Wed Apr 2, 2014, 08:41 PM

regarding WP...activism...and DU in general

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All I can say is WTF happened to DU since we went to DU3?

This used to be the NUMBER ONE site for leftist activism on the net.I remember in 2004 when I was still somewhat a lurker we had entire days worth of posts dedicated to people planning voter drives and manning polling places and GOVT work.Hell,we would have threads to make sure we had someone manning every precinct we could possibly cover.

In 2004 DU was on the cutting edge of voter fraud and voting machine fraud.We had THE big hitters of the election fraud debate posting here.If you wanted info on the vote rigging...THIS site is where you came bacause the big players were here.

We were on the forefront of animal activism here not long ago.I was the biggest no kill activist in my area until I moved and with other no kill shelter activists around the country we literally saved thousands of pets and coordinated tons and tons of food to different shelters across the country to keep things going and worked to change the laws about killing shelter animals

WE DID AMAZING THINGS!!!!WE CHANGED THE WORLD

NOW?We just fight and argue and parse words and take each others posts out of context and act like schoolyard bullies.

I don't care about saving DU3...DU3 is nothing but a bunch of bullies trying to win the playground fight.I want DU2 with the mods and the old system back.Maybe then we can get back the old feeling of community

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regarding WP...activism...and DU in general (Original post)	backwoodsbob	Apr 2014	OP
Irony is not fucking dead.	LeftyMom	Apr 2014	#1
seriously...how many years are you going to stalk me	backwoodsbob	Apr 2014	#2
You kind of walked into that one.	Gidney N Cloyd	Apr 2014	#4
not really	backwoodsbob	Apr 2014	#5
BWB, the thing you're known best for here is shooting that dog.	Gidney N Cloyd	Apr 2014	#12
well you didn't just shoot the dog, you bragged about it	CreekDog	Apr 2014	#16
OMG wtf? nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Apr 2014	#57
Whaaaaaaat....the.....fuuuuuck?	Cali_Democrat	Apr 2014	#104
not really, it has never been like that	JI7	Apr 2014	#3
Nope. Been here since March (or April) 2001, and DU is as it ever was n/t	Blaukraut	Apr 2014	#21
LOL	tammywammy	Apr 2014	#6
Post removed	Post removed	Apr 2014	#8
HAHAHHA, didn't you say that before ?	JI7	Apr 2014	#10
It looks that way to me.	In_The_Wind	Apr 2014	#14
we are the lucky ones	CreekDog	Apr 2014	#48
He did have a dramatic exit before. He's flagged for review now.	morningfog	Apr 2014	#90
This message was self-deleted by its author	tammywammy	Apr 2014	#11
You mean you were the biggest no kill activist when you weren't killing dogs,	Jamastiene	Apr 2014	#7
Post removed	Post removed	Apr 2014	#9
i hope this one lived	CreekDog	Apr 2014	#13
I think people need to let the dog shooting thing go	BainsBane	Apr 2014	#15
So, no kill should really mean, no kill unless backwoodsbob feels like it?	Jamastiene	Apr 2014	#19
All I know is what was in the post above	BainsBane	Apr 2014	#20
If you saw the original thread,	Jamastiene	Apr 2014	#28
I agree fully with you, BainsBane.	NYC_SKP	Apr 2014	#31
wait skip, are you saying that Backwoodsbob regrets what he posted?	CreekDog	Apr 2014	#50
He was proud of what he did, and what he did is illegal, so it is not bullying to remind him.	Jamastiene	Apr 2014	#68
funny we're talking about dogs but you post incontrovertible proof and...	CreekDog	Apr 2014	#97
isn't shooting a chained dog a felony	CreekDog	Apr 2014	#47
first, it wouldn't have killed the other dog while chained up	CreekDog	Apr 2014	#78
If it had just happened, I might get into the details	BainsBane	Apr 2014	#79
well we're rehashing it because some here are defending what the guy did	CreekDog	Apr 2014	#82
There is a point to bring it up when he is trying to claim to be a no kill activist.	Jamastiene	Apr 2014	#88
+1 n/t	NealK	Apr 2014	#120
I commend you for saying that.	Bonobo	Apr 2014	#106
he's an example of what his OP describes	CreekDog	Apr 2014	#115
I don't see how it relates to the OP. Here is what I see:	Bonobo	Apr 2014	#116
Let it go.	NYC_SKP	Apr 2014	#32
It is not bullying when he bragged about it.	Jamastiene	Apr 2014	#74
you're the one doubting his story, not us	CreekDog	Apr 2014	#86
except that	hfojvt	Apr 2014	#54
why are you defending what is not only illegal, but likely a felony?	CreekDog	Apr 2014	#56
empathy?	hfojvt	Apr 2014	#89
you seem to be unclear about whether chaining up a dog then shooting it multiple times	CreekDog	Apr 2014	#93
Don't bother.	NYC_SKP	Apr 2014	#98
You can relate?	flvegan	Apr 2014	#112
how many dogs have you shot on a bad day?	CreekDog	Apr 2014	#113
THIS. Just this. nt	AverageJoe90	Apr 2014	#26
so you're saying backwoodsbob wishes he never shot the dog	CreekDog	Apr 2014	#52
You're the voice of reason, and probably right. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Apr 2014	#58
Really?	flvegan	Apr 2014	#108
i wonder what your drink of choice is?	CreekDog	Apr 2014	#17
Thank you for kicking this	Capt. Obvious	Apr 2014	#18
I think it was "pussies and dicks and uptight drama queens".	Dr. Strange	Apr 2014	#22
Oh my	Capt. Obvious	Apr 2014	#24
Whisp is so crazy!!!	Number23	Apr 2014	#23
Yeah, the ol "anger is a gift" shit.. anger is anger if it makes the person go ballistic and isn't	Cha	Apr 2014	#38
Yeah.	AverageJoe90	Apr 2014	#25
were you that one juror?	CreekDog	Apr 2014	#40
Is this on of those	ProSense	Apr 2014	#27
Two words.	MannyGoldstein	Apr 2014	#29
Don't forget the mocking	ProSense	Apr 2014	#35
Is there a particular TWM post that illustrates the problem?	MannyGoldstein	Apr 2014	#62
You likely do already. n/t	ProSense	Apr 2014	#64
That's pretty unfair.	MannyGoldstein	Apr 2014	#67
You know those posts are mocking.	ProSense	Apr 2014	#71
Do you feel you may have played a part in that? Or not? nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Apr 2014	#59
In personal attacks?	MannyGoldstein	Apr 2014	#60
In nurturing an atmosphere within which that became possible. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Apr 2014	#61
I somehow gave people permission for personal attacks?	MannyGoldstein	Apr 2014	#66
Hm... I didn't ask if you gave permission to, or if you attacked. I simply asked...	Sarah Ibarruri	Apr 2014	#69
Only to the extent that people holding certain views might feel silly	MannyGoldstein	Apr 2014	#72
Again, I had asked if you helped nurture an atmosphere within which that could take place.	Sarah Ibarruri	Apr 2014	#77
Does	AgingAmerican	Apr 2014	#99
His changing the question is proving a bit antagonistic. :)	Sarah Ibarruri	Apr 2014	#100
Always...	AgingAmerican	Apr 2014	#101
DU has never been without personal attacks	hfojvt	Apr 2014	#95
I warned the owners of that a few years back	nadinbrzezinski	Apr 2014	#96
Wow.	zappaman	Apr 2014	#30
This thread went a lot better then his others!	Rex	Apr 2014	#102
i guess so because he left for good	CreekDog	Apr 2014	#117
It's like the old joke goes...	Starry Messenger	Apr 2014	#33
I just sent this to the GP	Capt. Obvious	Apr 2014	#34
There is a lot of sheer ugliness in this thread.	scarletwoman	Apr 2014	#36
You're needed	Capt. Obvious	Apr 2014	#37
There are just too damn many Orcs on DU these days, and I'm no Gandolf.	scarletwoman	Apr 2014	#39
Well,	ProSense	Apr 2014	#41
Please don't bother. I've read plenty of your posts. (nt)	scarletwoman	Apr 2014	#43
She offered you links	Capt. Obvious	Apr 2014	#44
See, you're helping to change the atmosphere, right? n/t	ProSense	Apr 2014	#46
The weren't my "posts." They were OPs about me.	ProSense	Apr 2014	#45
Well you did not seem to think it was inappropriate when you made an OP pecking another DUer	Bjorn Against	Apr 2014	#65
That OP addressed specific and vile name calling. n/t	ProSense	Apr 2014	#70
Make all the excuses you want, your post was vile	Bjorn Against	Apr 2014	#73
You misunderstood	ProSense	Apr 2014	#80
Everyone can see the vile personal attack you made against Will	Bjorn Against	Apr 2014	#87
That's	ProSense	Apr 2014	#92
OH! So you believe it's perfectly all right to trash the president?	Sarah Ibarruri	Apr 2014	#75
Don't put words in my mouth.	Bjorn Against	Apr 2014	#76
Too late. I saw your post and link before you edited them. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Apr 2014	#81
I never edited my posts	Bjorn Against	Apr 2014	#83
I should've copied it so I could post it in here. Bye. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Apr 2014	#84
I can prove I did not edit it	Bjorn Against	Apr 2014	#91
Who-WEE! You're tellin' me. Cock-struttin' & nut-husslin.'	Eleanors38	Apr 2014	#49
the dog was chained when it was shot	CreekDog	Apr 2014	#42
I agree, well said. "Bullying tenor" is an apt description, and unfortunately this	petronius	Apr 2014	#53
Antidote here:	scarletwoman	Apr 2014	#55
Thank you! That is an excellent OP... (nt)	petronius	Apr 2014	#63
Scarletwoman, you speak for me. nt	Bonobo	Apr 2014	#107
Thanks for calling it out, scarletwoman	1000words	Apr 2014	#110
There are mortgages to pay, mouths to feed.	1000words	Apr 2014	#51
The PTB saw what was happening on the old DU too....	Junkdrawer	Apr 2014	#85
So long, Bob. You look to be in final stage flame out.	morningfog	Apr 2014	#94
Best thread ever. Dog killer.	flvegan	Apr 2014	#103
You have the ability to ignore this member.	TroglodyteScholar	Apr 2014	#114
the OP posted a thread in GD	CreekDog	Apr 2014	#118
No, that wasn't a response.	Bonobo	Apr 2014	#119
Dispatch we have a failsauce in progress.	Rex	Apr 2014	#105
Okay...this thread is EPIC	Cali_Democrat	Apr 2014	#109
A post saying "DU3 is nothing but a bunch of bullies trying to win the playground fight."	Junkdrawer	Apr 2014	#111

Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 08:45 PM

LeftyMom (49,212 posts)

1. Irony is not fucking dead.

We were on the forefront of animal activism here not long ago.I was the biggest no kill activist in my area until I moved and with other no kill shelter activists around the country we literally saved thousands of pets and coordinated tons and tons of food to different shelters across the country to keep things going and worked to change the laws about killing shelter animals

backwoodsbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 04:55 PM
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7. back from er

6 stitches and lots of family drama..was surreal

My wifes nephews shepperd came up here and attacked my terrier...I tried to pull them apart and his dog bit me in the arm...then jumped back on my terrier...I kicked it trying to get it off my terrier and it turned on me and bit the fuck out of my face.

6 stitches and a buttload of pain.

she's dead..oh well..I shot the son of a bitch..fuck her

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=8665082&mesg_id=8665413

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 08:47 PM

backwoodsbob (6,001 posts)

2. seriously...how many years are you going to stalk me

let it go

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 09:02 PM

Gidney N Cloyd (19,112 posts)

4. You kind of walked into that one.

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Response to Gidney N Cloyd (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 09:04 PM

backwoodsbob (6,001 posts)

5. not really

this is making my point better than I ever could.

It's about beating the other poster...not getting shit done

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 09:12 PM

Gidney N Cloyd (19,112 posts)

12. BWB, the thing you're known best for here is shooting that dog.

I won't pass judgement on whether it was needed or whether shooting is less humane than other forms of euthanasia but you did do it and for some reason you felt it necessary to bring up the animal rights thing in your OP.
If you don't want people commenting on the (arguable) irony then don't go there.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 09:30 PM

CreekDog (46,192 posts)

16. well you didn't just shoot the dog, you bragged about it

the bragging part means you are famous here for that.

completely avoidable, but it's not like you to avoid a fight.

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:17 PM

Sarah Ibarruri (21,043 posts)

57. OMG wtf? nt

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 3, 2014, 12:21 AM

Cali_Democrat (30,439 posts)

104. Whaaaaaaat....the.....fuuuuuck?

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 08:49 PM

JI7 (87,933 posts)

3. not really, it has never been like that

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Response to JI7 (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 09:45 PM

Blaukraut (5,644 posts)

21. Nope. Been here since March (or April) 2001, and DU is as it ever was n/t

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 09:05 PM

tammywammy (26,582 posts)

6. LOL

DU was always better back then. I think someone needs to take off their rose colored glasses.

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Wed Apr 2, 2014, 09:09 PM

JI7 (87,933 posts)

10. HAHAHHA, didn't you say that before ?

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Response to JI7 (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 09:26 PM

In_The_Wind (72,300 posts)

14. It looks that way to me.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024772530

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Response to JI7 (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:54 PM

CreekDog (46,192 posts)

48. we are the lucky ones

he didn't shoot us

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Response to JI7 (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:56 PM

morningfog (18,115 posts)

90. He did have a dramatic exit before. He's flagged for review now.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 09:06 PM

Jamastiene (38,174 posts)

7. You mean you were the biggest no kill activist when you weren't killing dogs,

am I right? Or am I right?

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 09:23 PM

CreekDog (46,192 posts)

13. i hope this one lived

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 09:29 PM

BainsBane (52,701 posts)

15. I think people need to let the dog shooting thing go

How long are you going to give him shit over that? It sounds like it was a dangerous situation. Regardless, it was nearly five years ago.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #15)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 09:40 PM

Jamastiene (38,174 posts)

19. So, no kill should really mean, no kill unless backwoodsbob feels like it?

No, he bragged about it. If he hadn't bragged about it, I doubt anyone would be as pissed off at him, but he bragged about it. He should not be claiming to be a no kill activist if he is not, which, according to his own bragging post, he is not.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #19)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 09:42 PM

BainsBane (52,701 posts)

20. All I know is what was in the post above

I don't know if that constitutes bragging, but it sounds like if he hadn't killed the shepherd, it would have killed the terrier. The shepherd would have then had to be put down anyway. Authorities would have insisted on it.

I'll add that I'm no fan of Bob's, and the last exchange we had he furious at me. I just don't think it's right to continually bring up stuff from years ago.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #20)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:06 PM

Jamastiene (38,174 posts)

28. If you saw the original thread,

and subsequent information he has posted about the incident, I think you would feel differently.

He shot the dog well AFTER the incident that happened AND the dog was chained at the time he shot her.
http://election.democraticunderground.com/10022831503#post53

The dog could have been taken to a vet and euthanized if that was what the police insisted. Shooting a chained dog IS enough reason to remind someone they shot the dog AND bragged about it, when they go around claiming to be a no kill activist.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #20)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:18 PM

NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)

31. I agree fully with you, BainsBane.

The handful of members who have long memories and chose, quite deliberately, to try to shame members by posting things from the past, usually in a mischaracterizing way, constitute a form of bullying and I really disapprove, to put it mildly.

I don't know the full story, none of us really do, but it's always very easy to take a few elements of a story and make the worst of it, if that's one's goal.

Very shameful.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #31)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:56 PM

CreekDog (46,192 posts)

50. wait skip, are you saying that Backwoodsbob regrets what he posted?

that he's sorry for bragging about shooting the dog?

tell us this, if he is proud and happy that he shot the dog (i assume he is since he said so on DU and has not said differently in a few years), why isn't he thanking us for reminding him of the thing he is proud of?

how can you be bullied by a post that you were proud of?

how?

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #31)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:30 PM

Jamastiene (38,174 posts)

68. He was proud of what he did, and what he did is illegal, so it is not bullying to remind him.

53. no he is right

I killed the dog in cold blood.She was chained when I shot her.

http://election.democraticunderground.com/10022831503#post53

Link is listed above.

He needs to quit claiming to be a no kill activist when he is pro kill....a chained dog, at that.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #68)

Thu Apr 3, 2014, 12:03 AM

CreekDog (46,192 posts)

97. funny we're talking about dogs but you post incontrovertible proof and...

now there's only crickets.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #20)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:50 PM

CreekDog (46,192 posts)

47. isn't shooting a chained dog a felony

http://election.democraticunderground.com/10022831503#post53

the other thing is, when the guy bragged about shooting the dog, why are we the bad ones for remembering that? he's the one who posted that stuff, not us.

it's not like he came back and said, please forgive me, what i did was wrong.

no, basically all he does is say, "get over it f--kers", again and again.

the point is he doesn't regret it, therefore we aren't bullies for reminding him of something he's proud.

in fact, he should thank us repeatedly for reminding him of how proud he was to have shot that dog, after chaining it up first.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #20)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:42 PM

CreekDog (46,192 posts)

78. first, it wouldn't have killed the other dog while chained up

second, the authorities wouldn't have shot the dog and not done so in anger.

third, unlike the bwb story, animal control would have handled things legally and humanely, or at least far more humanely, than the story bwb told us.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #78)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:43 PM

BainsBane (52,701 posts)

79. If it had just happened, I might get into the details

but it's five years later, and there is no point rehashing the thing over and over again.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #79)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:49 PM

CreekDog (46,192 posts)

82. well we're rehashing it because some here are defending what the guy did

it wasn't enough to just say they're sick of hearing about it and yeah the guy was a 100 levels of wrong for killing a dog like that.

but some here are actually quoting parts of the story to say that he's actually right.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #79)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:53 PM

Jamastiene (38,174 posts)

88. There is a point to bring it up when he is trying to claim to be a no kill activist.

Shooting a chained dog is not something a no kill activist would do.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #88)

Thu Apr 3, 2014, 04:29 AM

NealK (1,534 posts)

120. +1 n/t

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #20)

Thu Apr 3, 2014, 12:22 AM

Bonobo (29,257 posts)

106. I commend you for saying that.

By hijacking this thread with something that happened so long ago, something so unrelated, it amounts to a de-facto muzzle on the OP's right to speech.

In continually pursuing the OP for an old post, LeftyMom is bullying, silencing, shaming and essentially tagging him with a Scarlet Letter.

I respect you and commend you for speaking up.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #106)

Thu Apr 3, 2014, 03:37 AM

CreekDog (46,192 posts)

115. he's an example of what his OP describes

he went from an activist for no kill shelters.

to shooting a chained dog in his yard.

really took a wrong turn somewhere.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #115)

Thu Apr 3, 2014, 03:41 AM

Bonobo (29,257 posts)

116. I don't see how it relates to the OP. Here is what I see:

I see abusive posters who will not let him ever forget something that he did.
I see an OP who will not be given a chance to be anything other than the way the abusive people here are painting him.

It is EXACTLY as if a person in real life were to stand up at a town council meeting and give her opinion only to be shouted down because she was once seen spanking her child.

Is it your position that a mother who had done such a thing should never be given the chance to open her mouth in public without being publicly shamed for having once spanked her child?

I think the analogy is apt.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #19)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:19 PM

NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)

32. Let it go.

You weren't there, you don't know, it's beginning to look like bullying.

Please stop it.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #32)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:37 PM

Jamastiene (38,174 posts)

74. It is not bullying when he bragged about it.

He should not be claiming to be any kind of no kill activist. I never reply to him otherwise, but when he claims to be a no kill activist, I am going to remind people that is patently false. He shot a chained dog. That is NOT what a no kill activist does.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #32)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:52 PM

CreekDog (46,192 posts)

86. you're the one doubting his story, not us

if you want to call him a liar, fine.

we're actually taking him at his word that he did what he said he did.

unlike others who seek to justify and rationalize what he did, we're taking him at his very word, which he has not taken back, nor corrected, in fact he doubled down on the words when asked...

and we are judging him by the verbatim words he offered here

if your best defense of the guy is that he made it all up and was lying, good for you if you think that's somehow complimentary.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #19)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:08 PM

hfojvt (37,573 posts)

54. except that

usually the dogs killed by shelters are fairly nice dogs, they just get killed because they have no homes. They are, presumably, usually not dogs which have killed other dogs and attacked the humans who tried to stop them.

So I am not seeing a huge contradiction between killing a vicious dog and at the same time desiring to save homeless dogs.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #54)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:15 PM

CreekDog (46,192 posts)

56. why are you defending what is not only illegal, but likely a felony?

A second provision to Ill Treatment of Animals is: “Whoever tortures, torments, needlessly mutilates, cruelly kills, or inflicts excessive
or repeated unnecessary pain or suffering upon any animal or by omission or commission causes the acts to be done.” This is a felony
punishable by imprisonment of not less than 180 days and not to exceed 5 years AND a fine of $5000. Exemptions are made for fowl,
accepted animal husbandry practices of farm operations and the training of animals, the practice of veterinary medicine, agricultural
practices, forestry and silvacultural practices, wildlife management practices.

http://www.straypetadvocacy.org/PDF/AnimalCrueltyLaws.pdf

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #56)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:55 PM

hfojvt (37,573 posts)

89. empathy?

"My wifes nephews shepperd came up here and attacked my terrier...I tried to pull them apart and his dog bit me in the arm...then jumped back on my terrier...I kicked it trying to get it off my terrier and it turned on me and bit the fuck out of my face.

6 stitches and a buttload of pain.

she's dead" I took that to mean the terrier is dead. Maybe not though.

Likely a felony? Seems to be an adjective there "cruelly kills".

A month ago a large dog got into my fenced yard and attacked my harmless beta dog. I have a two foot metal pipe now that I keep by my back door. Dog comes into my yard again and attacks one of mine, it is not gonna walk out under its own power if I have anything to say about it.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #89)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:58 PM

CreekDog (46,192 posts)

93. you seem to be unclear about whether chaining up a dog then shooting it multiple times

is considered "cruel" under the law.

it's not my job to convince you of what is patently obvious.

but i'm not the only one to go down this kind of road with you, for you, really.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #89)

Thu Apr 3, 2014, 12:14 AM

NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)

98. Don't bother.

Some people can't help themselves, even if something happened five years ago.

Some people see a person having a bad day, who writes an OP, has a couple of posts hidden, and then go into Hyena mode, trying to get them to become even angrier.

I call it bullying and I won't entertain them.

I can relate to Bob's story: The dog he shot was a deadly vicious dog with a record, one that animal control or police could easily have dispatched legally and in some places would be legal to put down by the likes of Bob for being a menace. And, if it wasn't legal it sure wouldn't be a felony, if it was ever prosecuted at all.

And to take that action, to put a vicious animal down with a shotgun, quickly, after being attacked himself and seen other dogs victimized, doesn't take away from the man's compassion for animals and defense of no-kill animal sanctuaries. One thing has nothing to do with the other.

Bullies need to get away from this thread and leave the man alone.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #98)

Thu Apr 3, 2014, 12:42 AM

flvegan (64,239 posts)

112. You can relate?

So you were there? You saw it, you back his play on this do you? Or...?

To be clear, you justify and endorse what he did with this post of yours? Without regard or reservation, right?

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #98)

Thu Apr 3, 2014, 01:11 AM

CreekDog (46,192 posts)

113. how many dogs have you shot on a bad day?

then bragged on DU for doing so?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #15)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:03 PM

AverageJoe90 (10,745 posts)

26. THIS. Just this. nt

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #26)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:58 PM

CreekDog (46,192 posts)

52. so you're saying backwoodsbob wishes he never shot the dog

that he's sorry for shooting the dog after it was chained.

could you link to that apology? because everyone else has only seen the posts that bragged of it.

if he asked for forgiveness a lot of us couldn't withhold it from him. the question is, does he even regret it?

if he doesn't regret it, then it's not bullying to mention what he is in fact, proud of.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #15)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:20 PM

Sarah Ibarruri (21,043 posts)

58. You're the voice of reason, and probably right. nt

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 3, 2014, 12:24 AM

flvegan (64,239 posts)

108. Really?

So what other mental depravity do you forgive, personally, after 5 years? What's the BainsBane Statute of Limitations on morality?

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 09:35 PM

CreekDog (46,192 posts)

17. i wonder what your drink of choice is?

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #17)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 09:38 PM

Capt. Obvious (9,002 posts)

18. Thank you for kicking this

I was wondering what set him off.

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #18)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 09:52 PM

Dr. Strange (25,762 posts)

22. I think it was "pussies and dicks and uptight drama queens".

Which, if I recall correctly, is a punk band from Lexington, KY.

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Response to Dr. Strange (Reply #22)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 09:58 PM

Capt. Obvious (9,002 posts)

24. Oh my

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 09:54 PM

Number23 (24,544 posts)

23. Whisp is so crazy!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4772574

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Response to Number23 (Reply #23)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:30 PM

Cha (286,506 posts)

38. Yeah, the ol "anger is a gift" shit.. anger is anger if it makes the person go ballistic and isn't

channeled productively..

Whisp

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:02 PM

AverageJoe90 (10,745 posts)

25. Yeah.

I'd only actually been here since June of 2011.....and even I miss DU2. Far less of this literal "white privilege" weirdness & climate doomer fearmongering going around for one.

Also, I'm sorry you've had to put up with bullshit from certain people on this thread.

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #25)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:38 PM

CreekDog (46,192 posts)

40. were you that one juror?

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:04 PM

ProSense (116,464 posts)

27. Is this on of those

"team vs. policy" threads?

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:11 PM

MannyGoldstein (34,589 posts)

29. Two words.

Personal. Attacks.

Once personal attacks became cool, everything devolved into merde.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #29)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:21 PM

ProSense (116,464 posts)

35. Don't forget the mocking

"Third Way Manny"

Divisiveness is not only about direct "Personal. Attacks."

In fact, the strawman divisiveness likely contributes more to the rise in "Personal. Attacks."

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Response to ProSense (Reply #35)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:25 PM

MannyGoldstein (34,589 posts)

62. Is there a particular TWM post that illustrates the problem?

Help me understand.

Thanks.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #62)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:26 PM

ProSense (116,464 posts)

64. You likely do already. n/t

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Response to ProSense (Reply #64)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:30 PM

MannyGoldstein (34,589 posts)

67. That's pretty unfair.

You accuse me.

I ask for an example.

You refuse.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #67)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:33 PM

ProSense (116,464 posts)

71. You know those posts are mocking.

Why do you need an example of the mocking?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #29)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:21 PM

Sarah Ibarruri (21,043 posts)

59. Do you feel you may have played a part in that? Or not? nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #59)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:24 PM

MannyGoldstein (34,589 posts)

60. In personal attacks?

Not really. I try hard to avoid them.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #60)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:25 PM

Sarah Ibarruri (21,043 posts)

61. In nurturing an atmosphere within which that became possible. nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #61)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:29 PM

MannyGoldstein (34,589 posts)

66. I somehow gave people permission for personal attacks?

Or approved them?

I don't think so.

Do you have an example of something I wrote that's causing a problem?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #66)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:30 PM

Sarah Ibarruri (21,043 posts)

69. Hm... I didn't ask if you gave permission to, or if you attacked. I simply asked...

If you believe you may have contributed, by helping to nurture an environment within which that could take place.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #69)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:33 PM

MannyGoldstein (34,589 posts)

72. Only to the extent that people holding certain views might feel silly

and then lash out.

But if you look back at my posts, I think you'll find that I don't attack people; rather, I work to show that ridiculous ideas are, in fact ridiculous.

Again, I'd appreciate an example if you feel otherwise.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #72)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:39 PM

Sarah Ibarruri (21,043 posts)

77. Again, I had asked if you helped nurture an atmosphere within which that could take place.

However, you keep changing my question over and over to what you wish it would be.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #77)

Thu Apr 3, 2014, 12:14 AM

AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)

99. Does

...asking the same antagonistic question over, and over, and over, help nurture an atmosphere within which that could take place?

Inquiring minds want to know!

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #99)

Thu Apr 3, 2014, 12:16 AM

Sarah Ibarruri (21,043 posts)

100. His changing the question is proving a bit antagonistic. :)

But thank you for your extending help.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #100)

Thu Apr 3, 2014, 12:19 AM

AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)

101. Always...

...sorry, couldn't resist...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #29)

Thu Apr 3, 2014, 12:02 AM

hfojvt (37,573 posts)

95. DU has never been without personal attacks

when I first joined DU, I used to keep a collection of the excremental words thrown at me until it seemed like a waste of effort.

They are perhaps more tolerated by juries than they are by the moderators.

But I am quite sure that many of the attacks on my never got deleted. For one thing, I never alerted on them.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #29)

Thu Apr 3, 2014, 12:03 AM

nadinbrzezinski (154,021 posts)

96. I warned the owners of that a few years back

but noooo, cyberstalking is just not something that happens at a democratic forum... nope, no siree.

This is one reason I avoid posting anything of significance here any longer. And I will keep repeating this until there are real changes, which I frankly do not expect.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:12 PM

zappaman (20,596 posts)

30. Wow.

This thread didn't go too well, did it?

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Response to zappaman (Reply #30)

Thu Apr 3, 2014, 12:20 AM

Rex (65,616 posts)

102. This thread went a lot better then his others!

Looks like ALL CAPS has invaded his body. I think we see a total failsauce in progress.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #30)

Thu Apr 3, 2014, 03:42 AM

CreekDog (46,192 posts)

117. i guess so because he left for good

again.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:20 PM

Starry Messenger (32,336 posts)

33. It's like the old joke goes...

"Ah, tell ya man! This pub, this very pub we're just sitting in. I built it, with me own hands! But do they call me the Pubmaker? Naa! See the wall over there, that protects our town? I built it, with me own hands! But do they call me the Wallmaker? And the bridge, you know, that crosses our river, I built it, with me own hands! But do they call me the Bridgemaker?
But I tell ya, man! YOU FUCK ONE GOAT!"

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:21 PM

Capt. Obvious (9,002 posts)

34. I just sent this to the GP

I like being the fifth vote.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:25 PM

scarletwoman (31,893 posts)

36. There is a lot of sheer ugliness in this thread.

To BWB - I probably don't agree with many of your posts, but I am absolutely sickened by the bullying tenor of so many of the comments on this thread. Nasty people who get off on pecking another DUer bloody.

I'm very sorry to see this shameful crap - and it certainly proves your point about "schoolyard bullies".

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Response to scarletwoman (Reply #36)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:27 PM

Capt. Obvious (9,002 posts)

37. You're needed

in about 17 threads on page one.

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #37)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:36 PM

scarletwoman (31,893 posts)

39. There are just too damn many Orcs on DU these days, and I'm no Gandolf.

They have no shame. Every time I see one of these

in a post - it's another damn Orc.

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Response to scarletwoman (Reply #36)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:40 PM

ProSense (116,464 posts)

41. Well,

...a lot of those posts helped to create the atmosphere. I could link to a least a half a dozen direct personal attacks of "nasty people who get off on pecking another DUer bloody."

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Response to ProSense (Reply #41)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:42 PM

scarletwoman (31,893 posts)

43. Please don't bother. I've read plenty of your posts. (nt)

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Response to scarletwoman (Reply #43)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:46 PM

Capt. Obvious (9,002 posts)

44. She offered you links

That's unlike her.

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #44)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:47 PM

ProSense (116,464 posts)

46. See, you're helping to change the atmosphere, right? n/t

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Response to scarletwoman (Reply #43)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:46 PM

ProSense (116,464 posts)

45. The weren't my "posts." They were OPs about me.

Or are "nasty people who get off on pecking another DUer bloody" appropriate for some people?

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Response to ProSense (Reply #45)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:28 PM

Bjorn Against (12,041 posts)

65. Well you did not seem to think it was inappropriate when you made an OP pecking another DUer

Can you say hypocrisy?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024734785

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #65)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:32 PM

ProSense (116,464 posts)

70. That OP addressed specific and vile name calling. n/t

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Response to ProSense (Reply #70)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:37 PM

Bjorn Against (12,041 posts)

73. Make all the excuses you want, your post was vile

You seem to thank it is OK when you make a thread that compares a respected DUer to a right-wing racist, but you don't seem to think it is OK when others make OPs about you. Pure hypocrisy.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #73)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:47 PM

ProSense (116,464 posts)

80. You misunderstood

"Make all the excuses you want, your post was vile You seem to thank it is OK when you make a thread that compares a respected DUer to a right-wing racist, but you don't seem to think it is OK when others make OPs about you. Pure hypocrisy."

...I made no "excuses." It appears that you are upset that vile name calling was criticized, and are using it to condone random personal attacks. That is "pure hypocrisy."

Unlike your reaction to the OP denouncing vile name calling, I simply laugh off random personal attacks designed to intimidate, promote inuendo and mock. Those said more about the OPs than me.

My OP criticizing vile name calling struck a nerve because people were attempting to excuse it in a specific context, only to find themselves having to attempt to defend it when it continued.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #80)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:52 PM

Bjorn Against (12,041 posts)

87. Everyone can see the vile personal attack you made against Will

It was quite clearly a personal attack no matter how much you try to pretend otherwise, there was no misunderstanding of your words on my part.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #87)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:58 PM

ProSense (116,464 posts)

92. That's

"It was quite clearly a personal attack no matter how much you try to pretend otherwise, there was no misunderstanding of your words on my part.

...nonsense, and yes, "everyone can see" that the OP was criticizing vile name calling: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024734785

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #65)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:38 PM

Sarah Ibarruri (21,043 posts)

75. OH! So you believe it's perfectly all right to trash the president?

The same way Repugnicans do?

I see it's same shit/different day, huh?

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #75)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:38 PM

Bjorn Against (12,041 posts)

76. Don't put words in my mouth.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #76)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:47 PM

Sarah Ibarruri (21,043 posts)

81. Too late. I saw your post and link before you edited them. nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #81)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:50 PM

Bjorn Against (12,041 posts)

83. I never edited my posts

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #83)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:52 PM

Sarah Ibarruri (21,043 posts)

84. I should've copied it so I could post it in here. Bye. nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #84)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:57 PM

Bjorn Against (12,041 posts)

91. I can prove I did not edit it

If you click on my post and look at the very bottom of the page it shows the edit history:

Edit History

This post has been edited 0 times.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4773229

Stop lying and claiming I edited my post, edit histories are public DU so you are not going to get away with lying about what I said and then falsely claiming I edited it.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #41)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:55 PM

Eleanors38 (18,318 posts)

49. Who-WEE! You're tellin' me. Cock-struttin' & nut-husslin.'

Rewarded and enabled.

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Response to scarletwoman (Reply #36)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:42 PM

CreekDog (46,192 posts)

42. the dog was chained when it was shot

let bygones be bygones though, right?

http://election.democraticunderground.com/10022831503#post53

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Response to scarletwoman (Reply #36)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:02 PM

petronius (26,434 posts)

53. I agree, well said. "Bullying tenor" is an apt description, and unfortunately this

is not the only DU example of such interaction and behavior...

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Response to petronius (Reply #53)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:08 PM

scarletwoman (31,893 posts)

55. Antidote here:

Rise

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Response to scarletwoman (Reply #55)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:26 PM

petronius (26,434 posts)

63. Thank you! That is an excellent OP... (nt)

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Response to scarletwoman (Reply #36)

Thu Apr 3, 2014, 12:24 AM

Bonobo (29,257 posts)

107. Scarletwoman, you speak for me. nt

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Response to scarletwoman (Reply #36)

Thu Apr 3, 2014, 12:30 AM

1000words (7,051 posts)

110. Thanks for calling it out, scarletwoman

I wouldn't have done it with such class.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:57 PM

1000words (7,051 posts)

51. There are mortgages to pay, mouths to feed.

This site hasn't been "underground" for quite some time.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:52 PM

Junkdrawer (27,993 posts)

85. The PTB saw what was happening on the old DU too....

Their answer:

Itch Powder

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:59 PM

morningfog (18,115 posts)

94. So long, Bob. You look to be in final stage flame out.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Thu Apr 3, 2014, 12:21 AM

flvegan (64,239 posts)

103. Best thread ever. Dog killer.

Yep, got posts hidden because of that accusation, albeit well-founded. Not happening tonight, animal abuser.

You did it, admitted it, bragged about it. Offered pictures. I'd say you were one sick fucking twist if it wouldn't get hidden. So I won't.

See how this works? You get to drag it around like Samsonite.

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Response to flvegan (Reply #103)

Thu Apr 3, 2014, 01:46 AM

TroglodyteScholar (5,477 posts)

114. You have the ability to ignore this member.

Stalking someone on DU isn't just childish, it harms the whole community. Note that the "leave it alone" jurors don't comment on their votes (I can only assume because their votes are indefensible):

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:35 PM, and the Jury voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: stop with the personal attack bullshit
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I've heard enough about this dog business. Endlessly chasing him around about it is bullying at this point.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Stalking people on DU isn't helpful. Do you have anything to say about the actual post you responded to?
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

This behavior is a perfect illustration of how DU has lost its way. Why don't the cyberbullies all just grow up or go away?

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Response to TroglodyteScholar (Reply #114)

Thu Apr 3, 2014, 03:45 AM

CreekDog (46,192 posts)