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Last edited Mon Mar 31, 2014, 11:00 AM - Edit history (1)
Today I received 2 separate emails from the Democratic Party asking me for cash. That makes 19 in the past two weeks.
I took a quick look through the 19, and not one of them says what the Democratic Party will be doing to help the 99%. Most just ask for money. Some tell me that they need money or else -- Republicans may repeal ObamaCare, or take over Congress. And there's a couple that want me to enter a sweepstakes for a trip to see LBJ in NYC with Biden, I think.
What would be so awful about setting some positive goals and fighting like mother@#$%ers to achieve 'em for the 99%? That's how we take back the House and keep the Senate, by fighting and winning battles for the 99%, not by sweepstakes and pointing out that the other guys are worse.
I know, I suck for saying this. But I can't imagine that I'm the only one who feels this way.
Update Let me be crystal clear here: I'm highly in favor in fundraising, and in contributing - I give to candidates, including Elizabeth Warren (of course) and Barack Obama. What I'm against is playing defense instead of offense, of selling a political party like this:
ProSense
(116,464 posts)but I'm broke.
senseandsensibility
(16,973 posts)without promising reform?
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Do you stand with Democratic control of the Senate -- or do you want to hand the gavel over to Mitch McConnell? Do you stand with President Obamas agenda to fight for working families or do you want two more years of unbearable gridlock?
Lets do the math: Right now, nine 2014 Senate races are within single digits. NINE. And Republicans only need to win six to take control of the Senate.
So we have a choice: We can either sit back and let the millionaires and billionaires and big corporations take control, or we can stand for working people and fight back.
I cant overstate how important it is for us to raise $900,000 more for Democratic Senate candidates across the country. Our deadline is in 72 hours -- can you pitch in $3 right away? Your gift will be matched.
Karl Rove and the Koch brothers are trying to buy a Senate that is rigged in favor of the rich and powerful. They just spent another $30 million in attack ads, and they are just getting started.
If we let that happen, youd better believe that everything President Obama fights for will be brought to a screeching halt. Democrats need to hang on to the Senate so that we can fight for middle class families and so that we can work to give everyone a fighting chance to build a future.
But I also know that when we stand up and fight, we can beat the most powerful interests. We did it in Massachusetts in 2012, and we can still do it in states all across the country in 2014.
Things are too close to sit back and watch from the sidelines. Will you join me and fight back?
Please join me and pitch in $3 before the deadline in just 72 hours. Your gift will be matched dollar-for-dollar, doubling its imapct.
Thank you,
Elizabeth Warren
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)Blanks
(4,835 posts)BainsBane
(53,026 posts)and that looks a lot like the emails I get. It may even be the same one, though I don't get any from Warren.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)Madeleine Albright (wtf?), Joe Biden, Barbara Boxer, Chuck Schumer ... plus all the organizations DSCC, DCCC, Organizing for Action, MoveOn, Vote Vets .... oh, and Tammy Duckworth and Brad Schneider
And this is just looking at the names in my trash in my email since yesterday: there have been 30 emails in two days asking for money.
Really, the more you give, the more of these emails you get. I think they don't understand that it just turns people off.
JI7
(89,244 posts)i'm guessing since you pay attention more you have probably signed up to recieve mail from most of them which is why you get so many.
but for most people i think they just get it from their own local and maybe a couple of the national party ones.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)I have no idea why Jeff Merkley, for instance, writes to me three times a week. I live in Illinois, and have been to Oregon only twice in my lifetime.
I have made donations to (or in the case of OFA, worked for) a couple of these groups in the past: I think they sell or share their email lists and it just starts to grow geometrically. It makes me nuts.
And as for Manny's request that they say something more important in their emails: it doesn't matter. They just want your donation. They'll be happy to say anything that gets you to press the donate button, but it doesn't mean anything.
(I'd rather they told me exactly how their money will be spent--say, hiring staff or paying rent on a campaign office; but I've given up on that. I know they think they get more results from scream headlines about Republicans.)
pangaia
(24,324 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)You're broke? how can that be? I thought you were a paid poster here?
In all seriousness, I'm going to assume that you support what Ms. Warren is saying.
(I got the the same email)
I donated money, BTW. I really must hate the 3rd, way....
senseandsensibility
(16,973 posts)to promise us that they'll work for us. I get the same e-mails. Pathetic.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)and given the fact that RWers are rampant racists, and refuse to work with Democrats?
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Browns got his whole shtick the pickup truck, the Im an everyman message. But as anyone who watched his 2012 campaign against Elizabeth Warren knows, he only cares about three things: Big Oil, Big Banks, and most of all Scott Brown.
He will be the best-funded candidate in New Hampshire history.
The Koch brothers and right-wing Super PACs have already spent almost $1.5 million attacking Jeanne this year. The second Brown announced, Karl Roves American Crossroads launched a $650,000 attack ad buy.
Jeanne needs our help immediately to fight back against the Super PACs. With just 39 hours before the midnight FEC deadline, Jeanne has $153,290 left to raise. I need you to pitch in right now.
Donate what you can spare to Jeanne right away we cant let Big Oil and the big banks buy Scott Brown another Senate seat.
Now that Browns in, the right-wing Super PAC cash thats already gushing into New Hampshire will double or even triple. In 2012, Brown took $5.5 million from Wall Street and big financial interests alone more than anyone else running for Congress that year. I shudder to think what they have planned for Jeanne.
Lets not wait to find out. Please contribute now, before the books close on this critical FEC quarter, so that Jeanne has the resources to fight back and help hold our Democratic majority.
Donate what you can spare to Jeanne right away we cant let our middle-class champion be replaced by special-interest darling Scott Brown.
Thanks for standing with Jeanne.
Howard Dean
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)They remind me of televangelists.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)No you're not.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)I toss 'em all in the trash. Why should I give him anymore money, he isn't running for anything.
I made a sizeable (for me) donation to him in 2008, somewhat less in 2012. I guess I got my money's worth. He didn't cut social security like he hinted he might.
Ron Obvious
(6,261 posts)I feel the exact same way. The Democratic Party all but hold you upside down to shake the coins out of your pocket.
At least that's what it feels like. And nothing but threats about the Republicans like you said.
It feels like a shakedown, not an inspiration to contribute to a larger good.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)and unsubsctibed from every political group like move on.org and every politician I've been getting emails from. My inbox will be a lot less crowded from now on. But it was annoying that most seemed to make unsubscribing a bit of a hassle.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)I'd would say it is high time they wake up and start to figure out what they are doing wrong.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)Thanks for the laugh; I really needed it!
Democrats, every one of them, should have fought like hell for single payer health care or at least the public option. That's all I'm going to say about why I was in such a bad mood last night.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Don't push free trade deals then tell me you want me to donate to your campaign.
Don't push Chained CPI then ask for money from someone that is having a tough time paying for the basics.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Visiting LBJ while you are there.
Any number of news places would be interested. The Enquirer pays good money - I'd say it might be worth a small donation just to have chance at this trip.
I am not sure how the DLC will lure LBJ's ghost to NYC. He was a Texas man, pure and simple, and I can't really see him hanging out at Le Cirque.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)I highly recommend the play, anyone who can get to NYC should do so, see the play and be ready for the sequel 'Great Society' which will be following in a year or two.
BainsBane
(53,026 posts)I'm not the only one who sees the irony in this OP?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Justin -- The 2014 election boils down to one question: Whose side do you stand on?
Do you stand with Democratic control of the Senate -- or do you want to hand the gavel over to Mitch McConnell? Do you stand with President Obamas agenda to fight for working families or do you want two more years of unbearable gridlock?
Lets do the math: Right now, nine 2014 Senate races are within single digits. NINE. And Republicans only need to win six to take control of the Senate.
So we have a choice: We can either sit back and let the millionaires and billionaires and big corporations take control, or we can stand for working people and fight back.
I cant overstate how important it is for us to raise $900,000 more for Democratic Senate candidates across the country. Our deadline is in 72 hours -- can you pitch in $3 right away? Your gift will be matched.
Karl Rove and the Koch brothers are trying to buy a Senate that is rigged in favor of the rich and powerful. They just spent another $30 million in attack ads, and they are just getting started.
If we let that happen, youd better believe that everything President Obama fights for will be brought to a screeching halt. Democrats need to hang on to the Senate so that we can fight for middle class families and so that we can work to give everyone a fighting chance to build a future.
But I also know that when we stand up and fight, we can beat the most powerful interests. We did it in Massachusetts in 2012, and we can still do it in states all across the country in 2014.
Things are too close to sit back and watch from the sidelines. Will you join me and fight back?
Please join me and pitch in $3 before the deadline in just 72 hours. Your gift will be matched dollar-for-dollar, doubling its imapct.
Thank you,
Elizabeth Warren
Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)I said it seems that Election Day doesn't matter, its all about the $$$. Nobody talks about GOTV or boots on the ground, just 'send money'. I was pretty pissed and said that its all about the money.
And the first response to my post was someone calling me a Right Wing troll. LOL.
loudsue
(14,087 posts)Tell them what they're doing wrong, and tell them what you want! I've been doing that since Obama came out in favor of chained CPI for social security. I've let them know that ONLY CANDIDATES THAT STAND UP FOR DEMOCRATIC VALUES will be getting my money....NOT the national party....until they stop being the party of corporate interests, and STOP talking shit about populist ideas.
I let them know: "In case you weren't aware of it, THE POPULATION cares about POPULIST ideas!!! Read your damned history!!!" Of course, they're going to do whatever they damned well please, but Obama did quit pushing for chained CPI.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)I get them every day...and frankly I don't even bother to read them...they are all basically the same...pimping the fear of the GOP.
And it is always helpful to have a bad cop around to scare the shit out of you...there is money in it.
It is so much easier than coming up with a plan to help us out that would offend the big money donors.
TexasTowelie
(112,070 posts)We need your help to help retain the Senate in Democratic control so that the president can have federal judges pass through the nomination process and to place justices on the Supreme Court if vacancies occur. These changes will help to overturn bad decisions such as the Citizens United ruling, promote equality and repeal laws that do not promote progressive principles.
That isn't a comprehensive list, but it should serve as a start. I'm certain that some others will want to add to that list.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)No Vested Interest
(5,165 posts)I get them from various national Dem entities as well as one or more state orgnizations.
I'm not a huge donor by any means, - never was.
I have so many charitable solicitations, religious and non-religious. At least they send me address labels, calendars, note paper or greeting cards, etc. and I send a small donation if I'm going to use the "gift".
I've assumed I can't get off the political lists, since I'm a registered Dem. and that's public information, so I just delete the political requests.
I got a phone call from the state organization the other day, asking for $50. I cut the figure way back & said send me a notice; they wanted me to promise I'd send it back in several days.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Have you noticed that you MUST provide your email address when you sign a petition? For that reason, I no longer sign online petitions sponsored by any kind of groups - political, religious, charitable, etc. You may be a registered Dem but that information does not include your phone number or email address - just your mailing address.
No Vested Interest
(5,165 posts)I try to not give my email out, even to for-profit orqanizations.
Sure don't need any extra spam email.
mimi85
(1,805 posts)I'm not on any of THEIR lists, but I can just imagine those emails.
So there will be a hologram of LBJ? I might like to see THAT.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)I wish them luck. I donate when I can. They're not making this shit up. Democratic leaders are being attacked -- the more effective they are, or the bigger the threat they pose to the dangerous and destructive ideology of the right wing, the more fierce the attacks.
Its a poor way to conduct public campaigns, but that's the way it is.
No, I'm not bothered by requests for contributions from Democratic Party candidates.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)i swear every dem has my e-mail. i think my money can be put to better use by giving it to our local food bank.
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)Currently getting money requests from Alan Grayson (although his are informative/amusing), Debbie Stabenow, Elizabeth Warren, Patrick Leahy, Dick Durbin, Barbara Lee, Nancy Pelosi, and a couple others. DCC and DFA sent out polls with money requests, and I wrote on the forms I only support individual candidates. Those have seemed to stop. Bold Progressives I do pay attention to, along with VoteVets.
Let's hear it for public campaign financing.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I will not support candidates that favor outsourcing our manufacturing jobs or trimming barely adequate "entitlements" while favoring wasteful and unjustifiable military spending.
Right is right and wrong is wrong.
Just being better than the lunatics is only an excuse to move to the right on the issues.
If candidates want my support they will:
1. Make it clear where they stand on the issues.
2. If my issues aren't among those addressed do not expect support from me.
Oakenshield
(614 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I learn new fax every day on the DU..
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Oh look, another fundraising letter, just gonna throw it away...
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Recycling this golden oldie, and all....
mopinko
(70,070 posts)Autumn
(45,030 posts)Who else are you going to vote for? Come election time we are going to vote for the Democrats, don't matter what the democrats do or don't do republicans suck. I unsubscribed from everyone except Elizabeth, Udall and Bernie.
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)Last edited Mon Mar 31, 2014, 10:09 AM - Edit history (1)
You're on a roll here. I got similar emails, including ones from Elizabeth Warren and Dean. All were asking for money to help maintain control of the Senate and try to get control of the House.
I donated what I could. You got annoyed. That appears to be a major difference between us. I'm working on and contributing to efforts to put Democrats in charge. You're deleting requests for donations that will help to do that and trashing those requests on a website called Democratic Underground.
Great job, Manny! Please proceed.
Sincerely,
GOTV-Way MineralManny
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)MineralMan
(146,284 posts)I know you've seen this, but here's a DU link to another thread on this subject:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024758073
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)I suppose the annoyed folks could use the "unsubscribe" link most of those emails have, but that would take far more effort than coming to DU and complaining.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I don't object to being asked to contribute. I don't mind contributing either. I even gave to Obama in 2008, based on what he said he was going to do.
What I do mind is a campaign that asks me to contribute without even attempting to say "Hey! We're going to do X" and then going off and fighting like Hell for X. C'mon Democrats: play offense.
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)We get your message, loudly, frequently, and clearly. We understand you completely.
You're doing a great job. Please proceed.
Best wishes,
GOTV-Way MineralManny
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)How are things compared to 30 years ago?
Compared to 5 years ago?
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)get control of the Senate, Manny? I deal with the future, and always have.
How do you think they'll go if we can get control of both houses of Congress? That's why I'm donating to specific Democrats who have a chance to pick up a House seat from the Republicans.
I'm sowing election activism. You're sowing pessimism. Which do you think will have the better effect?
All the best,
GOTV-Way MineralManny
reddread
(6,896 posts)never mind the fine print. its not even there.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Too challenging to answer?
reddread
(6,896 posts)you might prefer Classic Dem to the new formula being marketed, but who asked you to do anything but be quiet?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)The Republicans have been working at this since Goldwater lost. You're pissed Democrats did not undo that work in 5 years.
Yes, your expectations are unreasonable.
And you will be disappointed by the next Democratic president. And the one after that. By the one after that, we will have started making decent headway, but you'll still find something to be disappointed about.
reddread
(6,896 posts)Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #66)
tridim This message was self-deleted by its author.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)It's a logical fallacy.
It happens all the time on online discussion forums. Instead of commenting on the substance of the post, people will attack the poster.
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)I said what I'm doing instead of complaining about donation requests. I did comment on the poster's post. You just didn't like my comments. As for going after the poster, the poster said what he said. I replied. That's how discussion works. I explained how I handle those donation requests. That's addressing the content of the post. I even started my own OP, which you might enjoy reading.
All are about the content of the post, which cannot be separated from the poster who made it.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)And taking apart his argument in past posts does not result in any differences in the next post.
The poster is pissed that Democrats have not reversed everything the Republicans have worked on for the last 50 years. In 5 years. With a 1-vote margin, at best.
Point this out, or otherwise remind this poster about what has been accomplished, and it does nothing. You just get another angry "why didn't Democrats change everything?!!!" post the next day.
As a result, it becomes abundantly clear that the poster is not at all interested in discussing the subject. He's interested in being pissed off. The content of the posts doesn't matter, he just wants to be mad. So there's no point in discussing the content.
reddread
(6,896 posts)you, on the other hand dont appear to question murky and wrongheaded policy.
you do attack other posters.
which is the act of divisiveness,
and which the act of grassroots solidarity?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Nope, I do evil things like point out we did not have the votes to pass the correct policy. For example, we did not have enough votes to pass single-payer. Then I go on to talk about how we can use the ACA to get the correct policy.
At which point, someone like you attacks, claiming that Obama could have gotten the votes somehow.
Well, setting expectations in the stratosphere and then spending 5 years bitching that they were not reached is rather devastating to a community.
And constantly attacking the wrong target is also quite unhelpful - demanding that the President pass laws and then getting angry when he isn't a dictator is also quite devastating to a community.
But hey, you know that, right? You're only interested in building community, not just throwing out insults like "Obama worshiper". Because that would be rather damaging to the community too.
Oh wait....
reddread
(6,896 posts)you couldnt find a cite for any of your make believe accusations if your life depended on it.
hardly part of the deal for you, is it?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)But you've been in plenty of threads.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)instead of playing lip service. The problem is, they've bullshitted the American public for so long that people just aren't interested in hearing it. It's like the lover who's cheated on you time and time again. After awhile their "I'm sorry" just doesn't mean anything.
polichick
(37,152 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)While the GOP relies on a small base of huge donations.
Which do you prefer?
Your OP is poppycock.
SunsetDreams
(8,571 posts)I know, we needed to be informed or asked or something. Thanks for letting me know!
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Mail Message
On Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:02 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
At least they could *try*
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024757040
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
This post is baseless criticism of the Democratic Party. The poster knows very well what the Democratic Parity is doing to try to help the 99%. Him saying otherwise is just not believable. The party relies on a large number of small donations. This post is disruptive at the least, disenfranchising at the worse.
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MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I just assume that everything I post is alerted on, hopefully I'm wrong. Interesting to see the results sometimes.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)then no one else can alert on your op.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Try alerting on your own post.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)pecwae
(8,021 posts)is so weak minded that a post on DU would prevent him/her from supporting Democrats. Very sad.
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Laelth
(32,017 posts)What I find particularly offensive are the e-mails and letters that ask for my opinion (as if any of these solicitors care one bit about my opinion). They ignore me, so I ignore them. I consider this fair.
-Laelth
Autumn
(45,030 posts)Does that sound good in a letter asking for donations to fight the evil republicans?
Now I really do have to run. A hedgehog is on it's way
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)When did this start happening?
Sid
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Yes you did.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)I want to know what I am paying for. What doesn't come with the package would be helpful too.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)you know "the terrorists will git ya", or "if you don't vote D you'll end up with R's", yadda yadda yadda
It's pathetic.
-p
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)You know, groups that actually do something and have ideals.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)evilhime
(326 posts)Most of them saying the same dire warnings and as you say nothing positive about what they plan only how they have to fight to defeat the other guys. I have begun to systematically unsubscribe to most of them and stating as my reason too many begging emails a day. But if I sign a petition, or donate to one candidate, the mails start up all over again even if I select when given the option not to receive mails. OR i stop receiving mail from one senator and another starts . . . that alone is starting to turn me off to their requests .