When men tell sexist jokes and pass around negative stereotypes about men, it's still wrong.

[Zalatix]

Can someone explain the difference between:

A guy: "Guys are afraid of strong women and think with their dicks instead of their heads."

An Asian person: "Asian people are poor drivers, I know, I'm Asian."

A Muslim: "Most Muslims are potential terrorists. I know, I'm Muslim!"

What's the difference?

When are we ever going to look at making fun of men under the same harsh light as making jokes about women, no matter who tells the joke?

[HipChick]

1. I have to listen to penis jokes - F-Bombs etc

and its supposed to be a professional place

[Zalatix]

2. In a workplace? That's sexual harassment.

[badtoworse]

38. Where I work, the women are the worst offenders.

I've spent my share of time on construction sites and could certainly make them blush if I wanted to. It is amusing to hear them try talk just like the guys.

[niyad]

3. and just how many men tell derogatory jokes about men, versus how many they tell about women?

[Zalatix]

4. Wait, are you arguing that either one is in any way okay?

[niyad]

7. nice sidestep--how about answering my question first.

[Zalatix]

13. Because you are sidestepping MY OP question.

What makes men making jokes about men any different than Muslims making Muslim terrorist jokes or Asians making poor Asian driver jokes?

If you insist upon not answering that, then I will only respond by repeating the question.

[niyad]

18. and once again, HOW many men are telling these jokes? or muslims? or asians?

this post sounds like another of those "but what about the MENNNNNNN?" when you can show me that as many men are making derogatory, sexist jokes about other men as they do about women, then we can talk.

[Zalatix]

19. And once again, you are sidestepping my OP question.

Are sexism and sexist jokes wrong all the time, or are they wrong EXCEPT when you arbitrarily decide it's not?

[ohheckyeah]

12. I would argue that it's even more

okay when women make jokes about men, but that would just be mean.

[ohheckyeah]

5. Maybe after men have been

discriminated against for a couple of centuries or so.

[niyad]

8. or a couple of millenia

[ohheckyeah]

11. true that - I was being

generous.

[Zalatix]

20. So men who aren't sexist also have to be punished by having to listen to these jokes?

Are sexist jokes WRONG, or only wrong when you arbitrarily say they are?

[ohheckyeah]

42. They are only

wrong when I arbitrarily say so.



(Lighten up - I'm being facetious.) I seldom hear male jokes and couldn't tell one if I had a gun to my head because I can't think of any. I have great relationships with the men in my life - I don't do male bashing and they don't do female bashing. Although, the female bashing used to be something my brother and dad did do. To be honest, it's hard to work up any outrage with you or for you when women have been putting up with this forever. I'm afraid I don't have energy left to join in your crusade when a war against women is raging.

[Odin2005]

6. We DO think with are dicks, that's a fact.

[ohheckyeah]

14. Do they ever

get brain freeze?

[Zalatix]

15. All men? Really?

I can show you at least one who doesn't.

[badtoworse]

39. He's either lying or he lost his.

[Odin2005]

43. You have never acted stupidly around an attractive woman?

Maybe it's because I'm still pretty young (25).

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

24. I'm not sure if you're serious, but I'm afraid you are.

No, we don't.

That is as stupid as saying "Women are irrational because of PMS, it's a fact".

Stop bending over backwards to appease. It's no way to go through life.

[redqueen]

34. I think it's less appeasement than projection.

If a man considers himself the hapless helpless victim of mistakes that his sex drive forced him to make, it seems very popular to go from there to 'all men are like this'. Kinda like women who say that no woman could ever he happy with a man who didn't dominate and oppress her (i.e. 'act like a man').

[seabeyond]

37. i think it is more the conditioning of what manhood is. todays culture is all about the penis and

not about the character of the man.

in the past, manhood use to be defined in behavior and character. now we have a caricature to represent men.

edit... btw, we have done the same with women. the most shallowest of definition, skipping over the human of who we are

[Broderick]

9. Sit back

I have a great one to tell you.............


Oh, nevermind. You probably have one of those senses of humor. Outrage can be found anywhere if you look hard enough. Keep looking. It will satiate the contempt for interaction.

[Zalatix]

16. Would you have the same sense of humor about jokes made about women? Muslims? Asians?

Bah, not expecting an answer to that.

[Broderick]

17. Oh I can be as humorless as the next

My hands fit neatly under my bum and my frown is frightening.

[Zalatix]

21. That didn't answer the question. Does your sense of humor also accommodate jokes about

women and minorities?

FYI my answer to that is none of the above. I can find plenty of other less bigoted things to laugh about.

[Broderick]

25. your question is frivolous in my opinion

I made my point by saying one can find offense and outrage in anything. Keep looking. You want to equate apples and oranges to appeal to your sense of superiority for some reason, or lack thereof. The logical sense of right and wrong is usually obvious to most. One can dig and find a nugget to drain the swamp with. Anyway, I don't know what happened to bring this on, but I gather perhaps you were insulted and made fun of in a group setting and are lashing out equating minorities and groups of oppression with your own feelings of inadequacies or something. I could be totally off, and if I am right I feel bad and have empathy for your feelings at the moment. you will feel better tomorrow. Seriously though, you are equating wholly different things.

[Zalatix]

27. It's NOT apples and oranges. You are in fact totally off. Sexism is bigotry just like any other -ism

You are trying too hard to find differences where there is none. At least none you can demonstrate.

As for my motivations? I'm tired of the anti-male jokes on the DU.

[Broderick]

29. anti-males jokes?

meh

Shrug.

[Zalatix]

30. You wouldn't say "meh" about anti-women jokes.

That's the problem here.

The idea of "sexist jokes are sexist" is still an incomprehensible concept to most.

[Broderick]

31. I think there is quite a recognizable difference

MOO.

[Zalatix]

32. Such as? Ah, no answer to that, eh?

[LanternWaste]

44. Two like things, despite all their similarities, may contain numerous relevant differences...

"It's NOT apples and oranges. You are in fact totally off. Sexism is bigotry just like any other..."


I believe that a critical and relevant difference lies in the history of usage and expression; minimizing and trivializing a specific demographic has been used to marginalize sexes, races, and cultures since humanity began recording its own story. Minimizing and trivializing the historical oppressor on the other hand, has not.

Granted, making fun of any one person or group for any reason is vulgar. Yet the degrees of vulgarity are markedly different, one based on coercion, persecution, and dominance; the other based merely on vulgarity for its own sake.

Two like things, despite all their similarities, may indeed contain numerous critical and relevant differences also.


(and if you are indeed tired of sexist jokes, regardless of the target demographic, simply alert on it... )

[cherokeeprogressive]

10. I have a small penis.

Get over it.

[TeamsterDem]

26. Best. Response. Ever!!! LOL nt

[Smarmie Doofus]

22. The generally accepted narrative is that men set-up the current "arrangement"...

.... and therefore can't cry "foul" over such things.

I'm not sure who exactly set it up but it ain't workin' so well for "the boys" as a demographic. Stats suggest that the gender divide in industrial societies... while limiting women.... absolutely *murders* men. Three and four times higher rates of suicide, mental illness, stress-related illness for men over women.

Yay. We're in charge.

[Zalatix]

28. Ayup, "We're in charge"... I'd sure like to see where.

Well said.

[seabeyond]

33. i am with you on this zalatix. it does no good for any of us. unfortunately you then have SOME men

saying, no really, we do think with our dicks which is wrong and sets male gender up. men cant take care of themselves ha ha. men cant take care of their children ha ha. just reinforces to allow men to not be authentic self conditioning them to be less than they are.

[redqueen]

35. Yep, and also the claim that men have a better sense of humor

so they all love it and think its hilarious and great. And the same goes for women who make sexist jokes about other women.

[Upton]

36. I'm a man..I can take it.

And you're right, there is a double standard. Though to be quite honest with you, I don't want to be thought of as some minority group where people are walking on PC eggshells around me..

[Smarmie Doofus]

41. Right. You can always grow a tumor or develop hypertension.

>>>I don't want to be thought of as some minority group where people are walking on PC eggshells around me..>>>>

Me neither. But it would be a good thing if people became more aware of the gender double-standards and multiple double binds that attach to 49% of us.

Then we could at least identify what it is we want to grow out of.

[MadrasT]

40. I've never heard Asian or Muslim people say those things.

But I agree with the broader point you are trying to make.

I don't like characterizing giant groups of people (i.e., "men" or "women&quot with broad brush generalizations of any sort. Especially broad brush generalizations with negative implications. And especially broad brush generalizations associated with gender.

[snooper2]

45. Or you can just make jokes across the board and offend everyone LOL

I think this thread needs a song...


Um...This one! DANCE DANCE DANCE!