Kentucky field party shooting: Teen Samantha Ramsey shot dead trying to avoid sobriety test

[damnedifIknow]

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[CincyDem]

1. Because the chickenshit with the badge was afraid...

...that the tough 16 year old girl was going hurt him.

Man-freaking-up asshat.

[Jasana]

2. Well she could have hurt him with that car but...

looking at the dashcam, the angle she's driving at looks more like what the kids say happened. Still, everything I really wanted to see was off camera.

[CincyDem]

5. I could buy that if...

...he shot her through the windshield as she was bearing down on him.

Anything else and he was just out to prove his manly man-ness.

[npk]

11. Yes but the cop put himself in the path of a moving vehicle

and then used that as an excuse to open fire on a car full of young kids. You can't use that as a defense. Now if the female behind the wheel had turned the car in the direction of the officer, who was attempting to get out of the way of the car and gunned it; then it would be a different story and the cop would have been justified. But that is clearly not what happened. You would think a cop, who is an adult, would have used far better discretion. He could have just allowed the driver to flee, and recorded the license plate; later he could have issued warrants and taken the teenager into custody with all the emotion removed. The sad thing about situations like this is we expect teenagers to use poor judgement, that is part of the process of growing up, but we expect a fucking adult to have better judgement. A fucking ticket, or arrest for underage drinking is a rather minor offense, and all though the driver could have been charged with leaving the scene or eluding an officer, that is still a rather minor offense. Unfortunately this cop decided to make this a life and death situation by putting himself in clear danger, when there was no reason to do so.

Just unbelievable stupidity on the display here.

[CincyDem]

19. A retired cops perspective.

Good friend of mine. His dad was a cop forever. When he retired, one of his proudest statements was "never shot anyone".

Seems to be a lost point of pride.

[npk]

23. I am not saying a cop should never have a situation arise where he has to use his firearm

But this was not one of those situations. But thanks for the perspective. Many officers such as your friends dad do truly consider using their gun as a last resort, unfortunately a few don't.

[Historic NY]

27. +1

[defacto7]

37. A highly appreciated comment.

Things have changed. These days most things are quickly and easily dealt with by killing with a firearm. There's no thinking involved, no expertise, no bravery, no namby-pamby negotiation, no thought for innocence, age, fear, motive or collateral injury or death... just start shooting and you win the board game. It's a sick board game.

[bobGandolf]

78. It SHOULD be a point of pride! n/t

[KansDem]

79. "Seems to be a lost point of pride."

I had a good high-school friend whose dad was a career cop. When I knew the family, his dad was a detective for the Los Angeles Police Department. He told me that he only drew his gun once. He and his partner were called to investigate a warehouse. It was night and for security reasons they drew their weapons before entering. That was the only time he took his gun out of its holster.

Times have certainly changed.

[JVS]

8. Is it unmanly to be afraid of being hurt when someone is driving a car with you on the hood?

Maybe she should have womaned up and realized that you can't just drive around with a cop on your hood because you're drunk and afraid of getting a DUI.

[npk]

15. What kind of idiot jumps in front of moving vehicle and jumps on the hood of a moving car

This isn't a hollywood movie for christ sake. At the start of the video the cop is to the side of the vehicle, near the drivers side door. The car is clearly in motion and leaving, true a crime no doubt, but the dumb ass cop exercised horrendous judgement. He put himself in the path of the car, not the other away around. The cop could have backed away from a situation that started off rather minor, a scared teenager trying to getaway so she could avoid getting in trouble. You know there is a tomorrow. The world will continue spinning for another sunrise. The cop could have recorded the license plate, and issued warrants. But of course that is just boring right. Got to prove you are a macho cop to your buddies on the force. Wouldn't want this cop getting teased for allowing a teenager to getaway right. And this doesn't even take into account the officer fired into a vehicle with two other people in it, who regardless of what they had done at the party, had no control over what the driver was doing or not doing.

I guess this cop has never heard the phrase "discretion is the better part of valor". Nope it was going to end badly for those kids the second John Wayne responded to the scene. Sad and disgust all around.

[CincyDem]

28. I'm sure her actions said to him...

...you have tiny tiny man parts.

As he was jumping on the hood all he could think was "I'll show you".

And he did.

[pnwmom]

25. What was he doing on the hood instead of on the ground, writing down her license plate? n/t

[JVS]

31. According to the article she either ran into him or he jumped onto the hood.

What was she driving away for? Police are allowed to pull over drivers and it's not at their discretion to stop or not.

[pnwmom]

33. She was drunk; he was a sober cop, presumably. If he jumped on the hood on purpose,

that was just stupid. He could have shot out her tire. He could have hopped into his car, radioed for help, and followed her.

There were lots of better choices.

[ProfessorGAC]

94. Nope. Never A Better Option Than Shooting First

Of course, i'm attempting to put myself in the cop's mind.

[defacto7]

41. "she should have womaned up" ?

Do you realize what you are saying? Realized? Drunk and afraid?

She will never "woman up".
She will never realize anything.
She will also never be drunk or afraid again.

Of all the things a cop could have done, all of which would have brought her to whatever justice she deserved, he chose none of them.

Instead, he served as judge, jury and executioner because....

She was 16
Drunk
and afraid.

What a coward he was.

[seabeyond]

44. what moron jumps on the hood of a car? someone ready to shoot and kill. nt

[kelliekat44]

48. This is what happens with guns everywhere. Law enforcement is afraid too. they know everyone is

armed and they are not going to take any chances. And no, I am not excusing this, just saying what the NRA has wrought.

[oneofthe99]

3. She was drunk and tried to run

If she tried to hit the cop with her car...good shoot

If he fired at her just to stop her then it's murder.

Can't tell

[emsimon33]

113. Why would he stand in front of the car if that is what happened?

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Just jump out of the way and get in the squad car and go after her. It is murder and I hope he gets 25 to life for killing her. Maybe then it will send a message to the police.

[oneofthe99]

4. It says he was on the hood of the car when he shot her

HEBRON, Ky. -- The Boone County Sheriff's Department continued to investigate Monday whether their deputy followed proper procedures last weekend after ending up on the hood of a moving car and fatally shooting the teenage driver.

Officers have to make split-second decisions when a suspect drives away in a car, said Ed Bridgeman, professor of criminal justice and program coordinator of criminal justice technology at University of Cincinnati Clermont College. They can pursue or write down the license plate number.

"If a car drives toward you, that is a threat of deadly force," he said. "That is the same as someone pointing a 12-gauge shotgun at you and cocking the hammer back. You got 2,000 pounds of steel coming at you."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/28/kentucky-cop-shoots-teen-driver/8441425/




Bridgeman said investigators will likely look at Brockman's injuries to see if they are consistent with being struck by a vehicle. Brockman was treated for a leg injury the morning of the shooting.

[damnedifIknow]

6. The question is why was he on the hood of her car?

From the dash cam footage it looked totally avoidable. There were plenty of other teens there to find out who she was and pick her up at another location such as her house.

[oneofthe99]

9. You will respect my authority ?

It's hard to tell from the footage
She was drunk so she might have swerved into him off camera.

I'm sure she wasn't intentionally trying to run him over but drunk drivers are not always in control of their vehicle

[JVS]

10. It's not about finding out who she is. It's about keeping drunks off the road.

It would be highly irresponsible to institute a policy of checking up on suspected drunk drivers after they get home (or cause a wreck) instead of checking when you see them.

[oneofthe99]

12. The easy solution to this is don't try to run from a sobriety check point

[JVS]

13. Yup. That would have been the smart thing to do.

And don't drink and drive. Stay in the field.

[Scootaloo]

81. I find it interesting that someone with an Al Sharpton avatar is making these posts

[damnedifIknow]

14. He has a radio

I'm sure she would have been stopped before she got too far.

[oneofthe99]

16. If she wasn't stopping then she wasn't stopping with flashing lights behind her either

Now it becomes a chase ,maybe she kills someone else

[npk]

46. SMH!!! You can't know that

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You can't know that she is not going to stop for another cop, or she is going to definitely kill someone. The cop assumed she was drunk, he didn't know that. Hell if that is all that is required to KNOW that a person is drunk or so drunk they cannot safely drive a vehicle, then we wouldn't have field sobriety tests. We would just allow cops to stop any car that left a bar late at night, let any cop stop a car that leaves a party, and just place the person under arrest, because "Well hell he/she is probably drunk." But we have things called procedures and we don't just assume ever situation is exactly like every other situation. What if this girl was not drunk, you know it is possible she wasn't drinking, or wasn't impaired. The teenager, like most teenagers, was thinking poorly, this is a direct result of seeing a cop when you think you are about to go to jail. It's entirely possible if the cop had backed off and radioed ahead that another officer may have been able to pull her over safely; happens all the time. Some people panic and then come to their senses after they realize the extent of what they are doing.

Again deescalate the situation, till the point where you can no longer back off, and then "if necessary" take the use of force up a step.

[oneofthe99]

49. All I have to go on is her actions of that night and a prior drunk driving conviction

[npk]

57. Just to add some info

There is some information coming out from witnesses, as well as the officers own statements that suggest that this car was traveling at low speed, when the officer somehow went onto the hood. Apparently the officer, after shooting the teenager, had enough time to get off the hood of the car, and the other two people in the car also had enough time to exit the vehicle, all before the car rolled down a hill and into a ditch. I am sorry I am having a hard time wrapping my head around those facts. I mean how did the officer manager to get off the car before it crashed into the ditch. I mean if the car was really such a threat that it was about to run him down, it seems that he would have gone down the hill, with the car and into the ditch.

Just doesn't add up for me. Sorry.

[oneofthe99]

60. It sure doesn't sound good for him

[npk]

66. I just want to see a thorough and fair investigation

If it can be proven that the cop acted within department regulation and indeed was about to be seriously injured or killed when he fired, then fine. But I just hate the fact that officer made such, in my mind at least, poor decision that led to the outcome of a teenager losing her life.

[JVS]

17. Oh yeah right. Because someone who won't keep still with a cop in front of them is certainly...

going to stop for some car elsewhere while cruising along at 50 mph. And this isn't recipe for a drunken car chase disaster at all.

He had her stopped, which was the safest way for it to be for him, her, and the general public. She decided to fuck up the optimal arrangement by trying to get away.

[damnedifIknow]

20. Oh I get it

We just blow away drunk drivers now. Hell with all the cop crap on the internet she was probably scared shitless to stop.

[ohnoyoudidnt]

22. Yes, it is better to kill suspects.

No slippery slope there.

[npk]

26. You have no idea whether this girl was "drunk"

Just because she was at a party or bonfire where there was drinking going on doesn't mean she was drinking; and even if she had been drinking, to assume she was drunk is quite a leap. Not everyone who leaves a gathering where alcohol is being consumed is stone cold drunk. Hell in my youth I often attended gatherings like this and never had any alcohol, but of course cops assume everyone who leave a bar is going to kill their family on the way home, so I suppose this cop has already made up his mind. It's just a shame a well trained cop could not have avoided this outcome.

[oneofthe99]

40. She had one already

Franke declined to comment on Ramsey's drunken driving conviction. Her license was suspended for 120 days in August after being convicted in Kenton County of driving drunk

Explains why she was running

[npk]

53. Yes it explains that she was running because she knew her license was suspended

and if she was stopped she was going to jail. Again, doesn't prove she was drunk. There is a thing called procedure, and going off what a person did in the past, is the very reason why officers are cautioned against doing so. You cannot just assume that because a person was drunk three months ago or six months ago or whatever, is also drunk on this night. The law doesn't work that way. And even if the officer believed she was drunk, why the hell would you chase after a vehicle on foot and get so close to the vehicle that you put yourself in danger of being run over. The officer is lucky he wasn't killed. Still doesn't excuse the fact he got in front of the car, or at the very least so close to the car that he had no other choice but to jump on the hood, or go onto the hood as a result of the car now coming toward you. What about the danger to the other people in that car, does their safety matter.

BTW, i did a little follow on this case, and found out that the car was traveling so slow, that after the cop opened fire, the other two men in the vehicle had enough time to get out of the car and the cop had enough time to get off the hood, all of this before the car rolled down a hill and into a ditch. I guess we will never know what really happened, but I did find those little details very interesting.

[oneofthe99]

58. You want to say she wasn't drinking that's fine , if she was this is what she was facing

which to me shows why she tried to run away



Second Offense Within a Five Year Period
•$350-500 Fine
•7 Days - 6 Months in Jail*
•1 Year of Alcohol or Substance Abuse Treatment
•12 to 18 Month License Suspension
•10 Days-6 Months Community Labor



I'm not defending the cop , if he did this intentionally he should be charged
but I want to see this investigation done before making a decision.

[TexasProgresive]

83. Well lets carry the out to this conclusion

I use to work the midnight shift and experienced a lot of drunk drivers. Most drive too slow and tend not to go when red lights turn green. I am not saying they are save, we lost a beloved friend to a drunk driver. Anyway if i had a CCL should I take preemptive action for the protection of society and just shoot these miscreants. Sort of a self-defense action. While I'm at it probably the texters while driving should be on the list and the burrito munching, make up applying drivers.

This cop lost control of the situation and killed a young woman. He should be suspended with pay pending investigation by an unbiased review board and if terminated indicted on a criminal charge. Her parents should also be able to litigate. Lots of kids die as a result of these "pasture" parties. We've had a few cases locally. The cops have broken up some when they get word of it but none of the deaths came from a policeman's gun.

[Lancero]

24. Hindsight's 20/20

[seabeyond]

47. we see the point he was at side of car, and she was moving forward slowly. he had time to jump on

the hood, from the side of the car. that is an intent to stop, with the willingness to shoot to kill.

[npk]

21. Except for the tinny little fact that the car didn't drive toward him

The car was clearly trying to drive around and away from the officer. Anyone can clearly see that in the video. The officer made the decision to put himself in the path of the moving 12 gauge shotgun, not the other way around.

[oneofthe99]

29. There are no tinny little facts like you say because it's off camera

You say she'sclearly trying to drive around him.

If she swerved towards him he could have a reason to jump on the hood.
A car doesn't have to be going head on toward you , if he ran on the side and instead of her turning her wheel right she turned it left in a panic she might have sideswiped him

Lets see what the investigation brings out

[npk]

32. The officer used poor judgement, really poor judgement

When the video starts we see the officer approaching a car that is already in motion. The officer says something to the driver, and the driver keeps driving forward. You can clearly see the driver is trying to flee, which as I said early is a crime. The officer starts to chase after the car, and both the car and the officer go out of view of the camera. What ever happens from here on out is a direct result of the OFFICER putting himself in danger. It was dumb and foolish to get so close to a moving vehicle, and the officer should have known that. Yes the teenager driving was also acting dumb and foolish, but we expect that from a teenager. We expect an officer, who is an adult, to exercise better judgement. And many judges and courts will not consider it self defense for a person or cop who puts himself in danger and then uses that as an excuse to use deadly force. Officers are supposed to be trained to deescalate a situation, not the other way around.

[oneofthe99]

35. He can legally chase the car and try to grab the wheel to stop it from fleeing

He can legally try to grab the driver from the open window.
What he shouldn't do is try to jump in front of the fleeing car .

I don't know if he did that , I'm guessing the investigation and all the witness testimony will come out

[damnedifIknow]

38. From the justice for Samantha Ramsey FB page

[seabeyond]

50. that is what it looks like. she was moving slowly. he was on side of car. he had to jump on hood

from side of car, meaning she is still going really slow. pulled gun and shot.

it is crazy.

[AnalystInParadise]

52. I haven't seen enough evidence to decide either way

What I do know is that hearsay from a Facebook page should not be considered evidence of either claim.

[damnedifIknow]

56. Right but I'd be checking it out

Seems like this guy has been talking to people in the know. I don't know.

[AnalystInParadise]

59. Or he could be a guy with an axe to grind

I am all for sending the cop away for a long, long time if it is prove he acted recklessly. But as an analyst, I would rate Facebook as not a viable source.

[Politicalboi]

65. Why would any sane person jump on a moving vehicle?

I would never jump on a moving car. Shoot the tires out if you have too or can. He was close enough to do that. And why didn't he have help. They knew they would be dealing with crazy drunk kids. One cop is not the way to fish like this asshole was doing.

[dionysus]

77. fyi shooting out tires is movie shit, not as easy as it sounds. jumping on the hood of the car was

even dumber.

the car was past him before it left the dashcam footage. unless something crazy happened off camera, which I doubt, dude is fucked (rightfully so).

[Ed Suspicious]

104. I don't get this. Shooting tires: Herculean effort and near impossibility.

Surfing on hood of moving car putting four bullets into occupied vehicle and one into driver. Totes reasonable. Cop apologists are nuts.

Not you, I said you as a generalized thing, but on read back it looked like I was calling you out unnecessarily.

[dionysus]

105. i clearly stated the cop was dumber than the kid, and is therefore rightfully fucked by murdering

someone.

did you even read my post?

fyi shooting out tires is movie shit, not as easy as it sounds. jumping on the hood of the car was even dumber.

the car was past him before it left the dashcam footage. unless something crazy happened off camera, which I doubt, dude is fucked (rightfully so).

[Ed Suspicious]

106. You're fast. Check the edit. Sorry.

[dionysus]

107. no problem... i just happened to check DU before i started my next episode of a TV show...

[Open_n_Shut]

89. How did he end up on the hood?

[phil89]

7. Always wonder what these cops think at night

after they have killed a dog, killed a person in an easily avoidable circumstance, etc. Why would they continue with their job after something like that? Truly disgusting people. If you can put on a badge and gun after shooting a girl to death, there is something dreadfully wrong with you. He RAN beside the car, put himself in harm's way...unbelievable.

[Brickbat]

18. Sounds like that "field party" was a fucking mess with all sorts of drunk kids trying to

stumble or drive home.

[oneofthe99]

30. I wouldn't want to be driving on that road coming home from work

Glad the cops were there

[defacto7]

55. You're not much for civil rights are you?

Cops who are judge and executioner... and cowardly... should shoot to kill because you "might" have been there? Because someone "might" have been driving home from work?

Actually, maybe you should never drive home from work at all because a cop "might" accidentally shoot you while shooting at someone else.

[oneofthe99]

64. good one

My post is here --- / Your response ---------------------------------------------------------------Somewhere over here---->

[defacto7]

69. You know, after reading your posts again

I may be wrong. Some of your posts can be read 2 different ways.

I'll leave mine up either for self-ridicule for not understanding your viewpoint.. or not???

[oneofthe99]

71. I'm no cop defender

in fact not even close..

[defacto7]

74. Okokokokok

Then I'll apply self-flagellation.



Sorry for not getting it.

[oneofthe99]

75. lol

[Ed Suspicious]

108. Yay cops. If they weren't there someone might have gotten hurt, or worse

ended up dead. Good thing the cops were . . . Wait a minute!

[npk]

36. A cop cannot assume everyone leaving the field party was drunk

There were better ways this cop could have handled the situation, saying nothing that the officer put himself in a situation where he could have been killed. Officers are trained to deescalate situations like this, not make them worse; which is what this officer decided he was going to do.

[jollyreaper2112]

34. I really dislike cops

But I also dislike drunken idiots.

I can't tell what the story is. That they tried to flee from the cops instead of accepting the arrest tells me they were dangerously drunk. While I am not a fan of the idea of shooting them dead, I would prefer that to the case of them living through a head-on crash killing a family of four. But I'm also familiar with the too common story of trigger-happy cops just waiting to kill people. Don't care for that either.

Don't do X or you'll be shot by the cops is a terrible lesson. Then again, if you weren't doing stupid shit, you wouldn't be killed over stupid shit. If we had proper mass transit like a civilized country this wouldn't even be an issue.

[struggle4progress]

42. Link to the deputy's statement:

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/crime/2014/05/01/read-boone-county-deputy-statement/8559121/

[struggle4progress]

43. KSP Denies Request To Investigate Deadly Boone County Shooting Involving Deputy

... Boone County Sheriff Michael A. Helmig said Thursday that KSP will not investigate the case citing policy and current protocol. However, Helmig said Commissioner Rodney Brewer offered to "provide any support for your investigation including but not limited to use of our LEICA forensic scanner, expediting lab requests and any other technical or investigative assistance you need" ...

Deputies say Ramsey hit Brockman with her car, throwing him onto the hood, and that's when he fired shots.

Other witnesses say the deputy jumped on the hood and started shooting through the windshield.

Sheriff Helmig had originally launched his own investigation reasoning the Boone County Sheriff's Office has the resources to conduct a full and impartial investigation no matter who is involved. Since that decision, officials said there had been questions concerning the appearance of impropriety ...

http://www.lex18.com/news/ksp-denies-request-to-investigate-deadly-boone-county-shooting-involving-deputy

[The Straight Story]

45. Maybe we should take guns away from cops (nt)

[Harmony Blue]

51. Don't trust cops and expect to see more of this at toll booths

where they are security guards.

[dionysus]

110. in the northeast, you *might* see a state trooper vehicle near a toll booth. the toll booths are not

manned by the damned Stasi...

[lostincalifornia]

54. I am not going to look at the video, but why didn't he let her drive away, a get her later. He had

the license number I would hope. Something is terribly wrong with police training it seems

Another thing is high speed police chases. There is absolutely no justification for it. It endangers the public for something that can be handled in a more controlled way

[Hippo_Tron]

73. A high speed chase is maybe justified if they're in pursuit of a serial killer or a kidnapper

But otherwise it's just fucking ridiculous.

[Recursion]

80. Do serial killers or drunk drivers kill more people in an average year?

Or for that matter, in any year ever?

[muriel_volestrangler]

86. A drunk driver in a high speed chase is even more likely to kill someone

They're dangerous when in a car, and the faster it's going, the more dangerous it is. In that case, once you've got the license plate, you can back off, and arrest them later. Serial killers or kidnappers pose a danger once out of the car, so catching them as quickly as possible is an advantage.

[Go Vols]

61. This is way fucked up

[Bonx]

62. Dashcam says: "I will mount your hood like a Falcon! If you don't stop, I will execute you. Done."

[Scootaloo]

82. Yup. He had to have made a conscious choice to toss himself at a moving vehicle there

All these people saying "YOU DON'T KNOW, IT WAS OFF CAMERA!" clearly don't know how a fucking car works.

[Harmony Blue]

63. Never attract the attention of a cop

one small mistake and your life may be over.

[linuxman]

68. Well...

Seems this all could have been avoided.

Don't drink and drive.

Don't do anything that could even possibly be construed as trying to hit a cop with your car.

Two life lessons I've followed for over 25 years.

So far, so good.

[Go Vols]

70. Bless your heart

[defacto7]

76. I'm glad you got that one figured out!

I think smart people should live.

[GReedDiamond]

72. The reason cops keep getting away with murder is...

...they have always gotten away with murder.

We'll see what happens in this particular case...

[TorchTheWitch]

84. seems to me most everyone here already decided

She tried to run from the check point. She hit the cop's leg for which he was hospitalized. She already had her driver's license suspended for 120 days for drunk driving months previously and was under age and at a drinking party. Whether he fell on the hood of the car after she hit him or he leapt onto the hood to try avoiding being run over either or is justifiable. A car is a weapon when used to hit someone and try to accelerate away especially when after you hit them they're stuck on your hood.

The officer already also has said that he was not only afraid for himself but for the other people on the road she could easily have hit in her desperation to get away. Everyone seemed to be leaving the party at that time with people driving and also on foot. The police radio traffic also confirms that just following his announcement of shots being fired he asked for back up and said he'd just been hit by a car.

Also, just before she came upon the officer that tried to flag her over he had already flagged over the car ahead of her where the driver was peacefully let go.

With those facts so far, it seems far more reasonable to believe that she decided to run from the check point so she wouldn't be charged again for drunk driving, hit the officer in the leg and tried to keep going with him hanging onto the hood of the car. But this is cop hating DU where every incident MUST be unjustifiable regardless of the facts.

[MO_Moderate]

91. I love the smell of common sense in the morning

[Nevernose]

96. The passengers tell a different story

As does the video. This blog post sums up the questions that remain better than I could. And I, for one, have learned to never, ever believe the official police story the first time through. Frankly, I find it amazing that anyone left in America would believe the official police story about anything at this point.

http://noisyroom.net/blog/2014/04/30/the-incomplete-anatomy-of-a-police-shooting-samantha-ramsey-did-not-have-to-be-killed-for-trying-to-drive-away/

[TorchTheWitch]

98. the video doesn't show what happened

Obviously all that took place off camera.

As for the passengers, I can see why they wouldn't have seen her hit him since that took place outside the car where they had no vantage point and they were also drunk. They wouldn't have been able to tell if he fell onto the hood or leapt onto it, and as I said, either is justifiable. Being that they were her friends I can also see why they would have motive to not be so forthcoming. One thing I'd like to know from them is if they tried to get her to stop when she decided to flee the police or did they also want her to flee from them? Or did she even try to flee because they encouraged her to? They already obviously didn't care that she was driving drunk and so much so they put their own lives as risk be getting in the car with her at the wheel as well as drinking under age themselves and lying to their parents about what they were doing that night. Pardon me for not being so trustful about selfish kids that break the law and don't care about who might be in their drunken path and not even for their own selves by getting into a car with someone that was driving drunk and had been caught for it before.

The officer had leg injuries which he was hospitalized for. That should tell anyone that he was indeed struck by the car. I've noticed how judiciously people here have been ignoring his injuries.

I'll trust the official police story FAR more than anyone on DU that has an unreasonable hatred of all cops and falls all over themselves at every opportunity to try to make any story appear as entirely the fault of the officer regardless of the facts.

Unlike the biased cop hating brigade here I take every case on its merits. You might have noticed that I'm pissed off at that cop that abused his police dog on camera, but not so stupid to believe that just because he did that every other K9 officer must be doing the same. I don't have any ridiculous bias about cops or people with guns or whatever and take every case on its merits yet that just pisses off biased people no end so much so that they even try to argue with their bias as you're doing here because any common sense in the way of their bias is just intolerable.

I have zero sympathy for anyone that uses their car as a weapon with no regard for anyone in their way when they're so selfishly trying to run from the police because they were drinking under age and driving especially when they'd already had their license suspended before for drunk driving.

[damnedifIknow]

100. Wrong

Way wrong.

[TorchTheWitch]

103. If you can't even bother backing that up

than you don't have anything to back it up with. I also notice you didn't even bother pointing out WHAT you believe is wrong.

[morningfog]

85. What a waste. Fucking cop murdered her.

[RandoLoodie]

87. There are no good cops and they are ALL evil

The so-called "good cops" are guilty by association because of their "brotherhood" with bad cops and their "no snitching" code that is identical to the same "no snitch" code espoused by gangs, 1%er MCs, and the Mafia.

What's fucked up about cops is that they want YOU to snitch, but then they give you shit for being a snitch.

[pnwest]

88. How different would this conversation be, if

he had just let her drive away, got her license plate number in order to get her later, and she ended up plowing into another car, killing several people?

Would he be a bad cop then, too?

I'm no cop apologist, either. But outrage is not automatically my default position. If a cop let a drunk person leave the scene, and that drunk person killed my family, I'd sue every motherfucker in sight. And any one of you would, too.

It is a horrible tragedy this child died. Equally so if she had died while killing other people because she didn't want to get caught partying underage.

She might have made it home safely, and been lucky enough to sleep it off and go on living. But then again, she might not have.

Go ahead - flame away...

[damnedifIknow]

93. More info

We saw three cars, so we thought we could go past," said Bobby Turner, who was the backseat passenger behind Ramsey when she was shot. "The officer was talking to somebody else. We was listening to music in the car. We didn't know the police was talking to us. I didn't hear him. I just saw him jump on the hood and start shooting. I didn't see him withdraw his gun, that's how quick it was."

From his perspective across the street, Josh Pitts of Covington said it appeared the deputy leapt onto the vehicle.

"As she was trying to make a turn and leave the party, he jumped on the car and pulled his gun out and shot four times through the window and hit the girl," he said, adding that he believes Ramsey might have panicked during the confrontation."

http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/boone-county/family-friends-gather-to-mourn-northern-kentucky-woman-shot-killed-by-boone-county-deputy

So according to numerous witnesses the cop lied about being hit. He jumped on the hood of her car and shot through the windshield four times.

[damnedifIknow]

99. Yet another witness

Chelsey Pendleton, 20, was in the back seat of Ramsey's car.

She told the Cincinnati Enquirer Brockman wasn't hit; he leapt onto the car and opened fire.

"The cop was in the wrong. I was there. I was in the back seat," she said. "That was unnecessary force. He had no right to do that."

Pendleton also said Brockman shot first, striking Ramsey and causing her to speed up."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/kentucky-community-outraged-19-year-old-shot-deputy-field-gathering-article-1.1771525

[Ed Suspicious]

109. I will never hold a cop responsible for failing to jump on the hood of a moving car,

and firing four rounds into the occupied vehicle killing the teenaged driver. Nope. Not at all. If he never in his career for any reason does that no matter what the outcome, he is absolved of responsibility in my mind.

[Iggo]

92. Yay, Cops!

They're the best!

[phil89]

95. Well they sure put a stop to that menacing "drinking party".

How horrible it must have been.

[Iggo]

97. Fuckers.

[Taitertots]

101. Based on the video, it is impossible that he got on their hood without jumping onto it

America:
Where you are subject to suspictionless searches.
The police will jump onto the hood of your car so they can use it as an excuse to murder you.
Afterward the police will investigate themselves to determine if diving onto the hood of the car and murdering the driver was appropriate.

[Half-Century Man]

102. Why, in complete disregard of anything I have ever witnessed, was He alone?

How could he have expected anything other than the results he got?

Road side field sobriety tests are a team effort. Events with multiple officers, coned off lanes and multiple patrol cars. If he suspected multiple drunk drivers, why didn't he block off the access road and call for backup?

[ecstatic]

111. Judge, jury, executioner

This nation won't be around for much longer if we don't sit down and make some tough decisions about guns and our police officers (among other things). I don't know what type of psych testing is done on these cops, but clearly, they need to go back to the drawing board.

[emsimon33]

112. I agree! The police have gotten out of hand!

They seem to think they are in Iraq or Afghanistan and we are the Taliban.