The bundy caper/Koch

[mwyn8]

It was suggested I post this as an OP. I have not been following bundy caper & then I saw this.


and this:
This week, more than 50 elected officials from nine Western states met on April 18 at the Utah Capitol for an ALEC-backed conference called the "Legislative Summit on the Transfer for Public Lands," where they plotted to have federal land gifted to the states (and then to the Kochs, one HAS to assume.) A shadowy group called the American Lands Council led by Koch-bribed puppet Ken Ivory has been pushing this insidious plan for some time.

[2naSalit]

1. It was a talking point

in the House and in Rmoney's campaign in 2012.

Flaming imbeciles.

[jwirr]

2. Isn't it great to watch it backfire on them. However, this part is not as well known as bundy.

[mwyn8]

3. When I saw this

it made me wonder. I thought with the snip it made sense. Yeah, let the states take the federal land. Soooooo much easier to manipulate the state legislature via ALEX.

[Wellstone ruled]

4. Glad some one else noticed

Mentioned the Salt Lake City gathering of like minded Mormon Krotch funded Politicos earlier in the week. Amazing how the Industrialist use us as pawns in their game of theft. With the help of their News Media ownership,it is very easy to conquer the ignorant and low information voter,and turn them against the rest of society. Remember this;Politics 101,for the most part,there are only 10% of the people on either side of an issue,the magic is to convince the one unit of 10% that you have the right solution to their issue.

And so it goes.

[WillyT]

5. This Is HUGE... Thank You !!!

Related articles:

Western lawmakers gather in Utah to talk federal land takeover
‘It’s time’ » Lawmakers from 9 states gather in Utah, discuss ways to take control of federal lands.
By Kristen Moulton | The Salt Lake Tribune
First Published Apr 18 2014 03:07 pm • Last Updated Apr 20 2014 12:21 pm

Link: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/57836973-90/utah-lands-lawmakers-federal.html.csp

And...

Rep. Grijalva Demands Federal Investigation into ALEC's Role in Neo-Sagebrush Rebellion
Posted by BRENDAN FISCHER - CMD
April 16, 2014

Link: http://www.prwatch.org/news/2014/04/12451/congressman-grijalva-requests-investigation-alecs-role-nv-range-fight

Washington Insight: The Sagebrush Rebellion lives on with Bundy dispute
By Thomas Burr | The Salt Lake Tribune
First Published Apr 20 2014 01:01 am • Last Updated Apr 20 2014 06:50 pm

Link: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/57832176-90/federal-blm-washington-bundy.html.csp

[WillyT]

6. Occupy Democrats Facebook Link, And Links To The Above Articles...

Link: https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats

[Overseas]

31. Thanks for these articles!

[WillyT]

35. You Are Quite Welcome !!!

[suffragette]

51. Here's another connect the dots for a WA state legislator who visited Bundy

Shea's visit to Bundy
Seattleland: Washington State Rep Matt Shea Plays Patriot Games
http://www.seattleweekly.com/news/952207-129/seattleland-washington-state-rep-matt-shea

From article, describing part if Shea's speech while there:
In a speech on land near the center of the dispute, Republican Rep. Matt Shea called for federal land to be transferred to the states. A coalition of legislators from Western states was forming to stand up for Cliven Bundy and others in the fight against overbearing federal rules, he said.
http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/spincontrol/2014/apr/16/shea-says-feds-making-war-rural-us/

Shea's membership in ALEC, found in list from Sourcewatch:
Washington State Legislators with ALEC Ties
Rep. Matt Shea (R-4)[9], ALEC Civil Justice Task Force Member[10]
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Washington_ALEC_Politicians

[WillyT]

55. Thank You For That !!!

[hootinholler]

56. What are the demographics of the 9?

From the first link:

"It’s simply time," said Rep. Ken Ivory, R-West Jordan, who organized the Legislative Summit on the Transfer for Public Lands along with Montana state Sen. Jennifer Fielder. "The urgency is now."

Utah House Speaker Becky Lockhart, R-Provo, was flanked by a dozen participants, including her counterparts from Idaho and Montana, during a press conference after the daylong closed-door summit. U.S. Sen. Mike Lee addressed the group over lunch, Ivory said. New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Wyoming, Oregon and Washington also were represented.

Ken Ivory is known to be an ALEC member: Rep. Ken Ivory (R-47), ALEC International Relations Task Force Member

Didn't see Fielder, but Becky is in the club: Speaker Rebecca Lockhart (R-64), ALEC Energy, Environment and Agriculture Task Force Member

Pretty strong tie right there.

[Purveyor]

7. kick. Thanks for posting. +1 eom

[WillyT]

8. Oops Forgot... Welcome To DU mwyn8 !!!

Glad ta have ya aboard !!!

[louslobbs]

9. Kick. n/t

Lou

[DonViejo]

10. Thanks for your OP, mwyn8...

and welcome to DU!

Don

[pacalo]

11. Welcome to DU, mwyn8!

Thank you for the graphic!

[Baitball Blogger]

12. Similar tactic was tried in Florida with wetlands.

I was once pulled into a private meeting because of my research skills. No one had bothered to vet my politics out, but that meeting was a defining moment for me. A lawyer/developer who had a history of challenging "guv'mint" rules hosted the meeting. He explained that he needed people to research newspapers to look for the ordinary homeowners who were trying to ward off government regulation. He specifically mentioned homeowners who were trying to develop their properties, but couldn't do it because of wetland restrictions.

It didn't take a genius to figure out why he wanted to take these cases pro bono. He was going to get something out of it since he belonged to an organization that was very actively infiltrating government circles, not just through social networking, but also through courtroom lawsuits. If he could win cases for the little guy, those cases would set precedent for him when he tried to develop commercial or residential communities.

Some of the most convoluted legal reasoning I would hear over the course of several years, would come from members of that organization. More than one, was a judge. It is knowledge of these kind of relationships that discourages me from seeking legal recourse through courts. Of course, that is assuming I had the money to bring in an outside attorney, which I don't have.

Good post, and welcome to DU.

[chrisstopher]

13. Great post!

Welcome to DU

[Wounded Bear]

14. K & R...with comment...

Why is it that when those crazy RWers start spewing their "States Rights" arguments it always seems to be in defense of some pretty funky shit?

First it was slavery, then civil rights, now it's so Big Money assholes can take advantage of the weaker states.

[liberal N proud]

15. I don't think they counted on Bundy going racist.

[SunSeeker]

37. Oh they counted on him being racist, they just didn't expect him to say that shit out loud.

Kinda like the number one rule of Fight Club: Never talk about Fight Club.

[Curmudgeoness]

16. Glad you made this an OP for more exposure.

Very important information. Thanks.

Glad to have you here.

[nenagh]

17. Thank you, great post...

So important to understand this.

[liberalla]

18. Damn! Very enlightening post.

The whole deal just infuriates me. How insidious. Disgusting, but not surprising.

Welcome to DU!

[myrna minx]

19. K&R. On edit - Welcome to DU and thanks for your information

[Cha]

20. Thank you mwyn!

[WillyT]

23. Perfect Graphic !!!

[Iwillnevergiveup]

21. Holy cow pies!

So, the answer to the question, "When is enough enough?" is NEVER!



And may I add my welcome to DU, mwyn8!

[Scuba]

22. Thank you mwyn8 and welcome to DU!!!

[rurallib]

24. Thank you so much - I intend to share

hope that is OK

And a hearty welcome!

[calimary]

25. Welcome to DU, mwyn8!

VERY glad you're here! Very nice connecting the dots. The more we know, the less the bad guys will be able to pull any wool over our eyes.

This is MOST interesting, and MOST relevant.

[mwyn8]

26. Thank you for the warm welcome everyone.

When I saw this I thought of the kochtopus graphic. Just hit home, made sense.

[WillyT]

40. Another Great Graphic...

[BelgianMadCow]

59. saving this one

I like network analysis.

[Avalux]

27. And it might have worked, if Bundy hadn't shot his mouth off.

On to plan B.

That's what I imagine the GOP are saying right now. Welcome to DU!!

[DhhD]

29. Plan B

http://www.democraticunderground.com/107817394

Open the link in the OP by White Cloud to see Plan B. This is a cross post from the Texas Group.

[GoneFishin]

28. A great find. Thanks for sharing. nt

[Overseas]

30. K&R. Thanks for posting.

[snappyturtle]

32. Defend public lands? All public lands? Wouldn't it be nice if the BLM did the same?

Right from the BLM website...and there's a lot more out there if folks bother to look....the BLM seems to be selling and auctioning it:

http://www.blm.gov/nv/st/en/snplma.html

Scroll down to the sixth bullet to read more....and the first one too. History of auction is available online.

Then there's SNPLMA Southern Nevada PublicLand Management Act:
http://www.doi.gov/oig/reports/upload/2003-I-0065.pdf



If the Koch thing is for real there are others with differing ideas RE: The Grazing Improvement Act S.258 now in committee...passed in the House:

http://www.beefusa.org/ourviewscolumns.aspx?NewsID=2867

For over a decade, permit holders and the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and Forest Service have relied on year to year appropriation language allowing them to use and issue permits and leases once they have expired. The Grazing Improvement Act fixes this by allowing the BLM and Forest Service to continue issuing grazing permits while an environmental analysis is being completed. This gives our farmers and ranchers the stability they need to keep their operations running. It also helps improve the cost-effectiveness of federal land management agencies, which is crucial in this time of limited budgets. The Grazing Improvement Act provides more certainty to federal lands ranchers is by increasing the term of a grazing permit from 10 to 20 years. The bill allows the Department of Interior Secretary to issue a categorical exclusion under the National Environmental Protection Act (NEPA) if the decision by the agency is to continue grazing management under the permit. These reforms will allow federal land agency personnel to spend more time in the field. By making the permit process more efficient, we will help decrease the backlog of permits the BLM and Forest Service currently face.

[Sunlei]

43. would be nice if the BLM really managed 'Our' public lands like they are supposed to. Salazar, IMO

was a mistake for the President to trust his advice, in the position he gave him. The presidents pretty much a greenhorn as far as cattle grazing goes, he doesn't have much experience in environmental issues. He probably took Salazars advice at face value.

Salazar is a cattle rancher with strong ties to oil and gas. He sold out on our public lands, and the wildlife that lived there too. I was really happy when he, all of a sudden,' had to quit.' I think he joined up right away as a lobbyist? for oil and gas. His replacement doesn't seem much better as a steward of our pubic lands & wildlife, but perhaps she will use science and real experts in the permitting process.

[snappyturtle]

46. I can't hold that same hope. Sally Jewel may even be worse than Salazar.

http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/news/2013/02/06/ceo-of-rei-to-replace-ken-salazar-as.html?page=all

snip....

Jewell, 56, spent 19 years as a commercial banker and was a petroleum engineer for what is now ExxonMobil, where she worked for a time in Colorado. She became COO at REI in 2000 and was promoted to chief executive in 2005.

snip....

[Sunlei]

47. you may be right. Sally Jewel fits right in with the 'good old boys' that infest our DOI/BLM

If she 'helps' Utah start to mine that states huge shale oil deposits, we may have another 'deathlands' in that part of our country. And another state that will want to pipeline toxic sludge to Texas for refining & export.

[bvar22]

49. The appointment of Salazar to run Interior...

...is entirely consistent with those he chose for other positions of power in his Administration:
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The DLC New Team
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(Screen Capped from the DLC Website)


Koch Industries gave funding to the DLC and served on its Executive Council
http://americablog.com/2010/08/koch-industries-gave-funding-to-the-dlc-and-served-on-its-executive-council.html

[snappyturtle]

53. Sadly, you are right imho. nt

[classof56]

33. Great stuff, mwyn8.

Many thanks, and welcome to DU! Glad to have you on board!

[Katashi_itto]

34. Bundy Bunch. Clowns. Senile clowns. Senile racist clowns.

Senile racist clowns with automatic weapons.

[sulphurdunn]

36. Private corporations

in the guise of state and federal legislatures and courts are the de facto government of the United States to the extent it is no longer possible to distinguish between public and private power.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

38. Holy Fucking Fuckityfuck. Peel any onion and find a Koch brother.

[icymist]

39. Welcome to the DU mwyn8!

K&R

[freshwest]

41. Thanks and welcome to DU, mwyn8. Yes this is the plan. While people hate others, they'll steal all.

Last edited Sun Apr 27, 2014, 12:59 PM - Edit history (1)

We will be without any redress from their pollution and the prices their monopoly will allow them to charge for the necessities.

This must be considered in this year's elections, as they will target anyone who isn't part of ALEC to get their way.

It's the most brazen theft ever, much more pervasive, while people fight over whatever the media tells them to do.

Excellent graphic!

I hope the masses aren't too far gone to get the message.

[Hekate]

42. Thanks, and welcome to DU. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

44. ALEC continues to tick off their agenda for the states, line by line

pushing for -

1.) "Right to Work" and the destruction of the unions
2.) "Voter ID" and the elimination of voting rights to all but a few
3.) "Anti-Choice legislation", with de-funding of Planned Parenthood, trans-vaginal ultrasounds, overturning Roe v Wade
4.) "Privatization of Schools" and elimination of public school systems
5.) "Privatization of Public Resources" to bring back the era of wealthy white male land owners (the OP)

and on and on....

[Enoki33]

45. Post appreciated

Thanks for the revealing post that explains why the right wing media and other bought and paid for Koch politicians were so quick to try to make a hero of that racist deadbeat from Nevada. In a strange way it took Bundy to so vividly expose the insidious aims of The Fox political party of millionaire hypocrites and Republican extreme representatives.

[socialist_n_TN]

48. And this is a large reason why there has been no governmental crackdown.......

on the fascist attack dogs in the form of the "militias" in the recent BLM/Bundy standoff. A segment of the big bourgeoisie, namely the Kochs and their allies, have ulterior, economic motives worth BILLIONS in profits to themselves. Since they have a large influence on government, the government is treading softly on the issue.

As an aside, the owners have historically been reluctant to play the "fascist" card since it meant they have to give up some power to the "loose cannons" of the fascists. However it looks like there might be a change in strategy, at least by a part of the bourgeoisie. This standoff is similar to Ukraine in that a SEGMENT of the bourgeoisie is willing to use the fascists to get their way more as a first resort than as a last.

[mountain grammy]

50. K & R This nails it. Thank you

and welcome!

[warrprayer]

52. kick

[suffragette]

54. This ticks many boxes for the Kochs: transfer fed lands to state and spread anti alternate energy

message.

All really about them wanting to privatize and make more money. That's the real land grab being attempted here.

See above for a connect the dots to a WA state ALEC legislator on this.

[Glorfindel]

57. Thank you, mwyn8, and welcome to DU!

[City Lights]

58. Welcome to DU, mwyn8!

Thanks for posting!

[ProSense]

60. Nice graphic. Here's

more background.

The Nevada Standoff Has Nothing To Do With "Tyranny," "Sovereignty," "Freedom," or Cows.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024816638

The Kochs’ AFP starts scrubbing its Bundy support
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024870874

Welcome to DU.

[locks]

61. Good to know more --thanks

Money not only talks, it lies......a lot

[Sarah Ibarruri]

62. You made my hair stand on end. So true. Thank you for posting this. nt

[wryter2000]

63. Well done!

And welcome to DU.

[icymist]

64. Going to kick this back up again.