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Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:17 AM

The Obamabots moniker was coined by the RW...and used by those who lean that direction.

it's a shitty name to describe his supporters

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Reply The Obamabots moniker was coined by the RW...and used by those who lean that direction. (Original post)
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Response to Demonaut (Original post)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:35 AM

1. I was thinking the same thing about the "flaming emo-progs" moniker.

 

Actually, is it better or worse if a pejorative is coined by those who used to be on the same team......

Also, appending 'bots" onto anything at all is not a GOP invention.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:49 AM

4. Neither one of them are helpful.

I don't understand why supposed Democrats feel the need to use pejoratives on each other, regardless of how vehemently they might disagree. This is all just more "divide and conquer".

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:28 PM

27. but what they SHOULD do is support Democrats....but somehow some think hatred is support.

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #27)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:33 PM

30. Now, you're stalking me?

Welcome to my ignore list.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #30)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:36 PM

32. because I replied I am stalking you?

 

wow...talk about paranoid! Must have struck a raw nerve huh?

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #32)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:33 PM

114. Nope. Not at all.

No nerves struck. Just don't understand why you keep harping on me when I told you I'm not interested in engaging in a fight over whatever bug you have up your ass.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #114)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:52 PM

120. Thought I was on your ignore list? Guess not

 

And people simply replying to you are neither stalking nor "harping" on you....do you have some kind of complex? This is a FORUM for that sort of thing you know...

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #120)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 09:02 PM

127. You are now.

Adios.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #127)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 09:04 PM

128. Good I win!

 

buh bye!

SMDH...why people think THEIR ignore list is such harsh punishment cracks me up...


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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #128)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:05 AM

162. Public meltdown

 

in slow motion.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #27)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:08 PM

71. Yes, and I've noticed they're not thinking logically or strategically at all. nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #71)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:11 PM

73. NOT at all...they don't get it....that the mushy middle votes for what appears to be the Winner...

 

and if you are constantly bashing democrats thinking this is going to help move the country to the Left....you are sadly mistaken. The circular firing squad doesn't look like winning.....

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #73)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:19 PM

79. Exactly, Vanilla. I'm very much a leftist (probably too much) but if we don't get the Repugs out...

it won't matter if we're moderate lib, hard-leaning lib, or any sort of lib. It just won't matter if we waste votes, as was done with Nader. It's been tried, and it doesn't work. The only thing that WILL work is to turn the country to sanity again and away from right wing ideology, and to vote out the GOP. From there, we move forward and left.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #79)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:55 PM

124. They just got to understand we will NOT win by bashing Democrats....

 

there is nothing wrong with constructive criticism...but what is allowed to go on on DU is beyond the pale. I hope there is soon going to be a cut off point for this riff raff....it is NOT productive to allow it to continue much longer...

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #124)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:29 PM

141. I'm hoping for the same. The bashing of Democrats should not be tolerated. nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #141)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:30 PM

142. the midterms are getting closer and closer...

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #142)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:34 PM

143. Yup, and the GOPers are pouring lots of $ into propaganda and lies nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #143)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:37 PM

144. and then those lies somehow manage to spill over into DU....imagine that...

 

but its just "constructive criticism" after all. There is no hate on DU!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #144)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:43 PM

146. Whatever the GOPers are most against, is what I'm most in favor of, so right now I'm more pro-Obama

than ever.

If there were not so much bashing by the Repukes and by the tiny handful of negative so-called libs, I might perhaps look at President Obama more closely. With a magnifying glass, even. But the insane attacks by the GOP and by the tiny handful of libs, is making me love that man.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #146)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:45 PM

147. TOTALLY on board with you Sarah...if the ACA is so bad that they try to repeal it 51 times so far...

 

it MUST be great!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #147)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:49 PM

148. Yup! This is the first version of the first plan to offer health care to all, and I am excited

about it. No one else has ever even come close to anything. No one else had ever offered anything that helped insured the uninsurable. No one ever has had this success, and he did it despite the hatred and refusal of Repugs. I'm grateful and very glad.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #148)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:51 PM

149. Yes me too....very much so...

 

I am grateful.....even if some jerks are taking their benefit and then running it into the ground like the hypocrites they are...

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #124)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:07 AM

163. Then stop bashing Democrats

 

And live by your own words.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:35 PM

52. But who made up the "emo-progs" moniker?

Some of these seem to be self-inflicted insults made up by people trying to stir things up.

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Response to CJCRANE (Reply #52)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:13 PM

75. I have not even seen that used....and I have been here a while...

 

it might have been used at one time....but saying someone is "emotional" is hardly the same as calling someone a non-thinking robot.

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Response to CJCRANE (Reply #52)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 09:41 PM

131. Spamdan? Smarty? Cesca? There's a never-ending supply of...

Sensible Centrist crap blogs to chose from, but think it was People's Spew.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:47 PM

105. at least you admit it is intended as a pejorative.

 

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #105)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:55 AM

161. Yes, but who invented it and why?

One DUer posted an OP about "Moonbats" which is a term DUers have never used against each other, which is what I mean by self-inflicted.

Sometimes there is an attempt to create a perception by inserting pejoratives and unnecessary namecalling into the debate.

(In fact, IIRC it was the same poster who popularized the term "emo-progs".

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Response to Demonaut (Original post)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:37 AM

2. It doesn't describe supporters. It describes fanatics.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:08 PM

5. And are you the one who makes that oh-so objective delineation?

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:46 PM

6. Why, yes. Yes I am.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:54 PM

11. Well, at least you pretend to be..

Well, at least you pretend to be... and for many people, the pretense is all that matters.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:26 PM

15. Thanks for clearing that up for us. (And Bill O'Reilly says "thanks". He was tired ...

of being universally recognized as the most self-important person on the planet.)

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:57 PM

67. "Fanatics" is also a slur, which you use to describe anyone who approves of Obama's actions

more than you do.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #67)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:00 PM

86. Bullshit. It is a slur, to be sure, but my standard for application is not "approves more than me."

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It is more like "demonstrates a lack of capacity to put principles before party" when defending the current president for stuff that would in no way get a pass for the former president that's the base of my standard.


Bottom line is, If you act like the president wears a red S on his shirt just because he has a D after his name, when clearly some aspect of his behavior and policy positions are more in line with people who are proud to pull the lever in the voting booth for the candidate from the party identified by the letter R, then G, I think you might be a hypocritical fanatic.


I support the president on Facebook and in conversation with my less politically oriented friends. I vote for democrats always because I know the republican alternative is insane. I sell President Obama and democrats in general as the better alternative much more than I critique them, but when I'm in the big tent, when I'm surrounded by democrats who are for the patriot act, after they were against it, I need to weigh in and help lend voice to the "extremist liberal left" that said position and others like it are not acceptable to all democrats.

I put myself out there... I put my brand on the line when I spread the word about the Democratic party. I do not want to sell republican lite. I want to sell progressive principles. I want to sell change I can believe in.

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Response to Demonaut (Original post)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:40 AM

3. YES! Same with "Obama Zombies", a title of a book

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama_Zombies

The official summary of the book begins: "For an entire year, otherwise clear-thinking members of the most affluent, over-educated, information-drenched generation in American history fell prey to the most expensive, hi-tech, laser-focused marketing assault in presidential campaign history." According to publisher Simon and Schuster, Mattera "reveals the jaw-dropping lengths Barack Obama and his allies in Hollywood, Washington, and Academia went to in order to transform a legion of iPod-listening, MTV-watching followers into a winning coalition that threatens to become a long-lasting political realignment." [1]


The book of on a shoddy premise by calling Millennials the "most affluent" during a recession.

The author went on Thom Hartmann to discuss the book:



And David Pakman




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Response to Demonaut (Original post)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:51 PM

7. ODS was also coined by the RW when it was known as BDS..

so, if the foo shits......

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Response to Demonaut (Original post)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:55 PM

8. Claiming a term was invented by the other side is a typical RW maneuver

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:55 PM

12. As is rationalizing a pejorative...

As is rationalizing the continued use of a pejorative...

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:48 PM

17. LOL

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:39 PM

54. He's claiming it was invented by RWers which is probably true

if you think back to the first times the term was used, and judging by these definitions:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Obamabot

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Response to CJCRANE (Reply #54)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:18 PM

77. Linking to Urbandictionary is another well known RW tactic

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #77)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:19 PM

80. You're just going to call everything RW now aren't you?

That's a well-known RW tactic!

(Yes I get the joke now!)


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Response to Demonaut (Original post)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:41 PM

9. One still has to wonder

what place that moniker has on this site, anyway. As posters on DemocraticUnderground, shouldn't we all be supporting the (Democratic) President and wanting him to do well?

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Response to Jamaal510 (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:49 PM

18. When he does Democratic things, sure

When he does not-so-Democratic (as in the party) things? Not so much.

Asked and answered a million times on DU...are we supposed to support him because of the D behind his name, or based on his actions and policies?

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Response to LondonReign2 (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:57 PM

19. You're supposed to give him the benefit of a doubt when possible.

 

But some want to call Obama a 'piece of shit' or blame him for 'expanding' the NSA instead of reigning it in. That kind of juvenile nonsense does a disservice to everyone.

Call him to account when necessary but don't play games.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to LondonReign2 (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:08 PM

43. What a way to divide

and create schisms. What are "Democratic" things? This is absurd. When he has to compromise because congress is full of Republicans?

He's not all powerful. Now there's a Tea party Congress. And they go unusually out of their way to be oppositional due to their racism.
that calls for support of the first Black President. When they wouldn't agree on the budget, for example. We know why they would not agree and made it as tough as possible and shut down the government.

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Response to Jamaal510 (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:29 PM

28. EXACTLY!

 

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Response to Jamaal510 (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:51 PM

33. Teddy?....Would you take this one?

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole.

Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right.

Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. [font size=3]To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.[/font]"

T. Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star,
May 7, 1918




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Response to bvar22 (Reply #33)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:10 PM

44. Irrelevant.

Nobody said that. But on a board for Democrats, people who think a Democrat is always wrong are to be wondered at. Never did Teddy say we must do nothing but criticize. And find lame reasons to, because we just have to in order to prove we are too cool to support anybody in an office.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #33)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:33 PM

51. Adding to or changing my sig with that one.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #33)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:39 PM

55. perfect

Thank you.

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Response to Jamaal510 (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:07 PM

87. So, I should support cuts to social security, NSA excesses? This is the

Democratic Underground, a site that supports Democratic policies, not Democratic personalities.

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Response to tsuki (Reply #87)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:25 PM

112. Are any DUers or Obama in favor of cuts to social security and NSA excesses?

Show us, not just your opinion.

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Response to lumpy (Reply #112)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:25 PM

169. Okay,

Thomas Drake
Stephen Jim-Woo Kim
Jeffery Sterling
Chelsea Manning
Liebowitz
Assange
The Third Way
Peter G. Peterson
CPI
Catfood Commission
Chris Hedges
Matt Taibbi



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Response to Demonaut (Original post)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:55 PM

13. Good to see you posting again! Wow, 2003.

 

What you been up to all this time?

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Response to Rex (Reply #13)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:20 PM

14. I'm here everyday, I read but rarely post..I'm seeing more division than ever now on DU

and it makes me frustrated

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Response to Demonaut (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:08 PM

20. I've pretty well given up.

 

The more occasions of that vile 'Obama the shit guy' type of post, the more room and opportunity there is for the RWs to come slithering in. And they are coming in great numbers because they have cover from some who have been here for a long while. The bar keeps getting lower and lower and lower.

For gosh sakes There are 'impeach Obama' ads here, there were some awful RW ads against Wendy Davis displayed here. Why shouldn't the fuckers think they belong here when they browser the site before registering, it sounds like it's their kind of place.

The midterms will suffer and there is a possibility of a Repug Pres up next.

THEN the screaming will still be about Obama - he was such an awful man to LET that happen. I can hear the familiar voices/clicky keyboards already.

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Response to Demonaut (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:11 PM

21. I can understand why you are so frustrated.

 

nt.

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Response to Demonaut (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:48 PM

24. So how do you feel about the terms ODS, hater, firebagger, emoprog etc...?

Surely those upset you as well then right? Where is your mention of those? Or do you not think those are divisive?

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Response to cui bono (Reply #24)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:26 PM

26. Riiiight, because any expression of frustration that fails to include YOUR pet peeve ...

is invalid, correct?
Shit, I should probably thank you for so quickly offering up such a sterling example of what is beginning to make DU suck. In the meantime, here's a friendly suggestion: If you have a particular concern START YOUR OWN MOTHER-FUCKING THREAD! But for fuck's sake don't expect every poster to address every issue that has your knickers in a twist.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #26)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:53 PM

34. I'm merely finding out if the concern is even handed or not.

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I made no mention of any pet peeve. Where have I ever stated that that is my pet peeve? Please provide a link to that. Thanks.

Why, exactly, is asking if there is an even handed criticism "such a sterling example of what is beginning to make DU suck."? I don't understand. Please explain.

As to the rest of your post, do you not think that is "a sterling example of what is beginning to make DU suck."? Or is that how you would like all of us to post?

And btw... I purposely do not use "Obamabot" as it is divisive. How do you like them apples?

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #26)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:04 PM

40. Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: alerter needs to leave
Get some fresh air, whatever, just leave
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Can we just work on being a little bit more civil please?
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Meh. The language is vulgar/coarse, but I don't see the post as over the top.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Seems like a pretty level-headed response to an immensely ridiculous question. Seriously, what was the point of CB's post at all? And to answer CB's later question, yes there should be more fucks in threads. If I knew and ogre and a donkey I'd try to find them a Fucks in Threads to hang out with.

lol

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #40)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:31 PM

50. Shows that people do not understand what being a juror means.

It would be laughable if it weren't so pathetic.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #50)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:02 PM

68. No. It's clear that *you* don't understand

Juries exist to weed out patently disingenuous trolling and outright abuse. They don't exist to impose a minority ideology on the Democratic mainstream by baiting DUers into making intemperate remarks.

If you want to deriding those who talk about "ODS" (e.g. "Obama Derangement Syndrome" - blaming Obama for everything that has happens that you don't like in the U.S., even (or especially) when it was actually started long before he was President - go ahead. Hell, I'll be more than happy to implicitly kick such a piece by pointing out how much extremists on both ends of the spectrum do this.

But do it in your own thread.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Response to cui bono (Reply #50)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:45 PM

104. How the fuck did this place survive prior to Nov. 2, 2005?

We all need to get down on our knees right this very minute and give thanks that we have you here now to explain to us mere mortals how things ought to work!

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Response to cui bono (Reply #50)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:56 PM

170. I think juror #5 pretty neatly skewered your post. nt

 

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #40)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:12 PM

89. And what did Juror #6 say??

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Response to Number23 (Reply #89)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 06:29 AM

165. Nuthin' Honey ... eom

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Response to cui bono (Reply #24)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:11 PM

45. there's no term that you'd accept as fair

or wouldn't be an attempt at labeling yourselves with some reasonable label you do not deserve.



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Response to treestar (Reply #45)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:30 PM

49. What? So you'd like a deragatory term that the other side would approve of?

Haha...

That, of course, was not the point of my post at all. The point was that the OP is only complaining about one derogatory term aimed at a particular group of people. So in the interest of finding out if they were even handed or biased I asked if them about the other terms.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #24)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:42 PM

57. yesterday the terms "Taliban" and "Teabaggers" were added to that list.

Democrats who voted for Obama were termed "Taliban" for their policy differences with Obama.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #57)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:46 PM

59. Wow.

This place has sunk so low. I regret having donated to support this crap.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #57)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:48 PM

60. Where's the link? I don't believe that came from a genuine DUer. nt

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Response to grasswire (Reply #65)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:17 PM

76. Except she didn't say anything about Democrats.

It was a slur against Greenwald.

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Response to CJCRANE (Reply #76)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:18 PM

78. wrong

Read the whole post again.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #78)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:59 PM

84. Wow, your reading comprehension sucks.

 

That DUer was quoting Kos & she said from the quote "Frankly, the only people whose moral assessments of Obama resemble Greenwald's are the Taliban and the Tea Party."

That was just wrong to try & spin it the way you did.

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Response to giftedgirl77 (Reply #84)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:14 PM

90. I said nearly the same thing in my response to that poster. Amazing what some around here

will try to get away with. No distortion or flat out lie too big.

The whole block of text was a quote from the Kos article. I didn't type anything but the bit at the bottom.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #90)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:29 PM

94. EXACTLY

You affirmed the Kos poster's sentiment that people who agree with Greenwald are Taliban/Teaparty. You said it was TRUTH. Many people who are good Democrats are in agreement with Greenwald's criticisms of Obama. Ergo, in your mind and that of the Kos member, Taliban/Teaparty.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #94)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:37 PM

96. Don't expect them to have enough character admit that.

 

The comment was sickening enough, and Number 23's quoting it and zestfully clapping for it was even more gross. Denying it means what it very obviously means when called on it is, I think, to expected from such a person.

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Response to Marr (Reply #96)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:40 PM

101. thank you

The zest with which that sentence was applauded! Bolded, even, for emphasis!

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Response to grasswire (Reply #94)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:12 PM

107. Are agreeing and "affirming" the same thing?

Frankly, the only people whose moral assessments of Obama resemble Greenwald's are the Taliban and the Tea Party.

That is the quote. There is no reference to Democrats which you (and the person who just simply had to chime in to this exchange as he is simply compelled to do so EVERY TIME HE SEES MY NAME) are seeing. The comment was in reference to the type of people that share Greenwald's unhinged and paranoid assessment of this president.

The fact that you (and my exceptionally well noted stalker) have ascribed this as a trait belonging to Democrats is unwise. Most Democrats don't share Greenwald's assessment of Obama in any way shape or form as numerous and well documented opinion and policy polling have shown for some time. How very interesting that you believe that and are getting so bent out of shape over it.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #90)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:43 PM

103. Indentions & quotation marks just kick some people's

 

asses I guess. This place blows my mind.

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Response to giftedgirl77 (Reply #103)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:18 PM

109. "Indentations and quote marks just kick some people's asses" Indeed!

With poll after poll after poll showing very clearly how the Dem base feels about this president, the fact that anyone here thinks that Greenwald speaks for some large section of Dems blows my mind too.

Almost as much as the ability some have to never pass up an opportunity to display their unhealthy fascination with other posters. That REALLY blows my mind.

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Response to giftedgirl77 (Reply #84)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:25 PM

93. who is "she"?

Please tell me.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #93)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:38 PM

99. Number 23, post 101, in post 65 of this thread

 

in which you have provided a link trying to back up a previous statement that DUers were comparing democrats to the Taliban & the Tea Party.

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Response to giftedgirl77 (Reply #99)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:41 PM

102. okay, I get it

Palsies. BFF, perhaps.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #102)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:20 PM

111. "Palsies. BFF, perhaps."

Is that supposed to mean anything? So someone who calls out your really sad attempts to mischaracterize what I'm saying is somehow my BFF? This new line of attack is even more feeble than your first one, and almost as dishonest.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #111)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:34 PM

116. you are the attacker, remember

You are the one who strongly approved of the statement that those who agree with Greenwald (presumably meaning many Democrats here) are Taliban/Teapartiers.

If that is not what you intended by your bolding the statement, calling the statement TRUTH and posting it here on DU, perhaps you could tell us why you did just that.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #116)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:45 PM

117. Because I agreed with the statement. Just about every place I've seen the same level of unhinged

spittle flying stupidity that matches Greenwald's really obvious dislike of this President comes from Tea Partiers and other assorted lunatics. Contrary to what you believe, people here have the right to agree or disagree with statements. If that bothers you, take it up with George Washington.

The fact that you have to lie and say that I or the person I quoted are saying that DEMOCRATS are like the Tea Party/Taliban is the real issue which is why three different people have now called you on it and the one who agreed with you has a well documented history of following me around this site so I wouldn't put too much weight into his opinion. Though I notice that you are now adding that comment could have been "presumably" about Democrats so I guess that's you conceding that you are pulling stuff out of nowhere in order to argue about nothing.

Perhaps you might want to do a little self-reflection and figure out why you are taking that comment so personally. Hit too close to home, did it?

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Response to Number23 (Reply #117)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:53 PM

122. you "agreed with the statement"

I rest my case.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #122)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:55 PM

123. Good. Sounds as though it needs lots of it.

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Response to CJCRANE (Reply #76)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:24 PM

92. Another point that poster refuses (or is unable) to accept

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Response to Demonaut (Original post)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:40 PM

16. But when they own it, I find it similar to Tea Partyers owning the label...

 

Teabaggers until they discover it's a dirty word.

Why I became an "Obamabot"

http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2014/03/why-i-became-obamabot.html

bad idea

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Response to Demonaut (Original post)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:14 PM

22. I don't like the term and don't use it myself

but there are some who will not allow any criticism of the president, his policies, or the ACA.
A lot of us are Obama supporters but we don't think that criticizing the administration is a sign of disloyalty.

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Response to Demonaut (Original post)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:47 PM

23. Can you please provide me with a link to your OP about ODS?

Thanks!

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Response to cui bono (Reply #23)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:32 PM

29. start your own....

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #29)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:55 PM

35. Didn't you get the memo? All threads MUST address that poster's particular ...

concern du jour. Sheesh, get with the program!

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #35)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:02 PM

38. DOH! I forgot!!!

 

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Response to Demonaut (Original post)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:16 PM

25. K&R

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Response to Demonaut (Original post)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:35 PM

31. It seems to have come into vogue here at DU, I am just responding to those making threads about it

 

Hell, one thread proudly claimed the term, and was saying they were proud to be called an Obamabot!

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Response to quinnox (Reply #31)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:03 PM

39. Its called "owning" it....perhaps you might have heard of another perjorative going through that....

 

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Response to Demonaut (Original post)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:56 PM

36. The people who use the term disparagingly here are likley RWers. nt

 

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Response to Demonaut (Original post)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:00 PM

37. And the term ODS was used on Republicans

who went crazy at anything Obama wanted to do. Also, the term "Obama haters" was used in reference to them. Now, both terms are used regularly against anyone here who disagree with domestic spying, TPP, or other things that some think are really bad ideas. I've seen a push lately to "stop bashing Obama."

This post is saying that the derogatory term "Obamabot" shouldn't be used against people who unquestioningly support Obama no matter what the issue. It's as hypocritical as a kid hitting someone, getting hit back, then complaining to the teacher that they got hit.

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #37)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:04 PM

41. and you DOUBT that hatred of Obama exists on DU?

 



the term Obamabots...should not be used by fellow supposed Democrats against those who support the twice elected by majority (do you know how rare that is) DEMOCRATIC President on an DEMOCRATIC forum....and there shouldn't be Democrats that reflect the abject hatred for him in the general population....but somehow but somehow they do...and somehow they expect to NOT get flack for it on a DEMOCRATIC forum...


THAT is the difference....

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #41)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:36 PM

53. You're illustrating my point

Specifically, by calling people "haters." Are there people here who hate everything Obama does? There might be, but I usually find that people like some things Obama does, but dislike others. However, I see people who criticize some things, like warrentless data collection, called haters and accused of having ODS - I've been accused of that - and that completely undermines the argument of the original post.

It would probably be best if both sides stopped using snide terms like hater or Obamabot. It would also help if people considered both sides of arguments rationally.

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #53)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:42 PM

56. Do you deny that hatred exists?

 

is that your problem with it? Do you think NO one on DU is guilty of it because you don't believe in it?

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #56)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:52 PM

64. You're STILL isslustrating my point

As I said, they are possibly people who disagree with everything Obama does. That's not a good way to go - I much prefer to look at each issue separately and form opinions on them. And then there's you. No matter what the issue, you defend Obama then call anyone who disagrees with him a "hater." So when you get mad at people calling you an Obamabot, I really can't have much sympathy.\

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #64)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:54 PM

66. I am proving WHY you are wrong...

 

if you think there is not Obama hatred here....you have not been paying attention....or you are one...THIS is a Democratic forum to support Democrat candidates.....the vitriol should NOT be like this....this is like telling Republicans that the Teabaggers don't exist among them....

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #66)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:10 PM

72. And you're proving that you're a robot more with each post

Each time I point out that there are two sides to the argument, you're response is, "but there are haters!" Furthermore, "But I'm proving why you are wrong, because there are haters." You won't even acknowledge that you do the same thing as the "haters," and appear to be incapable to even considering any argument that doesn't support Obama. Are some things that people say against Obama over the top? Definitely. Then there's you, supporting a person no matter what the issue.

When I can replace you with a 2-line BASIC program and get, essentially, the same result, that illustrates how little you contribute to the conversation.

Yeah I know. "But there are haters!"

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #72)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:12 PM

74. Oh yada yada yada....the PeeWee Herman Defense!

 

I know you are but what am I!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #74)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:20 PM

81. You can't even acknowledge there is another side to the argument

Think of it like this: when all you ever do is come into a discussion and defend Obama, regardless of the issue, you're just adding noise to the conversation. you're not thinking through an argument, just pushing your opinion which remains completely unchanged. You're like a program that takes no input. Why should anyone listen to you? They shouldn't, until you have something useful to offer.

So now any argument I make is just a peewee herman defense? Yeah, you're a robot.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #41)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:48 PM

63. There is no hatred of Obama here. If there is it is perhaps one or two people.

Why do you continue to use the term "hater" when you don't like people to use "Obamabot"?

And which do you think is used more on DU?

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Response to cui bono (Reply #63)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:05 PM

69. baloney! If that were the case this place would be full of much more praise for him....

 

If what you say day after day after day closely resembles what the Right is saying about the President....then YOU might be a hater....If you never ever have a single positive thing to say about President Obama or any other democrat (besides the sainted Elizabeth Warren) on a supposedly Democratic forum...then YOU too might be a hater....If you are here day after day to BASH those that do....you might be a hater...denying you are doesn't necessarily mean you aren't a hater...

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #69)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:38 PM

98. The only reason you think that is because you equate any criticism of policy with hating Obama.

Why is it okay for you to use "hater" when you don't want anyone to use "Obamabot"?

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Response to cui bono (Reply #98)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:53 PM

121. Okay then.....I dare you....say something positive about President Obama...

 

and his policies....

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #121)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:51 AM

157. I'm not your little poodle. I don't bark on command.

And I'm not in jr. high school where I think I have to do whatever someone dares me to do.

If I thought you were interested in having any sort of meaningful conversation I might indulge you, but I know that you are not interested in any such thing, as evidenced by almost every post of yours on DU.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #157)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:29 AM

159. Not surprised I figured you couldn't....

 

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Response to cui bono (Reply #63)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:16 PM

108. Bless your heart. "It's not here." "OK, maybe it's here, but just a little bit." "And anyway ...

your side does it more!"

My sons are young men now, but thanks for the trip down memory lane ... back to when they were two year olds.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #108)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:28 PM

113. How do you think Obama would feel

if he knew his supporters were posting posts such as the ones you keep posting to me today? Do you think he would be proud?

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #41)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:36 PM

95. I got two prime examples of full on raging Obama hate right here..

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Response to Cha (Reply #95)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:19 PM

110. Well yes, one of those posts does exhibit pure hate; the other post childish name calling and

undue blame pointed at the the Prez, sprinkled with some DUers favorite word, Fuck,fucking, fucked etc.

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Response to lumpy (Reply #110)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 09:51 PM

132. Nah, I'm going to go with Two examples of Obama HATE.

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #37)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:15 PM

47. How do you suppose it is unquestioning?

We've had no reason to question our support.

Someone who never finds him in the right on anything ever, really is likely to be a hater. Issue after issue someone comes up with something to use and if we don't fall for that one, they get more and more frustrated they can't get us to join their bashfest.

And you are concluding that your positions on domestic spying and TPP are correct without argument. If we don't agree about those issues, it is not blind support of Obama. It's that we don't agree Obama is a big poppyhead because of those issues. They are all issues so far used, and there will be new ones, to drum up opposition to the Democrats.

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Response to treestar (Reply #47)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:44 PM

58. "We've had no reason to question our support"

So your argument is, "We're right"? That's just as bad as a religious person saying, "You're all going to hell because you don't believe in God" and being unwilling to consider the possibility that they're not. It's faith-based at that point. When things like the TPP or the NSA come up, and you continuously defend Obama no matter what, without, apparently, questioning any of it, then additionally calling other people "haters" or saying they have ODS, then you are behaving like a robot.

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Response to Demonaut (Original post)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:05 PM

42. I just call people who support everything the President says or does unconditionally,

 

adorers and worshipers- which is is a lot less offensive than being called a racist for opposing him on such issues as the TPP or the chained CPI.

And trying to shut people up by insinuating that the only reason they'd criticize him over such things is racism is a much shittier thing to do then calling someone an "Obamabot".

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Response to cali (Reply #42)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:12 PM

46. Egg-zactly. And its not as if the Obama-bots don't toss out names all the time, like "Putinista,

 

libertarian troll, Ron Paul-ite, Obama hater/basher", and so on constantly.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #46)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:48 PM

61. the latest I saw (yesterday)

.....was "Taliban" and "Teabagger"

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Response to cali (Reply #42)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:57 PM

83. I see what you mean but I hope you're not insinuatiing Ive called Du'ers a racist for disagreeing

with some of Obama's actions.

I just see too much infighting and I wonder if we have RW agitators who've found success lately
in creating more dissent and division with some DU'er's who are susceptible to these influences.

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Response to Demonaut (Reply #83)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:51 PM

106. And your thread has not helped the infighting, it has only added to it because you selectively

chose a "side". Why did you do that? Why did you not mention a term used against anyone who criticizes Obama, such as ODS or hater?

If you're going to earnestly complain about infighting you can't fuel the fire.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #106)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:34 PM

115. a side?...I'm a progressive Democrat, I'm not drawing lines in the political sand

and I'm not blindly supporting everything the POTUS does.

An earlier response to this post mentioned I should have tossed in a few more distasteful monikers..and maybe I should've

I didn't

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Response to cali (Reply #42)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:40 PM

100. Check. Your pejorative of choice ... not too bad. Those directed back at you ... shitty .

I have to say, that's pretty fucking convenient.

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Response to cali (Reply #42)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:50 PM

119. How does one determine who adores and worships the Prez unconditionally ?

Doubt that anyone on DU tries to shut up anyone by criticizing them of racism; but if you say so...
If so, I certainly would agree that is a 'shitty thing to do.
Really you should realize that it is insulting to accuse people of merely/only adoring and worshiping Obama without another thought.

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Response to Demonaut (Original post)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:22 PM

48. The "bot" term really has no place here

It's a judgment (often with no basis in reality) that is a shorthand peremptory (syns: brusque, imperious, high-handed, brisk, abrupt, summary, commanding, dictatorial, autocratic, overbearing, dogmatic, arrogant, overweening, lordly, magisterial, authoritarian ) way of simply dismissing a poster out of hand.

People could start appending that insulting suffix to a number of other "types" they perceive to be operational on the board, but would get pretty ugly now, wouldn't it? It might be interesting to start letting the bots fly, to see how people enjoy being labeled in this way.

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Response to Demonaut (Original post)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:48 PM

62. I don't mind it. The folks who use it ...

... tend to think that if you don't agree with their hair-on-fire rantings, you must approve and agree with every action the President has taken. Even things he hasn't actually done.

Let them rant.

They also use "authoritarian", "Fascist", "DLCer", "3rdway" and on and on and on.

The perpetually disgruntled can use what ever terms they want.

This is the internet.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #62)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:08 PM

88. Yep

I think that when one is on a message board for democrats where we support them and try and get them elected, then to actually do such a thing, supporting the president and democrats, wouldn't be such a bad thing. I would think it would be better than say supporting known "libertarians" and making those libertarians into some kind of hero.







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Response to Demonaut (Original post)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:08 PM

70. If rw started it then glenn greenwald picked it up real fast.. calling Obama's SUPPORTERS that..

but, I'd sure as hell rather be called an "Obamabot" than a greenwaldot-bot whatever.

Besides we own Obamabot now and Obamacare.. just like we own "Dirty Fucking Hippies"



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Response to Demonaut (Original post)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:30 PM

82. False premise. I thought up "Obamabot" all on my own. It wasn't a big stretch after "Bushbot".

 

And "Bushbot" was a pretty widely used term.

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Response to Marr (Reply #82)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:59 PM

85. I'm referring to context and DU

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Response to Demonaut (Reply #85)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:15 PM

91. I don't follow you.

 

You said the word "Obamabot" was created by the right-wing. That's not true. I think it popped up spontaneously in lots of places, because it describes a real phenomenon and it isn't exactly a creative leap as names go.

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Response to Marr (Reply #91)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:38 PM

97. true dat

Bushbot was in wide use.

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Response to Demonaut (Original post)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:46 PM

118. The Third Wayers is also a shitty way to describe Hillary supporters.

If you are called a Third Way Democrat...that is not a compliment. It is not neutral. Neutral would be to refer to them as center right. It's deliberately meant to have a negative connotation. Obamabot is not nice either as it is a nasty right wing slang for an Obama supporter.

"Can't we all get along"? Can't we Democrats be nice and respectful to one another? We don't even know who's running yet. After the primaries is long enough to throw around derogatory comments. Now is when we should be united and build up confidence in Democrats.

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Response to Auntie Bush (Reply #118)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 09:15 PM

129. Has Mrs. Clinton come out against the 3rd way?

 

Note that the "Grand Bargain" is a Third Way idea.

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Response to pragmatic_dem (Reply #129)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:02 PM

133. I don't plan on reading all that cut and paste stuff. Not interested!

I don't care what the third way means till it's necessary. I just KNOW I think it's used as a derogatory comment against Hillary. Just refer to her as center or left of center. Is that so hard to understand? "You people" (I can be derogatory too) don't even know her platform yet...maybe she doesn't either...certainly I don't.

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Response to Auntie Bush (Reply #133)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:04 PM

134. Is she a third way candidate or not? Third way is a real group, very much like DLC

 

which she was a member of, so I'll ask again, is she a third way candidate or not?

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Response to pragmatic_dem (Reply #134)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:11 PM

138. I'll make that decision when she announces her candidacy and platform.

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Response to Auntie Bush (Reply #138)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:16 PM

139. I agree with that, however it isn't fair to say 3rd way is derogatory because it

 

is a real live and VERY rich group with dozens of backers, 90% of whom are ultra-rich Wall Street investment bankers or funds managers, etc.

Citizens United has enabled the 1% to seize control of our government. The 3rd way is economically conservative (Reaganomics on steroids) and socially liberal (they have liberal lifestyles they enjoy).

i.e. they want gay marriage AND tax cuts for the rich.




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Response to pragmatic_dem (Reply #139)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:40 PM

145. It's going to cost hundreds of millions to defeat the Rethugs, Koch brothers, Alderson,

the Heritage Foundation and many others. I want the Democrat to win this election! They just have to! I won't think anything less of anyone else who
accepts money from the rich. If we are going to win we HAVE to. Of course it would be much nicer if our candidates didn't have to accept their money...but come on...It's a necessity if we want to win the election. Consequently lets face it and I hate to say...we may never have a truly Progressive candidate like Bernie. So far we haven't been very successful. I won't bother to mention all our failures as you know who they are. No candidate on either side can win without big money and where is big money? Wall Street! Thanks to SC's Citizen United. It was hard before but now it's impossible. If Bill Clinton hadn't done it we never would have had a Dem in office for those 8 years.

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Response to Auntie Bush (Reply #145)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:56 PM

151. be careful with compromise, wall street doesn't have your back

 

seriously, be careful for what you wish. The investment bankers who are running Washington are counting on blind loyalty to one party or the other.

I intend to hold Democrats just as accountable for the stupid and destructive things they do as any Republican.

You have to understand the game has changed. Most of us do not have money, but we do have votes. The Wall Street barons who finance elections are counting on the fact that loyalists will NEVER be critical of anything because after all, what's your other option?

I absolutely cannot vote for a name be it Democrat or Republican. We need real people looking out for the public's best interests. I won't let my vote (the only influence I have) be taken for granted.

Every economic indicator has been horrible for last 40 years. We have to admit that Democratic Party really has not been successful changing that in significant ways. ACA was a small step for the poorest Americans, but left many in middle class out (like me). It isn't just Republican obstruction, it is compromise instead of getting populist support on your side.

So you have to understand people's sensitivity to it.

I expect Democrats to aggressively promote more liberal economic policies to improve quality of life but really what has happened is Democratic economics have gotten more conservative (e.g. "Grand Bargain".

Third-way association is important because it signifies whether things are going to continue to get worse for workers and their families or not. The third way guarantees things will get worse as they double down on trickle-down, much worse.

Third way is surrender of Washington to pay-to-play Government.

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Response to pragmatic_dem (Reply #151)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:09 PM

152. I don't want a grand bargain any more than I want a ReThug president

Winning the presidency is my ultimate goal. I want all the progressive ideas as much as you...but I'm just being realistic.

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Response to Auntie Bush (Reply #152)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:32 PM

153. That's where we part ways, "realism" is the exactly the problem

 

Realism is admitting that we need to send jobs to India and China, because of their good test scores and the fact they work in slave labor conditions for pennies on the dollar.

Realism is admitting the Wall Street felons deserve amnesty for trillions of theft and fraud.

Realism is admitting that NSA spying is quite OK.

Realism is admitting Monsanto needs federal protection to force genetically modified food into our diets.

Satire is people as they are;
romanticism, people as they would like to be;
realism, people as they seem with their insides left out.

Dawn Powell



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Response to pragmatic_dem (Reply #153)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:49 PM

154. You are putting words in my mouth! Are you actually thinking I want all those things.

I remember telling you I was a progressive. What progressive would believe in all those ideas and ways. It's getting late...we must both be getting tired and hard to communicate our beliefs.

To sum things up...I still like Obama and Hillary and trust them to do the best they can for us with a ReThug held congress. No matter what...I will vote Democratic no matter who runs. I want to win this election and we'd have it in the bag if we stick together and stop badmouthing our possible candidates.. That's my final word. Good night!

LOL One more thing...a lot of ReThugs and Indies like Clinton and will vote for her.
I think they'd also vote for a Dem senator to help her with her agenda. I guess what I'm trying to say is Hillary will help us hold the Senate and maybe even take the House.

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Response to Demonaut (Original post)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 09:00 PM

125. It's a reasonable moniker the for the robotic defense to critical analysis

 

It is a reasonable name for the sort of robotic response to some of the most important issues of our generation:

When Obama was against wiretapping...
Finally we have a presidential candidate who will stand up for the 4th amendment and protect against government over reach into citizens lives... good riddance GW Bush


Subsequently, when Obama was for wiretapping...
As commander in chief, Obama needs every tool at his disposal to keep America safe... wonderful chess move, why are you such a hater...?


When candidate Obama was for environmental protection...
"Finally we have a president who is going to fight oil companies and unleash massive new investment in alternative energy...


As fracking spreads like wild fire, poisoning water supplies across the country, and drill baby drill was passed in Gulf of Mexico along with Monsanto Protection Act...
Fracking and deep water drilling just makes pragmatic sense, we can't be dependent on Middle East oil, the president needs every option available and genetically modified foods are 100% safe for the environment and our health. Obama was clear about his stand on this. If you don't like it, why did you vote for him and why are you such a hater...?


Nothing to be gained by more examples. I'm sure the point is made.

So Obamabot is simply a term which is used to describe a robotic, predictable defense to ANY criticism of the President. It is a defensive posture so awkwardly scripted, it might have been generated by a computer program that has only one output, regardless of the input.


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Response to Demonaut (Original post)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 09:02 PM

126. Bingo.

 

Anybody uses it here, I'm considering you part of the enemy camp.

Sick. Of. This. Shit.

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Response to Demonaut (Original post)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 09:21 PM

130. And the ones who toss it around the most

 

Are usually the ones promoting lunatic RW libertarians as "Heroes Of The Revolution".

Then they wonder why Democrats can't seem to get anything done...

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Response to baldguy (Reply #130)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:07 PM

137. Bullshit. /nt

 

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Response to baldguy (Reply #130)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:22 AM

156. Yes, the ones who call us "Obamabots" but suck up anything Greenwald throws their way.

Greenwald was calling Obama supporters "Obamabots" quite awhile ago.. that wouldn't be a big coincidence would it?

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Response to Demonaut (Original post)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:06 PM

136. Have you been reading anything??? It is not his supporters.....

 

they are talking about. It is the people defending EVERYTHING he does. Like people defended Bush.

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Response to Logical (Reply #136)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:06 AM

160. he knows that

it's just the usual bullshit

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Response to Demonaut (Original post)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:22 PM

140. Really? Y'all are going to start complaining about things because they started with right wingers?

How about "Blame America First"? What about the bullshit about liberals hating America? You know, the stuff spewed regularly whenever a bunch of those horrible leftists have the temerity to suggest we aren't #1 or question our foreign policy or dare to bring up any kind of history in our fireworks shootin' flag wavin' threads.

http://election.democraticunderground.com/10024674859

Some of the people hugging themselves and crying in this thread were gleefully screeching right wing propaganda in that one. And for a triple dose of irony, would be the first to rec a thread about how hypocritical Republicans are.

How about ODS, which is just an uncreative theft of the BDS meme? It's largely used for the same purpose. Anyone that criticizes the president doesn't have a point to be argued, they're just mentally ill.

I've never seen a bigger fountain of right wing memes on any progressive site anywhere than some of the president's defenders are here.

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Response to JoeyT (Reply #140)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:05 AM

155. Many conservatives find refuge here... they cheer conservative policies

 

and defend conservative principals like spying, social security cuts, police state, big oil, fracking, nuclear power, etc etc etc

There is a new shitty kind of 3rd way conservative - they consider themselves "economically conservative" and "socially liberal", you know they enjoy all the civil benefits from traditional Democrats while maintaining their money entitlements without any sacrifice.

What that really means is that they support gay marriage, wall street deregulation and tax cuts for the rich and they can't get all of that with the tea party. Democratic Leadership is willing to compromise on any principal for the right price, so they have bought their way into the party.

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Response to pragmatic_dem (Reply #155)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:13 AM

158. Yeah, but the problem with people being

economically conservative and socially liberal claiming to be some Third Way that bridges the gap is that there's already a name for someone that's economically conservative and socially liberal: Libertarian.

Which makes the libertarian hunters among them even funnier.

You forgot one of the biggies that are being defended, btw. Free trade is the holy grail of libertarianism. They may vary on policy on every other issue, but you will never meet a libertarian that doesn't support free trade with all their heart.

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Response to Demonaut (Original post)

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:55 PM

150. This is sort of like the "ACA isn't Heritage Care" thread

 

meaning, bogus

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Response to Demonaut (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:11 AM

164. I really don't care what they call me.. all they have are insults. I just consider the

source and grateful I'm not a greenwaldotbot.

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Response to Cha (Reply #164)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 07:02 AM

166. Thats a good attitude to have

I always like to say that people and words only have as much power over me as I let them have.

that line i tend to keep firmly in mind when on forums.

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Response to Bodhi BloodWave (Reply #166)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:23 PM

171. Exactly Bodhi!

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Response to Demonaut (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 07:28 AM

168. Wouldn't know, never used the term.

Ever.

But I've certainly been called worse by those who get labeled that.

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