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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBenghazi is kind of a perfect scandal in that what is alleged isn't particularly scandalous
Rather than seeking smoking gun evidence of some dastardly act, the idea to to seek evidence of some unexceptional act that wouldn't matter much if it was true.
It's like someone saying they don't feed their cat Tender Vittles (do they still make those?) followed by a multi-year search at the landfill for an empty Tender Vittles pouch proximate to a piece of discarded junk mail with that person's address.
Even if it suggested something, it would merely suggest that the person may have fed their cat Tender Vittles. Or not.
Okay. So what? But they said they didn't feed their cat Tender Vittles, and this fails to disprove that they fed their cat Tender Vittles, and OMG! Tender Vittles!
And this is what makes Benghazi a rather clever fake scandal. By not actually claiming anything it can never be disproved.
And since there is no specific substantial charge, everything is a smoking gun because everything proves something. And maybe that something is the scandal!
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)ask each of them what the scandal is and you usually get a different answer.
Gothmog
(145,046 posts)The GOP has claimed to have found smoking guns every other week. The latest "smoking gun" does not change anything. http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/04/30/smoking_gun_shock_benghazi_e_mail_reveals_that_obama_white_house_agreed.html
The #Benghazi story is really tailor-made for the Vox version of journalism, the one with cards and updates explaining what new piece of information explains or debunks what previously understood piece of information. In this case, in order to consider the Rhodes email a "smoking gun," you need to forget the previously known timeline of emails sent on Sept. 14. Luckily, Time's Zeke Miller has left his timeline hanging around on the Internets, so I can add the Rhodes disclosure in bold text.11:15 a.m.: The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence,* having asked for talking points, gets a draft from the CIAs Office of Terrorism Analysis. It starts with this line, the one that would undo Susan Rice during her run through the Sunday shows: "We believe based on currently available information that the attacks in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the U.S. consulate and subsequently its annex."
12:23 p.m.: The CIA's office of general counsel adds a line about the "inspired by the protests" theory being inconclusive.
3:04 p.m.: The talking points are sent to relevant White House aides, including Ben Rhodes.
4:42 p.m.: The CIA circulates new talking points but removes a mention of al Qaida.
6:21 p.m.: The White House (Tommy Vietor, not Ben Rhodes) ads a line about the administration warning, on September 10, of social media reports calling for demonstrations.
7:39 p.m.: State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland objects to some of the language because "the penultimate point could be abused by members to beat the State Department for not paying attention to Agency warnings."
8:09 p.m.: Ben Rhodes sends the "smoking gun" email, nine hours after the first draft of talking points from the CIA said that the attacks grew out of a demonstration.
Read that USA Today lede again. It reports that "a White House official urged that the assault on the U.S. consulate be blamed on a protest that never happened." And he didhours after the CIA and State Department were urging that the assault on the U.S. consulate be blamed on a protest. Can we chastise Rhodes, in retrospect, for not being more skeptical of what was known? Ten years after George "slam dunk" Tenet's advice for a prior administration, yes, I think we can. But it's just lazy journalism or lazy politicking to blame Rhodes for a talking point that was fed from the CIA. The White House's shifty-sounding excuse, that the "demonstration" story line came not from its spin factory but from the CIA, remains surprisingly accurate. (And I mean really lazy. It does not take very much time to compare the new Rhodes email to the previously known timeline of emails.)
The smoking gun is an e-mail that the White was agreeing with the CIA and State Department. I am shocked that anyone think that this e-mail changes anything. It would have been surprising if the White House disagreed with the CIA and the State Department.
Mz Pip
(27,433 posts)The CT folks want everyone to believe that Clinton and Obama let these people die on purpose. Of what possible political advantage would be gained by either one of them if that were so? It's just crazy talk.
newblewtoo
(667 posts)using it to discredit Obama's election victory and target Hillary's chances for 2016. They really don't care about the four dead as long as they can create an aura of wrong doing on the administration's part. It is the old tell a lie long enough and eventually folk will believe it gambit. "An obvious conspiracy" they cry, "why won't they answer our questions?" Of course each time someone does provide an answer they change the question.