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Tue Mar 27, 2012, 02:01 PM

 

I want to reframe the debate about guns... what about non-lethal weapons?

Yes, I know, tasers can kill; however, bullets are more likely to kill.

Why aren't we talking about the development of more and better nonlethal weapons for police and for residents who wish to "stand their ground"? (Note: I count myself as one of those people.)

To own guns or not to own guns, that's not the question, at least not the whole question. If there is going to be a stupid mistake made at some point when someone feels they're defending their property or life, at least make it a mistake with a higher likelihood that someone won't needlessly die.

How about that?

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Reply I want to reframe the debate about guns... what about non-lethal weapons? (Original post)
Zalatix Mar 2012 OP
leftofcool Mar 2012 #1
Zalatix Mar 2012 #2
leftofcool Mar 2012 #5
HockeyMom Mar 2012 #3
saras Mar 2012 #4
Zalatix Mar 2012 #8
Loudmxr Mar 2012 #6
Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #7
Zalatix Mar 2012 #9
Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #10
Hoyt Mar 2012 #11
Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #12
Hoyt Mar 2012 #13
Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #14
Zalatix Mar 2012 #15
Hoyt Mar 2012 #16
snot May 2013 #17

Response to Zalatix (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 02:05 PM

1. So what non lethal weapon should I use if someone breaks into my home with a gun?

What non lethal weapons should the police use in a shoot out with a criminal who is firing a gun. If someone breaks into my home with a gun and I shoot him and he dies, it is not my mistake, it is his.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 02:07 PM

2. As I said, we need to develop better non-lethal weapons.

 

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Response to Zalatix (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 02:11 PM

5. So because I am a good liberal thinking person I use the non lethal weapon on the bad guy

and he gets to shoot me in turn with his gun?

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Response to Zalatix (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 02:07 PM

3. I wasn't charged in New York,

 

with one the toughest gun control laws in the country, with throwing a hot steam iron, or a metal window fan at an intruder; working in a store, or a burglar trying to break into my home.

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Response to Zalatix (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 02:08 PM

4. Non-lethal? You mean lethal only to the weak and young? There are no "non-lethal" weapons

 

If a weapon is strong enough to stop a strong, determined assailant on amphetamines or worse, it will kill a large proportion of children.

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Response to saras (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 02:21 PM

8. Which basically proves non-lethal technology is piss poor

 

and needs to be improved.

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Response to Zalatix (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 02:19 PM

6. I have been trained by police..there are no non lethal weapons.

OK maybe throwing a Winnie the Pooh doll at someone ... that doesn't do much good..unless they would like to share some hunny.

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Response to Zalatix (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 02:21 PM

7. Like a HEAT WEAPON? nt

 

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 02:26 PM

9. Hah, yes, though the cops would hate that.

 

Imagine having it used on THEM when they attack protestors?

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Response to Zalatix (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 02:32 PM

10. Non-lethal weapons aren't nearly as effective as lethal ones.

 

Rest assured that plenty of money has been poured into research of non-lethal weapons, but to this date no more effective way of stopping someone has been found than shooting small pieces of lead into them at high velocity.

We're not going to be using phasers set on "stun" any time soon.

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Response to Johnny Rico (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 03:06 PM

11. Most people into guns will not carry anything less than the latest killing technology.

 


It is sad, but that is what it has come to in this country.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #11)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 03:13 PM

12. There is an enormous gap in effectiveness between modern handguns and non-lethal devices.

 

Were this gap to close, I think most would be happy to carry non-lethal devices, but that's not likely to happen anytime soon. A Glock is a far better tool for self-defense than a Taser or pepper spray.

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Response to Johnny Rico (Reply #12)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 03:24 PM

13. I don't care. The odds of ever needing a gun in public are so small.

 


Truthfully the odds are so small, I believe anyone who wants to carry a gun in public should be denied a permit for being batshitcrazy. And, they should be forced to talk to Zimmerman about what happens when you carry a gun in public.

I don't much care about people keeping a "reasonable" number and types of guns at home, but carrying them into Chuck E Cheeze, church, parks, etc., is nuts.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #13)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 03:40 PM

14. What's a "reasonable" number and types of gun to keep at home?

 

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #11)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 09:41 PM

15. Can't argue with that.

 

We've got to bring the dialog to their college kids, who might be more interested in getting into non-lethal weapons research.

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Response to Zalatix (Reply #15)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 09:48 PM

16. That's a good idea. I don't want to write-off current generation, but that is

 

A good idea. Need to slow down pipeline too.

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Response to Zalatix (Original post)

Thu May 23, 2013, 06:29 PM

17. Just adding, I think this is an EXCELLENT question to be raised in other contexts as well.

E.g., what about drones delivering sleeping or other kinds of gases, rather than bombs, followed by forces who could come in and capture alive those who look like their targets? I'm sure it wouldn't work perfectly, but if it killed fewer innocents, wouldn't that be better?

Should we at least be asking how much research $$ is going into this as compared to lethal weaponry?

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