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JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:35 PM Mar 2014

President Obama is a "Weak Appeasing" "Warmonger"!!

YUP. He's both, depending on who you ask. Thus the two sets of quotation marks.

Ask the far right ... "Obama is a weak appeaser!! His weak response to Benghazi and Syria will kill us all."

Ask the far left ... "Obama is a warmonger who wanted to invade Iran, Egypt, Libya, Syria (fortunately Putin stopped him), and who now clearly supports the Iraq war!!"

Two totally opposite memes ... both totally insane caricatures.

Each pushed across the blogosphere. With folks on the right, and the left, freaking out ... because ... THEIR insane caricature, is obviously true.

Just another day on the internet.

I mean after all, the President is a "Socialist" "Corporatist" too.

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President Obama is a "Weak Appeasing" "Warmonger"!! (Original Post) JoePhilly Mar 2014 OP
Rather than despairing and posting, read this: Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #1
Oh yea ... absolutely. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #8
Very true. They are meant to discourage the left. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #13
+1000 n/t FSogol Mar 2014 #24
It's Twenty Four Business Hours of Dumb alcibiades_mystery Mar 2014 #2
There You Go, Sir: His Name Is Legion, He Contains Multitudes.... The Magistrate Mar 2014 #3
They are caricatures. It's what Ideologues on the left and right both do. KittyWampus Mar 2014 #4
those strawmen on the left are totally wrong about Obama Enrique Mar 2014 #5
perhaps, maybe, naw, who knows, depends Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #6
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #7
Just as soon as the FEMA internment camps open. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #9
flawless Supersedeas Mar 2014 #12
Welcome Back! You were sorely missed. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2014 #15
1-5 to leave this post....nt msanthrope Mar 2014 #18
Someone alerted on that???? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2014 #28
They saw what you did there treestar Mar 2014 #49
We've got a very "discerning" group of alerters there, huh? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2014 #51
The difference is how the two sides react to the memes tularetom Mar 2014 #10
Agree ... and in fact ... JoePhilly Mar 2014 #11
He can't win! Between the teabaggers and the firebaggers, there's not much daylight. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2014 #14
your distortions and simplifications are pretty insane too. cali Mar 2014 #16
I'd need to use many more expletives to come anywhere close. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #17
+1! That's gonna leave a mark. -nt Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #19
He's also a muslim .... johnp3907 Mar 2014 #20
That's another good one. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #21
I had second thoughts after I posted it. johnp3907 Mar 2014 #23
Who called him a "warmonger" - haven't seen that. polichick Mar 2014 #22
Go back to the threads on Libya, Egypt, Syria ... JoePhilly Mar 2014 #25
It's one thing to say that he, as president, is under the thumb of the mic... polichick Mar 2014 #26
And yet he hasn't invaded any of those places. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #29
And he keeps us in the Middle East because the mic (which is all about profit)... polichick Mar 2014 #31
So he got us out of Iraq to keep us in the Middle East? JoePhilly Mar 2014 #32
"We'll be leaving" - lol, he's been president since 2009. polichick Mar 2014 #34
We're out of Iraq, and exiting Afganistan JoePhilly Mar 2014 #35
We've stayed until now - and we'll still have... polichick Mar 2014 #36
OMG maybe 3000 troops!!! ... wow. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #37
Did you read what the military wants? There's always a tug-of-war (so to speak)... polichick Mar 2014 #39
I know what the military wants. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #40
Who's pretending the prez is giving them exactly what they want? polichick Mar 2014 #44
No one. Absolutely no one. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #45
Exactly. polichick Mar 2014 #46
Except when Obama was definitely going to invade, Syria, Egypt, and Libya ... JoePhilly Mar 2014 #47
I don't know - that's a lot of generalizing. polichick Mar 2014 #48
He was also never going to end DADT because the MIC was against it. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #54
K&R I am always amazed at right wingers treestar Mar 2014 #27
lol ... that's another great one. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #30
Will Full Ignorance. n/t Whisp Mar 2014 #33
+1 Jamaal510 Mar 2014 #52
hahaha Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #38
You forgot Marxist, Socknews likes that one a lot. Rex Mar 2014 #41
That one's great fun because they get to ... JoePhilly Mar 2014 #42
Yes! When they say Marxist one day then Fascist the next... Rex Mar 2014 #43
He's "indecisive" but he's a "dictator". JaneyVee Mar 2014 #50
There you go with the hippie punching again... Jamaal510 Mar 2014 #53
Awesome ... GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #55
Thanks for expanding the caricature to prove my point. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #56

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
8. Oh yea ... absolutely.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:41 PM
Mar 2014

The phenomenon I'm pointing out here has been going on since Obama took office in a rather obvious way.

Take the ACA. When that was being debated I noticed MSNBC would have a RW pundit on, who would trash the ACA for being socialism. When that person finished, the host would ask the LW pundit to describe why the left hated the ACA. Basically, they provided two opposite messages side by side, in which each side talked about why their voters should hate the ACA.

You see it on almost every topic. That's how Obama can be a thug, planning to give reparations to undeserving blacks, while also being a puppet of the 1%.

The caricatures are designed to anger the right, discourage the left. And the intent, reduce turn out from Dems while increasing it for the GOP.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
4. They are caricatures. It's what Ideologues on the left and right both do.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:38 PM
Mar 2014

When all you see is black and white, you aren't left with a full spectrum view of reality.

Response to JoePhilly (Original post)

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
10. The difference is how the two sides react to the memes
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:19 PM
Mar 2014

Right wingers typically get angry, sometimes irrationally angry, and make an effort (always noisy, usually ineffective) to change things.

Democrats analyze the situation to death and wind up doing jack shit. Paralysis by analysis.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
11. Agree ... and in fact ...
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:25 PM
Mar 2014

I think the opposite memes model I mention goes well beyond this situation. And the memes are structured to (1) Anger the right wing, and (2) discourage the left.

The GOP's efforts (with media help) to suppress the vote goes beyond voter ID laws and things like that. The attacks on Obama and the Democrats are designed to make the RW angry, while discouraging the left.

Having a weak President angers the right. They'll be energized to try and replace him.

Having a warmonger as the President they elected means voting doesn't matter. Might as well stay home.

Same with the corporatist versus socialist memes.

Anger the right, discourage the left ... and maybe you pick up just enough of an advantage on election day.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
21. That's another good one.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:20 PM
Mar 2014

Except on the left, the framing is that the President talks about God too much, shouldn't attend that yearly prayer breakfast, so on.

But still, its another great example of how the attacks are framed from totally disparate perspectives.

johnp3907

(3,723 posts)
23. I had second thoughts after I posted it.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:23 PM
Mar 2014

Being totally unreligious I don't know.....DO Christians and Muslims routinely go to each others churches?

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
25. Go back to the threads on Libya, Egypt, Syria ...
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:32 PM
Mar 2014

In each case, we were told that the President was a puppet of the MIC, and he was going to invade those countries "Iraq style", creating more endless war.

Each time it was a done deal, definitely going to happen, he wanted it to happen. There are folks who have actually claimed that the US under Obama, has started a bunch of new wars ... counting Libya, Syria and Egypt when they have done so.

He was definitely going to bomb Iran too. He was looking for a reason.

Its been said about Afghanistan, because candidate Obama said he was going to increase troops in Afghanistan, and then did so as President. That's also why we get told he'll never end that war.

Even as he was closing down the Iraq war, it was also claimed. He wasn't really going to end that war ... nope never. He was part of the MIC and we were never leaving. Bastard!

And of course its being insinuated now. These two opposite memes are not new. They've both been active since the day he took office.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
26. It's one thing to say that he, as president, is under the thumb of the mic...
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:35 PM
Mar 2014

and another to say that he himself is a "warmonger."

Part of the ugly truth we have to face is that what Eisenhower long ago warned about has happened.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
29. And yet he hasn't invaded any of those places.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:42 PM
Mar 2014

And that term has been used at various times in the thread history I describe.

The Syria example is good because its recent. Plenty of folks here were so sure that Obama was in fact hell bent on invading Syria, that they predicted the endless war that he was going to start there, would be THE THING that would destroy his legacy.

That's how bad he wanted that war. Then Putin robbed him of it.

The President is CIC, after all, so yea he might be involved with using our Military from time to time.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
31. And he keeps us in the Middle East because the mic (which is all about profit)...
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:50 PM
Mar 2014

insists on it. Don't kid yourself about why we use the military where we do.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
32. So he got us out of Iraq to keep us in the Middle East?
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:55 PM
Mar 2014

And we'll be leaving Afghanistan as another way to stay in the Middle East?

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
35. We're out of Iraq, and exiting Afganistan
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:59 PM
Mar 2014

on the timeline he called for, by the end of this year.

What part of those facts leads to us staying in the ME as you claimed?

polichick

(37,152 posts)
39. Did you read what the military wants? There's always a tug-of-war (so to speak)...
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:25 PM
Mar 2014

and usually the mic gets its way - which is why Eisenhower made that warning speech.

(With you, it's always a kneejerk reaction - reading helps.)

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
40. I know what the military wants.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:28 PM
Mar 2014

They wanted to keep full troop strength in Iraq, wants to keep full strength in Afghanistan, wanted to bomb Iran, and invade Egypt, Libya, and Syria.

But they aren't getting what they want in any of these places.

But let's pretend the President is giving them exactly what they want.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
47. Except when Obama was definitely going to invade, Syria, Egypt, and Libya ...
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:56 PM
Mar 2014

... then, in each case, yes ... much of DU was absolutely sure that Obama was going to give them everything they wanted.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
54. He was also never going to end DADT because the MIC was against it.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 09:06 PM
Mar 2014

That's what we were told right here on DU.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
27. K&R I am always amazed at right wingers
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:38 PM
Mar 2014

finding him so incompetent that he is able to turn a 235 year old republic into a communist totalitarian state. That sure takes some incompetence! 43 prior presidents did not manage to make themselves dictators. Yet Obama is so incompetent he pulled it off. As a Kenyan, too!

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
30. lol ... that's another great one.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:44 PM
Mar 2014

He's an brainy professorial elitist who is also stupid, lazy, and in over his head.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
42. That one's great fun because they get to ...
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:33 PM
Mar 2014

Alternate ... one day Marxist, then Socialist, then Fascist ... Corporatist gets thrown in for the left.

Any word that ends in "ist" can be used in this game.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
43. Yes! When they say Marxist one day then Fascist the next...
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:39 PM
Mar 2014



True. No good GOPuker would call Obama a corporatist...even though the NYSE is at an all time high and we are carving away at that Republican deficit!

Here is one for you! At work, I overheard someone say THEY are working on making it possible for Obama to have a third term!
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