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kpete

(71,964 posts)
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 08:52 AM Apr 2014

Justice Scalia Makes Epic "Cringeworthy" Blunder In Supreme Court Opinion

Justice Scalia Makes Epic Blunder In Supreme Court Opinion
SAHIL KAPUR – APRIL 30, 2014, 6:00 AM EDT
It's not often that a Supreme Court justice makes a factual blunder in a formal opinion.

Legal experts say Justice Antonin Scalia erred in his dissent in the 6-2 decision Tuesday to uphold the Environmental Protection Agency's authority to regulate coal pollution that moves across state lines. The Reagan-appointed jurist argued that the majority's decision was inconsistent with a unanimous 2001 ruling which he mistakenly said shot down EPA efforts to consider costs when setting regulations.

........................

The problem: the EPA's position in the 2001 case was exactly the opposite. The agency was defending its refusal to consider cost as a counter-weight to health benefits when setting certain air quality standards. It was the trucking industry that wanted the EPA to factor in cost. The 9-0 ruling sided with the EPA. The author of the ruling that Scalia mischaracterized? Scalia himself.

The conservative justice's error was noted by University of California-Berkley law professor Dan Farber, who called it "embarrassing" and a "cringeworthy blunder."

"Scalia’s dissent also contains a hugely embarrassing mistake. He refers to the Court’s earlier decision in American Trucking as involving an effort by EPA to smuggle cost considerations into the statute. But that’s exactly backwards: it was industry that argued for cost considerations and EPA that resisted," Farber wrote on the environmental law and policy blog Legal Planet. "This gaffe is doubly embarrassing because Scalia wrote the opinion in the case, so he should surely remember which side won! Either some law clerk made the mistake and Scalia failed to read his own dissent carefully enough, or he simply forgot the basics of the earlier case and his clerks failed to correct him. Either way, it's a cringeworthy blunder."


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Justice Scalia Makes Epic "Cringeworthy" Blunder In Supreme Court Opinion (Original Post) kpete Apr 2014 OP
A feature, not a bug gratuitous Apr 2014 #1
One in a series...I think he's getting senile. He was already arrogant. Demeter Apr 2014 #30
Justice Scalia is losing his already tenuous grasp on reality. n/t DirkGently Apr 2014 #53
Is there a mental competency test for federal judges? GeoWilliam750 Apr 2014 #83
There's an ''implied'' mental competency requirement, (Constitutional), but not a test. DeSwiss Apr 2014 #91
I am reminded of one of the reasons that the Framers of the Constitution Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2014 #43
! DeSwiss Apr 2014 #92
they really DO think they're that much smarter than us--note the setup in Atlas Shrugged: MisterP Apr 2014 #72
Scalia needs to retire before more goofs and bad decisions become the norm.... northoftheborder Apr 2014 #2
GOTV, retain the Senate, get Obama nominees confirmed. nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2014 #18
^^^THIS^^^ riqster Apr 2014 #26
Yes. This. ^ BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2014 #49
Yes! GOTV! nt IronLionZion Apr 2014 #88
Far too late for that. SwankyXomb Apr 2014 #47
He's about 1 donut short of a full blown coronary event anyway Major Nikon Apr 2014 #51
It's the cannolies what'll get 'em.... DeSwiss Apr 2014 #94
He doesn't have the market cornered on bad decisions hootinholler Apr 2014 #70
Nope--it's not. lastlib Apr 2014 #104
It is not. former9thward Apr 2014 #107
But who will take care of his boy if he's gone? erronis Apr 2014 #100
I'll say it...... Hobo Apr 2014 #3
I'll say it, too, Hobo... kag Apr 2014 #25
Actually in the last several years he has been acting much more irrationally then usually. I lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #4
I'm thinking a competency exam--->R/O Alzheimer's or other dementia. hue Apr 2014 #31
I didn't say it but I was thinking the same thing lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #42
They say that learning new things helps keep your brain healthy as you age. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #84
This thread needs 10,000 recs..nt StopTheNeoCons Apr 2014 #5
Nothing I can say about that ugly cretin that hasn't been said countless times. hlthe2b Apr 2014 #6
This is the guy... Ron Obvious Apr 2014 #7
Yes, that statement made my jaw drop open... Swede Atlanta Apr 2014 #11
really. that was paralyzing. BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2014 #50
He lives in his own sociopathic self centered world so common to the RW'ers. hue Apr 2014 #33
I remember I had that unbelievable statement of his liberalhistorian Apr 2014 #108
Please his biggest blunder was bush v Gore Botany Apr 2014 #8
That wasn't blunder, it was opportunistic activism JHB Apr 2014 #54
Well like our friends on the right nykym Apr 2014 #9
He is the poster child for rightwing "thinking"... Moostache Apr 2014 #10
I am not so sure. ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2014 #14
I wonder if it could be a manifestation of Ineeda Apr 2014 #19
I wouldn't leave out one nonmedical "aging issue"... JHB Apr 2014 #58
I think the medical term is "comormidity?" Nevernose Apr 2014 #71
won't be long now NJCher Apr 2014 #106
Scalia-a disgusting Reagan blunder. nt UtahLib Apr 2014 #12
Senility? n2doc Apr 2014 #13
That was my thought. jwirr Apr 2014 #29
I agree with the senility diagnosis Gothmog Apr 2014 #74
Though wouldn't the clerks cover that? treestar May 2014 #120
Speaking of cringeworthy: scalia is a supreme court justice fishwax Apr 2014 #15
Exactly. nt SunSeeker Apr 2014 #24
I Cringe Everytime I See His Name In Print ProfessorGAC Apr 2014 #40
Who was confirmed by a vote of 98-0. former9thward Apr 2014 #109
Not a big surprise. Scalia has no regard for truth. merrily Apr 2014 #16
Nailed it. Ilsa Apr 2014 #44
Demented, deranged, delusional, despicable.. mountain grammy Apr 2014 #17
Is there recourse in the Constitution for a SC Justice if they really become mentally unstable? The Wielding Truth Apr 2014 #20
they run for president? ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2014 #21
No, I don't think so. Impeachment, retirement, or death.. mountain grammy Apr 2014 #23
If "cringeworthy" were an impeachable offense Scalia and Thomas would both be gone. yellowcanine Apr 2014 #38
I do think blatant corruption is an impeachable offense mountain grammy Apr 2014 #55
Yes, impeachment. jeff47 Apr 2014 #35
Will Louie Gohmert Notice There's a Problem? Ducksworthy Apr 2014 #93
Most of his opinions are "cringeworthy" but none was more so than: DFW Apr 2014 #22
Scalia is so full of Duh derby378 Apr 2014 #27
Wasn't it Scalia who criticized Marshall for not meeting the standards of the SCOTUS? nt kelliekat44 Apr 2014 #28
Reminds me of when he opposed overturning DOMA because it wasn't NYC Liberal Apr 2014 #32
Alzheimers? Dementia? MohRokTah Apr 2014 #34
Scalia himself is "cringe worthy" so this should not be a surprise. yellowcanine Apr 2014 #36
You and me... 3catwoman3 Apr 2014 #110
Since Scalia authored the opinion that he was mistaken on means he has no concept of what he's doing hue Apr 2014 #37
It wasn't him, it was a staff member. malthaussen Apr 2014 #39
Yet Scalia should be cognizant of what was written under his name. hue Apr 2014 #45
Maybe ALEC watoos Apr 2014 #41
Thomas claims that sabbat hunter Apr 2014 #61
does anyone think that weissmam Apr 2014 #46
Fat Tony's marbles never rolled well, in any case. Quasimodem Apr 2014 #87
I've been saying to my friends for some time now that SwankyXomb Apr 2014 #48
Clearly Scalia doesn't write his own opinions. nt TeamPooka Apr 2014 #52
as mentioned upthread, seems like possibility of early dementia eShirl Apr 2014 #56
A point left out is that Justice Thomas and his clerks totally missed it as well. Dustlawyer Apr 2014 #57
Though I disagree with much about many of Robert's decision, I would not group him with scaila, lostincalifornia May 2014 #117
HE.DOESN'T.FUCKING.CARE LondonReign2 Apr 2014 #59
I can only imagine what an ass I'd become if I knew I couldn't be fired. AAO Apr 2014 #86
His selection by St. Ronnie of Rayguns was the original declaration of war on civility in govt IMHO corkhead Apr 2014 #60
We outsourced justice to the billionaires... Orsino Apr 2014 #62
"cringeworthy" and "embarrassing" only apply to people with a sense of shame. bvar22 Apr 2014 #63
K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2014 #64
So does this mean that just by keeping his mouth shut, Clarence is the smart one? n/t A Simple Game Apr 2014 #65
It's time to retire. leanforward Apr 2014 #66
Too much rich food at those gala conservative events. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2014 #67
I think, there is a third ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #68
Come on, admit it! Does Justice Scalia's opinion have to make sense? rock Apr 2014 #69
Scalia has been going senile for some time now Gothmog Apr 2014 #73
antonin scalia IS a cringeworthy blunder. calimary Apr 2014 #75
Why 6-2? volstork Apr 2014 #76
Sounds like he has Alzheimer's or dementia riverbendviewgal Apr 2014 #77
This is what happens when one forgets to remove the lump of coal from... chknltl Apr 2014 #78
Keep a list of stuff like this: it may become useful struggle4progress Apr 2014 #79
The nomination and confirmation of Anton Scalia as a Supreme Court Justice surely is one of this indepat Apr 2014 #80
never let the law get in the way of pushing a political agenda Supersedeas Apr 2014 #81
Time to retire? n/t Laelth Apr 2014 #82
Time to retire when your mind goes... AAO Apr 2014 #85
Before he was against it, he was for it....... DeSwiss Apr 2014 #89
what an IDIOT!!! dicksmc3 Apr 2014 #90
, blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #95
Next opinion written in purple crayon: EPA = EVIL (with frowny face) stg81 Apr 2014 #96
Is senility a grounds for impeachment? McCamy Taylor Apr 2014 #97
No mistake. He's rewriting history. As usual. nt valerief Apr 2014 #98
Can you say, "wacky wingnut", anyone? AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #99
He's lost it. Face it, he's a walking example of Organic Mental Disease Warpy Apr 2014 #101
Scalia and Thomas should be impeached. Lint Head Apr 2014 #102
According to google... Stryst Apr 2014 #103
What "should be" and what realistically can be done are two very different things... markpkessinger Apr 2014 #105
GOTV Stryst May 2014 #118
As corpulent as he is... 3catwoman3 Apr 2014 #111
I too, hope for an early departure Iwillnevergiveup May 2014 #112
He is "cringeworthy".. Hulk May 2014 #113
Scalia has early signs of AD Helen Borg May 2014 #114
Scalia and his Mini Me (Thomas) nyabingi May 2014 #115
Same way that they got across corperate personhood back in the day, wasn't it? JackInGreen May 2014 #116
This was a major screwup or mistake by Scalia Gothmog May 2014 #119

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
1. A feature, not a bug
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 09:00 AM
Apr 2014

Oh, you libruls and your so-called "principles"! Justice Scalia is so far advanced over your quaint notions of "judicial review" and "stare decisis" that you are like ants to his towering intellect. Perhaps that great philosopher quoted by Lewis Carroll in "Alice in Wonderland" came closest to expressing Justice Scalia's judicial outlook: When he uses a word, he decides what that word means, even if he used it in an entirely different meaning previously.

Years from now, historians will pore over Justice Scalia's corpus of judicial opinions and marvel (marvel, I say!) at how such a man could have sat on the nation's highest court.

GeoWilliam750

(2,521 posts)
83. Is there a mental competency test for federal judges?
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 05:01 PM
Apr 2014

To prevent senile judges from making terrible mistakes in people's lives.

Entirely serious here.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
91. There's an ''implied'' mental competency requirement, (Constitutional), but not a test.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 06:48 PM
Apr 2014
Article 3 - The Judicial Branch
Section 1 - Judicial Powers

The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behavior, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services a Compensation which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office. link


Thus leaving examinations of behavior up to the Congress (meaning nothing will be done since only one justice has ever been impeached). And that ''Good Behavior'' clause also mean a lifetime appointment, which insures that insanity will reign since most are already a little loony (some are full loons) from the start. Because you'd have to be crazy to study law.

- The only people who love the law are rich lawyers and nuts like Scalia.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
43. I am reminded of one of the reasons that the Framers of the Constitution
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 11:04 AM
Apr 2014

Made a specific definition of treason has to do with the arrest of Lord Montague in 1539 in the reign of Henry VIII. He was arrested for treason, and told the arresting officer that he had committed no treason. The officer replied, "Treason is what the King says it is."

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
72. they really DO think they're that much smarter than us--note the setup in Atlas Shrugged:
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 02:23 PM
Apr 2014

a handful of really important people, who do all the work, and a mob (always "teeming" or "roiling&quot of the other 99.99985% who rightfully die like sheep until we kneel and literally let them do what they want; the sickest fantasies can have the most appeal

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
70. He doesn't have the market cornered on bad decisions
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 02:02 PM
Apr 2014

But I would be happy to see his retirement.

I would imagine that senility would be grounds for impeachment.

lastlib

(23,166 posts)
104. Nope--it's not.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 10:21 PM
Apr 2014

Most judges over 65 can take senior status, where they hear fewer cases, and do less judicial work, but nothing requires them to. Other judges on a court can gently nudge one toward the door when signs of senility or dementia start to show and affect his work, but that's not always effective. And the Supreme Court justices certainly doesn't have this option, or we'd have gotten rid of a lot of them a lot younger. But impeachment almost takes an act of God to accomplish. Alcee Hastings was the last one actually impeached, I believe.

former9thward

(31,947 posts)
107. It is not.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 10:43 PM
Apr 2014

William Douglas, who was a great champion for civil liberties became very senile in his last years. The final straw for his fellow SC members came when he wrote an opinion (a dissent) saying trees had a right to sue the government. At that point the other Justices joined together and agreed not give any decisions on cases where Douglas would be a deciding vote. They decided to wait for him to die or retire.

He finally retired in 1975 and Justice Stevens took his place. But Douglas believed that he could take senior status, and tried to continue serving on the Court. Douglas refused to accept his retirement and tried to participate in the court's cases well into 1976, after Stevens had taken his former seat. Douglas reacted with outrage when, returning to his old chambers, he discovered that his clerks had been reassigned to Stevens, and when he tried to file opinions in cases whose arguments he had heard before his retirement. Chief Justice Warren Burger ordered all justices, clerks, and other staff members to refuse to help Douglas in those efforts. When Douglas tried in March 1976 to hear arguments in a capital-punishment case, (Gregg v. Georgia), the nine sitting justices signed a formal letter informing him that his retirement had ended his official duties on the court.

A sad end to a great career.

lostincalifornia

(3,639 posts)
4. Actually in the last several years he has been acting much more irrationally then usually. I
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 09:03 AM
Apr 2014

suspect he is having some kind of deterioration of some sort


hue

(4,949 posts)
31. I'm thinking a competency exam--->R/O Alzheimer's or other dementia.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 10:34 AM
Apr 2014

Actually I think there is prob. a RW tangential limited perspective brain dysfunction common to most if not all extreme conservatives...(just sayin')

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
84. They say that learning new things helps keep your brain healthy as you age.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 05:28 PM
Apr 2014

Conservatives think they know everything already and don't need to learn anything new. That's a recipe for brain deterioration and senility. So, maybe.

hlthe2b

(102,138 posts)
6. Nothing I can say about that ugly cretin that hasn't been said countless times.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 09:06 AM
Apr 2014

He has no business being a Supreme Court Justice--any more than Clarence, or the twin liars, Alito and Roberts.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
7. This is the guy...
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 09:06 AM
Apr 2014

This is the guy who said that factual innocence is no reason to NOT execute someone who's had a fair trial. I don't know what kind of world this idiot lives in, but in the one I thought I was living in, he'd have been impeached years ago.

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
11. Yes, that statement made my jaw drop open...
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 09:17 AM
Apr 2014

He should have been impeached and removed from office for that.

Whether someone had a "fair" trial or not if the underlying charges are false what kind of society are we if we believe it is still okay to execute them?

But this is the world in which conservatives live. Their decisions are not fact based. They are based on how they want something to come out. If the facts don't support that outcome they just ignore, manufacture or alter the facts.

liberalhistorian

(20,814 posts)
108. I remember I had that unbelievable statement of his
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 10:48 PM
Apr 2014

as my sig line on one of the conservative sites I used to visit several years ago. I was challenged on it by someone who said it'd either been taken out of context or he'd never actually said it that way. I was able to show that that was not the case, but they still had trouble believing it. Probably because it really is such a surreal, incredible, unbelievable thing to think, let alone say, and let alone for a friggin' supreme court justice of all things, that it's almost too hard to believe it's really true.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
10. He is the poster child for rightwing "thinking"...
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 09:14 AM
Apr 2014

The entire point of EVERYTHING is to serve the politics of the moment and appease the bloodless zealots on the fringes of reality to burnish your credibility as being truly severely 'conservative'.

He has always been a naked partisan on the court and he has now morphed into the logical conclusion - a self-parody. Imagine the smug response from him if any one else had made a similar gaffe...it would be cause for the court to investigate ways to remove one of their own by god...

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
14. I am not so sure.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 09:29 AM
Apr 2014

Given some of his recent public statements, it seems as though there is something more organic and serious going on. He seems to be less in control, and more "decisive" along the lines of early onset aging issues.

Ineeda

(3,626 posts)
19. I wonder if it could be a manifestation of
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 09:47 AM
Apr 2014

an utter meltdown. We're seeing it all over the RW world: they're revealing more and more of their insane agenda and their contempt of minorities, women and, especially, this black president has become more overt. Despite all Scalia's (and others') efforts, he has failed, mostly. One of the most powerful people in the country! This could drive an egomaniac insane. I sure hope his compatriots are keeping their eyes on him. Betcha he carries a gun.

JHB

(37,157 posts)
58. I wouldn't leave out one nonmedical "aging issue"...
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 12:15 PM
Apr 2014

...simple "crotchety old crank"-hood.

"I'm close to 80 years old. What are they gonna do to me? Why should I give a rat's ass if what I say bugs somebody?"

Maybe medical factors are exacerbating it, maybe not, but Tony has the personality type that makes a beeline for that status even when in perfect health.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
71. I think the medical term is "comormidity?"
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 02:07 PM
Apr 2014

When a person has two separate problems -- in this case potential aging issues and his lifelong habit of torturing logic until he gets the results he wants -- and getting one result from two problems.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
13. Senility?
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 09:25 AM
Apr 2014

Maybe Fat Tony's brain is failing. Either that or he has gone into full fantasy land.

Has there ever been a judge removed for senility from the SC?

Gothmog

(144,939 posts)
74. I agree with the senility diagnosis
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 02:49 PM
Apr 2014

Some of Scalia's latest opinions are really poorly done and have some bad mistakes.

ProfessorGAC

(64,869 posts)
40. I Cringe Everytime I See His Name In Print
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 10:51 AM
Apr 2014

That makes this only a very minor cringeworthy event.

Wow, Scalia made a mistake! Really? He's been wrong about everything for 40 years. Why would this make people cringe now?
GAC

merrily

(45,251 posts)
16. Not a big surprise. Scalia has no regard for truth.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 09:34 AM
Apr 2014

The Justice who invokes originalism every other minute actually found an original intent of the Framers to guaranty corporations a right of using money as political speech.

Who knew they were so inarticulate they couldn't say anything remotely like that?

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
44. Nailed it.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 11:05 AM
Apr 2014

Scalia will make shit up, lie, to suit his oligarchic and religious agendas. It's no surprise that he "misstates" a previous opinion.

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
17. Demented, deranged, delusional, despicable..
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 09:35 AM
Apr 2014

descalia...I expect to someday see him taken away by the little men in white coats.. and Thomas will follow because that's what he does.

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
23. No, I don't think so. Impeachment, retirement, or death..
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 10:03 AM
Apr 2014

I'm rooting for all three and apologize to anyone who's offended.

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
32. Reminds me of when he opposed overturning DOMA because it wasn't
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 10:36 AM
Apr 2014

the Supreme Court's job to "overturn laws passed by the democratic process" (or something)...only a day after striking down a huge portion of the VRA.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
34. Alzheimers? Dementia?
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 10:39 AM
Apr 2014

One must consider the possibility that the Justice is suffering from some brain disorder given the fact that he wrote the original opinion.

hue

(4,949 posts)
37. Since Scalia authored the opinion that he was mistaken on means he has no concept of what he's doing
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 10:45 AM
Apr 2014

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
39. It wasn't him, it was a staff member.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 10:47 AM
Apr 2014

Heads will roll for this!

I seriousness, though, I wonder if this is just another illustration of the RW's love of brazenly telling lies and hoping nobody will notice? These days, you know, "true facts" are optional.

-- Mal

hue

(4,949 posts)
45. Yet Scalia should be cognizant of what was written under his name.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 11:05 AM
Apr 2014

I also realize most of what is written for the SCOTUS judges is written by aides or even ALEC employees but there should be some culpability by the judges for knowing what was written "by them."

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
41. Maybe ALEC
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 10:59 AM
Apr 2014

Maybe ALEC writes opinions for certain SC justices just like it writes legislation for Repubs. Certainly, someone has to be writing Clarence Thomas' Opinions. He never speaks for a reason.

sabbat hunter

(6,827 posts)
61. Thomas claims that
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 12:39 PM
Apr 2014

oral arguments are usually a waste of time and that he can make his decisions based on the briefs he is presented.....

SwankyXomb

(2,030 posts)
48. I've been saying to my friends for some time now that
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 11:34 AM
Apr 2014

President Obama should just hold a press conference where he announces he's accepting the resignations of Scalia and Thomas, and replace them with the most liberal judges he can find.

eShirl

(18,479 posts)
56. as mentioned upthread, seems like possibility of early dementia
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 12:09 PM
Apr 2014

or perhaps some other (possibly reversible?) medical issue

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
57. A point left out is that Justice Thomas and his clerks totally missed it as well.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 12:12 PM
Apr 2014

Thomas is just so used to saying, "Me too" to everything Scalia does. He is a mental light weight who does not ask questions during oral arguments for fear of exposing his stupidity. Besides, that would mean that he has to pay attention during the arguments.
Scalia, Thomas, Alito, and Roberts are all partisan hacks. Notice that Scalia's opinion on the case did not change one bit even though he discovered that his argument was based on the facts being opposite of what he had thought they were. Disgusting and sad!

lostincalifornia

(3,639 posts)
117. Though I disagree with much about many of Robert's decision, I would not group him with scaila,
Thu May 1, 2014, 08:42 AM
May 2014

thomas, and alito.

Roberts most amazing decision was the ACA. In fact he provided the argument for the proponents of it by telling them it was a tax. when they refused to use that argument. We really escaped a bullet with that one. I believe he was influenced by his personal medical situation which allowed it to pass This is another reason why Roberts voted down oversight for Southern states, implying that "prejudice" is no longer a problem in those states, because he has no personal experience in being discriminated against.

Roberts decision on citizens united is outrageous, and I believed deeply flawed, the same can be said for kennedy. It is now obvious that Kennedy was kept in check by o'conner, especially with regard to his decisions after she left.


LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
59. HE.DOESN'T.FUCKING.CARE
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 12:26 PM
Apr 2014

He's made that clear. He doesn't give a flying fuck, or any sort of fuck at all for that matter, about jurisprudence. And, he's not going to bother making believe that he does. He knows he is beyond the law and he is determined to act that way.

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
60. His selection by St. Ronnie of Rayguns was the original declaration of war on civility in govt IMHO
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 12:38 PM
Apr 2014

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
62. We outsourced justice to the billionaires...
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 12:39 PM
Apr 2014

...and ought not to act surprised when they in turn outsource it to cheap, unskilled labor.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
63. "cringeworthy" and "embarrassing" only apply to people with a sense of shame.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 12:55 PM
Apr 2014

The sense of shame is one of the very few things that separates us from the animals.
Scalia lost that long ago.

leanforward

(1,076 posts)
66. It's time to retire.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 01:25 PM
Apr 2014

Thank you for posting this note from Prof Farber. Justice Scalia needs to resign. What gets me is he wrote the other opinion. Hopefully, the snowball has started rolling.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
68. I think, there is a third ...
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 01:34 PM
Apr 2014
"This gaffe is doubly embarrassing because Scalia wrote the opinion in the case, so he should surely remember which side won! Either some law clerk made the mistake and Scalia failed to read his own dissent carefully enough, or he simply forgot the basics of the earlier case and his clerks failed to correct him. Either way, it's a cringeworthy blunder."


and more likely option to consider, based on his apparent aversion to facts ...

Scalia doesn't care about facts, and neither does the right. We have seen time after time, simply declaring something, makes it a fact, even when easily proven false. In the (loosely adapted) words of a gop aide: "We create truth by declaration ... and while you spend your time proving us wrong, we've accomplished our aim and have moved on to declare a different truth, on a different topic."

rock

(13,218 posts)
69. Come on, admit it! Does Justice Scalia's opinion have to make sense?
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 01:59 PM
Apr 2014

Does it have to be grammatical? Does it even have to be English or for that matter a human language? If it does need to be any of these things, then we picked the wrong man. Although I hear he can pick his nose, tie his shoes and wipe his ass all at the same time.

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
78. This is what happens when one forgets to remove the lump of coal from...
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 03:36 PM
Apr 2014

...ones Christmas stocking before putting the stocking on ones head.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
80. The nomination and confirmation of Anton Scalia as a Supreme Court Justice surely is one of this
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 03:40 PM
Apr 2014

nation's most cringe-worthy blunders imo. The proof is in the constitutional damage inflicted by his opinions and depraved influence he inflicts on other right-wing justices.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
89. Before he was against it, he was for it.......
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 06:31 PM
Apr 2014

...but then he was against it again.

- Only that time it was by mistake. Clear?

K&R


''Oops. I think I sharted.....''

dicksmc3

(262 posts)
90. what an IDIOT!!!
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 06:37 PM
Apr 2014

So, what else would we expect from a right-wing ding like Scalia. He was a BIG supporter of MONEY IS SPEACH... NUf Said...

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
99. Can you say, "wacky wingnut", anyone?
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 07:35 PM
Apr 2014

I mean it literally this time. This goodfella's losing his marbles.....

Warpy

(111,169 posts)
101. He's lost it. Face it, he's a walking example of Organic Mental Disease
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 08:44 PM
Apr 2014

which is the fancy ass name for senile dementia these days. I spotted it during Stupid's early years and it's getting bad enough that his clerks are having trouble covering for him.

With that massive ego, he won't resign. We need a mechanism that will retire such people when it starts to get obvious.

The founders messed up on that one. USSC justices should have been appointed for 25 years or life, which ever is shorter.

Stryst

(714 posts)
103. According to google...
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 10:17 PM
Apr 2014
A Supreme Court Justice may be impeached by the House of Representatives and removed from office if convicted in a Senate trial, but only for the same types of offenses that would trigger impeachment proceedings for any other government official under Articles I and II of the Constitution

markpkessinger

(8,392 posts)
105. What "should be" and what realistically can be done are two very different things...
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 10:25 PM
Apr 2014

Since impeachment requires a 2/3 vote in a Senate trial, so long as there are at least 34 Republicans in the U.S. Senate, impeaching Republican Supreme Court justices remains a practical impossibility.

Stryst

(714 posts)
118. GOTV
Thu May 1, 2014, 01:15 PM
May 2014

I live in north Florida, and if it takes two dem votes to equal one republican vote, then Ill make sure I have at least two friends with me when I vote.

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
112. I too, hope for an early departure
Thu May 1, 2014, 02:45 AM
May 2014

from the SC by Scalia, for whatever reason. How about Kamala Harris as a replacement?

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
113. He is "cringeworthy"..
Thu May 1, 2014, 03:39 AM
May 2014

The guys is one devilish looking, twisted mind fook. I have yet to hear or see one thing come from this thug jack ass that I can agree with. Not one!

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
114. Scalia has early signs of AD
Thu May 1, 2014, 04:27 AM
May 2014

This is a huge problem, when few old people have so much power. They should be required to take tough cognitive and affective functioning tests every year.

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
115. Scalia and his Mini Me (Thomas)
Thu May 1, 2014, 07:27 AM
May 2014

are both the best arguments for doing away with the lifetime appointment of Supreme Court justices.

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
116. Same way that they got across corperate personhood back in the day, wasn't it?
Thu May 1, 2014, 07:35 AM
May 2014

have an opinion or descent out of line with previous decisions, have it tagged FOR that blunder for research, the blunder becomes the new rule, right?

Gothmog

(144,939 posts)
119. This was a major screwup or mistake by Scalia
Thu May 1, 2014, 05:05 PM
May 2014

This was a major screwup by Scalia http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/antonin-scalia-blunder-unprecedented-epa

Justice Antonin Scalia's factual error in a dissenting opinion Tuesday has become the talk of the legal community as experts puzzle over the extraordinary nature of the Reagan-appointed justice's blunder, which the Supreme Court quietly corrected as of Wednesday morning.

It's common for the Supreme Court to make typographical corrections and insubstantial edits to a decision after its release. But it's exceedingly rare to see a factual error that helps form the basis for an opinion. Legal experts say Scalia's mistake appears to be wholly unprecedented in that it involves a justice flatly misstating core facts from one of his own prior opinions.

"This is a topic I know fair amount about, and I do not know of any other instance when a Justice has mischaracterized one of his own prior opinions, let alone in such a loud fashion and when he is otherwise criticizing others for their blunders," said Richard J. Lazarus, a Harvard law professor. "I strongly doubt it has ever happened before."

I do not remember seeing the SCOTUS ever make a major change to an already released opinion
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