, and not the content.

Ah, the "don't be so sensitive" card, well played!

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
366. I recced it, if I remember right
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:17 AM
Mar 2014

Because I agreed with the content of the OP.

Now stop being so hypersensitive. If you guys better handled critique of politicians, threads like this one or that one wouldn't be kicked for days on end and your agonizing dilemma wouldn't be so long and drawn out.

Now stop it!

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
367. "Hypersensitive" now! Methinks you've insulted people in the internet before!
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:22 AM
Mar 2014

You're no first-timer! What next, are you going to call me "cute"?

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
371. Hypersensitivity and the internet
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:51 AM
Mar 2014

Are not mutually inclusive.

Nice try at stealth 'troll' accusation!

pnwmom

(108,915 posts)
57. There are some people here who've been angry with Obama ever since he won election.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:46 AM
Mar 2014

Just as there are people here who've never stopped being mad at Hillary Clinton, and will no doubt go after her as soon as she's elected, if she is.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
191. Well when one of a Dem president's first actions is to firmy install Wall Street
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:10 PM
Mar 2014

in the White House there are people who are going to be angry about that.

Clinton would just bring us more corporate bs and move us yet even further to the right so we won't wait until she's elected (if she is) to go after her.

pnwmom

(108,915 posts)
244. Thanks for so effectively proving my point. Anti-Obama sentiment here is real and longstanding.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:16 PM
Mar 2014

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
281. I did no such thing. I'm not anti-Obama. I'm anti-Wall Street.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:59 PM
Mar 2014

You said something about people getting upset with him from the get go. That's why. Doesn't make anyone anti-Obama for being mad at him.

I was elated when I voted for him even though he wasn't my first choice in the primaries. I was tearful when the results came in that he had won. I was overjoyed at the gathering at his inauguration. And now I am extremely disappointed with him as a president. So no, I'm not anti-Obama.

Are you saying you are happy about him having put Wall Street in the White House? It's about his actions, not him as a person. Go ahead and defend him having put Wall Street in the White House if you like, but don't make the incorrect assumption that just because someone doesn't like some of a politician's actions mean they don't like the person.

lumpy

(13,704 posts)
276. Can't you be more specific about the corporate 'bs' Clinton will use to move us to the right or
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:34 PM
Mar 2014

any other specifics you might know about moving us to the right.

 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
131. It's Used to Dismiss Legitimate Criticisms or Concerns
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:06 PM
Mar 2014

It's a lazy way without having to debate folks, but there are those who I think, truly believe there is a "Hater" behind every criticism.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
350. some of these posters are long past legitimate criticism and "concern"
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 09:18 AM
Mar 2014

way past that.

They were betrayed because single payer could not be passed. It doesn't get more hysterical and ridiculous than that.

Skittles

(152,918 posts)
263. like I said, just put them on Ignore
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:32 PM
Mar 2014

there's no use wasting time on them and they're the equivalent of 5-year olds stamping their feet

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
173. There's no anti-Obama movement here.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:28 PM
Mar 2014

Everyone wants Obama to succeed at helping the people of this country and keeping our constitution intact.

There are people on here who are anti-corporatist policy, anti-drones, anti-whistle blower prosecutions, anti-spying on American citizens with no reason, anti-ignoring the Fourth Amendment of the constitution, anti-assassination of American citizens without due process, anti-secret back room deals with corporations by Obama, anti-TPP, anti-KXL pipeline, anti-disruptors trying to shut down any and all criticism of Obama.

Those who you think are anti-Obama are the ones on here fighting the hardest for your freedoms, for our democracy.

Those who would disallow all criticism are those you claim to not see. They are a danger to democracy and our constitution for they would allow anything and everything Obama does and defend it wholeheartedly no matter if it is unconstitutional or not.


 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
187. Anti-Third Way, dude
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:06 PM
Mar 2014

We don't want Hillary Clinton!

Warren, Sanders, or Reich

Obama = Clinton = Third Way

I'm sure close to 100% of us voted for Obama in 2012 and, if Hillary wins the nomination, I suspect a shit ton more would vote for Hillary over Republican nominee than those who would not, possibly very close to 100%, as well.

Obama is taking the beating now while Hillary is in hiding, and that's a good thing for me. Criticizing Obama helps me make my case because Hillary is worse than Obama. It's been a very effective tactic for me as my FB friends are starting to see that The Third Way sucks ass. We never got the Hope and Change we all wanted. Hillary will follow the Obama blueprint: campaign left of center then govern right of center.

Our greatest obstacle, IMO, is we're up against the desire for the first woman. Well, I'm all for that, but she's the WRONG woman. Warren is the RIGHT woman.

So, as I see it, tagging Obama as a Third Way politician (which he is) goes a long way in our effort to reseed the Democratic candidates: between Warren, Sanders, Reich, and Clinton, Hillary is the #4 seed.

Others may, or likely have a different slant. But it's working for me. Not all of my FB friends follow as closely as I do, and I'm seeing a lot of people "Liking" Elizabeth Warren and much fewer pro-Hillary posts.

pnwmom

(108,915 posts)
16. Another realistic OP with not a single untrue word,
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:07 AM
Mar 2014

and yet the anti-Obama crowd are no doubt alerting on it.

LuvNewcastle

(16,813 posts)
6. What you're doing is no better than what other people do here.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:58 AM
Mar 2014

You exaggerate things to get some point across, which is what, exactly? To get a fight stirred up? Your post has no value other than to start a flame war. You should delete it, but you probably won't, because the whole idea behind the post is to see the reactions you get from people and then admire your handiwork. I hope the hosts lock it.

pnwmom

(108,915 posts)
7. What is exaggerated in the OP? Can you point to anything the OP said that
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:01 AM
Mar 2014

is untrue or even exaggerated?

LuvNewcastle

(16,813 posts)
21. Well, he claims that an "Obamabot" can only be someone who
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:10 AM
Mar 2014

considers Obama to be the messiah or something. That's an exaggeration of what I think the term means. Second, he claims there is an "anti-Obama movement." I haven't seen any evidence of a movement. That's also an exaggeration. But the main point I was making wasn't about the exaggerations, it was about the flame-bait aspect of the post. Do you not agree that the post is flame-bait and will clearly lead to a big fight if a lot of people respond to it?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
26. Talk about burying your head in the sand
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:13 AM
Mar 2014

The problem with putting people on ignore is you can't then have any valid opinion about the site overall.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
32. I didn't say "anti-Obama movement" in my OP. I said "anti-Obama crowd".
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:18 AM
Mar 2014

But I see why you would want to change it. If you don't think that the 100+ people who recced "fuck you Obama you piece of shit" are evidence of an anti-Obama crowd, then I'm not sure we are going to find common ground.

The term "Obamabot" is obviously a derogatory term for Obama supporters, implying that they are robots. That's not an exaggeration. Most people who use the term Obamabot are right wingers, or members of the aforementioned anti-Obama crowd.

And flame-bait? I think you missed the part of the post where I give examples of other great presidents whose sins were at least as severe as Obama. People will flame anything. My point is that the reflexive anti-Obama sentiment here is not warranted, and no president would stand the kind of purity test that people are putting Obama through.

G_j

(40,366 posts)
45. so...
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:35 AM
Mar 2014

help us out here. Is there a difference between feeling that Obama has not done a reasonable job of representing traditional democratic values, and being "anti-Obama"? Doesn't being anti-something imply you are just flat out against that something?

pnwmom

(108,915 posts)
48. No, I don't think the post is flame bait. I think it's a even-handed attempt to discuss a problem.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:40 AM
Mar 2014

I remember years ago when I posted about the innocence of the Duke lacrosse students, and people would accuse me of posting flame bait. That's when I came to understand that the term is basically an indirect way of saying, "shut up" or "go away."

Also, the term Obamabot is a slur, because it implies that the person is robotically -- i.e., brainlessly and automatically -- following Obama. And yet many so-called Democrats and progressives feel free to use the term here against other DUers, instead of merely stating the areas in which they disagree.

Why is it okay for some DUers to call others a slur like that and then to insist that an open discussion of the issue is flame bait?

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
192. Mis-quoted Pitt.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:13 PM
Mar 2014

And as was said above he uses an exaggerated meaning of "Obamabot" to make it more difficult to say there are any on here, which there clearly are.

pnwmom

(108,915 posts)
241. "Obamabot" implies the person is robotic, brainless and automatic, which is slur.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:10 PM
Mar 2014

And the actual quote chosen could have been much worse.

karend62

(29 posts)
303. Because Democrats prefer to think for themselves
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 09:45 PM
Mar 2014

Instead of being spoon-fed from Fox News every night?

pnwmom

(108,915 posts)
304. Because none of the people here who are accused of being Obamabots fit your description.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 09:47 PM
Mar 2014

Faux news is aimed at tea baggers, not Dems who support Obama.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
307. It's about supporting Obama policies
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:02 PM
Mar 2014

that you would likely oppose if they were being proposed by the Republican Party, or, more accurately, that you oppose regardless of who proposes it. Pretty easy to understand really.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
9. If only I were exaggerating...
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:02 AM
Mar 2014

"Fuck you Obama you piece of shit" gets 100+ recs. And now there's a supposedly conciliatory OP calling people "Obamabots".

Odd that you don't object to calling people "Obamabots". Implying that Obama supporters are "robots" is not an exaggeration in your mind. But a direct quote from an OP with over 100 recs is an exaggeration. Interesting...

lumpy

(13,704 posts)
19. You are making flame bait out of the truth. Do you have anything to say that is of any value?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:10 AM
Mar 2014

At least, the quotes presented should make you do a little bit of reflecting how history and thought have evolved.

LuvNewcastle

(16,813 posts)
27. Here's a little thought for you. Do you realize that your "truth" might
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:14 AM
Mar 2014

be someone else's bullshit? I don't think you could really call something this subjective "the truth." Anyway, I'm not going to get sucked into this goddamn thread. Y'all have fun.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
15. you're seeing what you want to see. there are people here who worship and adore this president
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:06 AM
Mar 2014

beyond any reason.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
17. I believe you are the one seeing what you want to see.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:09 AM
Mar 2014

But I am above all a believer in evidence and reason. So:

If you have anything comparable to 100+ recs for "fuck you Obama you piece of shit", I would love to see it.

If you have any argument as to how Obama's sins are greater than claiming that the white race should hold the superior position in society, or approving the use of the armed forces on domestic territory to forcibly remove innocent citizens from their homes without any right to due process whatsoever, I would love to hear it.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
39. Yeah, I'm probably looking in the wrong places for Bigfoot and UFOs also.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:24 AM
Mar 2014

Like I said, if there's anything comparable to 100 recs for "fuck you Obama you piece of shit", I'd love to see it. To be honest, I haven't been looking for either pro-Obama or anti-Obama extremism. But the anti-Obama hysteria is hard to miss.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
38. I see demonstrably unsupportable sophistry, contradictions and fallacies here all the time.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:23 AM
Mar 2014

Your OP thesis is effectively false.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
194. "If you have anything comparable to 100+ recs...I would love to see it.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:18 PM
Mar 2014

Now I know you are not a truthful person.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1102

Seriously. Please.

This is in response to everything except your last paragraph. I have no idea what that gibberish means.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
198. LOL. Cleverly avoiding any actual links to the supposed offensive material.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:21 PM
Mar 2014

Y'all get funnier by the post.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
212. How clever is it to repost enough of the quote and causing people to post the correct quote
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:32 PM
Mar 2014

since that's just going to make it more "'googleable".

Talk about funny.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
214. Yes, I replaced "Mr President" with "Obama". You're not the first person to get outraged about that
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:33 PM
Mar 2014

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
216. That's where you think the error is? The real error has been pointed out in this thread already
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:37 PM
Mar 2014

more than once, and yet you still feign innocence.

Talk about disingenuous. Oh sure, you are the level headed one who hasn't gone off the deep end.

If you're going to continue to misquote when it's been pointed out to be incorrect then you are just plain lying. So I'm done with you.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
285. The BOG doesn't not allow the least bit of criticism of Obama in there and discriminates
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:09 PM
Mar 2014

against anyone who says the most mild thing that isn't completely positive about Obama by banning them without warning. There shall be only praise there. There are even pic threads that are the equivalent of some teen heartthrob zines. That is proof. If you really need more than that then you're being purposefully obtuse.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
215. Here's the link.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:34 PM
Mar 2014

What I've learned about the Affordable Care Act
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10024685964

Actual quote: "Fuck you, Mr. President, you piece of shit used-car salesman."

Your fabricated quotes:

"The difference being that 'Obama is a piece of shit' was actually posted and highly recced"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4728916

"How would you describe 'fuck you Obama you piece of shit' with 100+ recs?"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4728556

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
218. Yes, I replaced "Mr President" with "Obama". You got me.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:39 PM
Mar 2014

I fabricated the "Obama" part of the quote. And in the second one, he didn't actually say "is a", but instead implied it.

Now, I think that most people without some kind of desperate agenda would agree that there isn't much difference, but obviously that's not who I'm dealing with at the moment.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
224. Yes, that would be relevant if I had fabricated a quote. Fortunately, I didn't.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:42 PM
Mar 2014

But trying to play grammatic twister in order to misrepresent the words of your hero, that's something different.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
231. Good point! You said something true! I knew you had it in you!
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:48 PM
Mar 2014

Irrelevant, but true. But, hey, that's a start. Crawl before walking and all.

sheshe2

(83,138 posts)
368. Which BOG post were you referring to, cui?
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:27 AM
Mar 2014

The one with the 100+ recs?! I am having trouble finding it. And you say the OP got a quote wrong, yet here you are making a false point, IMHO. I think you just wanted to trash the BOG.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
378. You know I was referring to the BOG itself. That whole group is just a lovefest.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:51 PM
Mar 2014

You guys ban people who barely make a criticism of Obama at all. With no warning at all. Surely you can understand how that is a prime example. You ought to read my sig.

The OP was absolutely wrong. It has been shown all over this thread that the quote was incorrect and incomplete as well as most likely misinterpreted. Not to mention that the quote was incidental to the point of the OP.

As to trashing the BOG... I trashed it a long time ago. Literally. Linking to it and describing it accurately is hardly trashing it. If you don't like what it is then you can change it.

lumpy

(13,704 posts)
30. Ridiculous. Time to use a little reason. What is your reason for continuing this smut?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:16 AM
Mar 2014

Want to divide the Democratic party or what?

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
207. Continuing what smut? The smut of the OP? You thanked Dan for the OP.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:27 PM
Mar 2014

What is your reason for continuing this smut?

Want to divide the Democratic party or what?

lumpy

(13,704 posts)
267. All I know is that some people love stirring the pot without reason by claiming that people here
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:43 PM
Mar 2014

worship and adore this President 'beyond any reason'. Insults are not appreciated and will be answered. If you think this is conducive to furthering our Democratic goals you are way off base.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
24. Excellent, thank you
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:12 AM
Mar 2014

I think he's a good president -his personality seems really suited to the office. I voted for him both times and support his decisions, because he's smart and knows the whole scene down there in DC. I get tired of that being called Tiger Beat Fan-ism.

When calling him a failure over one medical issue not even related to the ACA is over the top ridiculous.

Most of the posters (we are not allowed a group name for them) who never find him to be doing even the competent thing also rant on OTT ways about the end of the world, the end of Democracy and the rule of "corporations" and from there, will never find anything mainstream elected by their fellow Americans to be adequate to their needs.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
298. I don't get the impression he "knows the whole scene down there in DC" at all.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:40 PM
Mar 2014

He's been out-maneuvered. He's admitted he not a schmoozer. He's unwilling to use the bully pulpit. He just recently found his magic pen (and phone). To me he comes across as too much of a lone wolf, and that's not the way DC operates.

SleeplessinSoCal

(8,950 posts)
105. good point.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:33 PM
Mar 2014

Obama is in a league of his own though. FDR had nowhere near the hypocrisy as the MIC hadn't been built yet. Or the anti-abortion zealots.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
33. We need meta
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:19 AM
Mar 2014

For the record, I have, and it is just as ugly as FR with shrub.

It is not good for democracies. Alas this is not a mature democracy as much as we like to pretend otherwise.

Oh and my friend FDR was savaged over the weakness of his signature legislation. Lincoln was savaged as well. To use your words of course. There are these things with paper in them, and letters, forming words. Crack them open and read them.

justgamma

(3,660 posts)
43. Go ahead and call me an Obamabot.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:28 AM
Mar 2014

Do I agree with everything he does? Heck no! The thing is, I can go on the Rightie's sites and see all the same shit trying to beat him down. He can do no right according to some on here.

He could bring on world peace and someone will jump in and yell about not getting single payer. It gets old and tiresome.

It's as tiresome as the righties, yelling Benghazi all the time.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
234. Precisely!
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:50 PM
Mar 2014


Too many Liberaltarians infesting this site. Just reading their posts, Obama is The Great Satan. They can't post a single positive thing about him. Their hatred for the man is as visceral as that of Teabaggers. I simply can't tell them apart anymore.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
311. I doubt that
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:20 PM
Mar 2014

I don't go to rightwing sites, but I'm pretty sure their criticisms of Obama would be very different from criticisms of Obama from the left.

I haven't seen many people on the left buy into the Benghazi faux scandal, to use the example you used.

Mostly, on the left, we're concerned with corporate control of our government, with favoring the 1% over the rest of us, with the lack of environmental priorities, with militarism, lack of needed regulation of corporations, corporate money in our elections, as well as the various social issues that people on the right have no tolerance for.

If we criticize the ACA, it isn't because it's some socialist program, it's because it's not.

So I think your statement that you can go on the RW sites and see all the same shit is way off base. You equate it as the same shit, but it is actually the opposite.

I'm ok with more centrist Dems disagreeing with the left on policy. I'm not ok with Dems who try to implicate Obama's critics on the left as being stealth Republicans, or being called rat-fuckers, or being compared to RW'ers in any way. The truth is the opposite, yet I see this fallacy all the time on D.U.

justgamma

(3,660 posts)
314. Sorry, that was badly worded.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:30 PM
Mar 2014

I didn't mean to equate the posts here with the righties. No matter the topic, they throw in "but Benghazi".

I just meant that no matter what the topic is someone will come in and throw a bucket of water on it with a completely unrelated topic. Someone will say "he's funny" and someone will come in and say, but he's pushing the pipeline.

Someone will say "beautiful family" and someone butts in and says "but he's a corporate shill".

I hope you get where, I'm coming from.

I sure didn't mean to offend anyone.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
319. Thanks for your response
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:53 PM
Mar 2014

On my side, I have seen many many posts, some directed at me personally, trying to implicate people to the left of Obama that post their objections on D.U. as being RW'ers. It's a terrible thing to do to a leftist, and I would think that it would not happen on D.U., unfortunately it is S.O.P. for some here. When you said you can go to RW sites and see the same shit, that's where that remark took me. Glad to see that isn't where you are coming from.

Re the ACA and this OP, I do blame Obama for aligning with the health insurance industry, Baucus did the damage but Baucus basically IS Obama, dig into the prior Baucus staffers who were with Obama early on in his campaign, such as Messina. People let Obama off too easily on this issue IMHO. Many here believe otherwise, I am ok with that, agree to disagree.

Will Pitt's OP this OP referenced (inaccurately, since it omitted the used-car salesman part) was one I read, and thought about rec'ing, but the sentiment looked to me to be a little over the top.

I am not a great fan of Pitt, he wrote many posts earlier in Obama's presidency that were too far in the apologist camp for me. Now that he has come around in his thinking, I agree with him more often, but writers try to get noticed, and use overly dramatic language. He also had a personal stake in this since it was his wife. I think, for those wanting to understand his post and not simply slander a lot of good Democrats here, those were factors in him using that extreme phrasing. And many people rec'ing that thread probably did so with this context in mind.

This OP here (not Will's) seems like nothing more than divisive hippie punching, a device to limit criticism and dissent among Democrats who genuinely disagree with many of the RW (more accurately corporate and M.I.C.) policies Obama has supported. We should be able to do so here on D.U., we want real Democrats pushing real Democratic policies, and we're willing to fight for them when we find one.

justgamma

(3,660 posts)
329. Totally agree with you on most of this.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:10 AM
Mar 2014

I guess, with me, I see so much right wing BS being flung about on other sites, that maybe, I get hypersensitive to any criticism by anybody. Even though, I've been furious at Obama for many things, there's a lot of blaming him for things he has no control of. Or maybe, I have outrage fatigue and have to save it for the tighty rightys.

Anyway, carry on with the good fight.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
44. You think Obama has just been pretty good, not great, and then use Lincoln and FDR as examples, two
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:31 AM
Mar 2014

presidents who are usually ranked near the top or, in Lincoln's case, at the top, of all time greatest presidents. Alrighty then.

Maybe comparing Obama to Lincoln, which I have seen quite a bit here by a certain crowd, is a sign of an "Obamabot"?

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
47. I think you missed the points of the examples.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:36 AM
Mar 2014

Or maybe you didn't actually read the quotes.

The examples were to illustrate that even presidents ranked near the very top say and do some pretty objectionable things. Sure, Obama has his flaws, but he never used the US military to forcibly remove large numbers of people from their homes without even the pretense of due process. And he also never stated that he thought that white people are a superior race and deserve to occupy a privileged role in society.

Yeah, I think he's just pretty good. I can understand people who have differing opinions. There is an argument to be made that he's great. There is an argument to be made that he's mediocre or disappointing. There's no argument to be made, however, for "fuck you Obama you piece of shit". And there's also no argument to be made that he's anywhere near as bad as a Republican.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
54. Ok, but trying to impose modern understanding and standards on these past presidents is kind of
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:44 AM
Mar 2014

silly, IMHO. Yep, Lincoln believed what just about everyone else thought at the time. And about FDR, World War 2 was beyond huge and was a historic event, and he did what he thought was best at the time, which was basically saving the world from fascism and the Third Reich. It is easy to look back in 2014 and say they made mistakes.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
60. Umm, there were plenty of people at the time that saw that these two things were wrong.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:52 AM
Mar 2014

I agree it's silly to judge these people as bad presidents because of these things. Almost as silly as blaming Obama for the lack of single payer. Well, no, not that silly.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
63. Well, I think Obama has been fairly mediocre as a president. And it has nothing to do with him not
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:57 AM
Mar 2014

being able to pass single payer, all by himself. And I would never dream of comparing him to any of our great presidents, like FDR and Lincoln, or Washington, or Kennedy.

 

idendoit

(505 posts)
279. I think you make a much better point here than the OP.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:46 PM
Mar 2014

The current President made promises in his stump speeches that weren't kept, too. I think Teddy put it best:
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."

wyldwolf

(43,864 posts)
50. A good president with "great" potential
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:41 AM
Mar 2014

He rose to the occasion on many issues - the economy, health care, LGBT rights, etc.

Despite what the right says, his foreign policy has been above average and he's shown a ruthlessness when dealing with enemies.

If times had been more dire, he would have risen to the occasion.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
56. Lol - there are endless love threads about the man...
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:46 AM
Mar 2014

How dreamy he is and what a cool guy and how he's always playing gazillion-dimensional chess.

It's absurd - like middle schoolers gushing over the latest pop star.

That said, I don't care and I don't put people on ignore. Message boards serve a lot of different purposes, so whatever.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
65. Thinking he's a cool guy doesn't make anyone an "Obamabot".
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:00 PM
Mar 2014

I think Robert Redford is a cool guy. Does that make me a "Redfordbot"?

This whole idea that praising the president makes you a "bot" is very much part of the anti-Obama sentiment here. He is a cool guy!

polichick

(37,152 posts)
66. When people can't see around that, they are subject to the...
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:03 PM
Mar 2014

"Obamabot" virus, which has swept through DU, like it or not.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
67. But people can see around that.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:05 PM
Mar 2014

Like I said, come up with anything remotely comparable to 100+ recs for "fuck you you piece of shit" and then we can have a conversation. People who think Obama is a cool guy is nothing like that.

You act as though somehow liking the president is equivalent to hating him.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
86. I've been thinking the whole time.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:17 PM
Mar 2014

For a while I was thinking that you were going to present some evidence to support your claims. Now I'm thinking that you're not.

You see, as a rational person, as you posted more and more, I abandoned my initial assumption that you shared my interest in reason, and have replaced it with the evidence-based conclusion that your beliefs are not based in fact.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
93. Yay! I was right! No evidence from you! Just like I thought!
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:21 PM
Mar 2014

It feels good being right. You should try it sometime. It will be a new experience for you.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
123. I think what is meant is you are not an Obama-hater,
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:57 PM
Mar 2014

is what that poster is saying how you outted yourself.

Therefore you will never be allowed in their club and get the free coupons for pointy little back stabbing daggers and stuff.

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
58. Lately this place gives me a headache above my left eye.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:47 AM
Mar 2014

Can we someday get back to being Democrats and hating all things Republican? I liked that DU better.

There are all kinds of Democrats. And being Democrats we squabble and don't walk in lockstep like Republicans. I like that about us.

Basically we all vote the same.

This Obamabot argle bargle is getting really old fast.

 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
68. Is This Some Jedi Mind Trick?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:05 PM
Mar 2014

Guess who it's working on? And comparing Obama to Lincoln and FDR? Seriously?! WOW.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
74. Chalk up another "missed the point".
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:08 PM
Mar 2014

The point of the FDR and Lincoln quotes was to show that even universally acclaimed presidents said and did some pretty awful things. Much worse than not trying to force single payer through a congress that was never going to pass it.

 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
124. Nah, I get Your Point as to Why you used FDR and Lincoln
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:59 PM
Mar 2014

And I don't really think you are trying to make the comparison.

But I do understand why the label, obamabot exists. There are folks here mindlessly accusing others on DU of hating a president just for criticizing his policies, that's why the label is used. What I do is place those folks on ignore, because they really aren't debating the subject matter... they are accusing people of being "right wingers", "libertarians", "putinistas", "Snowden-Greenwald Worshipers", etc and by extension making it all about "hating" the President to avoid the subject matter. It's a mindless reaction to try to avoid the meat of the argument. Sometimes, there is criticism that has nothing to do with Obama himself, but then all of the sudden those people making the criticism are accused of attacking the President, which to me seems a bit crazy to tell you the truth. It's a hyper-reaction. So there is a reason why the term is used. Is it right? No... is it fair? Yes, sometimes it really is!

If people can be accused of being a "hater" or any of the other terms I mentioned above, then yes, it's all fair. And yes, there are folks on DU who mindlessly and relentlessly make all criticism of Obama's policies personal, and NEVER debate the points being made.

I read much more than I post, and just log in so I won't have to see the mindless knee-jerk reaction by those who defend the indefensible, and then rec threads I think worthy of discussion or at least attention. I think the accusations being made by those who think they are defending Obama are a way to dismiss and demean legitimate concerns. If those folks can't debate the meat of one's argument, I recommend they use the ignore feature more. That goes for both parties. There will be less aggravation. To each his own...

JustAnotherGen

(31,631 posts)
343. Shhhhhh
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:57 AM
Mar 2014

You weren't supposed to tell anyone. Now come back over here and hide . . . I have thin mints, berry detox tea, and popcorn. It's much more fun watching from the sidelines!

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
85. Odd spectrum
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:16 PM
Mar 2014

Apparently your competence spectrum ranges from doodoo to deity, and that's just odd.
If you are unaware as to the specifics of why people are unhappy with the Dems and Obama, then you are either willfully ignorant, an Obamabot, a or one who just likes to stir shit.
I'm betting you are holding a spoon.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
87. They're not hard to spot.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:17 PM
Mar 2014

I think people (including me) judge extremes by their own position, so I'll acknowledge I may not see "Obama is a piece of shit" as often as you since I generally think he's a middling-grade president with plenty of good and plenty of bad, and should be praised for the good and criticized for the bad. He's probably the best president in my lifetime, but since that starts at Reagan, it isn't saying very much.

The spectrum actually runs from "Obama is a piece of shit" to "Obama is the greatest president ever, and anyone that thinks he isn't or has ever disagreed with him about anything is a mentally ill racist troll."

When people respond to criticism of a politician with "Never loved him anyway" or by claiming people that disagree with him just "hate" him, you're not dealing with a political arguments, you're dealing with a personality cult. Personality cults aren't necessarily bad...There have been personality cults that had a positive social outcome. But it is what it is.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
90. The difference being that "Obama is a piece of shit" was actually posted and highly recced
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:20 PM
Mar 2014

Whereas "Obama is the greatest president ever, and anyone that thinks he isn't or has ever disagreed with him about anything is a mentally ill racist troll" is just a fabrication of yours to try and pretend that this is a "both sides do it" situation. Krugman calls this kind of argument "views differ on shape of planet".

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
117. Why do you keep calling Obama a piece of shit?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:46 PM
Mar 2014

Will Pitt's essay used a metaphor of Obama as a salesman of piece-of-shit used cars in reference to his selling of the ACA. He did not call Obama a piece of shit.

I pointed that out to you upthread, yet you continue to claim that WP wrote that Obama is a piece of shit.

Your insistence on promoting an easily-debunked false claim of a disparagement of President Obama to support your faux outrage is representative of the behavior which clearly falls within the parameters of what could be considered an Obamabot.

Carry on.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
121. Ellipses are cool!
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:56 PM
Mar 2014

I see you can use them in a sentence. Here's how they work in a quote:

"Fuck you, Obama, you piece of shit..." It means that you are not quoting the entire sentence, which may affect the meaning of the sentence.

Without them, the meaning could be completely different than what was intended.

For example, "You see, that means it's actually me saying it..."

Response to DanTex (Reply #136)

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
146. It is you actually saying it
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:36 PM
Mar 2014

And you've done it quite a bit on this thread.

You are not quoting anyone. A quote is restating exactly what another said, and the object of your attack never said what is in your quote.

Therefore, it is you making something up. Over and over, again and again. You have embarrassed yourself, this website, and Obama, and you should delete this thread and all your "quoted" fabrications meant only to divide us.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
164. No. It is not
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:57 PM
Mar 2014

You are making it up. It is a fabrication meant only to be rude, divisive and mean. Again, you should go back and delete each post you used those words in, self-delete those posts, then self-delete this thread and go lick your wounds.

lumpy

(13,704 posts)
260. I guess you are not an Rah Rah guy for Obama just a RahRah guy for Will Pitt.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:29 PM
Mar 2014

Speaking of making things up!!! and then you claim someone else of making things up, being rude, divisive and mean. That's less than being hypocritical.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
166. Actual quote: "Fuck you, Mr. President, you piece of shit used-car salesman."
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:04 PM
Mar 2014

What I've learned about the Affordable Care Act
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10024685964

Your fabricated quote: "Obama is a piece of shit"

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
168. I hate seeing it repeated
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:10 PM
Mar 2014

Yet Dan seems to proudly repeat the made up term time and again.

It really is pissing me off. Thank you, OnyxCollie, for pointing this out.

Were I a believer in the jury system, I would alert on the slanderous use of the quotes. As it is, all I can do is nicely try and have Dan act like a real man, see what his words are doing, and delete them all. In short, get those words of his off DU.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
338. Presumably I've been alerted on several times by now.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:15 AM
Mar 2014

Guess the jury disagrees with this grammatical revisionism nonsense. But it's funny how far people will go to try and defend Will Pitt.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
251. Ah horseshit.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:42 PM
Mar 2014

You don't remember the "Gays are racists!" campaign over Rick Warren? Do you deny people screech "ODS!" at anything vaguely critical of Obama?

Your delusions don't concern me, other than they shouldn't go unchallenged.

Y'all nail yourselves to crosses on a fairly regular basis when people give you back half what you dish out.

I was actually trying to be neutral giving you "Obama is a piece of shit" is actually a regularly championed belief on here, instead of something spoken one time that y'all will cling to to the end of time to prove how persecuted you are, which is the unfortunate reality.

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
97. Nailed it!
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:24 PM
Mar 2014

IMHO, perfect examples of bipartisan maintenance of expansion and war, and the market system.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
99. If Obama can pull off another Game-Changer like the ACA, then he might well
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:26 PM
Mar 2014

stand shoulder-to-shoulder with FDR, who cranked through multiple major social reforms.

As it is, Obama is a very good president, but only a GREAT president in the shadow contrast of the former administration.
I do think he's a great PERSON, but as a president, he's got some major issues dogging him, that need to be resolved. (Drones, spying, willingness to deal on social safety net budgets, etc)

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
132. During the Bush years, I saw the same exact type of thing...
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:08 PM
Mar 2014

.....over at freerepublic. Adoration. Transference. Projection.

There was a group of women freepers who had a daily thread dedicated to photos of Bush. They would gush and coo, and talk about him as if he were their husband, and project all their ideal traits for a husband onto George.

It was gagging.

I hate to see the same kind of thing going on here.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
140. It doesn't surprise me that you and others like you here don't see the hypocrisy of your statement
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:24 PM
Mar 2014

OMG a political forum on the internet where members of the political party of the president are supportive! The shame, THE SHAME!


That's what anyone would expect. And btw, I see no one here doing anything close to what you are suggesting (members talking as if Obama was their husband).

What is expected is to have political discourse and debate on the POLICIES of said president, which I think is successfully accomplished here but not at the site you mentioned.

What isn't expected is to have members of a political party refer to their own president in the often disrespectful way that is done here and to have that disrespect tolerated and even championed.

Oh, and I should add... what is downright shameful is that you (and others like you here) compare members of this forum to members of the forum you mentioned.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
156. what do you think about the recent comparison...
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:50 PM
Mar 2014

....of some DU-ers who voted for Obama but disagree with his policies to "Taliban and Teabaggers"?

Hmm?

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
160. It doesn't matter what I think, what matters is what is being done.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:53 PM
Mar 2014

By asking that, you are acting like a child who is in trouble but saying your sister also did something wrong. The problem is, even if what you say is true, it doesn't excuse the comparison made by you (and others).

That being said, I think that comparison would be in appropriate as well.

 

DesMoinesDem

(1,569 posts)
103. No cult of personality here
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:30 PM
Mar 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110213860

or here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110218021

or here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110213185

Nope, that looks like perfectly normal behavior from someone that has in noway emotionally attached themselves to the personality of Obama. They just happen to agree with his position on everything and that's why they like him. He just needs to let them know what his position is first.



sheshe2

(83,138 posts)
373. Hey, Thanks for promoting my threads!!!!!!
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:04 PM
Mar 2014

So very kind of you! I know, I know it's just sickening that some people on DU support this President.

Oh you forgot this one~

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110218640

and this comment~

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110218640#post15

Shhhh! Don't tell Skinner that he belongs to a cult~

" No cult of personality here"


Or, Oh My!~

"Nope, that looks like perfectly normal behavior from someone that has in noway emotionally attached themselves to the personality of Obama. They just happen to agree with his position on everything and that's why they like him. He just needs to let them know what his position is first."

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
104. I have three of the worst on ignore.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:32 PM
Mar 2014

Between the fawning photo tributes to the "la-la-la-la I can't hear you" attitude towards very real , very serious issues directly related to actions and/or policies by O -- it was clear this was about supporting him personally, 100%, regardless.

That type of attitude is dangerous. Countries get into trouble with a populace that thinks that way.

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
116. Very true.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:45 PM
Mar 2014

I think that ones being publicly horse-whipped were the ones with the greatest "hope for change" that fell hardest and the "la-la-la-la I can't hear you" can't see that.

I don't use ignore, I can't be a collaborator.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
107. About using the term O____B__ here at DU.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:35 PM
Mar 2014

You guys can continue on this trail. I have decided to subtract from my donation to DU each time one of these irritating call outs pops up. If enough folks do this maybe we can get a decision from the admins about why Democratic supporters should be continually defending themselves on a Democratic board!

treestar

(82,383 posts)
351. and being called the trolls!
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 09:24 AM
Mar 2014

Like it is normal to cut up one's own side and the people one voted for constantly.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
383. Yup...
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:07 PM
Mar 2014

the new normal. The funny thing is that much of the back and forth here rings out like a discussion with my rethug family members. There is a tone, timber and rhythm that sounds pretty familiar to me. I used to join in discussion frequently but now find myself reading headlines, stories and moving on. Have a good one, Kim

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
125. If you don't see them, you aren't looking.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:01 PM
Mar 2014

There are certain DUers who try to shout down or deflect any criticisms of the administration. I don't use the term Obamabot but I recognize zealotry.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
151. That simply nails down the truth.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:48 PM
Mar 2014

I would add that if you can't see the attempts to smear his critics, you aren't looking.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
127. There has always been a right/left divide on DU. Establishment vs Anti-establishment.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:03 PM
Mar 2014

Moderates vs Progressives, Party Loyalists vs Freethinkers, Capitalists vs Socialists, etc, etc, etc.

"Differences of opinion are what make horse races." Mark Twain

Gore1FL

(20,993 posts)
133. I think the messiah, savior, and one rhetoric comes from the tea party.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:09 PM
Mar 2014

At least that is where it originated. I've never seen anyone here use it.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
154. If the most, and only, important thing about Snowden's revelation of NSA overreach is that
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:49 PM
Mar 2014

that it happened while Obama is president, and happened ONLY because Obama is president, then you are an Obamabot.
Viewing every single thing through that lens - that is what I think of when I think Obamabot.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
159. Bullseye. That is one way to tell, if everything is personalized to Obama, whatever the issue
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:52 PM
Mar 2014

They can't see the big picture, or even two-three years from now when Obama will be a fading memory as a new president takes office. To the very devoted, it is always about Obama.

Solomon

(12,300 posts)
190. Lol. You guys are hilarious!
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:08 PM
Mar 2014

"That is one way to tell, if everything is personalized to Obama"

Isn't this exactly what Pitt did when he jumped the shark?! And make no mistake about it, he definitely jumped the shark. The fact that you guys are trying to parse words, "he didn't really call him a piece of shit" is proof that he went to far.

The op is spot on. There's no equivalency between the few people that fawn over the president, and the " you piece of shit used car salesman, fuck you"! that was recommended by so many.

Pitt fucked up. Get over it.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
177. Then you haven't opened your eyes while being on a DU page
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:36 PM
Mar 2014

or you are just purposely being obtuse and divisive.

Yeah, let's see, those who are critics of Obama because they are defending the constitution and democracy vs. those who defend Obama even when he thwarts democracy and ignores the constitution, who attempt to stifle any and all criticism of Obama - they even have a group to do just that where they also post teen fan zine type threads (oh sure, there's no "Obamabots" (your term) on here ) - and who think he has done absolutely nothing wrong or even poorly in the least.

No it could not be more obvious which side has gone off the deep end. Sadly you still got it wrong.



DanTex

(20,709 posts)
206. Funny, with all the sound and fury about these Obamabots, no links to support any of it.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:27 PM
Mar 2014

Maybe the part of the internet with the Obamabot posts somehow got deleted from the internet.

revmclaren

(2,487 posts)
186. I for one have made a pledge to myself...
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:03 PM
Mar 2014

that I will never again read, respond to or REC an op by the 'Piece of shit used car salesman' poster or anyone who Reced the op. I have absolutely no respect for them or any ideas or spew that comes from them. I am not alone on this. As a lurker who reads much more here than he posts, I guess I see things a bit more non-partisan than most high number members. Very sad too because maybe one or more of them could have informed me on real issues or good political ideas, but I don't listen to RWers that spew hatred, why should I listen to the 'good' liberals here that do the same. I also think that the 'I have higher recs than you' crowd need to remember that 100 recs is an infinitesimal percentage of the actual members on DU. Just saying....

Oh, and if you are on the rec list from the offensive post, don't bother trying to respond to me....remember the 'no respect, no response thingy'.

revmclaren

(2,487 posts)
325. Drains a person...
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:40 AM
Mar 2014

but also makes us even more determined to get out and vote and keep the senate and take back the house. The negativity here is having a backfire effect. There will be a lot more like me if it continues. That's the good thing to come out of it.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
201. This thread inspired me to rec Will Pitt's thread
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:24 PM
Mar 2014

It has been over a week since a man whose wife is facing life threatening medical issues posted some words out of frustration.

Would I use the words Will Pitt used? No.

Just because I would not use those words does not mean I can not show some empathy for a man who is trying to help his wife and is clearly frustrated by the roadblocks he has had to face.

Quite frankly I think all these threads attacking a long time DUer in the midst of a family crisis are disturbing. People need to have some empathy and realize that sometimes people get extremely frustrated in the midst of a family crisis, it is time for DU to show Will Pitt and his family some support right now rather than continue posting threads attacking him.

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
349. awww you swarm so cutely!
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 09:15 AM
Mar 2014

Don't worry Bobbie Jo, you are most definitely on plenty of folks ignore list.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
356. You're a busy little worker bee yourself.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 09:59 AM
Mar 2014


btw....worker bees need frequent breaks, hope yours was relaxing and all that.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
362. If by "good beating"
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:00 AM
Mar 2014

you mean endless whining and call-outs from a few handfuls of angry posters that made GD unreadable for days that spread into MIRT and undermined their stated mission all because some people couldn't let it the fuck go...then yeah I guess you could say that.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
245. Except the "Obamabots" were the ones who gave Will the most good advice
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:23 PM
Mar 2014

and actually tried to help him resolve the issue.

The people agreeing and reccing offered little useful advice, they were happy to make it all about the President and the ACA rather than doing their best to resolve the actual situation at hand.

Will would have been better off asking for advice and exhausting all possibilities first rather than making a political point in the middle of an ongoing situation and saying it wasn't worth trying any other options.

Cha

(295,541 posts)
334. The posters who were trying to help him also let it be known that they didn't condone
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:12 AM
Mar 2014

his calling the President "pos shit used car salesman" and "fuck him with all my heart and soul".. but, of course that's all swept under the rug.. and they're the ones with "holes in their hearts".

And, you know what.. it doesn't matter how long a poster has been on here.. if we're wrong we're wrong.

Skittles

(152,918 posts)
239. I don't see them because I have them on Ignore
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:07 PM
Mar 2014

I have no use for people who treat Obama as if he is incapable of making mistakes

mvd

(65,143 posts)
243. Hi Skittles!
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:15 PM
Mar 2014

How have you been?

I am in the middle of the two Obama positions and sometimes that is hard on the Democratic/progressive message boards. I think he gave away way too much leverage to the Repukes (especially to start), but I still am united against the Reoukes and the damage they want to do. And I do think Obama has done some good things.

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
252. There is no doubt there are Republicans posing as DUers in here. Keep your eyes open
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:49 PM
Mar 2014

They later post their comments and deeds on conservative websites.

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
255. DU is currently riddled with GOPers and Naderites pretending to be libs.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:05 PM
Mar 2014

It's unfortunate, because I consider DU awesome. I suppose they've hit on this little trick, pretending to be libs and dissuading Dems. I suppose some will fall for this shit.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
261. Just make sure you dont lump in the wrong people with them
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:31 PM
Mar 2014

There are alot of us that criticize both the Dems in Congress and the Prez when they are to the right on positions we have been continually fighting for.

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
266. IF there is any confusion (and I'm not entirely sure when and where) it is because
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:38 PM
Mar 2014

when Repukes use propaganda and lies, and I see that same Repuke propaganda and those same Repuke lies used (and I know they are propaganda and lies), and the person using them then follows them up by saying he/she is a libs, sorry, but I MUST question it.

lumpy

(13,704 posts)
275. Apparently now Obama swerves to the right on positions? Do you have any idea what it takes to
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:29 PM
Mar 2014

get legislation passed? Especially with the hide bound Congress Obama is saddled with.
Give me an example of how Obama is 'to the right on positions'. What positions?

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
278. Yes he is to the right on alot of issues that have been important for a long time on here
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:46 PM
Mar 2014

But I think you know that.

DU has always tended to be to on the left side of the Democratic party as a whole.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
337. Classic GOP technique since the CREEP - campaign to re-elect the president - Nixon. They have never
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:59 AM
Mar 2014
stopped using the technique and we see it applied here at DU every single day. Are the ones posting GOP or simply deluded into thinking they are accomplishing anything but depressing the vote every day?

There is no way of telling, but opinions are not formed the week before elections. The sour taste in the mouth from seeing all the contempt and memes used to discourage voters throughout the year is very, very effective.

I'd hate to think that so many claim to be Democrats are really so gullible and as badly informed as Teabaggers. Yet that's how much of it looks.

Here is a thread about that technique if you have not seen it and the history of its success. There is big money behind in many venues. I hope you will give it a read:

The term 'Ratfucking' and how it applies to Obama and Democrats




Don Segretti 4.0, A Teabagger Nation

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110215862

 

idendoit

(505 posts)
277. Put into context, I think, neither of these speeches is surprising.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:40 PM
Mar 2014

The first one is from the Lincoln-Douglas debate. Abe's trying to get elected by the whole country. The second is after Congress has declared war. Until Churchill convinced him that the British were serious about standing up to the Nazis, by sinking/disabling a good chunk of the French fleet at Mers-el-Kebir, Roosevelt had to appease an isolationist Congress and public. He made stump speeches in the 1940 campaign, promising to keep the US out of the war in Europe.

 

idendoit

(505 posts)
384. So far as I know, Lincoln published the texts from the debates in a book.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 06:22 PM
Mar 2014

The popularity of that book and the widespread coverage of the debates eventually led to his nomination.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
289. Well, you didn't commit the ultimate sin of saying that Nader
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:34 PM
Mar 2014

cost Gore the 2000 election and hence is was the enabler of GW Bush and the horrors that Bush/Cheney brought us. You didn't commit the ultimate sin, so the purists may be satisfied with you only slathering yourself with pork-chop grease and hopping a pen of lions.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
293. All the peeps running around finding Obamabots under every bed
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:05 PM
Mar 2014

are the same peeps yammering about how they ignore all the Obamabots.

So I guess that clears up both claims, doesn't it?

p.s. K'n'R

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
315. You should've posted FDR's sentiment about the Native Americans.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:45 PM
Mar 2014

Dude was a real piece of work on that one.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
317. Obamabot reporting for duty! Been called one since 2008 online. (Warning: Obama pictures!)
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:47 PM
Mar 2014

Been called one since 2008 online. It was better than the other names I earned, like godless, pinko, commie, tree hugger, lie-beral, demon-rat, man hater, pervert, baby killer, and one closest to Obamabot, an n-lover.

Really, it's the same thing no matter where you go, at least I thought it'd be better here on DU2. Now I'm an cheerleader, worshipper, mindless sheeple, authoritarian swooner, fascist, fanboy and a few other things by now. For I am legion, and I contain multitudes. Und now, I vill punish you with pictures:











And last, but not least :



Cha

(295,541 posts)
323. "Dirty Fucking Hippies".. "Obamabot" we own them, fresh. Wait for it.. Obamabots coming
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:06 AM
Mar 2014

for you.. Be afraid.. be very afraid..



Thanks for the Obama Pics.. Rofl

Pres Obama looks like he had a big Easter Eve celebration.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
324. Yes, those names and a lot more! Beware, we's acoming for ya! Muahaha!
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:19 AM
Mar 2014


P. S. It was either Barack or Michelle who said going through the many traditional ceremonies they are asked to do at the White House was a bit surreal. Like living in Disneyland, I think was the term used.

Obama looks like he's thinking in the first photo with the Easter Bunny I posed, 'Why as the President of the United States, am I required to pose with a Harvey the Pookah size Bunny Rabbit at Easter?'

Well, it turns out that Bunny has a lot more power than anyone would have ever thought:


http://cherokeetribune.com/view/full_story/6935548/article-A-history-of-the-White-House-Easter-Egg-Roll?instance=secondary_story_left_column

One more of Barack and the Bunny:

US President Singing the National Anthem with the Easter Bunny of the Day





http://www.dailyedge.ie/us-president-singing-the-national-anthem-with-the-easter-bunny-of-the-day-412377-Apr2012/

Warning! Bush pics follow:


Bush standing next to Boss Bunny.



And again:



Okay, was he really in charge?


This guy at the Daily Mail said:

By George, how we'll miss him


Perhaps Umbrellaigate was the GOP and their media's way to get revenge for this event?


Windblown in 2004: I should've got me a nuckular umbrella

Unbelievable gallery here:


Mission accomplished: I've won the war on terriers

Is that him giving America the kiss off as he left the White House? The captions are hilarious I don't think anyone but media is missing the Shrub, but these are good pics:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1082805/By-George-miss-him.html

area51

(11,851 posts)
353. If you haven't seen any Obamabots here
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 09:29 AM
Mar 2014

then you aren't looking. There are posters here with the same mindless cheerleading as republicans toward GWBush.

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