New Rule: If You Don't Acknowledge the Existence of the Federal Government..

[Cha]

[UTUSN]

1. Excellent point!1 n/t

[Cha]

4. Rebels without

a clue.

[chrisstopher]

2. Well put

Let's make it a law.
That would surely pass through the house and senate.

[Cha]

5. Yeah, I think especially the House would be interested in pointing out the Hypocrisy of one

cliven bundy.

[madokie]

43. Welcome to DU

[chrisstopher]

44. Thanks

It's great to be here. Love this place!

[sheshe2]

3. Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahaha~

Well done Cha!

Touche!

[Cha]

7. ol bundy's so seriously into that "Constitution", she.. especially that "First Amendment" of the US

Government that he thinks "Doesn't Exist"..

"I abide by all of Nevada state laws. But I don’t recognize the United States government as even existing." Ironically, this position directly contradicts Article 1, Section 2 of the Nevada Constitution.."

MOre..
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/04/the-irony-of-cliven-bundys-unconstitutional-stand/360587/

[sheshe2]

11. Good ol "Cloven Foot" Bundy, Cha...

He picks and chooses what parts of the 'guberment' he wishes to use. He is a user and a taker.

[Nobel_Twaddle_III]

32. Those are Just too sexy

[freshwest]

39. Did Bundesreich understand that NV if part of the USA? Just sayin'...n/t

[Cha]

40. Bundesreich unfortunately doesn't understand much, fresh.. only that he doesn't want

to pay for his cattle to graze on Federal Land but, he wants to be protected by the First Amendment of the Constitution of said United States Government of America.

Oh and he "abides by the laws of the state of Nevada" except he doesn't.

Nevada State Constitution. Article 1, Section 2

Purpose of government; paramount allegiance to United States.??All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for the protection, security and benefit of the people; and they have the right to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may require it. But the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United States; and no power exists in the people of this or any other State of the Federal Union to dissolve their connection therewith or perform any act tending to impair, subvert, or resist the Supreme Authority of the government of the United States. The Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal Government to maintain and Perpetuate its existence, and whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority.
http://www.leg.state.nv.us/const/nvconst.html

JHB http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4846212

[Hoyt]

6. Perfect. Those armed terrorists need to be under surveillance.

[Cha]

8. I hope they are, Hoyt.

[JHB]

9. He also doesn't recognize the Nevada State Constitution...

...because it very explicitly forbids "not recognizing the US Government":

Nevada State Constitution. Article 1, Section 2

Purpose of government; paramount allegiance to United States.??All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for the protection, security and benefit of the people; and they have the right to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may require it. But the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United States; and no power exists in the people of this or any other State of the Federal Union to dissolve their connection therewith or perform any act tending to impair, subvert, or resist the Supreme Authority of the government of the United States. The Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal Government to maintain and Perpetuate its existence, and whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority.

http://www.leg.state.nv.us/const/nvconst.html

Being written in 1864, it's not surprising they used that sort of language.

[Cha]

12. There ya go, JHB.. "Facts"? They don't need no stinkin' facts!

[Blue_Adept]

48. I'm sure they find that language unconstitutional

I'm surprised he's not spearheading a movement to get it changed.

[treestar]

55. Secession proofing

Good idea!

[Thinkingabout]

10. If they dont recognize the US government then they dont get get the right to the

Second amendment either so their guns will be taken. If they want to follow whatever they want when they want. Bundy is sucking off of the federal tit but doesn't recognize he owes money. The RW has several conspiracies going and they are avoiding the truth. My RW friend has sent me several but I continue to tell him Bundy is a Welfare Cowboy, one of the 47% Romney was talking about. He for got about the 47% also.

[Cha]

16. Precisely, Thinkingabout.. NO Constitutional Rights for bundy and his gang of Terrorists. End of

Story.

[Sunlei]

59. That sign is actually the BLM sign they put-up at round-ups to keep observers a mile away.

Then they have armed guards who arrest people, like photographers, who get out of the box.

The Gov will probably arrest Mr. Bundy for taking Gov. property.

[Drew Richards]

13. In that case they should not get the right to due process either..call em enemy combatants and take

Em out...just being facetious I dont really want to see that precedent applied...

[Cha]

17. Oh, the greedy hypocritical assholes will get their due process.

[kairos12]

14. Retask the drone pilots they are next door in Vegas for petes sake

[Rhiannon12866]

15. +1000!

Perfect!!!

[Cha]

18. Hey Rhiannon!

[Rhiannon12866]

19. Hey back, my friend!

What is wrong with these idiots, anyway?!

[Cha]

22. Severly brainwashed.

[Tarheel_Dem]

34. Rhiannon, I just have to say that I LOVE your tagline. You think 8 yrs will be enuf?

That was one helluva mess.

[Rhiannon12866]

36. Thank you!

I added that just before the election, was thinking I ought to retire it soon. Now I'm reconsidering it... And I couldn't agree more!!! I think eighty years is more like it...

[Cali_Democrat]

20. Yup...

...and WHY THE FUCK are they waving American flags there?

Cliven said he didn't believe in the American government.

[Cha]

24. Hey, that's what I was asking! He's one clueless rebel, Cali.. It's our Flag..

he doesn't recognize its existence.

[grahamhgreen]

25. +1

[treestar]

56. +1 good point there too

[nikto]

21. Must be part of the family...

?itok=vexP4JVD

[icymist]

35. More like this guy?

[spanone]

23. k&r.... the ultimate welfare moocher

[oneofthe99]

26. We shouldn't use that term

[SunSeeker]

27. Yes, the correct description of Bundy is thief...

and domestic terrorist.

[oneofthe99]

31. Agree

[KansDem]

41. I was wondering if "Sagebush Mafia" would be more appropriate.

Then I looked up "mafia" to learn its characteristics:

In November 2007 Sicilian police reported discovery of a list of "Ten Commandments" in the hideout of mafia boss Salvatore Lo Piccolo, thought to be guidelines on good, respectful and honourable conduct for a mafioso.[124]

1. No one can present himself directly to another of our friends. There must be a third person to do it.
2. Never look at the wives of friends.
3. Never be seen with cops.
4. Don't go to pubs and clubs.
5. Always being available for Cosa Nostra is a duty - even if your wife is about to give birth.
6. Appointments must absolutely be respected. (probably refers to formal rank and authority.[125])
7. Wives must be treated with respect.
8. When asked for any information, the answer must be the truth.
9. Money cannot be appropriated if it belongs to others or to other families.
10. People who can't be part of Cosa Nostra: anyone who has a close relative in the police, anyone with a two-timing relative in the family, anyone who behaves badly and doesn't hold to moral values.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilian_Mafia

But the Bundy crowd would have trouble with numbers 2 & 7:

2. Never look at the wives of friends. How can you not look at them when you tell them to get between you and the Feds?;
7. Wives must be treated with respect. I suppose you can say, "Ma'am, will you please get in front of me? That agent has a gun pointed this way.

[applegrove]

28. Brilliant Cha.

[Cha]

30. Hey apple.. I love the internet!

[TexasTowelie]

29. And crazy domestic terrorists should not be allowed to say that the Constitution protects them from

cruel and unusual punishment.

Great post, Cha!

[Cha]

37. No, they need to get straightened out on that by one

Senator Harry Reid, Towelie~

[A Simple Game]

45. Yes they should be allowed to say the Constitution protects them from cruel and unusual punishment.

Everyone should be able to say it and believe it. Everyone!

If the Constitution is meaningless then let's quit wasting money defending it.

[Tarheel_Dem]

33. Damn straight. And it's Bill of Rights don't apply to you either.

[Cha]

38. No Rights for you, cliven bundy. You disavow our US Federal Gov then

you get none of the perks. Except hopefully food and lodging courtesy of the US Gov.



Facts have a Liberal Bias ya crazy mofos.

[Moostache]

42. I can't help but hear "Rhinestone Cowboy" while thinking "Welfare Cowboy"...

I wish I had ANY musical or lyrical talent to make that into a parody video....

Like a Welfare Cowboy!
(All apologies to Mr. Glenn Campbell.)

[christx30]

46. It's ok to be in contempt

of the government and in favor of something that limits the powers of the government. I don't see a disconnect there.

[Cha]

53. cliven moocher bundy doesn't acknowledge the Existence of the US Government so he doesn't

get to fall back on the First Amendment Rights or any rights for that matter. There's a huge disconnect..

[ellennelle]

47. i've been wondering....

for a while now actually -

when is someone gonna revive the old "AMERICA - LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT" meme?

[rustydog]

49. Sorry pal, you and your cute poster is dead WRONG!

This is Amurika! and it is a one -way street! We get to declair whatever we think is rong with Amurika and we get to use this horrible countryes Constitution when we see fit.

Now get the fuck out or shut the fuck up.

sincerely,

Sarah, Plain and stupid.

[saidsimplesimon]

50. Cha thank you for pushback long overdue.

I'm going to eat beans and nuts until these cattle barons are vanquished.

We can't eat fish, farm or ocean feed because they are contaminated. Beef cattle are being feed things we would not eat. Lamb from NZ is contaminated (do your research). If you eat pork, beware, they are raised in filthy pits of excrement.

As for so called organic egg, or chicken farms, there are a few, very few. I'd rather be a skinny "Tom"/

[CFLDem]

51. Actually the Constitution is separate from the Government it sets the boundaries for.

In theory, The Federal government belongs to the Constitution, not the other way around.

(BTW Bundy and other separatists are asshats who should be executed for treason).

[moondust]

52. And stay off the interstate!

Dammit!

[treestar]

54. K&R

if the federal government were really so bad, that protest could not have occurred.

[Cha]

58. It's only bad when you owe them money.

[treestar]

61. Yep!

How convenient to not recognize the existence of your creditors!

[Sunlei]

57. BLM you out there? your signs & armed guards worked better when you used them on 2 or 3 people, huh?

[blkmusclmachine]

60. ,

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