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sheshe2

(83,324 posts)
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 06:06 PM Mar 2014

Read This One Document To Understand What The Christian Right Hopes To Gain From Hobby Lobby

Snip:

The Firewall

In case there is any doubt, the Manhattan Declaration is a stunningly radical document. It opposes not just abortion and marriage equality, but also “non-marital sexual cohabitation” and “the discredited idea of unilateral divorce.” The Declaration also ends with a pledge to openly defy the law. “[W]e will not comply with any edict that purports to compel our institutions to participate in abortions . . . nor will we bend to any rule purporting to force us to bless immoral sexual partnerships [or] treat them as marriages or the equivalent[.]”

Shortly after Gov. Jan Brewer (R-AZ) vetoed the Arizona bill, however, one of the nation’s most prominent social conservatives explained that conservative objections to reproductive liberty and marriage equality do not necessarily need to end in civil disobedience. Marriage equality, the New York Times‘ Ross Douthat claimed, is inevitable. Yet, when it comes, Douthat also hoped for a world where, if “a Mormon caterer or a Catholic photographer objected to working at a same-sex wedding,” the rest of the country would allow them to “opt out” of any legal obligation to comply with anti-discrimination laws.

Douthat framed this kind of arrangement as the terms of social conservatives’ “surrender,” although it is a weird kind of surrender that allows the losing side to dictate terms to the victors at the moment that society has recognized many of their longstanding views as abhorrent. If Brown v. Board of Education had followed Douthat’s logic, it would have said that segregated schools violate the Constitution — except that whites-only schools are fine in Alabama and Mississippi.

Nevertheless, Douthat’s column provides a helpful window into the kind of reasoning that animates the Hobby Lobby litigation, the bill Brewer vetoed and the Manhattan Declaration. The logic of all three is that religious conservatives must comply with the law — but only up to a point. When the law asks employers to cover abortions that aren’t actually abortions, or when it asks them to treat gay men, lesbians and bisexuals as if they are human beings entitled to the same dignity as straight men and women, then the Christian right must be given a special right to defy the law. And if the courts won’t give it to them, then the Manhattan Declaration calls upon conservative Christians to refuse to comply with the law regardless.

If Hobby Lobby and Conestoga Wood lose, then it remains to be seen whether either of them will actually take up this call for disobedience. Should they win, however, there should be no doubt what the Christian right’s next move will be. The Manhattan Declaration lays out two foes: reproductive liberty and gay rights. Hobby Lobby asks the Court to take care of the former. The next lawsuit will target the latter — and it will be able to cite Hobby Lobby as a powerful precedent supporting anti-gay discrimination.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/03/24/3416549/hobby-lobby-they-have-a-plan/


It is a long article and I started at the end. Much more here:http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/03/24/3416549/hobby-lobby-they-have-a-plan/
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Read This One Document To Understand What The Christian Right Hopes To Gain From Hobby Lobby (Original Post) sheshe2 Mar 2014 OP
Great read underpants Mar 2014 #1
The religious mercuryblues Mar 2014 #2
They want free picture frames.. deaniac21 Mar 2014 #3
They are using their PAYMENT of health insurance as their right to object BrotherIvan Mar 2014 #4
Kick! n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #5
... sheshe2 Mar 2014 #6
Thanks she.. :( Cha Mar 2014 #7

mercuryblues

(14,491 posts)
2. The religious
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 06:36 PM
Mar 2014

right would be right at home with terrorism. Killing Doctors has proven that. Their leaders won't do it. They will just start their own station, spout shit about librulz in the hopes one of their viewers/listener will go far enough over the cliff and do their dirty work for them.

GOTV and get their cohorts out of office.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
4. They are using their PAYMENT of health insurance as their right to object
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 07:07 PM
Mar 2014

So fuck them, pass single payer, and we won't have a problem. Employers should have no part of health care or personal choices. Money should not equal power over an individual, though sadly, it has become synonymous.

The idea that an employer pays an employee a specified amount for a specific task is gone: i.e. doing a job. They, like so many companies and managers I have worked for think that they pay me for my time and during that time, they OWN me. I have been told I cannot drink or eat except at specific times, when I am allowed to use the restroom, how I should dress and cut my hair. I was told I had to work unpaid overtime if I wanted to keep my job, including holidays. I was not allowed to take earned vacation time at my convenience, but theirs, and was often told I could not take the time all at once. All of this added up to the idea that my salary was a kind of indentured servitude where they were entitled not just to the fruits of my labor but to my very person.

Hobby Lobby and others want to control their employees the same way. They say it's about the owners' conscience, when in fact it is making sure the employee is not able to make their own decisions. So sickening.

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