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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAnother Dem just arrested by FBI. Robert Mueller(R-BushFamilyFixer) set up stings in cities all
over the country (Dem-led cities) in the years before he left the FBI. He left those stings and investigations in place when he left.
How many black and minority lawmakers were targeted specifically in those stings? How on earth did Mueller choose to target so many minority officeholders for STING OPERATIONS and miss the ongoing, blatant criminality and corruption of Christie's entire operation?
I don't think we can separate the lifelong work Mueller has done for BFEE, and the recent news of all these FBI arrests of Dem officeholders in cities across this country.
Charlotte, NC BREAKING NEWS:
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/03/26/4795861/charlotte-mayor-patrick-cannon.html#.UzMZ3DnpfmI
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)That is the problem. Do not blame the sting, blame the person. They could "sting" all day long and day after day and if you are doing what is right for the people you represent, it doesn't matter how many "stings" are involved. This is a tragedy especially since all these lawmakers took the bait. You can't win when you allow the opponent to "get you". However, like another poster mentioned on another OP, Republicans were caught constantly during Bush years and now Democrats are being caught big time in Obama years. Maybe that is normal, I don't know.
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)The closer you watch people, the more of these inadvertant felonies you will find. Don't believe you do it, let's see. Do you ever get junk mail, a flier advertising a car sale in your mailbox addressed to a neighbor? Do you knowing your neighbor ever throw them away? That is a felony. Granted nobody is charged with it, but it is on the books, and if the law watches you long enough, may settle on that as a way to get another investigation started, or may settle for that if they have insufficient evidence for anything else.
There are millions of laws on the books, and eventually you're going to break one of them. That's the problemw with "stings" because it take someone who doesn't know they are doing anything wrong, and sets them up to violate the letter if not the spirit of the law.
The old asinine RW If you have nothing to hide meme is bullshit. It's not supposed to be nothing to hide, it's supposed to be secure in your person and papers. It's supposed to be a common sense approach to life.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)a mis-delivered piece of junk mail? A single case where that was settled on "as a way to get another investigation started"?
"On average, everyone commits at least four felonies a day." What nonsense.
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)Clearly. I also said that the longer that the police look at you the more of those they will find.
Even if you are not charged with the crime, you have done the action that by the letter of the law is a felony.
http://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594032556
That has a forward by Alan Dershowitz
Then there are the "process" crimes. Failure to report a crime, is a crime. So if you don't report your neighbor for throwing away the junk mail, that is a crime as well.
I think the author of the book is being conservative (underestimating instead of RW), but I might have been too generous. It might only be three felonies in a day, but the point is we are all doing them without knowing it.
I'm going to presume that you are not intending to argue with the lawyers who wrote the book. Harvey Silvergate is a Civil Rights lawyer, and Alan Dershowitz is a well known defense attorney and political commentator. Since I am going to assume that you don't associate Civil Rights lawyers and Defense attorneys with RW propaganda, what do you base your rejection of this information on?
If I am wrong, and it is only three felonies a day, then I am guilty of overstating the problem by 33%. If you are wrong, you have understated the problem by 100%. Which of us is more wrong? The book talks about Federal Felonies, I just said felonies, and there are more state laws than there are federal laws, there are after all 50 states.
JJChambers
(1,115 posts)Blame the agent for creating the sting, not the corrupt official for being corrupt? THAT mindset is a major problem with our party. We seem to have a major problem with taking responsibility; it seems like it's always someone else's fault.
Take our lumps and move on.
Baitball Blogger
(46,570 posts)Investigations are politically influenced. If you want us to be believers, there has to be some semblance of fairness. Apply the laws to right-wing controlled areas and you will uncover a world of corruption.
blm
(112,919 posts)officeholders while someone like Chris Christie escaped scrutiny.
My point is that I don't believe in coincidence when it comes to Bush Family and their fixers. And Mueller has been a longtime fixer.
totodeinhere
(13,034 posts)sure whether Christie himself is being specifically targeted yet. But hopefully this investigation will lead to an indictment of Christie. And now the FBI director is an Obama appointee.
blm
(112,919 posts)manage to launch an investigation - too busy creating stings targeting minorities. Yeah.....and not finding anything to investigate Christie and Co....just like he couldn't find anything prosecutable in BCCI.
uncommonlink
(261 posts)FBI is now under an Obama appointed director and Christie is being investigated now and there may yet be charges filed, if that happens, I hope they handcuff him and perp walk him for the entire world to see.
totodeinhere
(13,034 posts)that Christie is finally being investigated.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)And why wouldn't we? We have history to go by. And the history ain't pretty.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)Why don't you tell us more about that. You know you want to.
alp227
(31,959 posts)You are falling in the right wing frame of "conservatives are for personal responsibility; liberals blame others". That's why it's so hard to have nice things!
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Just a thought, y'know...
JJChambers
(1,115 posts)It's the fault of the FBI agent for offering the bribe. Duhhh.
Personal responsibility, though often preached by the rethugs, is actually a GOOD thing.
blm
(112,919 posts)the blatant, HIGH-END criminality of the Chris Christie types to be ignored.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)cstanleytech
(26,080 posts)What is material is if the person took the bribe or not an in this case it would seem that taking the bribe was to tempting for some.
blm
(112,919 posts)My post is for those aware of who began the stings and why he matters.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Democrats. While I believe that all corruption should be investigated, I dont agree that investigations should be politically selective.
cstanleytech
(26,080 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)Portland Blazer
(38 posts)Why did he target that white guy?
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)Corrupt shitheads or not, they're still going down. Meanwhile Republicans get away with murder. (And car theft. Heh.)
ananda
(28,780 posts)One law for Dems, no law for Reeps.
Portland Blazer
(38 posts)Do you think he's guilty or innocent?
blm
(112,919 posts)Chris Christie types were never chosen to be 'stung' or investigated by Robert Mueller's FBI.
Portland Blazer
(38 posts)And do you know of any corrupt non-targets who should have been targeted?
blm
(112,919 posts)tried to alert FBI on Christie during that same timeframe? Mueller was too busy CREATING sting operations to launch an investigation into allegations being made against Christie.
Portland Blazer
(38 posts)If only you could have informed Obama that Mueller was oh so unfair.
blm
(112,919 posts)I think Obama has never had full control of CIA, NSA or FBI. Neither did Clinton. Neither did Carter.
BFEE has its own loyalists in every agency. They don't move on just because a Democratic president is elected.
uncommonlink
(261 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Quelle suprise.
uncommonlink
(261 posts)This particular investigation took 4 years to conclude, it may take that long to finish the investigation of Crispy.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)This is all about optics, and someone trying to nail stuff to the wall to see what sticks. The Repukes are losing because they are trash, and are flailing desperately.
uncommonlink
(261 posts)There's no conclusive evidence YET that would have warranted his being hancuffed and perp walked.
It may very well happen in the future (crosses fingers), but you can't really compare the Chrispy situation to this one, the evidence was already collected and charges filed.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)uncommonlink
(261 posts)Portland Blazer
(38 posts)Obama is President now.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Lots of new DUers here today, curious.
Portland Blazer
(38 posts)Your answer is "newbie DU'ers!"
blm
(112,919 posts)Too busy setting up minority officeholders in cities.
uncommonlink
(261 posts)Maybe the allegations were unfounded? Unless your an insider withing the FBI, how would we know?
Christie is an asshole of the nth degree, but so far, there's nothing to arrest and perp walk him for, hopefully in the near future there will be, but right at this moment?
blm
(112,919 posts).
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Jesus Christ! "Maybe the allegations were unfounded?"
uncommonlink
(261 posts)but as of yet, there's no difinitive proof to charge him.
blm
(112,919 posts)out of it.
uncommonlink
(261 posts)blm
(112,919 posts)Interesting need to defend ya got going on there.
uncommonlink
(261 posts)Either he was investigated or he wasn't, which one?
Defending him? Not likely.
blm
(112,919 posts)against Christie.
You're spinning yourself. Have at it.
uncommonlink
(261 posts)yet you say there was no investigation?
Seems I'm not the one spinning here, but, regardless, see my post #49.
I'll take your word that there was no investigation, but there's a new sheriff in town and he's now being investigation.
blm
(112,919 posts)with the evidence we've been seeing there was plenty there for Mueller to launch an investigation into Christie's operation early on.
Kingofalldems
(38,359 posts)uncommonlink
(261 posts)but I've concluded it's not worth the hard feelings so I'll leave it at that.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Let him spin himself off a Democratic Party supporting site back to RedState or whatever rock it's crawled out from under. I mean, he's pretty blatant.
U4ikLefty
(4,012 posts)I don't care anymore. There have been RW trolls who lasted 5+ years on DU with tens of thousands of posts before pizza time.
uncommonlink
(261 posts)And I would appreciate it if you're going to accuse me of something, have the courage to do it directly to me.
U4ikLefty
(4,012 posts)uncommonlink
(261 posts)My dogs like dog food, what's your point?
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)That doesn't play well on a Democratic forum, or did they forget to tell you that.
uncommonlink
(261 posts)Portland Blazer
(38 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)and it has already cost the Dems the supermajority they need to pass revenue-related measures without the repukes holding their breath until they turn purple.
edit: The latest victim was state Sen. Leland Yee, who is Chinese. The previous one was Sen. Ron Calderon, who is Latino.
blm
(112,919 posts).
talk about the broad side of a barn
(figuratively of course)
uncommonlink
(261 posts)We wouldn't hear about those.
I could care less about party affliation when it comes to criminal activity, corruption is corruption and should be vigorously rooted out and prosecuted.
blm
(112,919 posts)THAT is the point. People who tried to drop a dime on Christie and his cronies were ignored at the same time these minority officeholders were being targeted to BE set up.
uncommonlink
(261 posts)remember, this particular investigation took 4 years before it was concluded and arrests were made.
blm
(112,919 posts).
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Where is that story reported?
U4ikLefty
(4,012 posts)I don't care if this post gets hidden. This shit is too freakin obvoius to ignore.
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Judi Lynn
(160,211 posts)U4ikLefty
(4,012 posts)I usually keep my mouth shut & just mock the fools, but I was having a low-asshole-tolerance day.
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Throd
(7,208 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)*cough*Chris Christie*cough*, but they don't get targeted as often.
Portland Blazer
(38 posts)Will you admit Mueller was right?
reddread
(6,896 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,103 posts)former9thward
(31,798 posts)And former Governor of Illinois George Ryan might also. Just to think of two that quickly come to mind.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)off the top of my head as well
hughee99
(16,113 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)Mueller is pegged. A FIXER of the worst kind.
blm
(112,919 posts)History Commons:
US Justice Department headquarters.
Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) stumbles across the criminality of the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) while investigating international drug trafficking as part of a congressional oversight committee. He soon starts a vigorous congressional investigation of BCCI, and New York district attorney Robert Morgenthau launches a vigorous investigation as well. [NEW YORK TIMES, 7/29/1991] However, Kerrys and Morgenthaus investigations are consistently stifled. Kerry will later say that, with the key exception of the Federal Reserve, there was almost [no]
information or cooperation provided by other government agencies. [US CONGRESS, SENATE, COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN RELATIONS, 12/1992] Kerry will later conclude that the Justice Department in particular went to great lengths to block his and Morgenthaus investigations through a variety of mechanisms, ranging from not making witnesses available, to not returning phone calls, to claiming that every aspect of the case was under investigation in a period when little, if anything was being done. After the Bank of England shuts down BCCI in July 1991 (see July 5, 1991), making big headlines, Under Assistant Attorney General Robert Mueller takes over Justice Department efforts on BCCI and assigns many new attorneys to the case. But Kerry will ultimately conclude that the indictments the Justice Department brings forth against BCCI after that time were narrower and less detailed than those of Morgenthaus, and often seemed to be in response to what Morgenthau was doing. [US CONGRESS, 12/1992] Kerry submits his report on BCCI in December 1992, and after that investigations into BCCI peter out. President Bush will appoint Mueller to be director of the FBI shortly before 9/11.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)by Chaim Kupferberg
www.globalresearch.ca , 21 October 2003
"The hijackers left no paper trail," proclaimed FBI Director Robert Mueller on April 30, 2002. "In our investigation, we have not uncovered a single piece of paper...that mentioned any aspect of the Sept. 11 plot." Yet in the weeks immediately following September 11, Mueller and his FBI had left the public with a very different impression - an impression that conjured the vision of truckloads of paper documents pointing any number of ways to the culpability of Osama Bin Laden for the events of 9/11. For one, there was the infamous handwritten "checklist" found not only in hijacker Mohamed Atta's abandoned luggage, but also in the car rented in hijacker al-Hazmi's name, discovered at Dulles Airport, and which included lofty Arabic prayers alongside last minute reminders to bring "knives, your will, IDs, your passport, all your papers." But more importantly, the treasure trove in al-Hazmi's glove compartment yielded a paper trail that led all the way to London - and to the arrest of a potentially major suspect.
EXCERPT...
The story goes that BCCI was founded by Pakistani financier Aga Hassan Abedi. In truth, it was mostly a British intelligence operation using Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates as fronts, while C.I.A. elements allied with George H. W. Bush used the banking network to conduct a number of under-the-table operations throughout the '80's. Before it went under, BCCI served as the cardiovascular system for a global criminal milieu, its laundered arteries servicing the needs of various drug lords, arms dealers, fraudsters, dictators, corrupt politicians, terrorists, and intelligence agencies seeking loose cash for their extra-legal activities.
In short, BCCI was Disneyworld for the New World Order of political/corporate crime. With ample supplies of heroin leaving Afghanistan and heading stateside throughout the '80's, there were ample funds left to underwrite the activities of Osama bin Laden and his mujaheddin, ensconced in a battle to oust the Soviet occupation forces from their midst. And with cocaine coming stateside by way of Colombia, a little pocket money could be set aside to furnish the Nicaraguan Contras with their own anti-Soviet toys.
Could it, then, perhaps have been nothing more than a coincidence that a brother-in-law of Osama bin Laden, Khalid bin Mahfouz, was reported in the early 90's to own a 20% stake in BCCI - and that bin Mahfouz, as reported by the Houston Chronicle on June 4, 1992, had intimate business dealings with James Bath, the personal representative of bin Laden brother Salim who had invested $50,000 in George W. Bush's company, Arbusto? Bin Mahfouz, incidentally, had taken over Salim bin Laden's interest in the Houston Gulf Airport after Salim met his demise in an airplane crash over Houston in 1988 (the same year that Iran-Contra witness, and Israeli counter-terror coordinator, Amiram Nir met his own fortuitous demise by airplane over Mexico, thus denying Congress one witness who could testify to Vice-President Bush's personal involvement in the scandal).
In the decadent 80's, Bush friend and C.I.A. asset Manuel Noriega served as a critical conduit for the drug transit through Panama. Meanwhile, C.I. A. asset Saddam Hussein played the essential role of wearing down the Iranian Revolution by throwing waves of Iraqi young men at waves of Iranian young men, costing over a million lives, though earning billions for a voracious world arms industry. As for John Gotti, on June 21, 1991, former C.I.A. agent Richard Brenneke gave a sworn deposition before Congressman William Alexander, fingering Gotti as an active detergent in "laundering" the C.I.A. drug shipments coming into the Mena Airport in Arkansas.
As history has shown, being a friend and/or C.I.A. asset of George H. W. Bush can be an uncertain proposition. One by one, once these psychopathic proxies had served their purpose, they were "taken out". In the case of Noriega and Gotti, they were silenced through the capable tools of the American justice system. And overseeing the prosecutions - Noriega, Gotti, and BCCI - happened to be a man who would, years later, be entrusted with overseeing the investigation into the causes of 9/11 - Robert S. Mueller III.
In the case of BCCI, Mueller had steered the case along the manageable "official" contours, away from the seamier aspects of American foreign policy, ensuring that the domestic aspect of this worldwide fraud would only singe the toes of two well-connected, designated patsies - Clark Clifford and Robert Altman. And while Morgenthau's New York office had indeed pushed the envelope in investigating BCCI, as always, the essential integrity - the goodness - of the American political/intelligence apparatus was left intact.
The real scandal of BCCI, however, was not simply that it was a worldwide Ponzi scheme defrauding its investors of billions - for that is the "limited", official version - but that, in the context of 9/11, it provides a glaring spotlight on the very networks most intimately connected with the corruption. BCCI, the brainchild of British intelligence, was the ideal tool by which a supra-national network of compromised politicians and corrupt officials would "play ball", fattened up with a stream of capital furnished through the fruits of drugs, arms, and terrorism.
As Oliver North had pioneered the use of the counter-terrorism office in dealing with narco-terrorists like Monzer al-Kassar (connected to the Pan Am explosion over Lockerbie), would it be such a stretch to posit that the counter-terror apparatus - this time under Richard Clarke and John O'Neill - was once again being employed to "work" the corrupt networks wrought by BCCI? Can it be a mere coincidence that the arteries of the bin Laden strain of terrorism were fed not by Iran or Syria - the "traditional" sponsors of the more low-key types of terrorism in the '80's - but rather by those very countries that have long served as agents and proxies of their American-Anglo cohorts in crime: Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and the United Arab Emirates (i.e. the principal countries fronting for BCCI)? Could it be that the mutually corrupt global relationships wrought by BCCI persist to this day, with a bevy of compromised political officials standing ready to make their contribution to the New World Order - and perhaps scam some extra pocket change on the side?
As they say - follow the money. And where are the big movers and shakers of 9/11 - those who are interpreting the threat for you - putting their money? In vaccines, pharmaceuticals, bio-tech, utilities, security consulting, and surveillance technologies. In other words, they are shifting their money toward those burgeoning industries where they can simply legislate the market need - the favored modus operandi of the "Establishment" captains of industry who had formerly used their clout in the political sector to secure their all-important interests in the oil and banking sectors.
And what of FBI Director Robert Mueller? Was it a coincidence that he was consistently chosen to oversee cases in which the whole bloody mess - Gotti, BCCI, Noriega et al - had threatened to spill over the "officially" designated sides? Was it a result of happenstance that Mueller officially had taken up his job as FBI Director only one week before September 11? Is it Mueller's job to cover the paper trails - or just cover them up?
CONTINUED...
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP310A.html
Just like old times.
blm
(112,919 posts)Set up stings all over the country targeting Dem cities and follow them through - Create the appearance of widespread corruption by Democrats.
Doesn't mean Cannon didn't do it or that he wasn't wrong - just the glaring injustice in being set up in a longterm sting compared to Mueller's indifference to reports of Christie&Co's rampant corruption.
Daily Kos:
The New York Times recently peered into the guts of how the Port Authority has operated since Chris Christie took office in 2010. The results probably don't come as a surprise to anyone from New Jersey, but will still be another nail in the "Christie 2016" coffin. It can safely be concluded that the New Jersey side of the Port Authority is part and parcel of the Christie political machine.
The authority became a means to reward friends (or hire them) and punish adversaries, and a bank to be used when Mr. Christie sought to avoid raising taxes. Major policy initiatives, such as instituting a large toll and fare increase in 2011, were treated like political campaigns to burnish the governors image.
These maneuvers emboldened the Christie team, former Port Authority colleagues say, to close down the lanes on the worlds busiest bridge ensnaring them in state and federal investigations.
When Christie took office, he made much of curbing the Port Authority's reputation for patronage and corruption--for instance, under his prodding, former Port Authority commissioners lost the right to free tolls for life. But it was only a ruse. Soon after he took office, he ordered his appointees at the Port Authority--led by Bill Baroni, David Wildstein and David Samson--to demand that it fund a big project for New Jersey whenever one was planned for New York. For instance, when the Port Authority paid for rebuilding the World Trade Center, in exchange New Jersey got the Pulaski Skyway between Jersey City and Newark rebuilt. The skyway may have needed upgrading, but according to the NYT it's very unusual for the Port Authority to fund roads that don't connect the two states.
>>>>>
Nothing to see her for Mueller's FBI.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)...if they don't target Democrats, they don't get happy retirements.
FBI and the rest of the secret state police services are supposed to report to the executive. Since at least the presidency of Jimmy Carter, they haven't.
Agents for Bush
The 1980 Campaign
by Bob Callahan
Covert Action Information Bulletin
George Bush owed his recent political fortune to several old CIA friends, chiefly Ray Cline, who had helped to rally the intelligence community and started "Agents for Bush."
Bill Peterson of the Washington Post wrote in a March 1, 1980 article, "Simply put, no presidential campaign in recent memory perhaps ever has attracted as much support from the intelligence community as (has) the campaign of former CIA director George Bush."
George Bushs CIA campaign staff included Cline, CIA Chief of Station in Taiwan from 1958 to 1962; Lt. Gen. Salm V. Wilson and Lt. Gen. Harold A. Aaron, both former Directors of the Defense Intelligence Agency. Also included were retired Gen. Richard Stillwell, once the CIAs Chief of Covert Operations for the Far East, and at least 25 other retired Company directors, deputy directors and, or, agents.
Angelo Codevilla, informed a congressional committee that was "aware that active duty agents of the CIA worked for the George Bush primary election campaign.
Ray Cline claimed that he had been promoting the pro-CIA agenda that Bush had embraced for years, and that he had found the post Church-hearings criticism had died down some time ago. "I found there was a tremendous constituency for the CIA when everyone in Washington was still urinating all over it," Cline said. "Its panned out almost too good to be true. The country is waking up just in time for Georges candidacy.
In July 1979 George Bush and Ray Cline attended a conference in Jerusalem. (with) leaders of Israel, Great Britain and the United States. The Jerusalem Conference on International Terrorism was hosted by the Israeli government and most of Israels top intelligence officers were in attendance.
The Israelis were angry with Carter because his administration had recently released its annual report on human rights wherein the Israeli government was taken to task for abusing the rights of the Palestinian people on the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
The Republican delegation was led by George Bush. It included Ray Cline and Major Gen. George Keegan (former USAF intelligence chief) and Harvard professor Richard Pipes.
Looking for a mobilizing issue to counter the Carter-era themes of détente and human rights, the Bush people began to explore the political benefits of embracing the terrorism/anti-terrorism theme.
Ray Cline developed the theme that terror was not a random response. but rather an instrument of East bloc policy adopted after 1969 when the KGB persuaded the Politburo of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union to accept the PLO as a major political instrument in the Mideast and to subsidize its terrorist policies by freely giving money, training, arms and coordinated communications.
Within days after the conference the new propaganda war began in earnest. On July 11, 1979, the International Herald Tribune featured a lead editorial entitled "The Issue is Terrorism," which quoted directly from conference speeches.
SOURCE: Covert Action Information Bulletin No.33(Winter 1990) "The Bush Issue"
ONLINE(scroll down for excerpts):
http://mediamayhem.blogspot.com/2004_04_11_archive.html
Jebthro's got all the cards from the secret government in his hand.
PS: Did you see who hosts a BFEE thread? Probably will be used as evidence, hopefully not against me.
2banon
(7,321 posts)I love the style of his writing by they, even I have to wrap head around every twist and turn. By the way, it seems I recall Kerry was threatened during his investigation (?) that his files were taken and threatened to shut it down or else. Does that ring a bell? And ever since he'd been silent on the matter. Nothing to see here.
blm
(112,919 posts)an office and kept the files and the investigation opened on his own for several years.
He and Henry Gonzalez should have been treated like heroes instead of being constantly mocked and ostracized by establishment DC after Clinton took office and told Dems to move past these investigations.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Considering Democrats own the executive branch, I doubt the GOP holds much sway in who gets arrested by them.
blm
(112,919 posts)And it isn't a matter of being guilty - that's NOT the point of the post - it's that the stings are SET UP and were set up all over the country and targeting cities with minority officeholders. Mueller didn't act on the allegations made early on about how Christie was conducting business did he?
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)I live in Charlotte. They've been investigating him for 4 years . I wish they would have arrested him a couple months ago before he was elected
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)struggles that black people have faced for centuries. These offences hurt the people they are supposed to serve.
I have little sympathy for these corrupt individuals. I just wish law enforcement would be as hard on white corrupt officials. It would be so easy to set up stings for numerous corrupt government (state and local) officials all over this nation. They all should be caught and jailed IMHO.
tea and oranges
(396 posts)Political criminals betray the trust of the people who elected them. Race, skin color, or political affiliation have nothing to do w/ the severity of the crime
2banon
(7,321 posts)In another thread, regarding California State Senator Leland Lee's arrest this morning allegedly tied to the Chinese Triad (which apparently Frontline is doing an expose on) compelled me to do a quick wiki search on Comey, and discovered that he sits on the board of directors of HSBC Holdings which (which among other nefarious notoriety) is tied to Hong Kong, not just London.
I have no idea if there is some sort of "financial warfare" between this Chinese Triad "group" and HSBC Holding.. but it might be worth looking into. It just seems mighty peculiar that all of these arrests were made in one fell swoop. I don't see anything of the kind done to corrupted Republican politicians. Not on this level, CURRENTLY.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)People said it had to be a trap, it could not be real, how could he do that? I remembered the rumors at college though.
As things developed some people still defended him and called conspiracy because Bob could not do that, even after he pled. And yes, people spoke in first name basis.
Yes, there is a chance, shocking I know, that these people did something. And I will wait for the courts. For the moment, presumed is the correct term.
As to the FBI, well Christie is white. They tend to target whites a lot less, unless you are part of the Mafia. So is the rest of law enforcement by the way. Stats don't lie, but conspiracy theories don't help either.
Just my opinion though, having covered one of the largest scandals to hit this town in ten years I think I have a different perspective these days. Sorry if I refuse to join you down that rabbit hole. Enjoy it though.
blm
(112,919 posts)when he certainly spent no time looking into Christie and his gang when people first started complaining about his tactics in 2010.
I see Jeb2016 at work - and the only way to make it happen after 8 years of GWBush is by pushing the appearance that Democrats, in general, are even worse. The corporate media has certainly been pushing that perception since 2009.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)How many hours of Christie
B2G
(9,766 posts)and then get back to us. Until then, you're just making excuses for corruption.
"Over a two-decade period ending in 2012, the Justice Department has prosecuted almost 23,000 corruption cases against elected officials. About a fourth involved city or county government.
The U.S. Attorneys Office in Charlotte, which Tompkins took over four years ago, has convicted 43 officials of federal corruption charges since 2003."
Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/03/27/4799598/why-patrick-cannon-sting-took.html#storylink=cpy