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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJust did my taxes and I feel ashamed
The more I make the less I pay
I'm fretting getting a return of what some people would call their annual. Its just plain wrong that with my position in life where a home healthcare, retirement are not of a concern because I have all those - the people struggling to get by - whom don't even make enough to worry about those things
PAY A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF THEIR EARNINGS TOWARDS TAXES then I do
Don't get me wrong - I was there once - I know the reality of what its like living check to check, working tons of over time and still having to make decisions "Rent or Food" or my children wanting new clothes for school or even something nice to open on Christmas morning
Its just not right and I'll be the first to say it
The Rich are Fucking America
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)The "Rich" didn't write the tax code.
I posit that if there were politicians more interested in making things right than getting re-elected, the tax code could be rewritten so as to make things more equitable. There aren't. Anywhere.
For that reason, I'm more likely to say The Politicians have, and ARE fucking America. Fuck them all.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Knowing full well they themselves pay a lower percentage in taxation
I find that pure evil
cui bono
(19,926 posts)And in some cases like with Alec they actually do write the laws.
progressoid
(49,945 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Yeah they did. Congress is rich. The corporations who buy the congress are rich. Corporations write our tax code.
Bigmack
(8,020 posts)... not ashamed, exactly, but pissed.
We could pay more taxes, but the fuckers would just piss it away on wars & weapons rather than health care & safety nets.
Bass-ackwards priorities...
kelly1mm
(4,732 posts)Gifts to the United States Government
How do I make a contribution to the U.S. government?
Citizens who wish to make a general donation to the U.S. government may send contributions to a specific account called "Gifts to the United States." This account was established in 1843 to accept gifts, such as bequests, from individuals wishing to express their patriotism to the United States. Money deposited into this account is for general use by the federal government and can be available for budget needs. These contributions are considered an unconditional gift to the government. Financial gifts can be made by check or money order payable to the United States Treasury and mailed to the address below.
Gifts to the United States
U.S. Department of the Treasury
Credit Accounting Branch
3700 East-West Highway, Room 622D
Hyattsville, MD 20782
Any tax-related questions regarding these contributions should be directed to the Internal Revenue ServiceExit the FMS Web site at (800) 829-1040.
http://www.fms.treas.gov/faq/moretopics_gifts.html
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)how much money they usually get that way.
Less than $200?
More than $1,000,000? From how many people? If each household donated just $1 that would be over $100,000,000.
Still a very small drop in a very large bucket.
BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)It was kind of sweet. A lot of donors were immigrants who were showing their appreciation this way, for example.
kelly1mm
(4,732 posts)"The agency recommends that you send your donation to the Treasury's Bureau of the Public Debt. Your money will go into a special account to redeem outstanding government notes, bills, and bonds. Since 1996, Americans have donated about $26 million to reducing federal indebtedness, which represents 0.00018 percent of the current national debt."
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)I am not sure how you manage that.
What percentage do you pay?
My total income was $33,359.84 comprised of $31,987.12 in wages, $129.50 in taxable interest, $341.40 in qualified dividends, $901.82 in short term capital gains (on paper (meaning I really did not make that much, because I had losses on paper last year))
I maxed out my IRA deduction at $6,500, reducing my AGI to $26,859.84 and my total tax bill to $1,833. My tax rate is either 5.5% of my total income or 6.82% of my AGI. You are making more than that and paying less than that? How?
Of course, there was another $2,548.82 that I paid in FICA taxes and another $2,548.82 that my employer paid, instead of giving to me. Making my tax rate 20.78%.
There's also income that I don't have to count - now, because it is in my IRA account, or ever - because it is in my much smaller Roth IRA account. That's actually fairly substantial - $1,200 to $1,500. A decent chunk of change, but not something I can spend now. Still, it is nice to have it for eight years down the road when I CAN spend it. Or presumably it will be if I live that long. But how much tax free income are richer people getting from their Roth accounts.
I may try to find out.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)State, Fed, Property taxes was 16%
You just barely don't qualify for an Earned Income Tax Credit.
Your tax burden would go up until you hit $110K and then it starts going down. Becomes very noticable around $130K
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)and I cannot find 2013 instructions right now, but EIC stops for a single, childless person at $13,950 so I am a long way from that. On the other hand, if I had even one kid, instead of three dogs, not only would I get another exemption and a $1,000 tax credit, but I would get an EIC of about $700. With two children, I'd get another exemption and another $1,000 credit and my EIC would be $2,000 or so.
Sure, your tax rate goes down as your income goes up, IF you include property taxes in the calculation. Because they are not directly tied to income. Except in the sense that higher income people usually buy more expensive houses and/or vacation houses and thus pay more in property taxes.
Even I, myself, had an extra piece of land, with a trailer, until I sold that in 2009.
And state taxes are often flat. In Kansas, for example, a person hits the top marginal rate at AGI of about $25,000.
But federal taxes keep going up as income goes up. Over $85,000 your marginal rate goes from 25% to 28%, except, of course, on dividend income, long term capital gains, and IRA earnings.
You say $113,000 though, which makes me think you are talking about FICA taxes as well. Yeah, that last $87,000 isn't subject to the 5.2% tax that lower income people pay.
Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)As far as straight federal wage income, the more you make the more you pay all other things being equal.
JI7
(89,240 posts)and want to pay more taxes.
march to congress and demand a system that is more fair .
linuxman
(2,337 posts)Cut a check to the treasury.
I'm serious. They'll take it.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)the top 5% will get $1.3 trillion in Bush tax cuts over the next ten years.
I am pretty sure that everybody replying to this thread could donate ALL of our income over the next ten years and not even touch that.
Let's say the thread gets an amazing 200 replies. And that the people replying make an average of $100,000 a year (which is 3 times MY own income). Then all of our income over the next decade would be $200,000,000. That's a fairly substantial sum, but it's only 1.5% of the permanent tax cuts going to the richest 5% in the next decade.
Thus even 200 people with substantial income cannot do much to impact the tax cuts that the Democrats and Obama have made permanent for the rich, not even if they sacrificed everything they had.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)It would make him feel better.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)perhaps bothered by the whole $1.3 trillion.
By the favorable treatment of dividend income versus wage income.
The final line of the OP
"The Rich are Fucking America"
One or even 1,000 rich people cannot stop that $1.3 trillion that is going from public purposes into private pockets. It takes policy to change that.
Reter
(2,188 posts)I need it more than the government, I'm lower middle class.
kelly1mm
(4,732 posts)permanent in 2012?
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)87% of the Bush tax cuts were made permanent.
A move that highly favored the rich.
Of the $3.7 trillion in tax cuts, $2.4 trillion of them goto the top 20%.
kelly1mm
(4,732 posts)since the ones Bush put in expired?
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Childrens Hospital, Churches that feed the hungry
I don't consider Defense Contractors a Charitable Organisation
kelly1mm
(4,732 posts)are not higher AND going to those things that you support? If so, that is fine. But your OP as written did not imply that. Rather, it implied that you should be paying more taxes and that you were ashamed of that (and several people responded that you could make a contribution to the Treasury so you could 'make amends')
B2G
(9,766 posts)FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)and I agree with your approach.
Which is why I disagreed with the reduction in tax deductions for charitable donations.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,321 posts)A mortgage is a deduction. A IRA contribution is a deduction. Kids are deductions, in many ways. Charities are deductions. License plates might be deductions.
I think I paid a higher proportion when I was young, and single, and renting, and, and, and. I had no expenses, either, other than for, well, me.
I named a few of what I'd call "middle class" deductions. The rich have their own set of even better deductions, but their accountants and lawyers handle all that. I don't play in that league.
You're right, the rich are fucking America, and we keep electing their tools to Congress and to the governors' mansions and the state legislatures.
otohara
(24,135 posts)My hubby is making 15,000 less and we have to pay for the first time in a couple decades.
Exposethefrauds
(531 posts)Anyway you do make an interesting point. I make between 100,000 and 150,000 a year, under 65, no kids and between all the legal deductions Mortgage interest, 401k, donations and state and local taxes the only ones I take....I pay a 15.5% federal tax rate.
Is it right and fair, not really but until one buys a home, you are pretty much screwed when it comes to taxes in America. Squirt out a kid or 2 or a dozen and you get even more for a tax break, which I think is wrong, the more kids one has the more one should pay in taxes because they are the ones consuming the most resources. But that if for another discussion.
If I were in charge the first 50k a year one makes would be tax free regardless of source, a flat 10% for incomes between 50k and 100k a flat 15% for incomes between 100k and 150k. Incomes above 150k start paying a graduated rate toping out at a 90% rate.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)and seems purely designed to prevent people from upward mobility for their children
peace13
(11,076 posts)Put a voice to your concern or donate the money to a cause that hits home or a neighbor who is struggling. There is no shortage of need in this country!
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JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Made just under $117K last year and I owe money. I don't mind paying it though, just wish I could choose where it goes.
goldent
(1,582 posts)would be to figure out how much more you should have paid in taxes, and donate that money to a charity of your choice. Maybe a charity related to something you think the government should be doing more about - it could be help for the homeless or very poor, medical research, education programs, etc. It's like directing where your taxes should be spent.
The thing about this is you will get a tax deduction next year on this charitable gift, and so you can give even more. This is known as "grossing up." Say you are in the 28% marginal tax rate. And say you think you should have paid $10,000 more in taxes this year. You can actually donate 10000/(1-.28) = $13889 this year which will account for the 10000 you underpaid in taxes this year, and account for the deduction you will get next year.
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Reter
(2,188 posts)Either to the poor or some kind of research.
treestar
(82,383 posts)You could be one of those people saying I earned it (which you did but when they say it it's different, lol) and the government shouldn't take it from me to give to the less deserving (though the military is ok).
The lower incomes should be more graduated. It seems to hit 10% once you have any taxable income at all. And the standard deduction should be enough to live on in basic poverty - it's 6100 for a single person, and that's way below what the federal government determines to be poverty level. Ridiculous any taxes at all should be payable until you are profitable, so to speak, as a unit, single or family.
Jgarrick
(521 posts)Problem solved.