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blm

(112,919 posts)
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:19 PM Mar 2014

Another Dem just arrested by FBI. Robert Mueller(R-BushFamilyFixer) set up stings in cities all

over the country (Dem-led cities) in the years before he left the FBI. He left those stings and investigations in place when he left.

How many black and minority lawmakers were targeted specifically in those stings? How on earth did Mueller choose to target so many minority officeholders for STING OPERATIONS and miss the ongoing, blatant criminality and corruption of Christie's entire operation?

I don't think we can separate the lifelong work Mueller has done for BFEE, and the recent news of all these FBI arrests of Dem officeholders in cities across this country.

Charlotte, NC BREAKING NEWS:
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/03/26/4795861/charlotte-mayor-patrick-cannon.html#.UzMZ3DnpfmI

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Another Dem just arrested by FBI. Robert Mueller(R-BushFamilyFixer) set up stings in cities all (Original Post) blm Mar 2014 OP
k&r... spanone Mar 2014 #1
Quite frankly if they didn't do stupid things, they would not worry about a sting yeoman6987 Mar 2014 #66
On average, everyone commits at least four felonies a day and don't know it. Savannahmann Mar 2014 #96
Can you point to a single case where a person was charged with a felony for throwing away pnwmom Mar 2014 #100
I clearly said that no one had been charged. Savannahmann Mar 2014 #101
Really? JJChambers Mar 2014 #2
Every one of them has the ability to be corrupt. Baitball Blogger Mar 2014 #4
I am all for someone who is truly corrupt getting nailed. It's the STING aspect targeting minority blm Mar 2014 #7
The FBI is investigating the Bridgegate scandal. I'm not totodeinhere Mar 2014 #42
Point is that some did come forward to FBI under Mueller about Christie - apparently Mueller didn't blm Mar 2014 #44
Ok, I'll take your word for it. uncommonlink Mar 2014 #49
Yes, that's all I was saying. I wasn't defending Mueller. I was showing gratitude totodeinhere Mar 2014 #84
I share your suspicions. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #59
I didn't realize Dems have a hard time accepting responsibility. Doremus Mar 2014 #39
"We seem to have a major problem with taking responsibility" alp227 Mar 2014 #86
That's not only NOT TRUE, it's a rightwingfuck mindset. Wonder what it's doing here. nt ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2014 #106
Maybe Dem office holders shouldn't be corrupt shitheads? alcibiades_mystery Mar 2014 #3
No no, it's not the Mayor's fault he took bribes JJChambers Mar 2014 #8
Not the point - It's the FBI targeting minority officeholders for stings while allowing blm Mar 2014 #13
You know who runs the DOJ, right? Not to mention the Chief Executive. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #15
I think the point went right over their heads. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #17
It wouldn't be a surprise. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #60
Who they "targeted" is immaterial. cstanleytech Mar 2014 #75
NOT the point I was making in my post which was about who Mueller CHOSE to go after. blm Mar 2014 #81
If who is targeted is immaterial then you apparently dont mind if they target only rhett o rick Mar 2014 #85
Could have been republican and my opinion would be the same. nt cstanleytech Mar 2014 #97
You are missing the point. Investigations shouldnt be politically motivated. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #98
Or maybe Christie isn't quite this lame? Just a thought. nt Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #83
Dennis Elwell, white mayor of Secaucus, was targeted by Mueller's FBI Portland Blazer Mar 2014 #90
Given what happened to Siegalman, it doesn't really matter. JoeyT Mar 2014 #69
Now if Reep lawmakers were subject to the same enforcement... ananda Mar 2014 #5
A jury will determine whether this man is guilty or innocent Portland Blazer Mar 2014 #6
Doesn't matter - my point is that minority officeholders were TARGETED for stings while the blm Mar 2014 #10
True. Dawson Leery Mar 2014 #20
Where any of the targeted subjects wrongly targeted? Portland Blazer Mar 2014 #40
Nothing to see in NJ with all Christie's cronies, eh? What happened when people blm Mar 2014 #45
in 2011, Obama asked Mueller to please serve 2 more years Portland Blazer Mar 2014 #89
LOL. You tried to be clever with someone who thinks Obama's is one of the weakest WH in modern era. blm Mar 2014 #102
Either that, or he takes a deal. uncommonlink Mar 2014 #12
Meanwhile Chris Christie still walks among us. Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #9
Chris Christie is still being investigated, uncommonlink Mar 2014 #21
Did he get raided and perp-walked? Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #23
Why would he? uncommonlink Mar 2014 #26
Yeah, I'm sure that will totally happen. Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #29
One can only wish and hope. uncommonlink Mar 2014 #31
Why not? Your argument is that Bush's FBI guy was the one being unfair Portland Blazer Mar 2014 #43
And you are? Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #68
is it exclusively a Mueller thing? Portland Blazer Mar 2014 #88
You are deliberately avoiding the point - FBI was alerted to Christie and Mueller IGNORED it. blm Mar 2014 #30
Are you sure Mueller ignored it? uncommonlink Mar 2014 #33
Baloney. If Christie was a Dem the allegations alone would've started an investigation. blm Mar 2014 #35
alright. uncommonlink Mar 2014 #37
Christie did it. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #62
Maybe he did, more likely probably, uncommonlink Mar 2014 #64
Only NOW he's being investigated. People said they alerted FBI to Christie and no investigation came blm Mar 2014 #25
People say alot of things that turn out to be false. uncommonlink Mar 2014 #34
Except they turned out to be true. blm Mar 2014 #36
I thought you said there was no investigation? uncommonlink Mar 2014 #38
I'm perfectly clear. Mueller's FBI did NOT investigate Christie even when allegations were made blm Mar 2014 #46
But you said those allegations turned out to be true, uncommonlink Mar 2014 #51
The first person reports from those who said they alerted FBI and blm Mar 2014 #71
Interesting. Kingofalldems Mar 2014 #95
I thought so, uncommonlink Mar 2014 #99
That one is spinning like Cray-cray. BlueCaliDem Mar 2014 #52
No kidding...been here for 10 days & already defending Rethugs. U4ikLefty Mar 2014 #73
What repugs am I defending? uncommonlink Mar 2014 #76
My cat likes cat food. U4ikLefty Mar 2014 #78
So do mine. uncommonlink Mar 2014 #79
You are defending the shit out of Christie. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #63
Defending Christie? uncommonlink Mar 2014 #65
he is using the party loyalty card nt Portland Blazer Mar 2014 #91
There has been a rash of these here in California KamaAina Mar 2014 #11
THERE'S MY POINT!!!! Where are all the red state, red county stings? How did FBI miss Christie? blm Mar 2014 #14
indeed eShirl Mar 2014 #16
How do we know there haven't been stings in repub strongholds and they produced no results? uncommonlink Mar 2014 #18
Pass up high-end corruption like Christie&Co while setting up stings of minority officeholders? blm Mar 2014 #22
The Christie investigation is still ongoing and may yet produce criminal charges, uncommonlink Mar 2014 #24
People alerted FBI on Christie years ago and Mueller ignored it. blm Mar 2014 #27
You keep posting that leftynyc Mar 2014 #54
TROLL ALERT!!! U4ikLefty Mar 2014 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2014 #93
Thanks for speaking up, and out. n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2014 #94
I've been around these parts for a few days & can smell them a mile away. U4ikLefty Mar 2014 #109
This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2014 #107
Ron Calderon is not a "victim". Throd Mar 2014 #53
There are plenty of white repukes who are just as crooked as Calderon KamaAina Mar 2014 #57
if christie is found guilty of nothing. .. Portland Blazer Mar 2014 #92
Fish in a barrel. "Messages" n/t reddread Mar 2014 #61
Here's a link to news coverage of Yee's arrest. Mr.Bill Mar 2014 #55
Duke Cunningham may disagree with you. former9thward Mar 2014 #19
Bob McDonnell more recently Enrique Mar 2014 #56
A decent mix of (R) and (D) on this list... hughee99 Mar 2014 #67
thanks for calling this to our attention grasswire Mar 2014 #28
Time for Octafish. Remember: Mueller 'fixed' BCCI cases at the Justice Dept. for Poppy Bush. blm Mar 2014 #32
There's Something About Omar: Truth, Lies, and The Legend of 9/11 Octafish Mar 2014 #58
These widespread arrests of minority officeholders smells like an opening act for Jeb2016. blm Mar 2014 #72
Long BFEE string from Dallas to ABSCAM to Rove firing US Attorneys... Octafish Mar 2014 #108
"Just like Old Times"...ain't that the freaking truth? 2banon Mar 2014 #80
Not true. Senate shut down BCCI investigation after the Dec 1992 report, but, Kerry actually rented blm Mar 2014 #82
Conspiracy or are the charged possibly guilty? seveneyes Mar 2014 #41
Baloney - Anyone who thinks Obama had complete control over Robert Mueller has no clue about BFEE. blm Mar 2014 #47
God damnit. octoberlib Mar 2014 #48
I'm not sorry. I just feel that blacks betraying their base is much worse crime because of the kelliekat44 Mar 2014 #50
I don't follow your thinking. tea and oranges Mar 2014 #77
Current Director Comey 2banon Mar 2014 #70
You know, when the Filner scandal broke nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #87
This wasn't excusing what was done. It's calling attention to Mueller and his motives blm Mar 2014 #103
How many minutes of Senator Lee's scandal on tv? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #105
Bullshit. Do a race study on this stat B2G Mar 2014 #104
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
66. Quite frankly if they didn't do stupid things, they would not worry about a sting
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:30 PM
Mar 2014

That is the problem. Do not blame the sting, blame the person. They could "sting" all day long and day after day and if you are doing what is right for the people you represent, it doesn't matter how many "stings" are involved. This is a tragedy especially since all these lawmakers took the bait. You can't win when you allow the opponent to "get you". However, like another poster mentioned on another OP, Republicans were caught constantly during Bush years and now Democrats are being caught big time in Obama years. Maybe that is normal, I don't know.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
96. On average, everyone commits at least four felonies a day and don't know it.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:49 PM
Mar 2014

The closer you watch people, the more of these inadvertant felonies you will find. Don't believe you do it, let's see. Do you ever get junk mail, a flier advertising a car sale in your mailbox addressed to a neighbor? Do you knowing your neighbor ever throw them away? That is a felony. Granted nobody is charged with it, but it is on the books, and if the law watches you long enough, may settle on that as a way to get another investigation started, or may settle for that if they have insufficient evidence for anything else.

There are millions of laws on the books, and eventually you're going to break one of them. That's the problemw with "stings" because it take someone who doesn't know they are doing anything wrong, and sets them up to violate the letter if not the spirit of the law.

The old asinine RW If you have nothing to hide meme is bullshit. It's not supposed to be nothing to hide, it's supposed to be secure in your person and papers. It's supposed to be a common sense approach to life.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
100. Can you point to a single case where a person was charged with a felony for throwing away
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 09:08 PM
Mar 2014

a mis-delivered piece of junk mail? A single case where that was settled on "as a way to get another investigation started"?

"On average, everyone commits at least four felonies a day." What nonsense.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
101. I clearly said that no one had been charged.
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 07:06 AM
Mar 2014

Clearly. I also said that the longer that the police look at you the more of those they will find.

Even if you are not charged with the crime, you have done the action that by the letter of the law is a felony.

http://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594032556

That has a forward by Alan Dershowitz

Then there are the "process" crimes. Failure to report a crime, is a crime. So if you don't report your neighbor for throwing away the junk mail, that is a crime as well.

I think the author of the book is being conservative (underestimating instead of RW), but I might have been too generous. It might only be three felonies in a day, but the point is we are all doing them without knowing it.

I'm going to presume that you are not intending to argue with the lawyers who wrote the book. Harvey Silvergate is a Civil Rights lawyer, and Alan Dershowitz is a well known defense attorney and political commentator. Since I am going to assume that you don't associate Civil Rights lawyers and Defense attorneys with RW propaganda, what do you base your rejection of this information on?

If I am wrong, and it is only three felonies a day, then I am guilty of overstating the problem by 33%. If you are wrong, you have understated the problem by 100%. Which of us is more wrong? The book talks about Federal Felonies, I just said felonies, and there are more state laws than there are federal laws, there are after all 50 states.

 

JJChambers

(1,115 posts)
2. Really?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:22 PM
Mar 2014

Blame the agent for creating the sting, not the corrupt official for being corrupt? THAT mindset is a major problem with our party. We seem to have a major problem with taking responsibility; it seems like it's always someone else's fault.

Take our lumps and move on.

Baitball Blogger

(46,570 posts)
4. Every one of them has the ability to be corrupt.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:24 PM
Mar 2014

Investigations are politically influenced. If you want us to be believers, there has to be some semblance of fairness. Apply the laws to right-wing controlled areas and you will uncover a world of corruption.

blm

(112,919 posts)
7. I am all for someone who is truly corrupt getting nailed. It's the STING aspect targeting minority
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:26 PM
Mar 2014

officeholders while someone like Chris Christie escaped scrutiny.

My point is that I don't believe in coincidence when it comes to Bush Family and their fixers. And Mueller has been a longtime fixer.

totodeinhere

(13,034 posts)
42. The FBI is investigating the Bridgegate scandal. I'm not
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:20 PM
Mar 2014

sure whether Christie himself is being specifically targeted yet. But hopefully this investigation will lead to an indictment of Christie. And now the FBI director is an Obama appointee.

blm

(112,919 posts)
44. Point is that some did come forward to FBI under Mueller about Christie - apparently Mueller didn't
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:26 PM
Mar 2014

manage to launch an investigation - too busy creating stings targeting minorities. Yeah.....and not finding anything to investigate Christie and Co....just like he couldn't find anything prosecutable in BCCI.

 

uncommonlink

(261 posts)
49. Ok, I'll take your word for it.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:36 PM
Mar 2014

FBI is now under an Obama appointed director and Christie is being investigated now and there may yet be charges filed, if that happens, I hope they handcuff him and perp walk him for the entire world to see.

totodeinhere

(13,034 posts)
84. Yes, that's all I was saying. I wasn't defending Mueller. I was showing gratitude
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:07 PM
Mar 2014

that Christie is finally being investigated.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
59. I share your suspicions.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:13 PM
Mar 2014

And why wouldn't we? We have history to go by. And the history ain't pretty.

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
39. I didn't realize Dems have a hard time accepting responsibility.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:12 PM
Mar 2014

Why don't you tell us more about that. You know you want to.

alp227

(31,959 posts)
86. "We seem to have a major problem with taking responsibility"
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 09:16 PM
Mar 2014

You are falling in the right wing frame of "conservatives are for personal responsibility; liberals blame others". That's why it's so hard to have nice things!

 

JJChambers

(1,115 posts)
8. No no, it's not the Mayor's fault he took bribes
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:26 PM
Mar 2014

It's the fault of the FBI agent for offering the bribe. Duhhh.

Personal responsibility, though often preached by the rethugs, is actually a GOOD thing.

blm

(112,919 posts)
13. Not the point - It's the FBI targeting minority officeholders for stings while allowing
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:31 PM
Mar 2014

the blatant, HIGH-END criminality of the Chris Christie types to be ignored.

cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
75. Who they "targeted" is immaterial.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:08 PM
Mar 2014

What is material is if the person took the bribe or not an in this case it would seem that taking the bribe was to tempting for some.

blm

(112,919 posts)
81. NOT the point I was making in my post which was about who Mueller CHOSE to go after.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:48 PM
Mar 2014

My post is for those aware of who began the stings and why he matters.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
85. If who is targeted is immaterial then you apparently dont mind if they target only
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:45 PM
Mar 2014

Democrats. While I believe that all corruption should be investigated, I dont agree that investigations should be politically selective.

 

Portland Blazer

(38 posts)
90. Dennis Elwell, white mayor of Secaucus, was targeted by Mueller's FBI
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 06:01 AM
Mar 2014

Why did he target that white guy?

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
69. Given what happened to Siegalman, it doesn't really matter.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:49 PM
Mar 2014

Corrupt shitheads or not, they're still going down. Meanwhile Republicans get away with murder. (And car theft. Heh.)

ananda

(28,780 posts)
5. Now if Reep lawmakers were subject to the same enforcement...
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:25 PM
Mar 2014

One law for Dems, no law for Reeps.

blm

(112,919 posts)
10. Doesn't matter - my point is that minority officeholders were TARGETED for stings while the
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:28 PM
Mar 2014

Chris Christie types were never chosen to be 'stung' or investigated by Robert Mueller's FBI.

 

Portland Blazer

(38 posts)
40. Where any of the targeted subjects wrongly targeted?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:14 PM
Mar 2014

And do you know of any corrupt non-targets who should have been targeted?

blm

(112,919 posts)
45. Nothing to see in NJ with all Christie's cronies, eh? What happened when people
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:29 PM
Mar 2014

tried to alert FBI on Christie during that same timeframe? Mueller was too busy CREATING sting operations to launch an investigation into allegations being made against Christie.

 

Portland Blazer

(38 posts)
89. in 2011, Obama asked Mueller to please serve 2 more years
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:53 AM
Mar 2014

If only you could have informed Obama that Mueller was oh so unfair.

blm

(112,919 posts)
102. LOL. You tried to be clever with someone who thinks Obama's is one of the weakest WH in modern era.
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 08:53 AM
Mar 2014

I think Obama has never had full control of CIA, NSA or FBI. Neither did Clinton. Neither did Carter.

BFEE has its own loyalists in every agency. They don't move on just because a Democratic president is elected.

 

uncommonlink

(261 posts)
21. Chris Christie is still being investigated,
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:43 PM
Mar 2014

This particular investigation took 4 years to conclude, it may take that long to finish the investigation of Crispy.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
23. Did he get raided and perp-walked?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:47 PM
Mar 2014

This is all about optics, and someone trying to nail stuff to the wall to see what sticks. The Repukes are losing because they are trash, and are flailing desperately.

 

uncommonlink

(261 posts)
26. Why would he?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:52 PM
Mar 2014

There's no conclusive evidence YET that would have warranted his being hancuffed and perp walked.
It may very well happen in the future (crosses fingers), but you can't really compare the Chrispy situation to this one, the evidence was already collected and charges filed.

blm

(112,919 posts)
30. You are deliberately avoiding the point - FBI was alerted to Christie and Mueller IGNORED it.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:54 PM
Mar 2014

Too busy setting up minority officeholders in cities.

 

uncommonlink

(261 posts)
33. Are you sure Mueller ignored it?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:57 PM
Mar 2014

Maybe the allegations were unfounded? Unless your an insider withing the FBI, how would we know?
Christie is an asshole of the nth degree, but so far, there's nothing to arrest and perp walk him for, hopefully in the near future there will be, but right at this moment?

blm

(112,919 posts)
25. Only NOW he's being investigated. People said they alerted FBI to Christie and no investigation came
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:51 PM
Mar 2014

out of it.

 

uncommonlink

(261 posts)
38. I thought you said there was no investigation?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:09 PM
Mar 2014

Either he was investigated or he wasn't, which one?

Defending him? Not likely.

blm

(112,919 posts)
46. I'm perfectly clear. Mueller's FBI did NOT investigate Christie even when allegations were made
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:31 PM
Mar 2014

against Christie.

You're spinning yourself. Have at it.

 

uncommonlink

(261 posts)
51. But you said those allegations turned out to be true,
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:42 PM
Mar 2014

yet you say there was no investigation?

Seems I'm not the one spinning here, but, regardless, see my post #49.

I'll take your word that there was no investigation, but there's a new sheriff in town and he's now being investigation.

blm

(112,919 posts)
71. The first person reports from those who said they alerted FBI and
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:56 PM
Mar 2014

with the evidence we've been seeing there was plenty there for Mueller to launch an investigation into Christie's operation early on.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
52. That one is spinning like Cray-cray.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:42 PM
Mar 2014

Let him spin himself off a Democratic Party supporting site back to RedState or whatever rock it's crawled out from under. I mean, he's pretty blatant.

U4ikLefty

(4,012 posts)
73. No kidding...been here for 10 days & already defending Rethugs.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:04 PM
Mar 2014

I don't care anymore. There have been RW trolls who lasted 5+ years on DU with tens of thousands of posts before pizza time.

 

uncommonlink

(261 posts)
76. What repugs am I defending?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:08 PM
Mar 2014

And I would appreciate it if you're going to accuse me of something, have the courage to do it directly to me.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
63. You are defending the shit out of Christie.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:19 PM
Mar 2014

That doesn't play well on a Democratic forum, or did they forget to tell you that.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
11. There has been a rash of these here in California
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:29 PM
Mar 2014

and it has already cost the Dems the supermajority they need to pass revenue-related measures without the repukes holding their breath until they turn purple.

edit: The latest victim was state Sen. Leland Yee, who is Chinese. The previous one was Sen. Ron Calderon, who is Latino.

blm

(112,919 posts)
14. THERE'S MY POINT!!!! Where are all the red state, red county stings? How did FBI miss Christie?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:33 PM
Mar 2014

.

 

uncommonlink

(261 posts)
18. How do we know there haven't been stings in repub strongholds and they produced no results?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:39 PM
Mar 2014

We wouldn't hear about those.
I could care less about party affliation when it comes to criminal activity, corruption is corruption and should be vigorously rooted out and prosecuted.

blm

(112,919 posts)
22. Pass up high-end corruption like Christie&Co while setting up stings of minority officeholders?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:47 PM
Mar 2014

THAT is the point. People who tried to drop a dime on Christie and his cronies were ignored at the same time these minority officeholders were being targeted to BE set up.

 

uncommonlink

(261 posts)
24. The Christie investigation is still ongoing and may yet produce criminal charges,
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:49 PM
Mar 2014

remember, this particular investigation took 4 years before it was concluded and arrests were made.

Response to U4ikLefty (Reply #74)

U4ikLefty

(4,012 posts)
109. I've been around these parts for a few days & can smell them a mile away.
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 11:48 PM
Mar 2014

I usually keep my mouth shut & just mock the fools, but I was having a low-asshole-tolerance day.

Response to U4ikLefty (Reply #74)

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
57. There are plenty of white repukes who are just as crooked as Calderon
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:58 PM
Mar 2014

*cough*Chris Christie*cough*, but they don't get targeted as often.

blm

(112,919 posts)
32. Time for Octafish. Remember: Mueller 'fixed' BCCI cases at the Justice Dept. for Poppy Bush.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:56 PM
Mar 2014

History Commons:

US Justice Department headquarters.
Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) stumbles across the criminality of the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) while investigating international drug trafficking as part of a congressional oversight committee. He soon starts a vigorous congressional investigation of BCCI, and New York district attorney Robert Morgenthau launches a vigorous investigation as well. [NEW YORK TIMES, 7/29/1991] However, Kerry’s and Morgenthau’s investigations are consistently stifled. Kerry will later say that, “with the key exception of the Federal Reserve, there was almost [no]… information or cooperation provided by other government agencies.” [US CONGRESS, SENATE, COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN RELATIONS, 12/1992] Kerry will later conclude that the Justice Department in particular went to great lengths to block his and Morgenthau’s investigations “through a variety of mechanisms, ranging from not making witnesses available, to not returning phone calls, to claiming that every aspect of the case was under investigation in a period when little, if anything was being done.” After the Bank of England shuts down BCCI in July 1991 (see July 5, 1991), making big headlines, Under Assistant Attorney General Robert Mueller takes over Justice Department efforts on BCCI and assigns many new attorneys to the case. But Kerry will ultimately conclude that the indictments the Justice Department brings forth against BCCI after that time were narrower and less detailed than those of Morgenthau’s, and often seemed to be in response to what Morgenthau was doing. [US CONGRESS, 12/1992] Kerry submits his report on BCCI in December 1992, and after that investigations into BCCI peter out. President Bush will appoint Mueller to be director of the FBI shortly before 9/11.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
58. There's Something About Omar: Truth, Lies, and The Legend of 9/11
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:10 PM
Mar 2014
It was almost an afterthought. On March 1, 2003, the War On Terror had finally served up the alleged paymaster of 9/11 - a shadowy Saudi by the name of Mustafa Ahmed al-Hisawi. Yet his arrest just happened to coincide with the capture of a much bigger fish - the reported 9/11 mastermind himself, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed - thus relegating Mustafa Ahmed to the footnote section of the "official" 9/11 Legend. But there was another, more explosive side to this tale. Only seventeen months before, a former London schoolboy by the name of Omar Saeed Sheikh was first exposed as the 9/11 paymaster, acting under the authority of a Pakistani general who was in Washington D.C. on September 11, meeting with the very two lawmakers who would subsequently preside over the "official" 9/11 congressional inquiry. Omar Saeed, as reported back then by CNN, was acting under the alias of...Mustafa Ahmed. So where is Omar now? Sitting in a Pakistani prison, awaiting his execution for the kidnapping of Daniel Pearl - while another man fills the shoes of his pseudonym. What follows is a reconstruction of one of the most extensive disinformation campaigns in history, and the chronicle of a legend that may now shine a devastating spotlight on some of the cliques behind 9/11 - and the FBI Director covering the paper trails.

by Chaim Kupferberg
www.globalresearch.ca , 21 October 2003

"The hijackers left no paper trail," proclaimed FBI Director Robert Mueller on April 30, 2002. "In our investigation, we have not uncovered a single piece of paper...that mentioned any aspect of the Sept. 11 plot." Yet in the weeks immediately following September 11, Mueller and his FBI had left the public with a very different impression - an impression that conjured the vision of truckloads of paper documents pointing any number of ways to the culpability of Osama Bin Laden for the events of 9/11. For one, there was the infamous handwritten "checklist" found not only in hijacker Mohamed Atta's abandoned luggage, but also in the car rented in hijacker al-Hazmi's name, discovered at Dulles Airport, and which included lofty Arabic prayers alongside last minute reminders to bring "knives, your will, IDs, your passport, all your papers." But more importantly, the treasure trove in al-Hazmi's glove compartment yielded a paper trail that led all the way to London - and to the arrest of a potentially major suspect.

EXCERPT...

The story goes that BCCI was founded by Pakistani financier Aga Hassan Abedi. In truth, it was mostly a British intelligence operation using Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates as fronts, while C.I.A. elements allied with George H. W. Bush used the banking network to conduct a number of under-the-table operations throughout the '80's. Before it went under, BCCI served as the cardiovascular system for a global criminal milieu, its laundered arteries servicing the needs of various drug lords, arms dealers, fraudsters, dictators, corrupt politicians, terrorists, and intelligence agencies seeking loose cash for their extra-legal activities.

In short, BCCI was Disneyworld for the New World Order of political/corporate crime. With ample supplies of heroin leaving Afghanistan and heading stateside throughout the '80's, there were ample funds left to underwrite the activities of Osama bin Laden and his mujaheddin, ensconced in a battle to oust the Soviet occupation forces from their midst. And with cocaine coming stateside by way of Colombia, a little pocket money could be set aside to furnish the Nicaraguan Contras with their own anti-Soviet toys.

Could it, then, perhaps have been nothing more than a coincidence that a brother-in-law of Osama bin Laden, Khalid bin Mahfouz, was reported in the early 90's to own a 20% stake in BCCI - and that bin Mahfouz, as reported by the Houston Chronicle on June 4, 1992, had intimate business dealings with James Bath, the personal representative of bin Laden brother Salim who had invested $50,000 in George W. Bush's company, Arbusto? Bin Mahfouz, incidentally, had taken over Salim bin Laden's interest in the Houston Gulf Airport after Salim met his demise in an airplane crash over Houston in 1988 (the same year that Iran-Contra witness, and Israeli counter-terror coordinator, Amiram Nir met his own fortuitous demise by airplane over Mexico, thus denying Congress one witness who could testify to Vice-President Bush's personal involvement in the scandal).

In the decadent 80's, Bush friend and C.I.A. asset Manuel Noriega served as a critical conduit for the drug transit through Panama. Meanwhile, C.I. A. asset Saddam Hussein played the essential role of wearing down the Iranian Revolution by throwing waves of Iraqi young men at waves of Iranian young men, costing over a million lives, though earning billions for a voracious world arms industry. As for John Gotti, on June 21, 1991, former C.I.A. agent Richard Brenneke gave a sworn deposition before Congressman William Alexander, fingering Gotti as an active detergent in "laundering" the C.I.A. drug shipments coming into the Mena Airport in Arkansas.

As history has shown, being a friend and/or C.I.A. asset of George H. W. Bush can be an uncertain proposition. One by one, once these psychopathic proxies had served their purpose, they were "taken out". In the case of Noriega and Gotti, they were silenced through the capable tools of the American justice system. And overseeing the prosecutions - Noriega, Gotti, and BCCI - happened to be a man who would, years later, be entrusted with overseeing the investigation into the causes of 9/11 - Robert S. Mueller III.

In the case of BCCI, Mueller had steered the case along the manageable "official" contours, away from the seamier aspects of American foreign policy, ensuring that the domestic aspect of this worldwide fraud would only singe the toes of two well-connected, designated patsies - Clark Clifford and Robert Altman. And while Morgenthau's New York office had indeed pushed the envelope in investigating BCCI, as always, the essential integrity - the goodness - of the American political/intelligence apparatus was left intact.

The real scandal of BCCI, however, was not simply that it was a worldwide Ponzi scheme defrauding its investors of billions - for that is the "limited", official version - but that, in the context of 9/11, it provides a glaring spotlight on the very networks most intimately connected with the corruption. BCCI, the brainchild of British intelligence, was the ideal tool by which a supra-national network of compromised politicians and corrupt officials would "play ball", fattened up with a stream of capital furnished through the fruits of drugs, arms, and terrorism.

As Oliver North had pioneered the use of the counter-terrorism office in dealing with narco-terrorists like Monzer al-Kassar (connected to the Pan Am explosion over Lockerbie), would it be such a stretch to posit that the counter-terror apparatus - this time under Richard Clarke and John O'Neill - was once again being employed to "work" the corrupt networks wrought by BCCI? Can it be a mere coincidence that the arteries of the bin Laden strain of terrorism were fed not by Iran or Syria - the "traditional" sponsors of the more low-key types of terrorism in the '80's - but rather by those very countries that have long served as agents and proxies of their American-Anglo cohorts in crime: Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and the United Arab Emirates (i.e. the principal countries fronting for BCCI)? Could it be that the mutually corrupt global relationships wrought by BCCI persist to this day, with a bevy of compromised political officials standing ready to make their contribution to the New World Order - and perhaps scam some extra pocket change on the side?

As they say - follow the money. And where are the big movers and shakers of 9/11 - those who are interpreting the threat for you - putting their money? In vaccines, pharmaceuticals, bio-tech, utilities, security consulting, and surveillance technologies. In other words, they are shifting their money toward those burgeoning industries where they can simply legislate the market need - the favored modus operandi of the "Establishment" captains of industry who had formerly used their clout in the political sector to secure their all-important interests in the oil and banking sectors.

And what of FBI Director Robert Mueller? Was it a coincidence that he was consistently chosen to oversee cases in which the whole bloody mess - Gotti, BCCI, Noriega et al - had threatened to spill over the "officially" designated sides? Was it a result of happenstance that Mueller officially had taken up his job as FBI Director only one week before September 11? Is it Mueller's job to cover the paper trails - or just cover them up?

CONTINUED...

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP310A.html

Just like old times.

blm

(112,919 posts)
72. These widespread arrests of minority officeholders smells like an opening act for Jeb2016.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:03 PM
Mar 2014

Set up stings all over the country targeting Dem cities and follow them through - Create the appearance of widespread corruption by Democrats.

Doesn't mean Cannon didn't do it or that he wasn't wrong - just the glaring injustice in being set up in a longterm sting compared to Mueller's indifference to reports of Christie&Co's rampant corruption.

Daily Kos:

The New York Times recently peered into the guts of how the Port Authority has operated since Chris Christie took office in 2010. The results probably don't come as a surprise to anyone from New Jersey, but will still be another nail in the "Christie 2016" coffin. It can safely be concluded that the New Jersey side of the Port Authority is part and parcel of the Christie political machine.

The authority became a means to reward friends (or hire them) and punish adversaries, and a bank to be used when Mr. Christie sought to avoid raising taxes. Major policy initiatives, such as instituting a large toll and fare increase in 2011, were treated like political campaigns to burnish the governor’s image.
These maneuvers emboldened the Christie team, former Port Authority colleagues say, to close down the lanes on the world’s busiest bridge — ensnaring them in state and federal investigations.

When Christie took office, he made much of curbing the Port Authority's reputation for patronage and corruption--for instance, under his prodding, former Port Authority commissioners lost the right to free tolls for life. But it was only a ruse. Soon after he took office, he ordered his appointees at the Port Authority--led by Bill Baroni, David Wildstein and David Samson--to demand that it fund a big project for New Jersey whenever one was planned for New York. For instance, when the Port Authority paid for rebuilding the World Trade Center, in exchange New Jersey got the Pulaski Skyway between Jersey City and Newark rebuilt. The skyway may have needed upgrading, but according to the NYT it's very unusual for the Port Authority to fund roads that don't connect the two states.
>>>>>
Nothing to see her for Mueller's FBI.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
108. Long BFEE string from Dallas to ABSCAM to Rove firing US Attorneys...
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 05:34 PM
Mar 2014

...if they don't target Democrats, they don't get happy retirements.

FBI and the rest of the secret state police services are supposed to report to the executive. Since at least the presidency of Jimmy Carter, they haven't.



Agents for Bush

The 1980 Campaign

by Bob Callahan
Covert Action Information Bulletin

George Bush owed his recent political fortune to several old CIA friends, chiefly Ray Cline, who had helped to rally the intelligence community … and started … "Agents for Bush."

Bill Peterson of the Washington Post wrote in a March 1, 1980 article, "Simply put, no presidential campaign in recent memory – perhaps ever – has attracted as much support from the intelligence community as (has) the campaign of former CIA director George Bush."

George Bush’s CIA campaign staff included Cline, CIA Chief of Station in Taiwan from 1958 to 1962; Lt. Gen. Salm V. Wilson and Lt. Gen. Harold A. Aaron, both former Directors of the Defense Intelligence Agency. Also included were retired Gen. Richard Stillwell, once the CIA’s Chief of Covert Operations for the Far East, and at least 25 other retired Company directors, deputy directors and, or, agents.

… Angelo Codevilla, informed a congressional committee that was "aware that active duty agents of the CIA worked for the George Bush primary election campaign.

… Ray Cline claimed that he had been promoting the pro-CIA agenda that Bush had embraced for years, and that he had found the post Church-hearings criticism had died down some time ago. "I found there was a tremendous constituency for the CIA when everyone in Washington was still urinating all over it," Cline said. … "It’s panned out almost too good to be true. The country is waking up just in time for George’s candidacy. …

In July 1979 George Bush and Ray Cline attended a conference in Jerusalem. … (with) leaders of Israel, Great Britain and the United States. … The Jerusalem Conference on International Terrorism was hosted by the Israeli government and … most of Israel’s top intelligence officers … were in attendance. …

… The Israelis were angry with Carter because his administration had recently released its annual report on human rights wherein the Israeli government was taken to task for abusing the rights of the Palestinian people on the West Bank and Gaza Strip. …

The Republican delegation was led by George Bush. It included Ray Cline and Major Gen. George Keegan (former USAF intelligence chief) and Harvard professor Richard Pipes.

Looking for a mobilizing issue to counter the Carter-era themes of détente and human rights, the Bush people began to explore the political benefits of embracing the terrorism/anti-terrorism theme.

… Ray Cline developed the theme that terror was not a random response. … but rather an instrument of East bloc policy adopted after 1969 when the KGB persuaded the Politburo of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union to accept the PLO as a major political instrument in the Mideast and to subsidize its terrorist policies by freely giving money, training, arms and coordinated communications. …

… Within days after the conference the new propaganda war began in earnest. On July 11, 1979, the International Herald Tribune featured a lead editorial entitled "The Issue is Terrorism," which quoted directly from conference speeches. …

SOURCE: Covert Action Information Bulletin No.33(Winter 1990) "The Bush Issue"

ONLINE(scroll down for excerpts):

http://mediamayhem.blogspot.com/2004_04_11_archive.html



Jebthro's got all the cards from the secret government in his hand.

PS: Did you see who hosts a BFEE thread? Probably will be used as evidence, hopefully not against me.
 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
80. "Just like Old Times"...ain't that the freaking truth?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:35 PM
Mar 2014

I love the style of his writing by they, even I have to wrap head around every twist and turn. By the way, it seems I recall Kerry was threatened during his investigation (?) that his files were taken and threatened to shut it down or else. Does that ring a bell? And ever since he'd been silent on the matter. Nothing to see here.

blm

(112,919 posts)
82. Not true. Senate shut down BCCI investigation after the Dec 1992 report, but, Kerry actually rented
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:52 PM
Mar 2014

an office and kept the files and the investigation opened on his own for several years.

He and Henry Gonzalez should have been treated like heroes instead of being constantly mocked and ostracized by establishment DC after Clinton took office and told Dems to move past these investigations.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
41. Conspiracy or are the charged possibly guilty?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:15 PM
Mar 2014

Considering Democrats own the executive branch, I doubt the GOP holds much sway in who gets arrested by them.

blm

(112,919 posts)
47. Baloney - Anyone who thinks Obama had complete control over Robert Mueller has no clue about BFEE.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:34 PM
Mar 2014

And it isn't a matter of being guilty - that's NOT the point of the post - it's that the stings are SET UP and were set up all over the country and targeting cities with minority officeholders. Mueller didn't act on the allegations made early on about how Christie was conducting business did he?

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
48. God damnit.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:35 PM
Mar 2014

I live in Charlotte. They've been investigating him for 4 years . I wish they would have arrested him a couple months ago before he was elected

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
50. I'm not sorry. I just feel that blacks betraying their base is much worse crime because of the
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:36 PM
Mar 2014

struggles that black people have faced for centuries. These offences hurt the people they are supposed to serve.
I have little sympathy for these corrupt individuals. I just wish law enforcement would be as hard on white corrupt officials. It would be so easy to set up stings for numerous corrupt government (state and local) officials all over this nation. They all should be caught and jailed IMHO.

tea and oranges

(396 posts)
77. I don't follow your thinking.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:09 PM
Mar 2014

Political criminals betray the trust of the people who elected them. Race, skin color, or political affiliation have nothing to do w/ the severity of the crime

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
70. Current Director Comey
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:54 PM
Mar 2014

In another thread, regarding California State Senator Leland Lee's arrest this morning allegedly tied to the Chinese Triad (which apparently Frontline is doing an expose on) compelled me to do a quick wiki search on Comey, and discovered that he sits on the board of directors of HSBC Holdings which (which among other nefarious notoriety) is tied to Hong Kong, not just London.

I have no idea if there is some sort of "financial warfare" between this Chinese Triad "group" and HSBC Holding.. but it might be worth looking into. It just seems mighty peculiar that all of these arrests were made in one fell swoop. I don't see anything of the kind done to corrupted Republican politicians. Not on this level, CURRENTLY.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
87. You know, when the Filner scandal broke
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 09:57 PM
Mar 2014

People said it had to be a trap, it could not be real, how could he do that? I remembered the rumors at college though.

As things developed some people still defended him and called conspiracy because Bob could not do that, even after he pled. And yes, people spoke in first name basis.

Yes, there is a chance, shocking I know, that these people did something. And I will wait for the courts. For the moment, presumed is the correct term.

As to the FBI, well Christie is white. They tend to target whites a lot less, unless you are part of the Mafia. So is the rest of law enforcement by the way. Stats don't lie, but conspiracy theories don't help either.

Just my opinion though, having covered one of the largest scandals to hit this town in ten years I think I have a different perspective these days. Sorry if I refuse to join you down that rabbit hole. Enjoy it though.

blm

(112,919 posts)
103. This wasn't excusing what was done. It's calling attention to Mueller and his motives
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 08:57 AM
Mar 2014

when he certainly spent no time looking into Christie and his gang when people first started complaining about his tactics in 2010.

I see Jeb2016 at work - and the only way to make it happen after 8 years of GWBush is by pushing the appearance that Democrats, in general, are even worse. The corporate media has certainly been pushing that perception since 2009.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
104. Bullshit. Do a race study on this stat
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 09:23 AM
Mar 2014

and then get back to us. Until then, you're just making excuses for corruption.

"Over a two-decade period ending in 2012, the Justice Department has prosecuted almost 23,000 corruption cases against elected officials. About a fourth involved city or county government.
The U.S. Attorney’s Office in Charlotte, which Tompkins took over four years ago, has convicted 43 officials of federal corruption charges since 2003."

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/03/27/4799598/why-patrick-cannon-sting-took.html#storylink=cpy

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