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kysrsoze

(6,019 posts)
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 12:46 PM Mar 2014

We Need to Stop Focusing on One Figurehead and Get Back to Real Issues, Or We Will Pay Dearly

I've been on DU for over a decade, and these days, I see a collective group which appears to have lost focus. I took a step back from all the positive/negative Obama posts, reading dozens and dozens of arguments from both sides, and I feel this divisiveness is a poison. Rather than focusing on the true enemies, so many "progressives" and "Obamabots" here have chosen infighting. Sure there are a few for which Obama can do almost no wrong, but they are a small minority. Some people see a liar. I see an often flawed pragmatist who is not the turncoat liar he is described as being, or a "piece of shit used car salesman." With the exception of FDR, I can't think of any other president who has systematically stood by campaign promises and consistently done the right thing. I can only think of few politicians who have been even remotely "pure" in actions and words. However, this is all beside the point.

The media, discussion groups, general public, have so much to talk about when it comes to Obama, and often little else otherwise. Obama obsession is a symptom of the underlying problem. You can have a President who does lots of good things or bad things, but a President can only do so much in that role, and it is all is influenced by the power structure beneath and around him/her. The makeup of the House and Senate, and their actions, will have a huge amount of influence on what sort of battles the Executive Office feels they can realistically fight. The media also have a huge influence on this. I'll guarantee you if we had a heavily Democratic House and Senate (or in a perfect world... people focused on the public good, with lots of real independents - not embarrassed Republicans) and media interested in true reporting, you'd see a much different side of any president... or even better nominees, like Warren or Sanders.

We now have this semi-official purist/pragmatist test for being a "progressive" or a "true democrat," and it hides the true problem, because it focuses on ONE person. We're all so hyper-focused on what OBAMA did or didn't do/say. There's endless bickering about "Obamacare," rather than what it really is called... The Affordable Care Act. It's all focused on whether Obama is some sort of prophet or complete demon. People have forgotten how right of center Clinton was at times. There are a LOT of things which I don't like about what Obama has said or done (domestic spying, drones, etc.), and the same goes for Clinton. However, on their worst days, they have been nowhere near the level of outright cynicism and deviousness displayed by nearly ever Republican member of the House and Senate. Just follow Darrell Issa's actions for a single day.

What really irks me is the complete lack of focus by most House/Senate Democrats and party strategists, who have run away from ACA and Democratic principles/issues, rather than fighting back and focusing on the bigger picture. When the election cycles come, they're so quick to abandon their principles. The way in which Democrats laid down and served Jimmy Carter up for the slaughter is a prime example of the way the party has operated for a long time. On top of that, you have media outlets who constantly play into the whole thing and fixate on Obama over Congress. When was the last time you heard anything about the wretched disaster Congress has become?

All this fixation and extreme negativity/positivity toward Obama rather than Congress and actual issues is, in my opinion, what is likely to end up handing the Senate over to Republicans in November. If we can't get past this current obsession over the actions of one person and focus on the public good, the Senate will be Republican-controlled in the fall, with the only potential damage control being the Senate filibuster process.

BTW - Hats off to Grasswire for a great post related to this subject, and starting the right discussion.

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randome

(34,845 posts)
1. Totally agree. On issues, we can find more common ground.
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 12:49 PM
Mar 2014

All the pro and con talk about Obama does nothing to advance our causes.
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flamingdem

(39,308 posts)
7. Maybe here on DU but otherwise this is a RW talking point
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 01:23 PM
Mar 2014

Obama still enjoys popularity and he'll help in November in many races.

We've got a good thing going and that's one reason why there have been multiple posts advising us not to focus on Obama.

Why placate the tiny vocal minority here who insist on damaging morale and turning off new members who are here precisely because they want to support Obama. In fact that might be the reason they voted and even why they bothered to register.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
11. Good point. I have been short-sighted.
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 02:34 PM
Mar 2014

Momentum for 2014 is very important. We won't get that if we ignore the positives.
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flamingdem

(39,308 posts)
12. Or maybe you haven't been on DU much the last
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 02:47 PM
Mar 2014

few days! So many posts had this same message, verrry interesting.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
6. I could not agree more with this statement: "What really irks me is the ..."
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 01:18 PM
Mar 2014
What really irks me is the complete lack of focus by most House/Senate Democrats and party strategists, who have run away from ACA and Democratic principles/issues, rather than fighting back and focusing on the bigger picture.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
9. YES - the 2008/2012 campaign showed us what people are hungry for
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 02:30 PM
Mar 2014

What the people WANT and voted for. The strategists and party leaders know exactly what it is as they campaign on it and win elections on it. But when it comes to actually delivering on those promises...

Now we must DEMAND they give us an action plan. And it must contain more than promises, it must contain strategy which includes, obviously, dealing with Republican obstructionism. If they are incompetent or too weak to deal with a minority party, then they will not--nor do they deserve to--win positions of power.

Look to Vermont, look to California: there are some Democrats acting like Democrats and it is equaling large gains for those states. We must be unafraid of RWNJ whining and howling. Most of the people in this country are. Use them, use the populace to get your agenda enacted.

The biggest problem is if you actually don't want to do anything you promised and have made back room deals in exchange for $$$

This country is dying. People are in poverty, unemployed, hungry, homeless. Obama will be fine, it's not our job to defend him from verbal criticism. All this energy and activity on any thread with the word Obama, but on the policy threads, just the liberal diehards. It accomplishes nothing, except being as annoying as hell.

KT2000

(20,568 posts)
10. excellent post
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 02:30 PM
Mar 2014

A good reminder too that the Democrats served up Jimmy Carter. I recall our congressman trying to explain why they did that and it was, according to him, just petty retribution for coming in as an outsider who wanted to change things. He had the audacity to run against Congress so they circled the wagons.
Democracy does not run on high ideals but good things can be accomplished.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
13. Yes, the Obama obsession is not good. We need to be talking about issues.
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 02:54 PM
Mar 2014

And if we're talking about future elections it is even more important to focus on issues.

What do we want to do as a party moving forward? What issues are important to helping the working people? What issues are important to make sure corporate power is diminished in politics?

How can we get Dem candidates on the right path to running strong campaigns where they are playing offense and putting forth something positive that people will get excited about and flock to the polls? Playing defense is not a winning strategy.

If Dems would run on expanding SS and expanding the ACA they would put the R's on defense by making them state why that's a bad thing. People are seeing the benefits of the ACA now so it's a perfect time to bring up how to push that even farther to help more people. Don't word it as "fixing" it, don't even word it as "improving" it if possible, just word it as "expanding" it. That gives no room for negative connotations with it. The only negative connotation that should be associated with the ACA is that the R's spent tens of millions and had however many votes it's now up to to try to take health insurance away from the people. Oh hell, in this case call it health care. It's all about messaging.


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